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Buffalo Plus LIVE: WHO are the BILLS?! Can JOSH ALLEN and the OFFENSE get back on track?!
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A
And you're saying, well, the passing offense is. It's no real different than last year. Look at Josh Allen's stats last year. He didn't throw for 4,000 yards for the first time in four years. He had a lower completion percentage because of the wide receivers. The offense last year seems to me now, looking back, was hiding their flaws.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because they were always ahead and they never turned the ball over.
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C
And last year, what was the narrative around Josh Allen winning the NFL mvp? Josh was able to do more with less.
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B
This is the Buffalo plus podcast.
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C
Hello and welcome to Buffalo plus Live. Thank you all for being here. We're here at McGregor's on the west side. Shout out, McGregor. Shout out, Bud Light. Shout out at you all for being here and tuning in to Buffalo plus Live. We love it. Thank you guys so much. All right.
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A
Awesome.
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B
Oh, there's a. Oh, my God.
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C
Jenna, there's a big fat head of you.
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B
The fat heads are out. Oh, my God.
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A
That's just a normal size head of.
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C
Say, there's cat. You can put mine down.
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B
Don't worry.
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C
That thing is maybe getting tossed at the end of the game.
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B
Fantastic.
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C
All right, thank you.
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A
We burned those.
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C
Thank you all for being here. It means a lot. We're having a lot of fun here tonight. We're going to talk the Bills, where they're at right now, a little bit of the Joe. I'll get there. Get there, Joe Brown. Okay. Please be sure to, like, comment and subscribe if you have not tonight, we're getting into where the Bills are at. A little bit about the offense. The Joe Brady conversation about a diva on this roster, what that would do, what a diva would mean, a little bit about the Bucks as well. But we're going to have a lot of fun. And, Mike, we got to start with just where this team is at. Tough loss against the Dolphins, a bad loss, an ugly loss. Now they're taking on the Bucks on Sunday.
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B
Yeah, I think they're at a bit of a crossroads right now. I mean, look, you play like you played against the Dolphins in a game. You can say what you want about the Dolphins and they're a losing team. Doesn't matter. They're a division team. You needed that win. They played like a team. I won't say they didn't care because that's not fair to the players, but did not put in the effort that they needed to take care of business. That's a take care of business game. Beat the Dolphins. They didn't do it. They need to get back to who they are and win games, not worry about anything else. We're going to talk about where they are in the division, can talk about the playoffs. It's just past the halfway point. This is a crossroads over the next week because they play Sunday and then they play again on Thursday in Houston. They got to show who they can be over the rest of the season.
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A
My question to you, Mike, is who are they?
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B
Who, who, who, like you said there.
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A
And say, get back to who they are.
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C
Ooh, that's an interesting question.
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B
So here's who they are. Most of the time, they have been below the standard that the Bills have set. Right. They lost three games. They had three other wins that were sweat them out, and then they had three wins against good, you know, good opponents, and they got the victories. Not enough play at the level they need to be at. So I guess we're going to find out, right? They're six and three, but I don't know if you can sit there and say they should be seven and two or eight and one or nine, zero. I think six and three, they belong. Yeah.
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A
Credit to me for not interrupting. I tried to do it, like, four different times, but we are three minutes.
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C
Into the podcast and Dan is taking credit on the back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And some comments, some comments that are coming in if you're not here at McGregor's awesome venue here, but you can comment in on the YouTube channel. Isabella Larufa says, I'm coaching cheer while listening to this. Wow, that's dedication.
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B
I appreciate that.
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C
And then Cake horn said, raise Dan's mic so we can all hear loud and clear how pumped he is for Gabe.
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A
Okay, so I have. We have done now. The Buffalo plus tour has. Has rolled on to a bunch of different venues. And it has been so amazing to meet so many fans that, you know, subscribers of the channel. The number one person that people ask me is. So Gabe's back.
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B
So.
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A
So your thoughts on Gabe. And I have tried to stay quiet because I have said all that.
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B
I think you have tried to stay quiet.
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A
When did you ever try to stay quiet on game? I have said all. He hasn't played. There's a reason.
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B
Thank you.
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A
There's clapping back there.
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B
That's it.
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C
They're clapping it for us. This is.
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A
This is what's frustrating about this team is that when you're trying to say, like, I do think so much of it, and we always, like, dissect the opponent, but it really is much, much, much more about the Bills, like, playing who they are, it shouldn't be whether it's the Dolphins or the Chiefs, if they play their game and run the ball effectively, don't turn it over. Josh is good. Like they are a team that still absolutely can be playing in the Super Bowl. The problem is, is that when teams take what they want to do away. We saw it in New England, you saw it in Atlanta, you saw it in Miami. They don't seem to have that counterpunch that way to pivot to still be successful. That is my biggest concern. When you say who are they? It's okay. Who are they? When they have to adjust in the middle of a game to handle a defense.
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C
No, that's very fair. This team we've seen has been very one dimensional and that's. I think what is really hurt them throughout the season is that when the running game isn't working, it really looks like this Bill's offense just struggles to make anything work through the passing game. And we can, we can talk all about the offense and where they're at, but I do think this is a pivotal game this week, which is funny. We think about it, it's like, oh, NFC opponent. The Bills don't see a lot, but this is a very important win because. Or a game because the Bills need as many wins as possible.
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B
No question. It is a fight to make the playoffs. And then you worry about how high you can be. Could you win the division? Sure. Could you get a top seed? Sure. But the idea is, can you, can you make the playoffs? That is their goal. So in order to do that, you got to pile up wins and then you have to see where it falls out at that point. I think it's a level, if we're going to say this, it's a level of desperation. It's not like if they lose this game, they're done, they're out. But they better win the game. You just gave one away.
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A
But they should play like that.
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B
You're right. They should have a mindset in this week. Yes, we, we have to win this week to get back to get to. I mean, if you think about it, we can complain all we want about the way they've played, but if they win on Sunday, they go down to Houston with a 73 record. Yeah, that puts you in a good spot. Not great, but good. So that's where I think it's a big tipping point between being, you know, 6 and 4 or 7 and 3. I think is a. Obviously it's a difference, but I think it's a major difference.
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C
The difference between that Feels pretty substantial.
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B
Especially with Houston coming up three days later.
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C
Yeah, no, it's true.
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A
It's funny, when I talk to people before the event, it was awesome. Meet and greet we do from five to seven, and then, you know, if you haven't been to one of our bars, Buffalo plus tour stops, we still got some coming up. But I asked people, like, how they feel about this Sunday, and it's similar to what it was like before the Chiefs game. Like, it's that, like, nervous, like, energy. Like, well, I don't feel as good as I did against going into the Miami game. And then the same people say, well, it was nine days ago that they looked great against Kansas City.
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B
Right.
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A
That's where I struggle to kind of wrap my head around what this team is, who they are, what their identity is. And, Mike, you've Now asked Sean McDermott two times in the last three weeks, what is your identity on offense? The one time he said, I don't know. And then the next time he said, I think we're figuring it out. This is. We're in the middle of November, week 11. Like, this isn't, you know, October 10th, where you're going, oh, they can still got time to figure it out. Like, that's where I do want that sense of urgency, that sense of desperation of what is this team and who are they going to be moving forward?
