EMERGENCY POD: The Bills FIRE Sean McDermott and PROMOTE Brandon Beane

Summary

Buffalo Plus Emergency Podcast Summary

Episode Title: EMERGENCY POD: The Bills FIRE Sean McDermott and PROMOTE Brandon Beane
Date: January 19, 2026
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
Theme: Sudden firing of Sean McDermott after nine seasons as Buffalo Bills head coach and the promotion of Brandon Beane to head of football operations, sparking dramatic changes for the franchise.

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Episode Overview

This emergency episode captures the immediate reactions and in-depth analysis of the Bills’ decision to fire head coach Sean McDermott and promote GM Brandon Beane to oversee all football operations. The podcast explores the shock across the organization and fanbase, dissects the reasoning behind the decision, evaluates Beane’s track record, considers implications for Josh Allen and the roster, and speculates on possible next head coaching candidates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shock and Immediate Reactions

• Total surprise: Neither the hosts nor the players, nor even most national media insiders, saw this decision coming.
• Hosts’ plans upended: The team was prepared to do a normal post-mortem on the season, not an emergency podcast.

  “My head's spinning right now with this...I never would have thought that Sean's not leading them into the new stadium next year…” — Mike (01:11)

• Player responses: Real-time reactions from Bills players and staff (Jordan Phillips, Taron Johnson) indicate widespread shock and respect for McDermott.
• Media and fan disbelief:

  "I just can't get over the suddenness of this decision...if we're thinking this is sudden, I can't imagine how players are feeling right now." — Jenna (21:50)

2. The McDermott–Beane Power Dynamic & Organizational Consequences

• Perceived power struggle:

  “Brandon Bean won. In my opinion…there was a power struggle and the general manager won.” — Mike (01:11, 19:30)

• Bean’s expanded authority: Beane is now positioned directly between ownership and the new head coach.
• Culture vs. Talent debate:

  “We sit here and I can say, culture matters. Talent wins you championships.” — Brandon (00:07, 08:57)

• McDermott’s cultural impact:

  “He was the soul of the franchise…Sean developed that part of the organization.” — Mike (00:00, 32:26)

• Sudden organizational instability: Bills now face a dramatic roster and philosophical reset, contrary to years of continuity.

3. Was This the Right Year and the Right Move?

• Hosts’ consensus: This may not have been the year to fire McDermott; most see him as having done his best coaching job given injuries and roster limitations.

  “I struggle with the fact that…outside of [Allen and Cook], I thought Sean did a phenomenal job and the injuries were such a big issue for this team. I think Sean McDermott is a hell of a coach.” — Jenna (04:34)

• Repeat playoff heartbreak: Argument over whether changing the coach actually solves underlying issues (“keep doing the same things…is the definition of insanity”).
• Players never quit: The locker room continued fighting for McDermott, unlike other flakes out elsewhere in the NFL.
• Comparison with other franchises:

  “They never have collapsed. They've never crumbled. And we've talked about how important culture is. And I just look at culture being important. Talent's important, too.” — Brandon (08:05)

4. Assessment of Brandon Beane as GM

• Draft record under scrutiny:

  “[Beane] has drafted 58 players since Josh Allen. Two are Pro Bowlers. Let that sink in.” — Brandon (00:07, 08:43)

• Roster construction failures: Wide receiver issues, draft misses, and free agent challenges this season were attributed to Beane.
• Promotion raises eyebrows:

  “This is the worst year he’s had as general manager. No question... He is getting this promotion at, I believe, his low point with the fans.” — Mike (16:15, 37:02)

• Why promote Beane? The group considers that continuity with scouting and draft responsibilities may have played a role in retaining and promoting Beane amid front-office chaos.

5. Implications for Josh Allen & Franchise Direction

• Allen–McDermott relationship:

  “Josh Allen and Sean McDermott had a very good relationship... Josh would stop over the house, have dinner once a week.” — Mike (07:13)

• Was Allen consulted? All agree it's likely he was informed, but not responsible for or required to sign off on the decision.

  "You don’t let your quarterback decide the direction of the organization." — Brandon (25:14)

• Future fit: New head coach must be aligned with Allen's style and maximize his prime years.

6. Anticipated Massive Roster & Staff Overhaul

• Staff shakeup: New head coach will want his own coordinators, likely meaning current DC and OC are gone.
• Roster reset: Hosts predict painful personnel moves—including possible contract-eating, and a more significant retool than ever before.
• Change in coaching philosophy:

  "You're going to have a lot of players that are still from that old philosophy, but you're going to have a new philosophy that will probably value different things..." — Jenna (12:09)

7. Head Coaching Search Speculation

• Search urgency & challenges: Bills are already behind other teams in the coaching carousel due to the late firing.
• Internal vs. external candidates: Unlikely they promote from within (e.g. Joe Brady); external hires expected.
• Possible names discussed: Clint Kubiak (popular rumor per Jeremy White's source and several recent mentions), Brian Daboll, Josh McDaniels, Mike Tomlin (though viewed as unlikely due to compensation requirements), and others; Jon Gruden and Rex Ryan dismissed as unserious.
• Potential preference for experience:

  “You can’t give a team that’s a perennial Super Bowl contender a first-year head coach.” — Jenna (26:44)

• Risks with delays: If waiting for playoff coaching candidates (e.g., Kubiak), Bills could miss out; staff hiring could lag as a result.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• McDermott’s cultural legacy:

  “He was the soul of the franchise in the sense of it all goes back. Josh is the player...Sean developed that part of the organization.” — Mike (32:26)

• Roster reality check:

  “This is not a floundering Steelers team...This is a team that won five straight division titles...He’s been the most successful Bills head coach since Marv.” — Brandon/Jenna (12:53, 15:55)

• On being blindsided:

  “I was literally having breakfast with the kids. When are we gonna go in today? We'll record something... Just did not see it coming.” — Brandon (11:44, 35:10)

• Drafting woes:

  “Brandon Bean has drafted 58 players since Josh Allen. Two are Pro Bowlers. Oh, Cook and Knox. Let that sink in.” — Brandon (08:21)

• ‘Be careful what you wish for’:

  “If you’re one of those people that wanted Sean gone, congrats, like, you got what you wanted…be careful what you wish for, because what you’ve had has been pretty good.” — Brandon (20:07)

• Front office shakeup implications:

  “He is getting this promotion at, I believe, his low point with the fans. And he's got...a lot of pressure now because he's picking the coach. He is got to fix the roster.” — Mike (37:02)

• The scale of change:

