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DAN ORLOVSKY joins Buffalo Plus to talk JOSH ALLEN, Joe Brady & his biggest CONCERN with the BILLS OFFENSE
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A
What goes through your head when you hear anybody, NFL executive, Dolphins fan, Chiefs fan, anybody, when they talk about Josh Allen being overrated?
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B
Yeah, I just. It's moronic to say something like that and it's idiotic to say something like that to that specific story when that person referenced some of the stuff that they did. You could. You're just making things up.
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C
This is the Buffalo plus podcast brought.
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A
To you by Connors and Ferris. Hey everyone and welcome Back to the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel, presented by Connors and Ferris. Dan Fates here with. Look, I'm not gonna lie, this is a pretty cool video, one I'm really excited to share with you guys because earlier this week I caught up with ESPN's Dan Orlovsky to talk the Bills, Josh Allen, Joe Brady and what Dan's biggest concerns are for Buffalo's offense heading into next season. But before we get to that, I need you, as always, to like, comment and subscribe to the channel. We really appreciate it. It has been a very busy week since the start of camp for the Buffalo plus team. Mike, Jenna and I have put out daily content videos. We have been at every single practice and and as you can tell, the sun is beating me. I have vowed next week to up the SPF game because this is not a good look. But along with the daily recap videos, the sights and sounds, we also caught up with Bill's GM Brandon Bean last week when he walked over to Mike's gorgeous patio and sat down and talked with us for 20 to 25 minutes. We caught up with him to talk about the Bills and how he views this team as still a year in transition. We talked to salary cap. He got to dunk on me a little bit. We went back and forth there. I asked him to grade himself for his tenure so far with the Bills. Tons more as always. So again, after. If you haven't seen that one, after this video, go back, check that one out. I'm also rocking A brand new Buffalo plus shirt designed by yours truly. This is the first edition. You can find it at the buffaloplus store.com Brand new Keon Cole him shirt. As he's looked good in camp so far. We got a shirt for him. All the fans, pretty cool stuff there. So again, if you want this shirt, head on over to the buffaloplus store.com as for the video, I have been working for probably the last few months to get Dan Orlovsky to come on this channel. He was on it a few years ago. Mike caught up with him quickly. I think it was before Monday Night game where he was on ESPN and the ABC kind of got in touch with us. But this is one of my, my friends will joke around one of my white whales that I get to catch up with somebody that I look up to in this business. We talk about rocking a hoodie and a sport coat. We talk about Josh Allen and what he hopes to see from him this year. He's got a great story with Matt Stafford, all of his knowledge. I think there's no, I don't think there's anybody better in the media right now at breaking down film and explaining it in a reasonable way that all fans can digest and make sense of it. I love the way he views the quarterback position. He's been on one Bills Live all last year, so he's familiar with the Bills, their offense, and with all the changes to Buffalo's offense this offseason, I wanted to get Dan's perspective on Josh Allen, Joe Brady, his biggest concerns moving forward. So without any further ado, here's Dan Orlovsky a few moments later. All right, now, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, Dan Orlofsky from espn. You see him on NFL Live. Get up first. Take all of that stuff. Busy day for you. I really appreciate you taking some time for us here.
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B
Of course. Good to be with you, bud.
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A
All right, so we'll start out right away. What goes through your head when you hear anybody, NFL executive, Dolphins fan, Chiefs fan, anybody, when they talk about Josh Allen being overrated?
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B
Yeah, I just, it's moronic to say something like that. And it's idiotic to say something like that. You know, we're talking about a player that these, these aren't assumptions. These really aren't demon opinions. There's enough evidence over the course of a body of work of three plus years, four years, where you go, one of the best players in the NFL and certainly one of the best people at his position in the NFL, and it's the most important position. And to sit there and say he's overrated would mean that you're, you're holding him to an expectation or standard that you don't even hold the, the guy who's the best in the league at it and Patrick Mahomes. And also, like when the, to that specific story, when that person referenced some of the stuff that they did, you could, you're just making things up, you know, and it's those, those guys at those positions, they're always going to have people that say that they suck, you know, It's. It's the whole. I mean, it's. It's literally one of the things that I have said I wanted to get into TV because of. Because when I was playing, it was, well, Tom Brady's the only good quarterback. Everyone else sucks. Bill Belichick's the only good coach. Everyone else sucks. And we're in a world now where Patrick Mahomes is the only good one. If everyone else sucks, and it's like, no, there's other really, really, really great quarterbacks, and Josh is one of them. So they're always going to find negative things to say about you, especially when you're one of the best. And I don't think there's any question that if you have any sense of, like, a football mind and you don't have a certain dislike for that player, Josh is one of the, at worst, two or three best quarterbacks in football.
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A
Also being. We can also be critical of Josh. We can be fans and believing on all these things. What do you want to see Josh improve or what do you want to see this year from Josh if. If you're breaking it down?