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B
So this is what I would say about their identity. A year ago, they played the way they wanted to play. And Sean has said to us, when they lost the game to The Patriots, Sean McDermott said, we played the game the Patriots wanted us to play. They turned the ball over. They were sloppy. They didn't tackle well on defense. A year ago, they won a lot of games. Josh won the MVP because the Bills played the game they wanted to play. And that game was run the ball effectively, pass to the different players and do not turn the football over. Now, that's a great way to play. But you know what else is great? When that's not working, you have another gear. And we've talked a lot about this right now, they don't have another gear. They don't have a passing game they can count on. And they are so desperate to play a clean game where they don't turn it over. This is where I get to put the numbers out there. They have played nine games. In three of them, they have turned the ball over two or more times. Fumbles, interceptions, whatever it is, in those three games, they've turned the ball over more than twice. They are oh, and three and are scoring 15 points a game. Is that bad? That's bad. In the six games, they did not turn it over more than one time, and in four of those, they didn't turn it over at all. They are 60 and have scored 33 points a game now. That's great if you can play that way every game. They did it most of the games last year, and it's great. It's hard to do that week in and week out. And they've already paid for it this year.
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C
Dan, I'll let you take the floor.
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A
Oh, Mike says, when you can play that game, it's great. It's like, well, my grandma had wheels. She'd be a bicycle. Like, you can't always do this.
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B
That is the cleanest version of that I've ever heard.
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A
Yeah, so I thought you knew that's where I was going. I thought that's why you said, well.
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B
You might have gone to the other one, knowing you. So.
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A
Yeah, so. But my point is, is when people ask, like, what's wrong with the offense? How can he get back on track? I see. This is the same offense as last year, and we kind of talked about that earlier today, where I said, last year, the Bills offense, their game plan, they never trailed in games. They were always ahead. So they never had to, as Joe Brady said, have to throw the ball. So it covered up what this everybody eats was by saying, well, we didn't have to throw the ball. They ran the ball effectively. They never trailed. They didn't turn the ball over. They had eight turnovers all of last year. That was the fewest in the NFL by far. They had a plus 24 turnover differential, which was the best turnover differential in the NFL. So since 2012, we said on the podcast, I go, I will bet my student loans that the Bills will turn the ball over more than eight times this year. Then. So they got.
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B
Who are you betting your student loans with?
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A
Any. Any sports book that would have taken it. But my point is, is that last year their identity was the same. It just. Nothing was exposed. Right. This year, they've trailed in games. They've trailed in New England, they trailed in Baltimore, although they came back. They trailed in Atlanta, they trailed in Miami. So they've had to throw the ball, which has exposed them to not having good passing offense. And you're saying, well, the passing offense is. It's no real different than last year. Look at Josh Allen's stats. Last year, he didn't throw for 4,000 yards for the first time. In four years, he had a lower completion percentage because of the wide receivers, and they're not getting the luck of the turnovers. Ray Davis had the fumble. I think it was in the playoff game. He's running into the open field. The ball gets knocked out, and it bounces right back up into him. That's luck. They're not getting any of that luck this year. And all these things are being exposed. So where you're like, but the offense last year was this. The offense last year, seems to me now looking back, was hitting. Was hiding their flaws.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because they were always ahead and they never turned the ball over. Now when they're trailing and they're turning the ball over because of luck, I mean, how often does Josh Allen fumble on the qb? The QB tush push. He's running down the field and then he fumbles it. Those things happen. That's football.
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C
Yeah.
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A
They kept on hockey. It's puck luck. Like, that's what's happening now. But it doesn't mean that their wide receivers were the same as last year.
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C
And last year, what was the narrative around Josh Allen winning the NFL mvp? Josh was able to do more with less. And this year, rolling into the season, it was another season of, okay, Josh, good luck. You got to be perfect. All these things got to go your way for this team to be able to create the offensive expl. Explosion that we saw last season. And also, though, Mike, we talk about turnovers, that has been something that last year, you're right. Incredibly lucky. But that has kind of sprout up the season in a way that I was not expecting going into this year.
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B
You mean how many they've had?
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C
How many they have had?
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B
I think it comes out of desperation. When you're watching that game Sunday, you see they're struggling. They're struggling. James Cook gets free. It looks great because James Cook rarely. He hadn't fumbled since 23.
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A
Yep.
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B
Fumbles the ball. Josh to the point Jenna's making. He busts through the line trying to get, you know, farther. Guy knocks the ball out. He takes a chance in the end zone that he knows he shouldn't, and they turn the ball over. I think when you're pressing, it comes. The turnovers will happen. I really do think that's the case. And to Dan's point, that they were in the lead most of the time last year so they could play a little smarter and didn't, and it just led to less turnover.
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C
Well, they were the ones setting the tone.
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B
Yes.
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C
As opposed to being the one that Were taking the counter punches. Set up. What you.
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A
Well, I asked Josh. I talked to Josh Allen this week.
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B
No, he talked to Josh Allen.
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A
Yeah. Hey, Jenna talked to Josh Allen as well.
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C
I did, yeah. I asked him about Lake Tahoe.
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B
So, yeah, it's true.
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A
Well, a little different in Hardman.
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C
Oh, yeah.
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A
And, yeah, but the point is, too, because there are some comments coming in like, this is coaching. This is coaching. And yes, part of this problem, the inefficiencies does fall on Joe Brady. It also falls on Brandon Bean for the wide receivers in this roster. And part of it is on Josh Allen.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. I think that's fair.
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A
I know at times it feels unfair or like, you can't criticize Josh. Josh, when there are times when he sounds. He takes the blame, when there's no need for him to take the blame, and he says it's on me.
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B
Like, every game they lose, he says it's on him.
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A
Correct. But some of these things are his fault. Like, he hasn't been great. Like, that's part of it. I asked Josh this week about. He has always said when they've gone through struggles before. I remember talking to Josh a few years ago, and he would say, talk to Josh. Talk to him a few years ago, too. Like, he would say, shooter, shoot. Like, Steph Curry keeps shooting even if he misses threes. And like, I always thought that was cool attitude to have. I'm gonna keep ripping it. Like, I'm gonna keep trying. And I said, okay, so you've thought that in the past, but now you're always. Now everybody's talking about the turnovers again. So how do you balance, keep shooting while also knowing I can't press. And he said that you go back and you trust the plays and you trust your teammates. And he goes, we've been in these spots before and we've gotten out of it. And he goes, I actually think we've been in worse spots before, which is fair. And found their way out of it, which is true. They have struggled. And they got hot at the end of the year a few years ago when they were 6 and 6. And so part of that is true. But you'll see, like, I think we talked about it mainly after the Atlanta game when the passing offense really felt broken. Mike and I said, josh doesn't trust anything. And you're seeing that. Like, he. He's waiting and waiting and waiting for guys to get open, and there'll be screenshots, and you'll say, people will. On social media. Well, Keon was open Here. He should have thrown it here. But Josh doesn't trust that Josh will throw before Dalton Kincaid turns his head. Because he trusts Dalton Kincaid and Keon can be three steps open and he doesn't trust it. So part of that is the problem, that. Yes. Part of that's on Josh. Part of it's just on his faith and trust in those guys around him.