  “This opens up change of almost anybody on the roster outside of, you know, it's Josh Allen.” — Mike (18:19)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00 — Mike calls McDermott the “soul of the franchise”
• 01:11 — Initial shock, power struggle theory
• 04:34 — Jenna on McDermott’s coaching job this season
• 07:13 — The Allen/McDermott personal relationship
• 08:43 — Beane’s poor draft record highlighted
• 19:30 — Power structure: Beane over new head coach
• 21:50 — Emotional impact on players and staff
• 25:14 — Clarifying Allen’s role in the decision
• 32:26 — Legacy and the challenge of replacing McDermott’s culture
• 35:10 — On being caught off-guard (hosts and players alike)
• 37:02 — Beane’s critical juncture and pressure
• 39:01 — Coaching search timeline, delay risks
• 46:06 — Expectation of hiring an outside coach
• 50:04 — Roster not as strong as some believe

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Conclusion & Forward-Looking Perspective

• Unprecedented moment: The Bills' firing of McDermott and promotion of Beane marks one of the most significant shake-ups in franchise history, especially as the team prepares to enter its new stadium.
• Sweeping change incoming: The next few weeks will likely see a revamp of staff and major roster changes, with an urgent search for a new coach who can align with (and maximize) Josh Allen.
• Cautionary note to fans:

  “Be careful what you wish for… because what you’ve had has been pretty good.” — Brandon (20:07)

• Uncertainty remains: The identity of the next head coach, the future of current coordinators, and the direction of the franchise under Beane's sole stewardship are all up in the air.

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For listeners:
This episode is a must-listen for any Bills fan or NFL follower wanting to understand the internal dynamics, shock, and complexity behind one of the most significant coaching changes of the 2026 NFL offseason.

Transcript

[Mike]

This may sound a little dramatic and say, he was the soul of the franchise. Sean developed that part of the organization.

[Brandon]

Brandon bean has drafted 58 players since Josh Allen to our Pro Bowlers. Let that sink in. Yeah, like, we sit there and I can sit here and say, culture matters. Talent wins you championships.

[Mike]

Now, from the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[Jenna]

All right, we are live back here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel, my Catalana, Dan Fates. I'm Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. Obviously, this is an emergency podcast. The Bills have announced that they have fired head coach Sean McDermott after nine seasons with the team. Brandon Bean also will now be getting a promotion. Not only will he be general manager of the team, but he's also taking football operations over as well as. And a lot of conversations on social media happening right now. Mike, I want to just get your take, though, as the Bills will now be looking for a new head coach.

[Mike]

My head's spinning right now with this and I know a lot of you wanted Sean McDermott fired, so you got your wish. I thought of all years, this was not the year to fire Sean. But the team made a decision. Brandon Bean won. In my opinion. This is not sourced. In my opinion, he won a power struggle. I think there was something. Obviously, we all saw it going on. I thought it would be. If anything, it would have been the other way. But the fact that Brandon Bean is now head of football operations also tells me in the new power structure, he is between the ownership group and the new head coach, because he's picking the head coach and it's not going to be Sean McDermott. Flaws from McDermott. They did this same result in many years. Now I can see the idea of doing it. I was just surprised with the roster they put on the field this year that it's the head coach who goes.

[Brandon]

Stunned.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Brandon]

Sitting there eating breakfast with the kids. This was not what I had on the docket for today. We were going to do a podcast recapping, kind of decompressing after the immediacy of the podcast that we did in Denver. We were going to talk about Joe Brady, Josh Allen, all these kind of things. And, yeah, just did not see this coming. Also, in the sense of Mike, you kind of touched on it. Like you tweeted it. I tweeted it. We want to hear from you and your comments, obviously, as well. Thought this was Sean's best season. Yeah, thought this was Sean's best season in nine years in Buffalo, maybe outside, because honestly, in 2017, he made mistakes too. So, like, that was like, great to, like, end the drought, but I thought this was Sean's best season coaching a team that. And I saw Diana Rossini had tweeted something along the lines of, and again, these are all sources and all the things that were going on. But Diana Rossini saying from conversations with people in the Bills organization, the sense I got is that it felt there were opportunities to win Saturday in Denver, officiating or otherwise. Leadership felt a change was necessary against. After coming up short for the super bowl yet again. I understand that. And if you want to say keep doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, I understand all that stuff. But I kind of responded and said, like, the touchdown in the final minute against your fifth string corner because you no longer have jamarcus Ingram because Darius Slay never showed up and you made that move or the touch at the end of the half when you had your fifth safety that was in the game in Darnell Savage. Like, I'm. I just. I never looked at that game in the weird scope of this, and I know this is how I was almost relieved that it wasn't a coaching blunder as to why they lost that game. Yeah, I guess that that was how I, like, when I sat down and on the flight back to Denver, I was like, I'm kind of relieved that we're not sitting there going, ah, Sean shouldn't have done that.

[Jenna]

A coach's decision.

[Brandon]

We. We sat there and you said, were there any coaches decisions that we said, Sean should have gone for it, should have done this, should done that. I never looked at that game and said coaching was why the Bills lost. Five turnovers were a big reason why they lost. I. I didn't see that as a coaching blunder by any way.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I think, I mean, I was stunned. You were the one that called me and I was. Honestly, I was still in bed because I was being lazy. And I was like, oh, you know, I watched the games yesterday and I saw the. The catch call in the Rams game. I was like, well, classic. And, you know, I was thinking this, the season's over, all this stuff. And then for you to call me, I was like, what? It was just. It was so stunning. And I know there were some people saying, like, you know, they've wanted this. Well, like you've said you have gotten what you wanted. But I do think when you, if this was really a make or break season for McDermott. I really struggle with the fact that some of the talent on this team. And you could say, yes, Josh Allen and James Cook phenomenal, and they are. But the pieces around that and outside of that, I thought Sean did a phenomenal job and the injuries were such a big issue for this team. I think Sean McDermott is a hell of a coach. And you're seeing some reactions from players. Jordan Phillips talking about how he is sick to his stomach. Best coach he's been around. That's what Jordan Phillips is. Is saying. And so the Bills have decided to move in a different direction. Like I said earlier, Brandon Bean now getting a promotion. But I think a lot of fans are still trying to wrap their head around this decision. Mike from Buffalo.