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B
Yeah. I mean, if anyone's been critical of Josh, it's me. I mean, I would go back to week one last year when his performance against the jets was as bad as I'd seen him play. So someone's got to tell him to grow up. I love Josh Allen and I love him. I'm such a fan of his as a player and a person. We have to grow up. You know, Gary Kubiak said this to me, like, my fifth year in the NFL. I'm nowhere near the Josh, the player Josh was. But I threw an interception in practice, and he called me over and he was like, hey, man. He's like, at some point, you got to realize you don't hold your job in your hands when you got the ball. You hold everyone's. Everyone's jobs and everyone's futures and everyone's hopes are in your hands. And Josh lost sight of that a little bit, I feel. And certainly the play kind of says that. And I think that someone's got to sit down and look him in the eye and be like, hey, man, we got to grow up when it comes to this. Because the moment Aaron goes down, there's only one way they lose that game, and he can't be the reason why they lose that game. And he did that. You know, you're always trying to improve some stuff. I would say what I want to see from Josh this year is Is Josh, over the, the course of the season going to do two things? One, is he really willing to constantly buy into, even as you get into the games, the third and fourth quarters, the boring brand of football? Because teams are going to demand that. Is he going to be okay handing the ball off in RPOs that sometimes you sit there and go, well, Josh, don't pull that and throw it because we want you to hand this off. Like, that's not fun for a dynamic player. It's just not. It's boring for those guys. And the mental challenge that he's going to go through with all that stuff and now with the pieces that they have, is he going to be willing to kind of play that a plus point guard and then that leadership role that going from can you still be that emotional and kind of wave providing and at times riding leader and quarterback to also being that steady hand and unwavering hand and, and that kind of next step in that world. So I think those are like two specific things that you want to see with Josh. We'll see what style offense, you know, they're going to play this year, you know, under Joe, with the full off season and kind of what their identity becomes. But it's really just that, hey, will you, will you be playing point guard all the time in games and in certain critical situations?
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A
I've always said it before and I think you, I've taken it from you, all of your breakdowns and things like that. It's like, take the cheese. Not every play needs to be living and dying and you talk.
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B
It's hard for. Yeah, it's hard for guys like that though. I mean, I learned, I learned this in, in a way where I was with Matthew Stafford and Matthew was such a tremendous physical talent. And you know, watching tape, I always go back to a very specific play. We're watching tape against the Cardinals and he tries to forced this deep like 20 to 22 yard corner route in between a safety and a corner and he's moved in the pocket and he throws it perfect. And I'm like, bro, it's first down and the guy, the, the back in the flat is 6 yards wide open. Why won't you just throw that? And he looked at me and said, well, because you can, but you can't throw that one. And it's hard for those guys that are crazy talented because they always think I can make the throws that everybody else can't. And that's kind of what I'm saying. The boring stuff is like, dude, are you Willing to do and make the throws and the plays that like every quarterback in the league can make, even though you can make quarter plays that no one else can.
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A
That's a sick flex, though, by Stafford like that.
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B
It's pretty good where they live in.
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A
I. I've said this. I love Brian Dable and respect him more than certain members of my family. I just have such high regard for his offensive mind and things like that. I was cautious with Dorsey not having called plays before, I thought was a big concern of mine. Giving the keys to a Ferrari to a guy that had never driven before, that was one of my concerns. What's your thoughts on. On Joe Brady? Obviously, we saw the sample size, but now we're getting a full off season. What are your expectations or what excites you about that?
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B
Yeah, I think the world of Joe. You know, I've been a fan of Joe since I was calling LSU games in their 2019 national title run. So I think the thing that I love about Joe is there's this complexity in the simple. You know, Joe is. Is got a lot of traits that a lot of really good coordinators have that they don't try to run 47 plays, but they want to run them in 470 different ways. And that's taking that simplicity of stuff and so you can really know and execute it and just making it very exotic. And when the way that it's presented to a defense and you're trying to get the defense to play slow while you play flat fast. And I think I like that about him. I think the improvement in the RPO and the different ways that they can run that I like that. I think he's not scared to run Josh, you know, in the situation of football, which matters. So I also love the fact that I don't want to like, you know, Joe cut his teeth and that 19 LSU run where it was these pieces, you know, you had all these different pieces and a little bit in Carolina and then you saw a little bit last year, and that's the. The makeup of their offense this year is like you have all these multitudes of pieces. And I think that that's something that I'm super interested to watch is how, you know, he kind of opens the picture up for Josh to really deploy them all.
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A
One last question before I let you go, because I know your time's busy. What's your biggest concern then? If we're talking about the biggest strength is obviously you have man got Josh Allen man coverage.