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B
Jenna, there's a couple other things too. Right now, the way the Bills are playing and how many years did everybody wait for the Bills to get a guy like Josh Allen?
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C
A long time.
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B
All those years. All those times when he thought.
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C
And you were there, right?
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B
Yes, I was there for all of them. Well, I talked to Jim Kelly, but I would say this like you waited for Josh. Right? And now you got Josh Allen. And let me tell you this. Defenses in the NFL are not stupid. They watch what everybody's doing. And right now, teams are trying to take away James Cook in the run game from the Bills. Insane. Forcing Josh Allen to throw the ball. That tells you where their pass game is right now. And there's some things you can do to change that. Yes. You cannot change all the players. We'll talk about the wide receivers. One of the things they do, they do like to try to establish the run like we talk about. If you can run the ball well, they feel like that helps them at all. They run the ball. How many times are you watching the game and it's first down and you'll look at whoever you're watching the game with them go, they're going to hand off, they're going to run the ball.
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A
Nobody runs the ball in the NFL more than the Buffalo Bills on first down.
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B
They are 32nd in passes on first down. There's 32 teams in the league. Yeah. So they run it on first down more than anybody.
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A
Talk about predictability and being two dimensional. They're not two dimensional on first down.
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B
And Jenna, I'm not saying you good.
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Interruption have to powered through it.
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B
I'm not saying you have to throw the ball. I'm saying is I think that would help Josh Allen out if they have the other team not, you know, feel like they know what they're going to do.
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C
Well, keeping another team's defense on their toes would probably help out Josh Allen.
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B
Right.
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C
And the Bills offense. But because being so predictable has limited, you know, I mean, you talk about the passing game and, and where this team is at and like the opposing players that are not really afraid of the Bills receivers, but just having a different option on first Down, I think could just open things up a little bit more because it just feels like you know exactly what the Bills are going to do.
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A
The Bills offensive game plan, like when you sit there and go, this is what we're going to do today feels very much like teams like the Tennessee Titans, like the New York jets, like these bad teams because they say we're going to run the ball, we're not going to turn it over and we're going to try and play good defense. That's fine for teams that are underdogs and that are not good teams. Not when you have Josh Bleep and Allen as your quarterback. They try. They're playing like a mindset that they're Iowa football. No offense to Hawkeye fans, but it's a boring style of game. And when you have Josh Allen, it's mind blowing that that's the style they're playing.
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C
Like Virginia basketball.
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B
Exactly. Yeah. Oh, don't get Dan going on Virginia basketball.
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A
And if, you know, you know.
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B
Dan once criticized Virginia basketball online and I thought the whole Internet was going to collapse. They come back.
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A
Good old days of social media. Hard. I still have DM saved mean things that about my family because I criticized that. I said Virginia basketball was bad for the sport because they were so boring.
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C
You say everything with your chest and I really do.
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B
You don't want to tell them your best one, do you?
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A
What's my best one? I may have said Showetani was a bust back in 2018. At the time, I was right.
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C
Shohei Otani.
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B
Yeah, he's maybe the greatest.
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C
I heard he's pretty good, so there's that. Okay, let's get into it though, because I think a Joe Brady conversation is necessary because I understand fans are feeling frustrated. Is it the personnel that's wrong? Is it Josh? Is it? What is it? And how much of this is on Joe Brady. To give Josh some easy options throughout.
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B
The game, I think he's got to adjust, you know, to, to the point we're making is they have shown to be predictable. They have not moved the ball effectively and they have not thrown the ball when they need to throw it. Now he can't magically. Joe Brady can't magically create an offense with high end wide receivers. If they would have made the trade for Jalen Waddle, I think Joe Brady would automatically become a smarter offensive coordinator. Right. So sad thing, because that's the kind of player that they have needed. So. But if you're Joe Brady, you do have to try to, you know, it's tough to constantly scheme up ways to get guys open. It's nice to have players who have that skill set and I do think it's lacking in this offense, but that doesn't mean he can't do things better. Where I'm tired. Everybody loves Khalil Shakir. I don't want to see nine bubble screens in the same game. I don't want to see, you know, jet sweeps to other wide receivers.
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C
Can we retire the jet squeak?
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B
Well, you can. You can do it. You just shouldn't.
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A
Oh, is it my turn?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
This. You sit there and say it shouldn't be on the offensive coordinator to scheme up everything. I.
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B
Everything.
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A
Correct. I agree. But there need to be more easy passes for Josh where he doesn't have to think and doesn't have to put on the cape for a four yard completion.
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B
He might have to put on the cape for the next few weeks.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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A
And that's, that's where I've always been a fan of like Joe Brady, keeping things simple. And like they're not afraid to run the same running play four or five times in a row. And when it's working, that's fine. But this stubbornness and this lack of ability to adjust because they talked about the Miami game, that the Miami came out in a front that they weren't expecting and they, the Dolphins can't stop the run. Statistically, they've been one of the worst rushing defenses in the league. But they sold out putting nine guys in the box and were daring Josh to throw and they didn't have anything to pivot to. Like, the Bills have been really good with this. Thirteen personnel, two big tight ends, sometimes three tight ends. Reggie Gilliam, the fullback, having bigger human beings on the field than the defense. But you can't be in that formation on third and 10 or second and 13. So what else are you going to do to get off of that? That's where Joe Brady's got to be a little bit more creative in the sense of, I don't want trick plays.
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B
Hand up.
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A
Don't want trick plays.
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B
They don't work for the Bills.
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A
But I want some more creativity with this offense that has just felt very stale.
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C
Well, we talk so much about calling plays, Mike, and then calling a game and how really different that is because calling plays, you can call a couple nice plays and that'll work out. But calling within a game when you're feeling pressure from an opposing team's defense, when they're loading the box, how do you Kind of have sustained, sustained success. And that has been an issue throughout this team this year especially. I mean, look, that 3013 loss of the Dolphins was brutal. But you saw on display how the bills. 3 and out 3 and out 3 now, they couldn't get any continuity. It felt like going.
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B
I think if people look back at the Kansas City game. Right. Well, ideally, that's how the Bills want to play.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Right. They got the lead. They ran it well.
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A
Yeah, it'd be great.
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B
Well, it's how they want to play. That was only, what, nine days ago.
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C
Which isn't 10 days ago.
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B
Right.
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C
That was nine.
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B
But they played their game, and that was effective. And I guess if you could do that in every game, you would attempt to do it because they really did control the game. But to Jenna's point, saying about calling games and calling plays, you can say, I want to have this. I want to throw the ball deep. Why don't they just throw it deep? Well, a lot of times that play is set up by something you did earlier in the game where you use a similar formation. You send a player out on a similar route on that time, maybe you run the ball or maybe you throw a short pass. You're trying to get that team to think this is what they're going to do, and then you try to hit them with something else. I don't know if this year Joe Brady has gotten in to a proper rhythm as a play caller in order to make that work at any point. I don't see that progression in their offense during a game.