[Mike]

Yeah, we don't have the talent to win. Michael says, that's not on Sean. Even Stephen A. Smith says y' all scapegoated McDermott. And I know we're talking specifically about the last game and the way they went out, because that's the only logical reason, and it's a big reason to move on from a head coach, is that you feel like he can't get past these certain points. That's a fair criticism because they've been in these spots over a period of time left unsaid. And Jenna hinted at it there certainly when she's talking about the players is what he has built. Why they've been able to not have a year like the Ravens had or the Bengals had or got. Even the Chiefs. And I know they've won the championship where it just crumbles. Never crumbled under Sean. They were still able to get it there. But the idea that Sean McDermott is out this season really does stun me. And I know we have plenty of time to talk about it. Just kind of. I never would have thought that Sean's not leading them into the new stadium next year because of all the things truly because he now and then the question is, what about Josh Allen? Because you guys can say whatever you think. Josh Allen and Sean McDermott had a very good relationship. The article we just read about was that Sean would. Josh would stop over the house, have.

[Brandon]

Dinner once a like weekly and talk.

[Mike]

With the kids and hang out. I mean, I'm not saying that that means Josh wanted him. That never thought there was issues because there always is issues with the coach.

[Brandon]

Again, we're not being naive and.

[Jenna]

Or.

[Brandon]

I know I've said before on this channel the fact of. I feel like I've turned into the Sean McDermott apologist and I've made the comments that it's easier to blame Sean for things because nobody has a Go, Sean, go sign, and there's no Sean McDermott jerseys that fans go and buy. But it is just. It's shocking because of the culture and because. And I've said before. I think we talked about it. We went to Jacksonville where we talked about this exact topic.

[Jenna]

Right.

[Brandon]

With Sean coaching for his job in Jacksonville. And I said, you move on from coaches when the locker room quits for the coach. And you can see it. Teams feel it. You. You can. You can see it with your eyes.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

When you're like this, this just isn't working anymore. I never got that sense of the Bills team. And to your point, Mike, like, they never have collapsed. They have never crumbled. And we've talked about how important culture is. And I just look at culture being important. Talent's important, too.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And they have draft Sean Mc. I saw this stat that Ben Solak posted that Brandon bean has drafted 58 players since Josh Allen. Two are Pro Bowlers. Pro Bowlers. Oh, Cook and Knox.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Jenna]

How many would be all pro for draft picks? Ray Davis.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Jenna]

In terms of first team, I'm saying.

[Mike]

Yeah, first team, I'm saying that's also not.

[Brandon]

Yeah, let that sink in.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, we sit there and I can sit here and say, culture matters. Talent wins you championships.

[Mike]

And I. I will apologize to all of you guys. I think we all agree on this. People ask me, what's the chances of Sean getting fired? And I said, 0.0. Like, I didn't think this was happening. And I felt even more so as the. They won the game in Jacksonville and the. The way the game played out in Denver. I did not think that was on the head coach. And so I was wrong. I mean. But the reaction from inside the building, too, is.

[Jenna]

I just think about what that reaction was like. Like the players and the teams. I said to you it was very strange that they had not announced the end of the season press conferences, because usually after the season they announce open locker room. You go to the locker room and then it's okay, we're going to have Sean McDermott talk at this time and Brandon being talk at this time. And I was like, that seems very strange to me that they haven't said anything.

[Mike]

I want to ask you about something because you mentioned it when we were flying back yesterday about the emotion of the team.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And a sense of something. Did you.

[Jenna]

Do you think, well, here's what I Thought and I told this to you when we were waiting at the gate to go back to Rochester. But when you are that emotional and that raw and there's that much things have to change, like there is. I feel like it's to the point where things, things break down, where it's like we need to do something now. In my head I thought that that meant they would move on from Brandon Bean. I thought Sean McDermot, the way he's coached this team, the resume that he has and the belief that the team has around him, that I felt like he was such a permanent fixture, truly that's what I thought. And I thought, you know, being some of the picks that have been made, some of the decisions, some of the free agent signings, I could see why there would be maybe a need for the Bills to move in a different direction. And then waking up today, they obviously did decide to make a change, but they stuck with Brandon Bean now giving him a promotion and firing Sean McDermott. But I just think to me, when you see that much emotion, seeing Josh crying the way he was seeing the locker room, that emotional, I feel like almost that's a point where it's like, hey, we, we got to go to like counseling. Like it's like we got to figure this out. And obviously the Bills decided a breakup was better instead.

[Brandon]

Stability is so rare in the NFL, but also so valuable. We talked about whether it's coordinator position and what I also been thinking about today, this, there's got to be more change coming because you're going to get a new head coach who is going to want to bring in his staff.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So you're getting a whole new staff and this roster has been assembled poorly or un poor. Poorly or good. Well, words for Sean McDermott's team. I expect now a lot more changes to come to this, this roster.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I agree.

[Brandon]

I guess I look at that and I say like there's going to be.

[Jenna]

Now, now there will be a different head coaching philosophy. And with every head coach comes a philosophy and the fundamentals that make them the team that they are. And Sean obviously more defensive minded head coach and he had the way he wanted to build his roster, whereas now you're going to have a lot of players that are still from that old philosophy, but you're going to have a new philosophy that will probably value different things and do things in a different way. And you're right about coaches. Coaches a lot of times will be with a certain head coach and then they leave. And that means the other Coaches are going with them.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Or you have a new coach coming in and they have their guys that they want to bring in. There will be a lot of, there will be an influx of new. For a team that has surrounded themselves with so much continuity and success, I.

[Brandon]

I think that's an important thing that we have to address too. This wasn't a floundering Steelers team that was going eight and eight every single year. This is a team that won five straight division titles. And so like to your point, the only thing I'll push back on you saying is that like yes, he's a defensive minded head coach but it wasn't like he was running a 1950s offense like he wanted a physical team.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

But to sit there and say like again if you want to go bring in and we can get to in a minute, like who's next? Like if it is a Clint Kubiak, if it is an offensive minded coach, Brian Gable, you're going to have to bring in different pieces to fit that like a thousand. I'm actually your point where I think you're right. That's why I see this as major, major changes are going to come to this roster.

[Mike]

Well, I'm going to say this. Brandon Bean better have an idea of who he wants as the head coach because you're in this. I mean at least the idea and you would think he does because if you're selling this to Terry Pula, you're saying one, you're saying we got to do this now because there's openings and people like Brian Dable who he's up for which job was it? The Titans head coaching job, coordinator jobs. Like if you want to make a move, you got to do it. Clint Kubiak is with Seattle, highly thought of oc. He's doing it with, with Sam Darnold now a guy who hasn't been a head coach. I will say this. Sean's defensive philosophy may be the type of thing they feel they want to move off of. In this case I think that is an easier change than it is Josh Allen because you have established that offense like that offense doesn't except for the wide receiver position. You know, you have your own line, you got your running back, you have your quarterback. It's not like you're changing any of those things. That would be the part I would say you better bring in somebody who fits with Josh Allen. Right. As far as who's going to be running things.