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B
Yep. You know, when you want to Be diversified in your people. You're gonna play the game of. Well, our team's gonna play us in a ton of zone. Because if you're playing zone, then are you a little bit more susceptible to the run and is the RPO hurting you? And you know, are you giving up too much in the yak or are you going to sit there and go, no, no, no, no. They don't got anybody that could whoop us in man coverage. Like, as much as people want to say that Steph maybe isn't Steph of, you know, 20 or 21, he still wins versus man coverage. And who's going to be that guy that can win when teams are going to say, hey, we're going to play man, and we're going to shade this way, you know, who's going to be the winner on a consistent basis versus good coverage? Guys, is it going to be Dalton, is it going to be Keon? Oh, in those, we're not talking about a team that's, hey, let's win games. It's like you're trying to win the Super Bowl. So, like when you're playing against the elite defenses that can play man coverage that the Kansas City is going to be in and the Baltimores are going to be in and the Dolphins are going to be in, the Pittsburgh's are going to be like, who's going to become that person?
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A
I really appreciate it. You are the reason that I started wearing a hoodie and a sport coat. Everybody says that's so creative. And I always say, I go, it wasn't me. I go, it wasn't me. It was my wife. It was your wife, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah, it was my wife, man.
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A
So we, you know, we got, we got great ladies behind us. Really appreciate your time, man. Love all your stuff. Seriously, like top of the list guest for me to talk to in this business. So I really appreciate it, man. Thanks so much.
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B
Thank you, bud. Appreciate you, man. A few moments later.
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A
Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks again to Dan for coming on. Finding some time in his busy day to, you know, catch up with me. Rejoined Buffalo plus for a second time. So you know that he's a subscriber, recurring guest now. But going back and re watching the interview before I recorded this open and this close here, what really stood out to me was, was when he talks about playing boring football and can Josh be that, that point guard? And when you think of Josh Allen so often and we talk about this channel, you think of the highlight, real plays, you think of that, whoa, throw that. That Jumping over defender, those hurdling moments, the times that he goes in the phone booth and comes out with the Superman cape and all those things. But when he talks about is he willing to play boring football, is he willing to Instead of having 30 points basketball, terms of point guard, is he okay with having 11 assists and, and, and, and doing the little things. And that goes back to what I've always compared to and it's Trent Dilfer had two analogies when he was on TV and I always loved him was he always talks about taking the cheese and, and will quarterbacks, are they disciplined enough to just take what the defense gives them and that it doesn't need to be this expensive cheese. The 20 yard holeshot down the field, can it just be the cheddar and the American cheese in front of you and take the two and three and five yard passes that defenses are giving you and taking the freebies. And he also always talks about it's one I've always loved and I know I've talked about this channel before, but the difference between a surgeon and a butcher and he talked about their two very important jobs, they both use extremely sharp instruments and at the end of the day the butcher uses a machete and it's flashy and all of a sudden there's sizzle and you end up with a pastrami sandwich. And a surgeon uses the same exact super sharp knife but he can save your life and can you be disciplined enough to be the surgeon to be the Peyton Manning, the Tom Brady's or Cam Newton who's a butcher? And at times we've compared which Josh Allen are you getting in that Josh Allen experience? And when Dan talked about that story of watching a play with Matt Stafford and him saying why didn't you just take the check down? And Matt saying I don't take the check down because that's the throw you make. I make the big time throws because I can. And what I wish I would have remembered when I was doing the interview with Dan was I remember when I caught up in 2019, I went back and I reached out to Wyoming's head football coach Craig Bolt and at the time he recruited Josh and I believe he's retired from now, but I remember asking him like about Josh and some stories about him and he said the one that stood out to him, we.
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C
Were in the middle of a spring scrimmage and there was a play that was designed for a bootleg to throw the fullback out in the flat. And so we were doing this spring scrimmage and the fullback was wide open in the flat and he pulled the ball down and did not throw the ball to the fullback in the flat. He, he threw a backside post, a rope route. I don't know, about 65 yards for a touchdown. And so, you know, it's one of those things, okay, that's a good, good play, Josh. But the rule is to throw the ball to the fullback in the flat. And he said, no, Coach Brett Favre says touchdowns first. And I said, I don't care about Brett Favre. Throw the ball to the fullback.
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A
And that's, that's the kind of, that's the, something that you love about Josh Allen. But, but Dan makes the point, too. With the pieces that you have now, there's no Stefan Diggs, there's, there's no Gabe Davis. Like, can you be disciplined enough to take the five and six and seven yard completions? But again, Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, they're different. Appreciate it. As always, though, Again, really cool video. Worked really hard to get Dan Orlovsky. Awesome. To come on. And then again, just, it reminded me of that story of catching up with Craig Bol when, when Josh was a freshman or his first year at Wyoming. And he's like, yeah, it's a great play, but that you got to check it down to the fullback. He goes, no, Brett Favre says touchdowns first. And again, I've asked Josh about it and he said that's, that's exactly what he said. So, again, appreciate Dan coming on. Means a lot to me. Somebody I look up to, the hoodie and sport coat brothers that we are. Again, it was all Dan. That's where I stole it. Stole it from. And I just hope I make him proud with it. Appreciate, as always, we will have more great content leading up throughout the rest of Bill's training camp and into the season. We appreciate it as always. Like, comment and subscribe to the channel. It means a lot to us. Helps the channel continue to grow. For next time, I'm Dan Fates. We'll catch you next time here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel.
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B
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