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A
Yes. Yeah. There are some comments that are coming in, and it's. I. I somewhat agree. And it is the sign of a desperate offensive coordinator.
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B
Okay.
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A
Have him come down on the field.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And if anything else, that just feels like he changed the vibes. Like, that is usually right before an offensive coordinator gets fired, they change their location, whether they're in the box.
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C
That's what I'm saying.
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B
Right. So there are some offensive coordinators to Dan, what Dan's saying, who stand right there on the sidelines, and they wait for the quarterback or the offense to come on the side, and they want to be engaged that way. Most of them are up high in.
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C
The booth, can see the area, kind of what's going on, see how plays develop, see what the defensive formations are.
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I would say it. It couldn't hurt.
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I'm just saying, like, I know, but.
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That to me is like, they're getting.
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Close to, like, hey, what's that line.
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About, like, the deck chairs on The Titanic.
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You're getting close to that. Like, hey, we got to change something up. And that's like what you do usually before an OC loses his job. He's like. And then the other thing would be like the OC is handing off the play calling duties. Yeah, that's. Those are usually the two steps.
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B
Well, yeah.
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And then the owner says we have full confidence in them. And then they fire them eight days later.
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C
I don't know if we're there yet. Well, I'm very curious how this game will go. I'm good because I am, I am hopeful that. Remember a couple years ago when the Bills were down in Tampa, they lost in overtime to a Tom Brady Brady led Bucks team. But after the game, the Bills. Josh Allen was talking about how that did something for this.
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They found something.
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He called it a win game.
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He actually. Yeah. In post game Freudian slip refer to it as a win. But do you think there's a possibility of finding something? I mean we're in November now.
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Yeah.
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C
Like that scares me.
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I think if somehow during that time they find other wide receivers that it might help. You know, Brian Dabel was the coordinator in that. And I know we're going to talk about Brian Dable and. And it's one thing to say, you know, it's funny, we. Dan was Talking about the 13 personnel, the extra tight ends play, the big offensive line. And back in the day, which feels like 100 years ago, they would go four wide and Josh would be chucking it down the field. Games were fun to watch. We all know too. You never knew really what Josh was going to do. Right. That's the way he plays. There's an exciting brand of football. I don't think it's necessarily going back to that. Even if they were to make a move.
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Sorry, I just have to. Oh, where'd it go? Shohei Ohtani just won another award.
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Oh, he went mvp.
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He won mvp. Dan thought he was a bus.
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But that's so funny.
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You win some, you lose some. Not every hot take hits.
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Okay.
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B
But in terms of I was bringing up Brian Dable. His name came up. He was obviously with the Giants. He was like, oh, look, we can tell you this. At the end of Brian Dable's time with the Bills, it was not great between he and Sean McDermott. Not at all. I think there's what I want to try. Bruce Smith used to always. I talked to Bruce Smith too sick. You want to know that. So it's what was Abe LinkedIn? Water under the bridge oh man, that hurt.
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Water over the guy laughing on that one.
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C
So Ryan's laughing too.
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But in terms of I, you know, the way you would run, that was me uncalled for. Really?
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How was FDR's fireside chats?
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Do you believe this? I gotta put up with you. Do you hear these guys? Seriously, let them go. Let them cook. Just tell me.
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Let me cook.
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C
That's funny. I appreciate that.
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B
No, in terms of the, the way they want to run an offense, Brian Dable did a very good job, but he also was coaching Stefan Diggs and Emmanuel Sanders and a young Gabe Davis and Cole Beasley like they had a very different team. Now that being said, a team with Joe Brady and Josh Allen and similar receivers was one maybe Dalton Kincaid catch away from going to the Super Bowl. So it's not like it cannot happen. I just think, I don't think they're making any change now. But I think before Joe Brady finds himself getting changed out of this job, he's going to have to make some changes on his own.
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C
Yeah, I think so. Because I think what we talked about in the NFL, you have to produce NFL. Not for, not for long. And where the Bills offense is at, it feels stagnant now. Do you think there is like we talk about Brian Dabel possibly coming in consulting type of thing. What do you think is the percentage that actually does happen? Because I think it's important to think about the ramifications of. Does that undermine Joe Brady? Is that something, a move that they're willing to make? What would that look like in terms of the offense? And you talk about too like yeah, Brian Dable did a lot for this offense but that's when they had the fastball, amazing receivers and now it's a little bit different in terms of that.
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Yeah, I think it's. It's a low percentage not just for what it would mean to undermine Joe Brady. And like part of that I put to the side because like I don't care about feelings in the NFL and in the front office like it. This is a.
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B
Obviously you don't care about feelings.
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It's a big boy league and hand up and I was talking to somebody earlier like they know like I love and respect Brian D. More than certain members of my family. Like I think the world of that guy. It's also the fact of does, does he want to come back? Like he can also take some time.
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Off and come home to Buffalo.
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To Buffalo still has a house there.
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Like it just played at the U of R. Yeah.
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So it's just a matter of the. I don't know what players are out there at this point in the year to make an impact. So it's. Can you bring in an offensive mind who is very close with Josh Allen and give a fresh set of eyes to an offense that is trying to find their way now? Also, Brian Dable could look at this offense and go hard pass. Like, I have seen what this is and I'm all good. I don't want to attach my name.
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B
Maybe, maybe he says, let's see what changes you're going to make and I'll come see you next year. Right, Right.
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C
Oh, that's true, too.
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B
Yeah.
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C
So that is interesting.
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I just have a lot of respect for what Dable did for Josh. You know, their relationship is tight. Offensive consultant, offensive advisor. It's happened before where coaches have gotten fired. Robert Salah did that last year. He got fired from the Jets. He then goes and works with his friend Flores in Green Bay.
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Yeah.
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So, like, it can happen.
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Yeah.
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Flores, Matt LaFleur.
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Matt LaFleur.
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So it can happen. I just don't know how realistic as much as I think it makes a lot of sense.
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C
Yeah.
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I also don't know how.
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C
Well, I don't. I don't know if people were watching the Buffalo plus YouTube channel. Please be sure to, like, comment.
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B
Subscribe.
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C
Yesterday's video when we were in Orchard park, but we talked about how the Bill. Bill's offense, or just team in general might benefit from having an A hole on the roster. I'm not gonna cuss because there's. There's nice people here. But. But I think a lot of people were saying, like Stefan Diggs, we've gone down that route, all that stuff. And I think to me it's like an A hole doesn't necessarily mean a diva.
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Yep.
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But I think even someone. I don't think Matt Collins was an An. But I think he was someone that was accountable. Who would say that wasn't good enough. You need to do that again. I think of Tom Brady when he was in New England. He. He had Julian Edelman to be like, that wasn't good enough. You need to be better. And I think on this team, there's just. Josh is a jovial guy. He gets along with everyone. I think of Khalil Shakir. Like, I think of the leaders on this roster.
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B
There are a lot of nice guys.
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And they're nice guys, which is great and amazing. But I. I want there to be that edge of someone like a. A Matt Collins, who Is not a diva, but that type of player to say, you need to be better. Full stop.