[Brandon]

Right. But we would already said that like the, the offense needs to be retooled yeah. Like, I'm. I'm now thinking this whole roster is going to be reset. Like this isn't. This isn't moving on from Stefan Diggs and things like that. Like, this is, like I said, coordinators, guys that have been there and players like Jenna said that fit what they're trying to do. You're now going to have to retool everything.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And defensively, I don't see Bobby Babbage now staying.

[Jenna]

I don't see that.

[Brandon]

Because the new head coach is going to want his defensive coordinator.

[Mike]

Also, I don't know if Joe Brady is staying.

[Brandon]

Correct.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Right.

[Jenna]

That's. Yes, I completely agree.

[Brandon]

Joe Brady said three head coaching jobs in this past week. Interviews.

[Jenna]

Yeah, sorry. I do think too. People are saying some, some people in the comments are saying, you know, I, I'm. I'm happy they moved on for Sean and all that stuff. I think you can have your opinions. Of course, he has been the most successful Bill's head coach since.

[Mike]

Since Marv. Yeah.

[Jenna]

And so for him to be fired, it is shocking looking at the record. And I know sometimes the national media, like, they needed to make a change. You know, he didn't get over the hump. I just don't think that this was the year that if you're going to make A M major change, I don't think it was Sha McDermott that held the Bills back from the Super Bowl.

[Mike]

And I would also say this for Brandon Bean. There's certainly multiple reasons to be critical of the roster decisions that he has made, some better than others. You know, you could go back to the Von Miller move and say it was a good move, guy had an injury, it didn't work out all those things. But I would think that even if you take a step back and look, this is the worst year he's had as general manager. No question, because it just, you know, some of it was injuries, too. They tried on defense. They drafted a bunch of guys, we have no idea, you know, who can really play. But every one of them seemed to get hurt. They brought in free agents to help him. Wide receiver did not work. This. The whole wide receiver conversation fell on him. And he, you know, I saw Jeremy White put out a poll this morning on wgr. If you had move on from one of them, which one would you have moved on from? And the results were 92% being 8% McDermott from the fans. And I think if you would have done that poll, go back any other year, it would have been not 92 to 8 but it would have been more for sure.

[Brandon]

Talked about this on the channel.

[Mike]

Right.

[Brandon]

Like we aren't the. The homers of everything's perfect and things like that. I feel like we've been in. In being drafted Sean and Bean has assembled a. Of 50.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Sorry. Words are hard right now. Drafted Josh and has assembled a divisional winning perennial contending roster.

[Jenna]

I'm just so curious.

[Brandon]

Taron Johnson just posted on his IG stories. Smh.

[Mike]

Yeah. With the. You, you to your point, Dan and Janet about major changes. Boy, this will. This is not going over well now. Players are resilient. This is the sport they play. There are changes made. They're not going to be happy about it, but I do think this opens up change of almost anybody.

[Jenna]

Oh for sure.

[Mike]

On the roster outside of, you know, I mean it's Josh Allen. Yeah. And Josh, I don't know what he knew. I cannot imagine that this decision certainly was not official without talking to Josh Allen.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I don't necessarily mean that Josh had to approve it, but he certainly would have been given the heads up that we are going to do this. And look, it's the owner's decision. Right. It has to be the owner's decision. But he had to have been led in that direction or put in that direction. And Brandon Bean got a promotion.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So it's Brandon Bean leading this way for the new head coach. But you are going to see this. I have seen people comment here that McDermott, the players, you know, he wasn't. He was too much a players coach. He was this and the. Listen, you can say what you want about Sean's decision making. You can say what you want about his defense and all these things. Dan said it a bunch of times and you just said it. Janet. They didn't lose the room. There is the utmost respect for Sean in that building and that's not why he's out. He's out because there was a power struggle and the general manager won.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And they're going to go in a. In a different direction. And so some of these other things like we can talk about some of the names.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Cam Wolf tweeted talk to three players this morning who, who are just learning news head coach Sean McDermott has been fired. They were all shocked. One texted WTF.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

She'd manic thank you for the super tip saying shout out to all the Bills beat reporters who thought that, that this wasn't going to happen. So yes, we were wrong. We, we did not, you know, else.

[Brandon]

Didn'T think this was Going to happen. The Bill's players.

[Mike]

Yeah. And Sean McDermott. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, hey, if you. If you're one of those people that wanted Sean gone, congrats, like, you got what you wanted.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

To that. I have always said, careful what you wish for. Like, I've always thought that going back to the 13 seconds here or coming up short, where Tyler Bass misses the field goal at home, when you had Kansas City at home in the playoffs, what. What's out there that you are certain will be better than what you have? And that's my only concern. I understand if you want to sit there and say, enlist the stats, and I'm sure people will say it, that it's been, you know, seven years with a head coach and quarterback that haven't made a Super bowl appearance. They don't make them, like, the Elway comparison, the Peyton Manning comparison. I understand all of that, and that's valid and fair. Like, Sean's not without faults and flaws. But all I'm saying is that be careful what you wish for, because what you've had has been pretty good.

[Mike]

It'll be interesting to see the candidates because obviously this job goes to number one.

[Jenna]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Mike]

I mean, you could say, you know, Baltimore is a good job. You know, Pittsburgh's a good job. Right. Because they've been teams that have won. But obviously, the bills, with number 17 as your quarterback, goes to the top of anybody's list in terms of, you know, somebody's mentioning, like, Clint Kubiak here, and he's with Seattle, they may very well go to the Super Bowl. But if the Bills contacted Clint Kubiak now and said, we want you to have this job, that's the kind of place a coach is going to want to go to. So I'm not disagreeing that they can't get their choices. The question is, who are those choices?

[Jenna]

You would. You would like to think that they've. They're. They got a plan in place when. When they're doing this, when they are, but I just can't get over the suddenness of this decision, how. How sudden it does feel. And if we're thinking this is sudden, I can't imagine how players are feeling right now.

[Mike]

Yeah. Jimmy Doyle, the rest of the AFC east is relieved right now.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I agree. I just. I.

[Mike]

I'm gonna throw a few names out there to tell you that. Just stop. Rex Ryan is talking about Bill Belichick.

[Brandon]

Horrendous.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Rex is clownish on the air.

[Brandon]

And, oh, Rex also, after he said Belichick he said himself.

[Mike]

Of course he was himself.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

People talking about Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is not coming to Buffalo. I know you're going to say, well, you said Sean McDermott wasn't getting fired. John, John, John Gruden hasn't coached, got a lawsuit with the league. He has screwed up quarterbacks after he won the Super Bowl. They're not going for somebody like Jon Gruden to coach Josh Allen. But there are, there are people out there that, you know, will love the opportunity to coach Josh Allen in this case. But I don't know, you know, like you said, and by the way, like you guys saying about staff, this is, I mean, this is. Bobby Babbage is going to be gone. He'll be going with Sean, probably wherever he goes, because Sean's going to get a job if he wants to coach right away.

[Jenna]

Now immediately becomes a very attractive head coaching candidate. Maybe he goes to Cleveland. Maybe he, I mean, maybe he goes to Pittsburgh. Like, I don't know.

[Brandon]

Tomlin is also under contract. So if you want Tomlin, you have to trade to get Mike Tomlin, which we have said before does not make any sense.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Also, like, I think Stefanski is a great head coach, offensive minded guy. He's already been hired by Atlanta. So, like, to some respects, you're already, you're behind with a coaching search. Guys are already interviewed, guys are already taking calls and talking with teams. Brian Dable has already talked to, interviewed for the Tennessee Titans head coaching job and he's also been interviewed for the Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator job, which would be a great fit for him.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So like you're, I almost say, like, you're even not, I understand Clint Kubiak, but like you're not even necessarily getting the pick of the litter.

[Mike]

You're making a good point because what I just said was when people are saying you guys didn't know about it, people around the league didn't know about it either. A lot of times this is floating out there and people are like, hey, change is going to happen in Buffalo. So that would mean every guy out there looking is keeping one eye on Buffalo. Right. And Stefanski or somebody like him is sitting there going, hey, Buffalo could be in play. And then they wait. No one around the league, no one around the league expected this to happen right now.

[Jenna]

Yeah. I have a question. So Dominic saying Josh had to sign off on this. Disappointing. Do you think it was Josh had to sign off on this or Josh was told of this? Now, this is speculation, of course, but what do you make of that? Because to me I could see it more like we tell Josh, this situation.

[Mike]

That'S happening 100% it cannot be Josh.

[Brandon]

You don't let your quarterback decide the direction of the organization.

[Mike]

No, but he's.

[Brandon]

Yes, he's made aware.

[Jenna]

But people are theorizing. Like Josh was told this. That's why he was so emotional at the end of the game. Justin saying that. I don't think it was that either. I really don't know.

[Brandon]

Like we said before, Josh was upset because. Upset because for the first time in the five playoff losses that have been heartbreaking, he had a big factor in it.

[Mike]

And you know he's going to feel this, that he helped get Sean fired.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Just like the way, just like remember how hard he took Dorsy Dorsey?

[Jenna]

I was thinking about, he took it really hard after Dorsy was fired and then now I, I just can't believe we're having an, an emergency podcast that Sha McDermott was fired.

[Brandon]

Mike, you talked about it too and going off your point, you know how shooketh we are. Not only that, I don't know if you talk about you have to have ducks in a row if you're going to make this move and shake up the organization to its core. Like Sean McDermott was the spokesperson. We were just. He's been the spokesperson of this team longer than Josh. Yeah, longer than like Josh is the face of it, but Sean's the voice. So you are now going to have a whole new voice and you're also going into a brand new stadium. I don't think you go with some first year, first time head coach.

[Jenna]

I also agree with that.

[Brandon]

Like I, I think you have to go with somebody that has head coaching experience.

[Jenna]

I agree because we, we talk about with, you know, Joe Brady, like giving the keys of the Ferrari to a, a learner, a guy with a learner's permit in terms of when it was Ken Dorsy. But like you can't give a team that's a perennial, you know, super bowl contender a first year head coach. I just, I agree. I think there's just, there's the trials and tribulations that come with learning how to be a head coach. And you would hope to think that that would be ironed out when you're trying to get a team to a Super Bowl.

[Mike]

So Dominic Orini says if Josh wanted McDermot to stay, he would still be there. That's kind of unfair to say. Like, I think the man's Terry Pula owns the franchise as big as Josh is, he is. It's sort of like it's not the same thing, but sort of like with the draft, it's like, oh, Josh like this player and that player. He is not breaking down the tape here. If Terry Pegula with Brandon Bean made the decision to fire Sean McDermott, they are not going to say, well, we wanted to fire him, but Josh said no. I don't think that's Josh either. He's, he does play for the Bills and Sean McDermott is this coach and he has great respect for him. But I don't think he's going to go in there and say now if they asked his opinion beforehand, what do you think about this and about that? I think he would have given high marks to Sean McDermott. Based on the way Josh is, I don't think he would have been saying we need to make a change. So that being said, I can't imagine that the first priority for the new head coach is what you can do with Josh Allen and this offense. Which is why I believe to your point of major changes, it is sweeping changes for this now. A thousand percent offense and defense.

[Brandon]

And we kind of talked about it off the air, on the plane right back getting ready for the end of the year press conferences and we kind of were grinding our teeth because I said Bean will come out and say we're not shopping at the high end stores this off season because of the salary cap. He's going to have to. Because of the new coach. And like we talked about this roster turnover that they're going to. They're going to have to do. They will have to eat contracts. They will have to move on from players and retool this. I like we are two days after the end of the season. Yeah, but it seems like almost a. I guess I wouldn't be shocked if there's a step back and that wouldn't even be at the fault of. It won't even be at the fault of the new head coach. I'm not like already putting it out there of where people say you root against Pl. You root against Gabe and all this stuff. No, but there will have to be like they did in 2017, ripping some things back to the studs because to retool Connor McGovern, David Edwards, what are you doing there? You got to resign Osiris Torrence. You're going to need to find wide receivers. Like you're going to need to find some linebackers. Like there are massive holes. Nobody looked at this Bill's team that was the one thing that really pissed me off about when the national media was saying, this is their year. You can't look at this roster and say, this is a complete team. You just can't.

[Mike]

Jason Bean should have been fired. Missed on a ton of picks, zero depth. Cole Ban better earned this with better scouting, drafting and trades. Now he blew it last year. I mean, I mean, this, this is all fair to what? This.

[Brandon]

Josh Palmer, Joey Bosa, Larry Ogan, Joby.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Michael Hoyt being signed. Two players this offseason that missed half the season because of suspensions.

[Mike]

Yeah. And the, the wide. The. The whole free agency thing. Free agency thing has been a mess.

[Jenna]

This is an interesting comment from Jace saying when you remove the foundation of a building.