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Yeah. When you think of some of the leaders on this offense, Dion Dawkins, Dawson, Knox, some of those guys, and that's always so nice, that like, nice in the opposite sense. That like Spencer Brown brought an edge to the offensive line. He brought a physicality, but it's different. Like, you see Stefan Diggs now in New England and I know I'm not trying to single out Stefan and we, we know what his time was and how it ended, but in New England, he's leading the pre game talk and giving the pregame speech.
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C
Yeah.
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And then when Trayvon Henderson rushes, has two 50 yard touchdown runs after the game, they're talking about it and he's going, Stefan Diggs was pushing me. He's been on my backside.
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C
Yeah.
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To be better.
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Yeah.
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Like I, we talked about this before when Diggs left, like, is there an alpha on this, the offense? And we're like, Josh is a mvp. There's no question with that. But is he the type of guy like Brady, like Peyton Manning got into it with Jeff Saturday on the sidelines, like, you snap me the ball when I tell you to stab me the ball. Like, yeah, there is some of that edge. They're all really nice guys.
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C
They are. It's great for our job.
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It's super.
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C
Right.
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But I, I do think there is an element.
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You wanted to see somebody in the locker room in Miami. So you go in the acceptable. Yeah, a lot of it was, well, they, you know, give them credit, they get paid, they wanted it more than us. It's like, that's unacceptable.
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And we're not naive enough to think this. Like, there are times they say that to us as reporters, but behind closed doors it may be different. I don't even know if within this team behind closed doors is so different. And I'm not saying somebody's got to stand up and start pointing fingers. That would be the worst. What do they say? It's like looking in the mirror. You point the finger at yourself first. They will take accountability, I think. But I do think there is something to be said for setting up that room to say somebody said, well, how are they going to bounce back from that game in Miami? That they should be breathing fire coming out of the tunnel. And I know every game is supposed to be the same and all this stuff, but they, they were embarrassing and how they played against Miami. And I think somebody needs to set that tone. And it's funny. Josh is everything you want in a player for a franchise. That's just what. What dog is he compared to a golden retriever like he is?
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C
Which is.
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B
He's a nice guy. That's why he's on every commercial you watch now, is he not? He's on everyone. Yeah, he's funny, but he's not going to be like, jumping down anybody's throat, at least not publicly. Yeah, and I don't know if we even hear that. That happens a lot privately. I don't think that's the way. Way he's wired, so it would be good. Hey, I don't think Drake May's that way. Doesn't appear to be that way. He's a young player, but, man, he's got Diggs. And we're showing Diggs because you guys know Diggs and you're watching him now with the Patriots. But he's invigorated playing there. He's got a voice there and he's playing well.
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C
Yeah.
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Nobody wants to hear from the guy who's not playing well.
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We always said Stefan Diggs was a guy in Buffalo, that whatever you thought of him when he walked in a room, that was the guy that you set up. You paid attention.
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B
Yeah.
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Because you knew that Diggs was going to bring it off the field. Issues 100. But when he was inside those building, they always talked about his compete level in practice, all those things. So, yeah.
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C
That's why I loved Mac, though, because. Because he had accountability without that attitude. Because, let's be real, we do know. Or I'll at least say this. There is an expiration date. There is a honeymoon phase.
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B
Oh, yeah. New England's gonna find out.
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C
New England.
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B
New England will find out. It'll happen. But. But it'll take a couple years.
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C
The character of having that attitude, of. There is a standard here in Buffalo, and if you don't adhere to that, not the coaches telling you, it's the players being like, figure it out. That is not enough.
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Agreed.
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C
Okay. Let's. We mentioned Patriots, mentioned digs. Let's talk a little bit about the division, the afc, because I think going into the season, we were like, oh, I mean, the AFC is stacked. Look at all these quarterbacks. Like, for the Bills, the division, of course they're gonna get it. But this is shaken out. I mean, we're now more than halfway through the season. It's been a little bit unexpected.
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B
I would say the Bills are fortunate in this way. I don't think there's a great team in the AFC in their conference, which is you look at who's gonna likely win the division. It is. Say it's New England. Say it's Indianapolis. You know, right now it could be Denver if Denver beats Kansas City. I mean, they're good teams, but I don't think anybody is sitting there going, wow, Baltimore is going to be really interesting with Pittsburgh. I don't think. I think if you're a Bills fan, you're rooting for Pittsburgh to win that division.
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Ain't going to happen.
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Probably not. But in this case, it's like Kansas City's okay. What are they, five and four? Bills beat them. Baltimore had their issues and it was Lamar, but they've had some other issues, too. Derek Henry doesn't look as dominant as he did certainly last year.
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C
I get him in fantasy.
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B
Yeah, right. I had him too, and that tells you why. But I'm saying is. So I do think the conference is wide open and I really do think it is. I do think it's going to be difficult for the Bills to win the division yet. If we watch this game tonight and the jets somehow upset the Patriots, then all bets for that are off.
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C
Yeah.
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I've come around a little bit on New England because I was like, fraud, fraud, fraud. It was a nice win in Tampa Bay last week. There's no question about it. But I still feel like there's a slip up coming.
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I think you're right.
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And whether it's a Thursday night on a short, weird week against a Jets team that is feeling kind of good about themselves, even though they traded away their two best players, but they picked up two wins. I like 13 1/2 points in the jets tonight. If anybody cares. Uncle Dan's best bets, which hasn't been good.
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C
You don't have to say that.
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But I still, like. I don't know when it is. I still am not this believer that Drake May is the mvp. And I think there is a stumble coming up. I don't know when it is because their schedule is a joke.
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C
Yeah.
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But I think there's still a couple of slip ups. I do think the division is New England's minus some massive slip ups. Like. Like there's got to be multiple for the Bills to catch them, but I still, like. It wouldn't worry me necessarily going into, like. I still think New England, Kansas City, Pittsburgh are good matchups in the postseason for the Bills. Let's just.
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B
Yeah, you got to take care of business and get there. Yeah, right.
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C
Yeah, that's. That's very true too. But no, you're Right. I do think. I, I agree. I think that the Patriots, they're a young team in terms of, like, this is the first year with Frable. Like the Drake May is still a younger player. You're right. And they've. They've been susceptible games where they have turned the ball over. Like, I, I think there is this.
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B
Slip up and Mike Vrabel's had that. He's. He won two games in the playoffs in his whole career. They came in the same season when they were the one seed and the team to beat. They got knocked off in the playoffs, albeit against Lamar Jackson. It was probably the biggest win Lamar's had in the playoffs. Yeah, that's fair, actually. But they lost that way. Now, that's going back a little bit with that Tennessee team, but that's what they've done.
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C
All right, let's talk Bucks. Let's talk this weekend.
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B
There we go.
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C
Baker Mayfield. He's funny.
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A
Yeah. Like, is this the first. Like, this may be the most universally liked quarterback matchup that you can have in the NFL?
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C
Yes. And we'll go to break and there'll be commercials from each of them.
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B
Yes.
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And. And they had fun with one another. Baker joked about Josh being 6 foot 10 and eating a walkie talkie to talk to him. And. But Josh made a joke saying that he wears two gloves when he's golfing. Like, these two guys, though, are the epitome of, like, dogs and competitors. And they do it in different ways because Josh does it with his stature and his talent. And Baker doesn't have.
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C
Baker does it from his moxies.
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Yeah. Like, really.
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Like he really is.
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Baker does it with his guts. Like, they're like, he is not the biggest. He doesn't have the strongest arm. He's not the fastest, but he'll still pick up a third and 18 if he has to run over a linebacker to do it.
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B
And you'll see it Sunday. Like, he can scramble. He can get away. Take care. He can. He can get away. He can do all those things. I mean, Baker got drafted by Cleveland. The year the Bills obviously drafted Josh Allen, he was number one. He goes to Cleveland. And the world got better for Baker eventually. After he left, he ended up in Carolina. He. He went to the Rams, showed up like, two days before a game, and then ended up leading them to a victory. Like, he's found his way back. And then he replaces Tom Brady in Tampa. And he's been really good for them. He's an MVP candidate. I think certainly earlier in this year, and they lost some players. He's a tough player. I think he's the kind of guy. If the Bills didn't have Josh Allen, I think Bill's fans would love Baker as their quarterback. But, you know, he's. He's a really good. He definitely is that.
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C
And he is fun to watch. And this team, they have a lot of injuries as well. But you look at Emeka Abuka, their rookie wide receiver, drafted 19th overall.
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B
You can draft receivers in the first round. That's legal.
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C
That hurts, Mike. That hurts.
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B
And they're good, then.
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C
They're good, and they're really good.
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B
And they don't make a lot of money.
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C
Your boy Scott said Reynolds about.
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B
He said they weren't even thinking they were going to pick a wide receiver in the first round because they had Mike Evans. Jenna's good friend Mike Evans.
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C
Yes. That's a deep cut.
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B
That is a deep cut. They had Mike Evans, they had Chris Godwin. And they're like, you know what? We need a wide receiver. And they took this kid out of Ohio State.
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A
And what they do in the seventh.
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B
Round, Mike, they took Tez Johnson.
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A
How many touchdowns does he have?
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He has four touchdowns is how many.
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How many would that be for the Bills?
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B
First.
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A
Yep. Not bitter.
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B
The Bills drafted a receiver in the seventh round. He's.
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A
He's a gym teacher somewhere.
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B
Jeez, Daniel.
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He's a little strong.
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Sorry, Kaden.
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B
How about sorry to anyone here who's a phys Ed teacher?
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A
Tough job. My wife's a teacher.
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B
It's a very hard job.
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A
We're underpaid. Teachers and doctors are running. Are underpaid.
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C
That is. That is a fact. Yeah. I was gonna say he could be.
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A great PE Teacher.
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B
Right. Just not a wide receiver.
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C
Say he's not an NFL wide receiver. And then they have Bucky Irving.
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B
Yeah.
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Drafting wide. He did that with Austin Pro. No, it's Ricky.
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B
Ricky Pearl's son. Yeah.
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It's like he drafts them in the six and seven rounds. Like, see, guys, I drafted a wide receiver.
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B
He didn't make it either.
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He didn't make it out of camp either.
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C
Yeah, that's fair.
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But Tez Johnson is catching touchdowns and thinks the crowd is chanting mvp.
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B
Oh, that was the best. Yeah. He thought during the game, he said to his buddy, he caught a touchdown. Tez Johnson, seventh round pick. He's like, the crowd's chanting, mvp. Mvp. I haven't even done that much. And his teammate said to him, that's for Baker. That's for Baker. He's like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. That's so good, though.
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A
That's so great.
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B
That's so good.
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C
I would.
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B
And their defense, the Bucks defense is good, too.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Todd Bowles is going to blitz the crap out of this Bill's offense.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it is going. They are really good against the run. You will hear Vita V's name talked about so much on this broadcast on Sunday. They are really good against the run. They have corners that can man up wide receivers. That is my concern is because New England blitzed the Bills a lot. It confused them or they played a lot of man. Sorry. New England played a lot of man. More than they were expecting. The Bills wide receivers couldn't get open. Atlanta blitz them a ton. They had no answer. Miami played a bunch of zone. They didn't have an answer. So that's where there are blueprints, unfortunately, throughout the season of for defenses on how to slow down this offense.
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B
And Dan's making the point that in each of those games, the Bills were down. Kansas City loves to blitz, too. We've seen it enough times with the Chiefs. The difference was Bills had the lead in that game. They were running effectively in that game. It mitigated the splits from the Chiefs and the Bills were able to run their offense.
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So Bella Rose says, dan, we're all underpaid unless you play in the NFL. Agreed. Buffalo plus. Underpaid.
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B
Underpaid. Underpaid.
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C
There's that.
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A
Okay, let's talk Chuck Traub from Traub Home Solutions. Underpaid?
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C
Yes. Well, we pay him.
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A
I don't pay him enough. He always gives us a great deal.
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C
Okay, let's talk our Picasso. Player of the week. Shout out Picasso's little Bud Light a little Picasso's pizza. We love it. All right. Player of the week. Michael, in your opinion.
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B
I say this every time because.
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A
Don't be Greg Rousseau.
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B
Why not?
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A
Is it really going to be Greg Russo?
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B
No, it wasn't going to be Greg.
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C
Okay, wait, he says this every time. Who could he be thinking of?
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Cook.
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C
I mean. Yeah, that's. You want Cook to play well, is it offense or defense?
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B
Offense.
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It's Cook.
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C
Josh. Joe? Brady?
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B
No.
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C
Dawson? Knox?
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B
No.
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C
Coleman?
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B
No.
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C
I'm just gonna name. All right. Spencer Brown.
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B
In effect, the offensive line is what I was gonna say. That was a given for this team. This is still a very good offensive line. When the Bills play well, they are a physical team and they dominate games. Certainly they can do it on the offensive line. Josh Allen has taken too many hits this season. Some he's run around a little more and then taking the hit. They protected him so much. Deion says he feels it. He hates when Josh gets hit. They need to take that into this game, protect their quarterback. They're going to need to do it Sunday and they're certainly going to need to do it Thursday when they play Houston because that defense is ferocious. I think if the offensive line plays the way they can, they were not effective. It wasn't like it was that much pressure on Josh. They just, they. They did a great job in coverage. The even move the Dolphins have. I think the Bills offensive line needs to try to dominate this game or do as best they can to get the run game going and to protect the quarterback.
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C
Yeah, I think that's really fair going off of that. My Picasso Costo player of the week is James Cook. And I know that might sound silly, but he has been their most dynamic player on offense this season. And if the Bills are going to win this game, I think it's because Cook is going to have a big game both on the ground and also through the passing game. I think he can open things up in that way that offers the little bit of creativity for this team as well. And I just feel like James Cook has been so good this season. We saw last week that this team can give up expected explosive plays and there's the opportunity there for this Bill's offense and Cook to exploit that.
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A
Joe Brady, I know it's not a player, but that's my Picasso's guy. Like there is. The panic button is out and Joe Brady can silence some of that panic button talk. The only reason that anybody's having this conversation about could Brian Dable come back is because of how the offense has struggled. This is a massive week. We're now going on two weeks in a row talking about can this offense figure it out. Big, big massive week for Joe Brady.
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B
And to the point again, it's not just a week. It's a week and then three days later. That's the thing about this or four days, I guess you're going to play and you're going to turn right around and play again and think about the difference in what their record can be, you know, where, where how we look at this team, you know, in a one week and a couple of hours from now, depending on what they do and you know, it's. It's against two teams that certainly are, you know, close to their equals, depending on how you want to look at it. They got to play well to win.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Tom Barski saying up tempo, no huddle.
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B
I like the up tempo.
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A
I think that works out well. Also, a lot of comments have been coming in about your coat.
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C
Okay. Yeah. So this coat is a sample, but it will be shortly on the Buffalo plus store. So check out the Buffalo.
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B
Yeah, look at that.
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A
There's also a new starter apparel.
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C
Yeah, that merch.
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B
That's.
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C
We haven't put on great stuff on our. Our store. I'm not just saying that, but it is@buffalo plus store.com. yeah, so we have a collab with starter, which is really cool because.
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B
Oh, collab. That sounds so cool.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Aren't we cool?
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C
Yeah, I mean, I think that's really cool. But we have some great stuff on there. Mugs, hats, you name it.
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B
But this Dan is right. Dan is wrong.
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A
Mugs.
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C
That mug is a favorite of mine.
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B
I turn that baby.
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C
Yeah, the Dan and wrong side is.
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B
Up, usually non stop.
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C
Speaking of that, let's get into our picks.
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B
Okay.
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C
So are you guys. 500 or so?
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B
We're one game behind you, so stop bragging.
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A
It's close.
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C
That's still behind me.
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B
Okay.
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C
Okay, go ahead. Your pick. No, Mike.
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A
Why do I go first?
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C
You always go first. Yeah, exactly.
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A
Nobody's gonna like this.
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B
Dan's gonna go first.
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A
Yeah. What a loser. I was talking to people, you know, earlier tonight, and I'm saying, oh, I'm, you know, nervous about this game. And I've always said, like, in years past, you always kind of gave the Bills the benefit of the doubt, that they would just find ways to win. I don't think they've earned that benefit of the doubt anymore in the way they're playing offensively. I have more questions than I do convictions on what this team is. I think the Bucks can take away the run. I think the Bucks can blitz. I still have plenty of questions and still unknown answers on the Bill's defense. Bucks win 24. 20.
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C
Boo.
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B
All right, I get to go.
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A
I want to win my competition.
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C
You'll still be tied. We'll still be tied. I'm just. That's a fact.
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B
I. I don't. Look, am I going next or are you going.
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C
You said you were going. Go for it.
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B
Okay. I don't love a lot of the matchups in this game. I don't love the way the Bills have played. But I have seen one thing from this team. They got embarrassed in the last game. Sean McDermott was embarrassed by the way his team played. I think he's gotten their attention. It should have happened going into Miami. They'll come home. It's going to be windy. It's going to be miserable. I'm going to be in the press box. Dan's going to have to be outside.
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A
Way too big of a laugh for that.
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B
It's going to be close. You're going to be nervous. But the Bills win at 23:20. Yeah, I wanted the applause. That's why I went second.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So pandering.
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C
Well, we'll get. I'll get applause too. I also have the Bills winning this.
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B
I'll get applause.
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C
21:20. I do think it's gonna be a close game, but I just think that the Bills are like we talked about earlier, a little bit more desperate. Hungry dog runs faster. You know the cliche. I know the cliche. I think the Bills, for the most part, play very well at home. They were embarrassed last week. They don't get embarrassed often and not have a bounce back effort. I think it's going to be tough. I do think there will. The injuries will be a factor. We'll see if Josh Palmer plays, what he can add. We'll see about Nicole Hardman.
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B
Shakir.
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C
Gabe Davis. Oh, Shakir. Yeah.
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A
No, Kincaid is huge.
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C
Yeah, that is a big issue. But. But I have the Bills winning 21 to 20. So there is that. So we'll see. Thank you. Thank you. All right, before we go to credit to me any hot takes for Sunday's game.
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A
Jackson Haas catches a touchdown.
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B
Oh, Jackson Haas.
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A
And I think the Bills. Oh, no, they're not undefeated because he caught a touchdown at the.
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B
Who cares? At the end of the end of the game.
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A
Yeah, but they're usually really good when he gets or really someone involved in the offense.
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C
So there's that anything from you. So you had last week. You were right.
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B
Two weeks. Two weeks ago.
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A
Nostrilana.
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B
Nostrilana. I said that Max Hairston would get his first interception. He got his first interception.
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A
That was wild.
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B
Then the next week I said Cole Bishop would get his second play of the game. He got the interception this week. I'm not gonna go for an interception. I am gonna go, oh, pick six. All right.
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C
I like the enthusiasm.
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A
He said it with conviction.
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B
So this is the way I'm gonna be. If there's a pick six, I'm gonna take credit for it. I am gonna say strip sack Greg Russo in the game. Bills recover.
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C
Oh, my gosh. Gregor's so buttons over and over again.
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B
Let's go.
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C
Okay. Who. Who's the pick six? Who do you think?
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B
Who's Max Harrison? Okay.
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C
All right.
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B
Here we go.
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C
You heard it here first. We love it. All right, let's do Credit to me.
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B
You don't have a hot take.
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A
Of course not. Jenna says that both of our picks couldn't be right.
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C
Oh, let me see. Who. Who I think could have a touchdown or make a big play?
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B
Josh Allen.
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C
I'll be brave. Yeah. And say Josh Allen. No. You know who's had a tough kind of go lately? Terrell Bernard has not played great. Yeah, he has had a. Some struggles this season. Terrell Bernard, interception.
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B
I was thinking about Bernard.
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C
Big for his confidence.
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B
I wish he was healthier. He's not. He doesn't look great, but he does make some plays. So let's see if he makes a play.
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C
Your pick sucks. Okay, credit to me. Do you want to start?
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A
Yeah. Mike and I just came back from traveling to Miami. I know some people have had travel issues recently. Credit to me. I think I'm a good traveler, like, going through the airport. And I say that because I didn't.
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C
Have TSA PreCheck till, like, we bought it.
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B
I know we got it for him as a gift. We were tired of waiting for him.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We're like, it's TSA pregnancy.
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A
It's a game changer. If you don't have it, you should have it. But I had quite the experience on the flight down. I had the window seat, and I got in my seat, and the lady next to me. Very nice. We're talking, making small talk. We. I carry this big camera around to all the games, and there's always that awkward, oh, what do you do? And you have to do small talk of, I cover an NFL team. And they said, is it fun? Yeah, it's pretty fun. And you're waiting for the correct time to put on the headphones, so you can just, like, stop having that, like, small talk. So we do the talk, and she's talking to me, and I put on the headphones. It's her and her husband. And I then kind of close my eyes. We had a 6am flight. I just want to close my eyes on the flight. And then as my eyes are closed, I can. Like, even when your eyes are closed, you can kind of, like, see something. Yeah, I sensed it. And the woman is opening up the window. The blind of the window. What? And I was like, oh, sorry. And she then proceeds to tell me, I really like the window seat. I usually sit in the window. When I first flew back when I was 30, and I had all these. And I was like, okay, you could have bought the Window seat. You don't have the window seat.
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C
Oh, my gosh.
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A
That's so weird. Kind of looking over me to see the window. It's like, all right, it's. Yep, there's. There's the window. Like, okay, so that kind of ends it. Then again, I close my eyes, and she is then reaching across and. Or she taps me and goes, can you lower it? It's in my eyes. The sun's in my eyes, Lady Bizarre. You don't get to control the window. Like, you're not in the window. Like, it was one of the most bizarre things ever. It was one of those moments where I was like, I don't care if the sun. If I'm not in the window seat and the sun is blaring in my eyes, tough luck. You got the window seat. Like, there should be airports and airplanes for people that know how to travel and people that don't. And I know traveling is very stressful and all of these things, but, like, you. You don't have to be mean to people. We grab a coffee. Well, I'm gonna miss my flight because this coffee's taking too long. Tough luck. You don't get a coffee then, dude. Like, you don't have to be mean to the people at Starbucks. That's not your fault. So credit to me. I think I know how to travel. You're constantly. I'm always, thank you. Sorry. Appreciate it. I'm a nervous flyer nowadays. Like, I just don't handle turbulence well or anything like that, but at least I don't pull the window shade up in front of somebody else. Was just one of the most bizarre experiences I've had.
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C
That is so weird.
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A
Can you lower it now?
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C
I'd be like, no, but, like, you.
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B
Would not say a word.
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C
I would never. I'd be like, oh, is this okay?
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B
Oh, I'll do it for you.
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C
But in my head, I'd be like.
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A
That'S where it was, like, credit to me, like, for just kind of being like, look at you go.
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C
Like, honestly, the reaching across is what weirds me.
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A
I want to say. It's like, she was like, my parents age, and she was watching Frozen. Like, that was another thing where I.
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C
Was like, I don't think that's bad. That's the least of your problems.
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B
Right? Yeah.
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A
Just trying to, like, set the stage. The vibe of what this okay couple was.
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C
I hear you.
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A
It was wild.
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C
Okay.
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A
It was one of those things where.
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C
I was like, okay, credit to me. And normally I don't do this, but credit to Me, I officiated my girlfriend's wedding over the weekend, and I crushed it. It was so much fun. I had a lot of help from Dan and Mike putting together the script, and it went really well. But I would like to let you all know that I am now retired, so I will not be doing that.
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A
No, we will come out of retirement.
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B
Yes.
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A
If you want us to do your wedding, we will put it out there. We are both ordained ministers. If this whole Buffalo Plus YouTube thing doesn't take off, we will just bang out weddings. You want us, we will go there, and we will officiate you for a call. We are here gathered today to, like, comment and subscribe.
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B
So I give you a little hint at the difference between these two. So when Dan was going over the script for Jenna's wedding, I kept saying to him, that's good. But, you know, just make sure, you know, if you think about telling, like, an extra joke, just, like, take a pitch or don't talk too much or whatever. Just, you know, it's sort of like Jenna's day. It's like, whatever. Jenna read her script. We're like, yep. Because I knew she was gonna stick right with it. And Dan crushed the wedding. He was great at Jenna's wedding. You were nervous. I was a little nervous, too, sitting there listening. But he did a great job. And I. We heard about Jenna's. It did a good job. So excellent.
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C
And I don't normally say I did a great job, but I did a really good job.
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B
She got in the car bragging up a storm.
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C
No, I was just like.
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A
That was really. People came up to me saying it was the best.
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C
That was a. That was a private car ride. But, yeah, people were very nice.
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B
Awesome.
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A
Those people weren't at your wedding, too? Because then that would have been better than mine.
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C
No, there were some people. There was overlap.
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B
Yeah, there's people and people.
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C
Like, yours was so good.
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B
I read the reviews, read them online.
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C
So mine was better.
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A
Retired.
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C
Yeah, you're retired.
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B
Mine's kind of simple. I'm going to be a grandpop for the third time. Thank you.
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A
I.
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B
This is coming up soon. I don't say anything, you know, and anybody who's got grandkids or even your own kids, like, sometimes you wait. You wait till everything out. We waited. This is a long time. My daughter's doing great. My other daughter's got two little girls, and now I'm gonna have a third grandchild. I had two daughters. Now three grandbabies. She's due in December. She's gonna try to work it out when it's not a bill's game. So then I'm gonna go down and see. I'm kidding. I'm going down there whenever. But another girl. So it'll be three little. You want a girl? Well, I'm going to have a third girl. So they're going to be four, two and a half and a newborn when the baby is born in just about a month.
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C
Very exciting.
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B
Yes, very exciting. My daughter Courtney and Drake are husband.
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A
So one other thing we've talked about and I wanted to kind of. I guess this would be a good time to gauge the room a little bit. We've talked about doing some type of life advice for the YouTube channel.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Where we have joked around about we are at three very different stages in our lives between.
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C
I would say ours.
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B
Well, yeah. Except Dan has 11 kids now, so.
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A
12 newly married, a litter of kids and a litter, grandkids, so.
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C
Okay, that's fair.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Could be like, maybe this is more.
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C
For like a poll for, like the YouTube channel.
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B
Yeah, he's throwing it out there.
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A
I don't know. You didn't come up with the idea, so apparently it's not a good one.
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B
Travel advice with Dan.
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C
Travel.
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B
Don't sit on the window.
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C
Can you lower it?
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A
Wild.
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C
Well, also, we have to do credit to you all for being out here tonight.
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B
Thank you to everybody here.
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C
McGregor's Bud Light, always so much fun. We have such a great time with this. So we just want to say thank you so much. I feel like you should put this on.
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A
I feel like I should.
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C
I feel like someone should put this on. That's definitely not gonna be you, but no. Thank you all for being out here.
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A
You think I would really put that on?
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C
People were saying in the comments to put it on. Oh, yeah, we got to do the names. Oh, we got. Yeah.
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A
Dan's like, I came to peer pressure easily.
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C
Okay. Yeah, we want to.
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B
That's good. Oh, that was worth it. That was worth it.
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C
Okay. Well, yeah, it's not on a streaming YouTube channel either. Okay, give us some shout outs.
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B
Shout out to everybody.
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C
Everyone that's here. We got a lot of names, though. Dave and Regina, Gary, Shrimpy, Pat with two T's. Meg, Char, Pam, Jaren from Utah. We got Pat and Sid, Julie, Jeff and Zach, Jordan, Kathy and Nick, Josh and Stephanie, Chaz, Luke. Thank you all so much for coming out.
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A
And everyone, for you guys, always saying I have a big head, it looks very small.
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C
You look preposterous. Absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, I was gonna say. All right, that'll do it for us. Once again, give yourselves a round of applause. Thank you so much for being out here tonight. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share.
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A
Lake beverage.
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C
I'm Jenna Kajo. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for watching on the YouTube channel. Thank you to McGregor's. Thank you to Bud Light. Thank you. We'll catch you next time.
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B
This is the Buffalo plus podcast.