[Mike]

I, you know, that's funny. When you were talking about Sean, you said, he's the voice. I, I. This may sound a little dramatic. Say he was the soul of the franchise in the sense of it all goes back. Jo. Josh is the player. Josh is incredible. Josh is why every coach who's out there would want to come to Buffalo. Sean developed that part of the organization. You listen to guys like, you know when Poyer and Hyde talk about what Sean did, and they helped in the beginning, and he built that and built that trust that doesn't get replaced by a brilliant offensive mind who walks in and says, this is what we're doing. And look, you look at the guy like in Chicago that just hit hard. Well, you look at the guy in Chicago who is doing a really good job with that organization. They lost. They lost in such Bills fashion last night. Tremendous play by the quarterback, crazy turnover, bad call goes against them and they lose in overtime. Right. But Chicago. But Chicago was coming off being crap, like nothing.

[Brandon]

They didn't have any culture.

[Mike]

They didn't have any culture.

[Brandon]

Ben Johnson brought like that to toughness, that intensity that we're not going to take crap from nobody.

[Mike]

Right. And, and Caleb Williams looks great and their future looks good and all those things. But in terms of. In terms of what the Bills have in the building right now, the culture goes with Sean. It doesn't mean you can't build it up, but it's going to be totally different. And you got Josh. And you even mentioned the O line because of some of the salary cap issues. There's going to be issues there. New offensive coordinate or new offensive coordinator. Also, there's going to be a new offensive line coach, whoever he's bringing in. And Aaron Cromer did a really good job. That is a strength of the team. That isn't named Josh Allen.

[Brandon]

So we talked about it before too.

[Mike]

Like, we kind of stop with the Jon Gruden. Everybody with Jon Gruden.

[Brandon]

Like, we laughed about and made fun of it at times about bringing players back. Those players didn't come back because of Brandon Bean. It may be a part of it, but they came back to be coached by Sean McDermott and to be back with that culture. So, Mike, when you said like the, the soul leaves like that, that hits, that hits me hard.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And I, I, a lot of the fans, I feel like this morning, outside of some John Grooman gruding commenters, like, I think that most realize that to Jeremy White's poll this morning and I think if they don't realize that now, they will in the coming months.

[Jenna]

Jeremy White, who mentioned about the poll and stuff of wgr said, well, he tweeted this out. Well, the little birdie that told me this morning that McDermott was going to be gone parentheses that I did not believe at the time included in that message that Clint Kubiak would be the top of the list. That is what Jeremy White is saying that someone told him. He tweeted this about 30 minutes ago. So that to me.

[Brandon]

Chuck TR just texted me and said, I feel like my favorite aunt died while my, while at my funeral for my favorite uncle.

[Mike]

Wow, that's.

[Jenna]

It's very.

[Brandon]

Chuck, nobody's dead. Yeah, he's dead.

[Mike]

Yeah. Look, Clint Kubiak is a talented coordinator, family of coaches or players. And do you know what, do you.

[Brandon]

What helps Clint Kubiak, Jackson Smith and Jigba.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jenna]

Yeah, that's fair. Yes.

[Mike]

Players help.

[Brandon]

I just go like, we're just going to.

[Mike]

He's also, he's doing it with Sam Darnold, who's a nice player and he's Josh's friend. The world gets easier when you have Josh Allen, but they.

[Brandon]

It's easier when you have players to help Josh Allen, too.

[Mike]

Yes, but it's nice to start with Josh. It's just a rare thing when a quarterback like this with his success is.

[Jenna]

Going to be looking for.

[Mike]

And listen, Lamar's in the same spot. Right. It's a similar thing. Absolutely. Harbaugh was that guy for the organization and he's out. So. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, honestly, I, I don't.

[Brandon]

Also it's very funny when like my friends text me, like, obviously, like Benny texted you to, to relay the news because I just wasn't on, I wasn't on watch. Like when they fired Rex. We were like, glued to our phones on Christmas, we were like, this is coming.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

I was literally having breakfast with the kids. When are we gonna go in today? We'll record something like this is. Just did not see it coming. And so, like the phone of my friends, like, asking and expecting me to have some level of insight and intel when I can just sit there and say, well, the players didn't know it either.

[Jenna]

And.

[Brandon]

And how do I know that? Because of their reactions.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So.

[Mike]

And like I said, you know who else didn't know it? Adam Scheffler didn't know it. And they're talking with all the agents. That's the point I was trying to make to people the agents for the. For these coaches, coordinators. They talk to everybody. They hear what's out there.

[Brandon]

Yep.

[Mike]

There was no talk of Sean being out at all, so. Because nobody was sitting around going, hm. And look what we've already had in this off season. Right. With the opening in Pittsburgh that happened in World War II was the last opening and an opening in Baltimore. Like, they already had those stunning openings and things that you wouldn't have expected to add. This one, when they added it is. Is a surprise to everybody. But in terms of.

[Jenna]

Yeah. Elite. John, commenting in. Is Bean and Josh talking to the media today? Especially after the firing of McDermott also, do you think Josh had okay it again? I don't think Josh had to okay it. We think it was more of a. They. They obviously had to let Josh know. But I don't think you go through a decision like this through your quarterback, even if he is Josh Allen. But we have not heard yet if the Bills will be talking today. They usually do. They will have to do a press conference. But they have not notified us as of right now at 11:30 on Monday that they are having a press conference today.

[Mike]

And Brandon Bean, from the start of his career in Buffalo has been a very popular person with the fan base.

[Jenna]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike]

You know, big baller Bean, all the stuff that went on. He is getting this promotion at, I believe, his low point with the fans. And then we're seeing it a lot here. And he's got. I would say he's got a lot of pressure now because he's picking the coach. He is got to fix the roster. Like, there's only one other person to blame if it doesn't work now besides Brandon Bean is Josh Allen. Right. Who else is there to blame? He's going to be the only one you know for sure that is back. If you're following me like if you're Brandon Bean. Right? If you're Brandon Bean. That's my point is if you're Brandon Bean, you're like, okay, this is. I get my shot here to do it with somebody other than, than Sean McDermott. And it's a time when the roster I think of these last few years, it's. It's at the low point of the roster in terms of talent, players under contract that you want, players you can't get rid of, bad salary cap position. All those things are in play.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Not ideal if you were hiring a gm.

[Jenna]

Mm.

[Mike]

That is a tough place to start. Where this roster is, where the salary cap is. So he's inheriting his own caused issues while he goes out and gets a new head coach to hand the keys of Josh Allen over to. To run the team.

[Brandon]

So here's another important distinction to make clear now for all the fans that are asking, like, well, what are they doing? You know, what's the next step? League rules prevent the Bills from interviewing candidates on playoff teams. Patriots, Broncos, Rams and Seahawks. And they can't speak with candidates from super bowl teams until after February 8th. That puts candidates like Clint Kubiak, Davis Webb, Shout out. Davis Webb, Chris Shula, Mike LaFleur, Vance Joseph and Nathan. Is it Shalice Shelley.

[Mike]

I don't know how it's pronounced.

[Brandon]

Okay. Off the table for now and possibly into February if those teams. For the team to make the Super Bowl. So if you think that you got Clint Kubiak and that's your number one guy, and we have seen also. Let's not take this off the table for now. Again. I understand it's. It is Josh Allen, but you have to be damn well sure if you're going to wait and wait until February because coaches are going to start to get hard. Teams are already in their third rounds of interviews with head coaches. And if you don't get Clint Kubiak, who you may not be able to talk to until February 8th, is a big, big, big gamble.

[Mike]

And the biggest gamble there is. This is a man who's never been a head coach.

[Brandon]

Bingo.

[Mike]

And you don't have any relationship. I'll use Dable as an example. Yep. They know Brian D. Now they can talk to Brian Dabel today if they want.

[Jenna]

Absolutely.

[Mike]

Yeah, they know him. He's been in the building. He is tight with Josh Allen, run this offense, all those things. Failed as a head coach with the Giants and got fired. But it's a little bit of a different thought in Buffalo because he's A Buffalo guy and all that. But to the Kubiak point, if the guy you were waiting for. And I'm just going to. Dan, your head's going to explode when I say this. If the guy you were waiting for was Josh McDaniels, because he's been a failed. But he's been a head coach in the league before, you have years of Josh McDaniels in the league. Like if for some reason you loved him and wanted him back or there's somebody you wanted back, it would be a little different to say, we're waiting for this guy. You know him. Say, let's say Dabel was coordinator in this, in one of the playoff teams. We know him. We can wait. Kubiak, I don't mean you can contact it. Don't contact his agent. They'll let the agent know we're really interested. But you haven't interviewed him. You don't know what he thinks.

[Brandon]

He doesn't have any connections with Josh.

[Mike]

Also, if you're that guy, you put yourself in a big position of being able to demand things because you're like, they're waiting for me. So when the time comes, you're like, I want this, I want that. Because you need to know and again, who's your staff? Who do you want to bring in?

[Brandon]

Correct. And not only that, the head coach is going to decide his staff. So if you don't get your guy Till February, February 8th or 9th.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Defensive coordinators are gone and you're getting the ninth best defensive coordinator available. Like you are behind the eight ball here.

[Mike]

People keep mentioning Brady, Joe Brady. Now, in fairness for Joe, he's interviewed for who? Miami.

[Brandon]

Baltimore.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Was there one other one? I thought he had three head coaching opportunities. I think if you fire Sean McDermott and elevate from within on Joe Brady, that is tough. And that's not a slight on Joe. That is just this is your big move is to elevate from within.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

A guy that people were certainly frustrated with at times during this season. That would be the case. I think you, you go outside the current organization to find your next head coach who brings with him his offensive staff.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Who brings with him his defensive coordinator.

[Jenna]

I do think that the way you're saying it, just so fans know, like, you're not going to fire a defensive minded head coach in Sean McDermott and hire another defensive minded head coach. This to me says you're going to. To hire a guy that brings his offense is an offensive minded guy and go from there. But I Just the standards for this team are so high. And like you said, the influx of newness, that can sometimes be a good thing. But also, just because it's new doesn't mean it's better. So I'm very curious what this will look like, honestly, if I'm. If I'm Brian D. Like, if you're the Bills, he obviously grew up in Buffalo. There's that connection. He coached Josh like they have a rapport. If I'm the Bills, I want to find someone that I know Josh likes. Like, I know that sounds. Might sound silly, like you want to find the best head coach. Obviously you want to do that. But if they already had a rapport with Josh and the two got along, I mean, that would be massive. But I just, I can't believe we're having this conversation. Yeah, I just never truly thought that this would be the case. And someone commented earlier, like, explain to me how Brandon Bean kept his job and got a promotion, because I think some fans just. Just don't really understand.

[Mike]

I would say if you want to make major changes on the team, it goes with the head coach. Right. If you, if you want substantial changes, you fire Sean McDermott because you're changing the defensive philosophy. You are changing your. Your like, to Janice point, you're bringing in an offensive coach. So even if it's similar, it's different right from the top. You are changing things immediately. Yes. If you change just the general manager, it becomes more of a, let's see what this person can do to help the current roster. When you're making this change, it is sweeping the old. Obviously the only thing bigger would have been just to blow everybody out and bring in a new GM if you wanted.

[Jenna]

That would honestly make a little bit more.

[Brandon]

So I, I thought about that, but.

[Jenna]

Then it's a lot of.

[Brandon]

So Beans got all the scouting, draft coming up, combine coming up. It doesn't make like you're but a little bit behind there. That's a lot of times why GMs get fired. I feel like in the season.

[Mike]

Yeah, except you didn't just keep him on.

[Brandon]

I know you.

[Mike]

You promoted him.

[Brandon]

Correct.

[Jenna]

People are saying, like Jenna, he got promoted because he fired Sean, but BE or Pugula didn't have to then promote him as well.

[Brandon]

That's what I was saying. And a lot of the times, the messages that we saw, which are kind of what we had heard along lines for Joe Shane in New York, was Brandon being, you know, shifter head. Brandon Bean is staying on for now and his job is safe and it was a lot of like the. For now. And so in my head I was like, does that mean he don't go through the draft and is then moved on from the promotion? Means that's not, that's not a possibility. He is now. He is. There he is. He is Pula's right hand man.

[Mike]

And like I said, the structure now goes Pegula Bean, everybody.

[Brandon]

Everybody else.

[Mike]

Well, head Coach now is third and in the current roster it is 1A, 1A Pula and Bean and McDermott until today, because they were, they were equals. They were on the same. All those things.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Were happening. So we're just waiting to see when we get an opportunity to talk to Brandon Bean and Terry Pula.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Terry rarely if ever talks publicly, but he's got to talk now.

[Brandon]

Dolphins, Ravens. I'm trying to think of Joe Brady's jobs, his interviews. Ravens and Dolphins are the ones I'm seeing.

[Mike]

Yeah. Two head coaching opportunities for him. But I would say, depending on who. I mean, listen, you bring in Clint Kubiak. Joe Brady's not staying. I mean, I think Joe Brady would know. Joe Brady probably already knows right now. I wouldn't be very. I would be. I'd be very surprised if Joe Brady isn't interviewed for the head coaching job with the Bills. Right.

[Brandon]

That is true.

[Mike]

That's usually what would happen. Right. He would get an opportunity and then. Because they'll be. They. And they got time to do this now if they're waiting on somebody. But if there's somebody else, like I said, if it was DL, they got to get moving on that because there's other people out there. Plus all these jobs are open. So.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I just.

[Mike]

And you know, be ready, Wild. Be ready Bills fans. And I know we're going to wrap here in a minute, but be ready, Bills fans. You're going to hear Mike Tomlin's name.

[Jenna]

Yeah. Now, I don't think that's the right.

[Mike]

Decision to get a team over the top. That's really something to be saying.

[Jenna]

Mike Tomlin fired Sha McDermott because they couldn't get over the hump and then they bring in Mike Tomlin.

[Mike]

That would be wild.

[Jenna]

That would be trading for Mike Tomlin. Trading for Mike Tomlin.

[Brandon]

So you'd have to give up picks to get a mediocre quarter.

[Mike]

The only guy you're trading for as a coach is Kyle Shanahan because you're going to a different level because he's.

[Brandon]

Had lots of late game success in the NFL.

[Mike]

Yes. He's brilliant play caller and has made a Super bowl and probably could have been at a couple of them. But in terms of you want to elevate the offense, he's a guy that can do that for you. I mean, right. If you're making a change.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That's not. That's not Mike Tomlin. You're going for culture. You just fired the culture guy and you would be going for culture because that's what Mike Tomlin is.

[Brandon]

Correct.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And that's what Sean brings.

[Mike]

Mike Tomlin will get another job. I just don't think it's for Sean Mc or for Josh Allen in this organization.

[Jenna]

No, I don't think so either.

[Mike]

Well, this changes our off season a lot.

[Jenna]

Yeah. Make sure you stick with Buffalo. Plus we're gonna obviously have you covered. Whenever the Bills are in doing their press conference in Orchard park around this, we will obviously be there.

[Brandon]

Bean 1 sure gonna be interesting.

[Jenna]

That is going to be.

[Mike]

Oh, that's going to be together. Right. That'll be Bean and. And Pula at least.

[Jenna]

That's interesting though because I can't imagine they want Terry to be out there. Like I don't know how long Terry would be at the podium for.

[Mike]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Brandon]

Yeah. He'll be there to announce the promotion of Brandon and then turn it over to him.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And then it'll be.

[Jenna]

But I would imagine if they're both at the po.

[Brandon]

Somebody else made an interesting comment too. Talking, you know and we had mentioned the Jacobe Myers comments.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

That Sean McDermott had said a couple.

[Jenna]

Of times throughout he had mentioned the jamarcus Ingram.

[Brandon]

Jamarcus Ingram.

[Jenna]

Maybe this had been building.

[Brandon]

And somebody also pointed out too that.

[Mike]

Before the trade game, by the way, Marcus did.

[Jenna]

He did.

[Mike]

Yeah, he did. I mean it was on Hail Mary.

[Brandon]

But you know, you had at the trade deadline press conferences, Brandon Bean said he thinks that they had a Super bowl caliber team. And that was what Brandon said. Super bowl caliber roster.

[Mike]

And what did Sean say?

[Brandon]

I love the guys. Brandon said, we have a Super bowl caliber roster right now. Sean McDermott said, I love this team.

[Mike]

I will say this. I don't think there is a Bills fan out there who agrees with they have a Super bowl roster. Maybe I'm wrong. Comment in if you think that you have a Super bowl quarterback, you got a few really good players you do not have. Doesn't mean you couldn't have made it. But you do not have a Super bowl roster.

[Brandon]

And again, I was never watching. I was not on the sidelines of that game going man, there were coaching decisions that were. I disagreed with, and that's being objective. Like, there was a lot of times when Jenna made the good point of a big play came down to Brandon Cooks, who you signed in week 13.

[Jenna]

Yep.

[Mike]

God, this whole time, we didn't even mention Keon. Like, that was the guy you got to help. Josh Allen, Kair. Yeah. The top draft picks have been rough.

[Brandon]

And you have signed and extended and put your money into some guys that have not really performed well.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Big changes.

[Jenna]

Okay. All right, that'll do it for us. Thank you for joining us on this emergency podcast that none of us saw coming.

[Brandon]

Tons of numbies. This is the most we've had. 77, 000 people watching throughout. 77, 0007, 700.

[Jenna]

Oh, I was gonna say. I was like, that would be okay.

[Mike]

Aren't you people working?

[Jenna]

Well, a lot of people are off, though.

[Mike]

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Oh, that's right. I didn't even think of that. Yeah, you said, we're gonna go live. And I was like, oh, Monday at 10:45. What are we doing here, guys? Yeah, people have tons.

[Jenna]

Tons more.

[Brandon]

I didn't even shoot Sean walking off the field because it wasn't even in my brain that this could be Sean's last time walking off the field as the Bill's head coach.

[Jenna]

I don't think Sean knew that it could be his.

[Mike]

I saw one report, and I don't know how accurate it was from a national person that said McDermott was surprised now. Very surprised. Like, I don't think he walked in there. I got no sense in his news conference or anything. Obviously, the refereeing part took over the news conference, but got no sense in.

[Brandon]

All in that somebody else made the. Was asking me, like, did you think that Sean's comments. Comments were because he was fighting for his job? And I did not get that sense at all.

[Mike]

I saw somebody about. He was pandering to the crowd. First of all, if you just heard that one clip and thought that's all Sean said was that I'm doing this for Buffalo. He had gone on and on, explaining the details of what he did on the field, trying to get the. And by the way, to add insult to injury, the play in the game was so similar.

[Brandon]

Unbelie. And I called it. I said it in the pod. I said, we're going to watch a play on Sunday and we're going to go, is that a catch?

[Mike]

Even more than any of the other ones, that one was as close to the same exact thing. And by the way, I think they were both catches. I think they were both catches. But the NFL and then, and then we have time to talk about they.

[Brandon]

Reviewed devonte Adams catch for five minutes.

[Mike]

And then, and then it was a catch. And then at the same clowns that are the, the, the water carriers. Well, not just them but the, the former officials. Yes, they all, whatever it is, they're going to agree with 100%.

[Jenna]

So, all right, the Bills making this move, they think it'll be a step forward for them. We'll see what this will look like and we'll have plenty of coverage as the Bills make big decisions down the road about what they will do at head coach. All right. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We will catch you next time here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel.