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JOSH ALLEN on schedule, roster construction for DEFENSE & VACATION Mike avoids a fight at the pool
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Bean's been on a lot of stuff. They're doing a tour.
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They have been. We made a joke because when they went to the Sabers game, Bean and Brady Dan was like, do they let. Do they let Joe Brady out alone?
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Now, from the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is Buffalo plus, your interactive look at the week in football.
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All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana back from his vacation. Dan Fates enjoying a day off. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe as well as share. We are here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio. We're going to talk today about a little update to Josh Allen, where they're at in terms of roster construction right now for the Bills as well as what they still need to do. We're going to hear about vacation Mike as well. We're gonna get into it. But first off, Mike, how was your vacation?
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It was really nice. It was really nice. Family, several generations, right? My daughter, her husband, two little babies. They were a blast. We had a lot of fun.
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Love it.
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While I was on vacation, I did listen to the podcast. Outstanding job. I missed out on the little field trip to the new stadium because I'm sure you had probably talked about this. We had skipped scheduled one for the next week and then the Bills decided to do it that way. So you guys got a chance to go up there. So as a little FOMO there not being able to go to the stadium, I know we'll go there and have plenty of opportunities, but it looked like it was fun. The day was fun.
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Yeah, it was awesome. Like we talked about, Bill Stadium is they, they've done a really nice job. I'm excited for fans to get in there and see it. But yeah, it was, it was a cool day. If you haven't checked out that podcast, it's available on our feedback. Got some really great feedback about it and we actually show you the video we took while we were doing the stadium tour. So I do highly recommend you check that out. All right, let's talk a little Bill stuff because NFL owners meetings out in Phoenix, they're going on shortly. And we got to hear from Joe Brady. He did an interview with the NFL Networks, Tom Pelissero, just about Josh Allen and you know, him taking over as head coach. And he talked about how Josh Allen is on schedule for off season activities. We know Josh did have foot surgery earlier on in the off season. What do you, what do you make of that?
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That's very positive because you never know how it goes, the last time we all saw Josh in person, he was on crutches, you know, and saying, yes, I'll be ready. But there's one thing to say and there's another thing to do it. Now, Joe said in that interview Josh could barely walk. Okay. Like, he could walk because he could run. The dude does play through everything. And he limped. We saw the limp. Yeah. The biggest moment was when he actually got hurt. I don't know if we ever showed that video because now we're way past it, and he's had surgery. But Dan had the video in Cleveland.
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I thought it was. Was it Dom?
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Oh, it was Dom.
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Dom of him walking off the field,
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and he walks off with a slight limp. And then the second he got to the tunnel, it was a pronounced limp. And that's the opposite of some guys who would be like, oh, look at me, I'm limping. Josh didn't want anybody to see that. And, man, he was hurting. And then he came back and played, of course, that he did. So I think just because he plays through everything, we just assume he comes back all the time. So I think in fairness, it's good to get that kind of an update because we haven't had a lot of that with him in the off season. There's always some he's nicked up. He's this, he's that, but he's fine.
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It is wild for a guy that means everything to the franchise. We really have not talked about him at all this off season. But it's funny you say, too, because we were talking about it before we started recording this about, like, oh, Josh, and he's on schedule for off season stuff. And I was like, well, yeah, but you forget that he did have surgery and he did have that injury nagging throughout last season. And just because he had surgery doesn't automatically mean he was going to be ready in time. But a breath of. Of not fresh air. But what's. What's the phrase I'm looking for?
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I don't know.
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I don't know either. I just meant.
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I know what you meant.
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You can relax.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's like, okay, he's on schedule. Do you think? Just his family growing, Even Haley bringing welcoming in their baby whenever that happens. Do you think he'll be around OTAs and stuff as much?
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He shows up to everything. I mean, last year he showed up and we were like, he's not going to be here because he's having the wedding. And then he. There he is, and he's There and then, you know, then they got in the jet and they flew out. I mean, that's cool that they're able to do that.
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You don't have that.
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It was funny though. He got. He got the extra leg room on Delta to go out there.
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You see that new thing where you
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can have lay down.
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I don't know how I feel about that.
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So if you've ever tried to lay down just in a regular row when you go, oh, nobody's in this row. You. It's impossible, really. It's just awful. And they get, you know, because the, the armrests are just atrocious. They. They use those for torture for people. If you ever laid on anything, I
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feel like a shrimp.
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Yeah. The way you're curling and so it's bad. But I think it's United.
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I don't know.
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We flew United once last year.
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We fly a bunch.
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No, we hadn't in a while. Kind of liked it a little different. I think they. The great app, United. You got a great app. No free ads, but they got a great app and they are coming out with this where you can lay down. So what I didn't understand was, do you buy the whole row? I mean, how do you get the row?
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I think so. I don't know how it works, but I was like, oh, we do have to fly a decent amount, especially this upcoming season.
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So, yeah, we got a lot of trouble.
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I don't think that'll be.
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That's not for Josh, right? It might have been.
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No.
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The PJs, as they say. The privates.
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Yeah, that be pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Do you think though that he will be at as much stuff this spring? I mean, he has. He has a great reason to. A lot more time for his personal life now.
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Yeah.
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So I could see that being the case, but also knowing Josh and just how much he is around, I feel like he'll. He'll still be at everything.
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Yeah. And look, he can work around stuff. And he does have the pj. He does have that. And I do.
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I don't know if he has.
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He has access to Jack. Yeah. I do think he. Well, first of all, it's his first baby. Their first. He should be around. We don't know. I think some of it's going to depend on when the baby is born. The baby could be born next week. Like we don't. I don't know. He's going to want to be there for all of that and then he can go and. I mean, the dude showed up Like I said the week of his wedding when we thought he's not going to be there. The plus is it is still Joe Brady. It's that offense. Yes, there are some changes. He's got D.J. moore, he's got. He's got some new players, but it's. It's a lot of similar people back.
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Yeah.
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So even some of the guys they brought back, like Trent Shearfield has been there, you know, all three of his tight ends, four out of the five offensive linemen. So there's a lot of similarities. But I think. Yeah, I think he'll probably. I don't. I'll put it to you this way. The non mandatory in some cases, a guy, a different player, and I mean this too, from a different position because it's hard for the quarterback to not be there to make it work. But let's just pick up, let's just say a running back. Let's just say James Cook was going through stuff in his family, having a bit, whatever it was, and he decided to take a few of those off and then come back. I think that's not that big of a deal. But when the quarterback's not there, I think he realizes it. Plus, you know, new system, new head coach. I think he wants to be around, so I would assume it, but I think it just depends on how everything goes.
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Yeah. You mentioned the new head coach. Joe Brady and Josh obviously have a ton of familiarity this week with it being the NFL. We're recording this on Sunday, the NFL owners meetings in Phoenix. So it's not just the NFL owners, though. It's going to be GMs out there, Brandon Bean as well as the head coaches. And this is another step for Joe Brady. Now he's doing these meetings. Like, there's a progression to becoming a head coach. We know he's obviously been hired, but it's like, okay, you're gonna do the combine now. It's okay, you're gonna do the NFL owners meetings, then it's the draft, then it's OTAs. But this is like the next, next step for Brady.
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He's talked a lot this offseason. I mean, like, a lot. Like, we've interviewed him a bunch. He's been on a ton of podcasts. Like, and I get it, they were getting their guy out there. It's just been. He's been on a lot of shows, a lot of interviews. The Bills have had him on multiple times. Everybody else, we interviewed him at the combine. Brandon Bean's been on a lot of stuff. They're doing a tour.
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They have been. We made a joke because when they went to the Sabers game, Bean and Brady Dan was like, do they let, do they let Joe Brady out alone?
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Yeah, it is. You know, and I, I kind of, I kind of get it.
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I get it.
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It feels a little more like if he was a brand new coach.
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Yes, I mean, we do.
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Joe's been around. This would be his fifth year with the team. Right.
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Which, yes. Obviously people know about him and just who he is and what he brings. So it is interesting though because it's like, oh, it's another opportunity for him to talk. But I feel like he has had a lot of exposure out there. Now. I, I wanted to get your opinion on this because we didn't talk about this. So Lance Laskowski of the Buffalo News did article. He did a interview with Joe Brady and you could find that on the Buffalo News. And one of the quotes that I've seen pulled from that article is just that Joe Brady wants this to be the most challenging training camp yet. And I didn't know if you had heard that or if you had any thoughts on that or what. Now that you're hearing it now, what do you, what do you think of that?
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That's really interesting to use the word challenging.
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Let me, let me get the direct quote.
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Yeah.
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Because I don't wanna, I think, I don't think challenging is the correct quote.
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Yeah.
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I want this, this is quote. And this is from Lance's article. I want this to be the hardest training camp we've gone into.
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So you could use that in multiple ways. There are certain restrictions on what they do physically. I don't think that necessarily means they're going to be in pads four days. I mean, there is, there is limits on those things. I think maybe it could be also mentally challenging. They're going to try to get things ramped up a little faster, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Like, like we said, they got a lot of continuity. I don't think there's anything wrong with him starting with that. Also, when you're the new head coach, you can always back off, but you can't start out late and then make it tougher.
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That's very true.
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Right. They all knew. Sean, I hear you. And you know, Sean listened to his players in terms of schedules and everything. They did. And I think Joe Brady will do similar things. It's not like he's going to say we're getting up at 6am and we're going to practice. Like he's going to do what works for the players too and make it work. But yeah, I guess I understand that. I. I don't. This is not, you know, 1993 where you know, they could just put them in pads every day. And back in the when I first doing this, they were in 2 a days all the time. So there's only so much physically they're going to do. But you know, maybe it's a little more of that that they haven't done. I don't know.
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I think about like for you how wild training camps must have been. Especially I should say you, the players.
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Yeah.
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Like 2A days in the grueling sun, full pads, Just how different it was.
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Practice back then was old school practice. It was a lot of scrimmaging and hitting and I don't think they really thought about ever practicing without pads. Like you're playing football, you put your pads and your helmet on and you go play. I could see why you have these old videos. Even when they used to do these like one day mini camps when they would come to like Fairport in Rochester and they were pads on like, you know what I mean? Like it's football practice. When you were a kid, if people are certainly my age or even close even really like a lot of times you're gonna practice, it's with your pads. Like you had your pads on, you played and so it is so different. But the idea that he wants to, you know, know make it a tough camp, I think that's, I think that's fine. I think want you want it to be highly competitive. Look, they've had that too. I think we're going to hear a lot of stuff that sounds like it's a big change. But they've had challenging camps. They've had relatively tough camps within the rules of what the NFL allows. And I think this team has usually looked pretty prepared by the time the season starts. Gotten off to good starts almost every year. So I think that's fine. I do think he needs to establish himself as the head coach.
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So I think this is a way for him to continue to establish that he's the guy. Yeah, like hey, training camps. I know it's been. And I'm sure If you're Sean McDermott and how the Bills were you, you got into a rhythm of like, here's what training camp is going to look like. But this is a way to be like, no, this is not the same old what it was. This is now, I'm Joe Brady, this is my team. This is how training camp's gonna go. And I think it. It makes sense to me why you would want to have it challenging and want it to be a different change of pace.
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Yeah.
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And again, that's not to disparage that what they did at camp before wasn't hard enough.
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Yeah.
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I think it's just a way to emphasize, like, it's going to be different. And that's. I feel like that's what you say.
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Yeah.
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You're not going to be like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be so easy. Like, you're just like, no, I. I want this to be really, really challenging. That's. That's what a head coach should say. And that's what Joe Brady.
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Maybe he's gonna limit the turkey burgers.
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I mean, that might cause an uproar.
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They do love the turkey burgers.
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Yeah.
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They're not that good.
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I shouldn't.
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Sorry. Fisher. We love Fisher.
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But I think they're good. I think they're good. But it's like anything. You know, when you're like, oh, this restaurant's super hyped. And then you finally try it and you're like, yeah, yeah, it was good.
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Yeah.
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Like, I feel like that happens all the time, which is fine. That's. That's okay. But sometimes you see stuff and you're
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like, oh, you know, oh, my gosh. I've said it before. My wife Jenny makes better turkey burgers than they do a Fisher. I can't invite everybody over, but Jenny
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does make an amazing turkey.
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Yeah. And they're probably not that healthy for you.
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That's what makes them good. Yeah, I know there's very few things that you're like, this is super healthy. Well, I shouldn't say that. I feel like cooking is. There's pretty. Some pretty incredible cooks, but for the most part.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of butter.
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Yeah. All right, so in terms of roster construction, where do you think they're at? Because this is kind of the lull free agency has gone through.
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Really. Is the lull now.
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It really. And then the. The draft is less than a month away. Coming up in Pittsburgh. Where do you assess, where they're at in. In the completion of the roster and. And what work still is left to be done.
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I think they're in pretty good shape on the offensive side of the ball. Right. They got all their tight ends back. Everything's going. I think Will. We haven't officially heard Kincaid. Right. That the fifth year option. They have until May. Something they're gonna. He's gonna get the fifth year option. Beans already said that. They brought in, obviously, DJ Moore, and then they brought in a guy like Trent Sherfield this year. I still believe they're going to draft a receiver somewhere, but they're in pretty good shape. I did the Austin Corbett move. Looks like a pretty solid one to bring a guy in who can be that left guard if it's not Alec Anderson, like, they'll compete. By the way, Lloyd Cushionberry iii.
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It's a dope name.
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Doesn't he sound like he's like a British royal? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. I was like, really?
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Yeah.
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Announcing Lloyd Christianberry iii.
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That's like one of my best friends. I'm not gonna say her husband's full name, but it's like. It's like royal sounding.
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That sounds like a royal.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Royal name. By the way, that guy is interesting, though. 80 career games.
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Talking about your friend, I was like,
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yeah, I don't even know who you're talking about.
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It's M. Whatever.
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Oh, okay. All right. Well, I didn't know which one of your friends. Yeah. Lloyd Kushenberry III played 80 games in his career, all starts all at center. Wow. Yeah.
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That's interesting.
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So it doesn't necessarily mean he can't play another position. I still wonder about Cedric Van Pran Granger.
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Yeah.
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Unless there's a thought that he could play some guard because he hasn't really played a lot. But anyhow, that was just the thought you said. Where they are. Pretty good shape, I would say, supplemented by whatever they do in the draft. Puts them in a spot.
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They're in flux. But it's supposed to be because the
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draft is coming up, Ray's coming up, defense. I got work to do.
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Yeah.
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So Jim Leonard's going to be taken over. And I know there's some people that think there's this magic switch that Jim Leonard is going to have because he's different than Sean McDermott. And I don't know if you've heard this, Jenna, but he wants an aggressive defense. You know, they like. Everybody likes saying that Jim Leonard is also a smart guy, played in this league. Limited coaching in the NFL, has not called plays in the NFL. What I think Jim Leonard knows is Sean McDermott's damn good defensive coach. And just because he has a different approach to the way he wants to play, it doesn't mean he thinks all I got to do is come in and bring in this system and it's going to be great. He needs guys. I think there's some Hope on some of them, some of it's going to get played out. I think that's what's going to be the most interesting thing of the off season. Seeing how guys from last year. Where's Deion Walker going to play specifically? Can TJ Sanders step up this year? What they get out of Max Hairston? I assumed a starter. Sure, why not? First round pick.
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Penciled in.
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Penciled in. Let's see how he plays. CJ GJ it's so hard to say is CJ Gardner. Johnson's right, he's the starter. You would say coming in right as the veteran, it's on a one year deal. They're very likely going to be drafting a safety somewhere. Pass rusher is the place. That is what this defense needs. And I'm looking forward to how Greg Russo plays, but he's not been a standup linebacker. I'm looking forward to how Michael Hoyt plays. He's coming off an Achilles, right.
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I think sometimes that's where I get a little concerned or frustrated because I think sometimes people are like, oh, well, Gregor, so it's a D. If it's a different defense, so he's going to excel now. And that's what sometimes talking to people, that's what they say. And I'm like, I hear that because there's the optimism that comes with new. And I'm not saying I don't want that to happen, but I do think you mentioned like Greg Rousseau has never played stand up linebacker before. And so there. It doesn't automatically mean like, oh, now he's gonna take this huge jump. And I think sometimes that's what people equate in your mind, like, oh, well, this guy can do this and this could. This is gonna happen like this way. Which I get because this season's not here yet. But I think there is so much newness involved that it makes me a little anxious to see how it does play out.
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Yeah. And I think if they're in, in the draft now, when you get in the draft, they're going to be looking for traits. I really believe that. And I think they need that twitchy, bending type, Jerry Hughes type player. I know you love your Jerry Hughes, that type of guy that can really excel in a pass rush situation. Also, sometimes those guys are the ones you take the shot at later in the draft that have the physical traits that wouldn't be a top pick because they don't do everything more like specialty players. Take your shot at him. They need a guy with that. I say twitch Twitchiness. Right. They really do need that. That has not been their strength on defense.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Good players, you know, well rounded players.
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Yeah.
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But I think that's the part, this defense, you know, it's funny, people say they need a guy like Bonino from. From Denver.
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Yeah, well, yeah, every team could probably.
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Right?
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Like, yeah, we would love that.
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Yeah. I mean, that's what they're going to look for. So I, you know, we've not talked to Jim Leonard since when he first got hired. Yeah, I'm very curious as to what he thinks about what he has and what he needs and what he expects. Like, we're penciling in people in these positions. Let's see what he thinks.
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Do you think the Bill's approach to this draft and you mentioned them trading back and I absolutely could see that being the case. But do you also think if. If you're Jim Leonard, you're like, hey, like the top pick or like, I know they don't have a second round, but like early on you want to get your guy because of how impactful that is for the defense. Do you think that that is now? Because I know a lot of people are saying like, oh, could they go Casey Concepcion at 26, like, if he's on the board, do you take him? But do you also think they look at and say, all right, Joe Brady, we got you. DJ Moore, you obviously have Josh Allen, James Cook. We need to address the defensive side and have Jim Leonard get a player that he is knows will be a fit.
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I think when GMs get themselves in trouble is when they think like that. I think Brandon Bean knows enough that when he's sitting there, he's going, there's a couple of players. If they're in my orbit, I don't care. Like, let's just say he love Concepion that much.
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Rochester guy, right?
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And it's close or falls to him. He's got to be like, I'm taking him. Doesn't mean he said I'm taking a wide receiver. It means that guy, Omar Cooper, guy like that, right? He's like, he fell to me or I move up two spots and I get him, but his mind is on defense or my mind is on trading back and picking up an extra pick. So I get another pick in the top 100 and moving back a few spots. So I do think they put themselves in a spot to not feel desperate.
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Interesting.
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Do you think they are at a single position?
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I think it's different though. I think because there's there Feels like there's holes like linebacker.
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We don't know that.
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I'm like, yeah, you could go a. You could go many different ways and I'd be like, I get why they did that.
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Yeah. I would say because you're Matt. This is not knowing what Jim Leonard actually thinks. But if you're mapping out the defense to me, yes, there's a hole at another corner. No question. They need maybe two more corners that can play on the outside and play special teams. We'll see what they think about the pass rushers. But I don't think there's any question there's going to be somebody who plays edge coming in this draft. I think linebacker is fascinating because Terrell Bernard. Let's just pretend Terrell Bernard was a free agent this year. Would the Bills have been interested in him?
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I don't.
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Yeah, right. That he's on their roster and he's getting paid this year. So we don't know that. But to your point, he may be sitting there going, or maybe they've talked about it. There's a series of guys at linebacker or at edge rusher that they're like, if we get close on these guys, we're taking them in the first round and we'll deal with it later. So that's what I think is going to make this draft potentially interesting that way. But it could also be one of those Thursdays you wait the whole time and then they trade back and trade
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out of the first round just based off our job. I hate that.
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Yeah.
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But I, I also get. It's like what the Bills want to do, but there's just. I feel like there's so much excitement. It's the first round. It's so exciting. And you're waiting so long. You're like, okay.
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Yeah. I think it's part of. It's the way we do the draft because it's 32 picks in the round. If you think a bit, you would think another place. Say you were at 48 and you move back to 53.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay. But when you move from round one to round two and day one to day two.
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Yes.
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It feels like a lot.
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It's mostly because I'm impatient and I just like, I get it. Like, it's exciting. Draft night.
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Well, being told me he's always aggressive.
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B
Do you think if you had to put it percentage wise, Percentage, the Bills.
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A
I like where this question's going.
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B
Trade up 10. Yeah.
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A
I have 50. 45% state. 50% stay where they are.
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B
Okay.
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A
50% stay where they are really 40% trade back, 10% move up. I just, without that pick. And I know there's people right now in the comments going might still bitching about the second round pick. I love them having that pick.
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B
I think it's about wide receiver too.
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A
Yes, it's the dumbest thing to do, but I think that makes it a little tougher to move up. Unless again they fall in love with somebody and they're right there and they have a move to make. Maybe that means nobody wants to trade picks for 27. People are talking about this 27 drift. I know, I know a lot of times when that comes up, it's about quarterbacks. I think that's also plays into it because there's supposed to be a series of quarterbacks and when you don't need a quarterback, everybody else falls back to you. But I think because of the nil, there feels like there is an influx of players who are going to be coming out next year. So a lot of people are excited about that draft. But you know, depending on who you're trading with and moving up, you, you throw something out there. You know, let's just, for example, say you make a trade next year's number one for a two this year and you move up like whatever it happens to be. So you move up in the draft, you give up next year's number one and you add a two. I'm just trying to think of a way that you could say we're adding players or you get a two or a three for next year that you could maybe make a move up. I don't know. I don't know if he'd be that aggressive. That's why I say 10 move up. I'm not expecting it.
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B
Yeah. And if I, if they did move up, in my mind it would be like three picks or.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Below.
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A
And what that costs. Well, last year. Well, when they made the deal with Keon, they drafted back, they moved twice. Yeah. But when they made the. From whatever they were at like 28 till 33 when they went to Kansas City, they ended up getting a third round pick for that. They moved back and got a third.
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B
Dwayne Carter.
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A
Dwayne Carter. Yeah. So if you think about that, you move back and you picked up a third. Okay.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. It's not like it's. I think it would be hard to get another two unless you were trading back a substantial amount into the second round. Like if you traded your first round pick and went back to 4:45.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Then you and then got another two. But that'd be a lot to wait that long.
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B
That would be a lot. That would. I. I don't really.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I don't really see them doing that, nor do I want them to do.
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A
So are you with me on the percentages?
- [27:45]
B
I would say 50. Move back 40%, stay put. 10%.
- [27:50]
A
Yeah. I just. I. I'm not expecting. Of course, that's probably what will happen this year.
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B
No.
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A
Because he's moved up.
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B
I really like. If I was a. If I was Uncle Dan's best bets, I would not. The long shot is definitely move up in my head.
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A
Yeah. Without the extra. Without the extra ammunition.
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B
Yeah. I just think with how they are in terms of the top 150 picks. They're really. They only have three.
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A
Yeah.
- [28:14]
B
Do you want to do vacation mic or is there any other. I will say it's so funny to me because you're texting us while you're away.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I'm like, this man can't wait to get his takes. Like, you're like. You're like. And about this and this. I'm like, yeah, yeah.
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A
I just.
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B
You stay pontificating. I know it.
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A
Not that much there.
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B
No.
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A
A lot of times.
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B
That's what I'm saying. Because you couldn't. Like, there. People weren't gonna
- [28:41]
A
come up to me. Yeah.
- [28:42]
B
Well, no, people weren't asking you for your takes. But also, like, Jenny doesn't care about your.
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A
She doesn't care.
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B
I totally understand.
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A
Doesn't care at all. So I can say we were in Aruba.
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B
Okay.
- [28:54]
A
Yeah.
- [28:54]
B
So I didn't know if you wanted people.
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A
That's fine. We were in Aruba. A lot of people in western New York go to Aruba. It happened to be a week where there was not a lot of Buffalo, Rochester. People there saw people wearing Bill's hats. You know, some just, you know, regular people down.
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B
Business card out there.
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A
Yeah, they. They saw. They. I was wearing some gear while I was down there, but most of the time, you know, you're kind of anonymous when you're there. Just there like everybody else.
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B
So out of town Mike.
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A
Out of town Mike. So out of town Mike. They have one of these pools, it's called Lazy River. Okay. So it goes and winds through it. Pretty cool. So I'm down there with my daughter and her husband and my two of my granddaughters, 4 and 2 years old. So Lazy River. Most of you kind of know what we're talking about here. Moves like three miles an hour. And it takes you through and it's nice. People of all ages are on there. People bring in the little kids and you're just going around. So it's this big, huge pool that goes around the whole thing. And there's about six different places. You can just walk on there with like three little steps. You can stand up in the water. It's not like. It's so my wife. My wife and my daughter. No, my wife and my son in law and the one girl, Gemma, get in the water. So Blake, the older one who can be a lot, is with her mom and me and we're starting to go in the water and Blake puts the hold on it. I don't want to go, you know that. I don't know, whatever. So I'm standing there, it's three steps. I have my back to the pool like nothing. And this is 10 seconds into Blake sort of flipping out here a little bit. Not even. And I hear this guy behind me as I'm standing there on these steps, and I just hear him go, are you gonna move? And I was. I didn't hear. And he goes, I'm talking. Are you gonna move? So I turn around and I look and there's a guy there with his. Apparently his wife appear a little older than me, I'm guessing. And he looks at me, he goes, I need to get through. And I'm standing there with a four year old and all I did was just sort of look at him and I'm like. And he goes, did you hear me now? First of all, he could have basically walked by me. And I did the thing that I know just pisses people off. I just stared at him and I did not say a word. And that infuriated him because I'm standing next to her and he starts walking up and I'm just looking at him. I still have not said one word. And he starts walking by me and he goes, are we going to have a problem? And I just stared at him and stared at him and he walked away. And I knew by not saying anything, it just ruined his moment. Then there was a lady next to me who goes, that guy wasn't. Yeah. And I go, yeah. And I'm like, first of all, you're. You're on vacation. And. And I'm sort of in the way. I'm usually. I try to be kind of conscious of that, but as a four year old next to me, it's not like I'm laying there drinking a beer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And all he had to do was come up behind me and ask yeah.
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B
Oh, excuse me.
- [32:40]
A
My daughter was like that. What was with that guy? Wow. And he just stood. All he had to do was come up next to me, and I would have moved. Cowboys fan, probably bad parenting, but no. And I was like, are you kidding me? And then I just sat there for a second, and then he just walked away. And so it's not somebody who's watching a podcast, but if you are, well, you're a jackass.
- [33:05]
B
Wow.
- [33:06]
A
Yeah, it was really something, especially in that setting. It's not like you're up at the bar trying to get something to eat, and that sounds good. You know, it's like, just take another lap around the thing and relax.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Honestly, the no speaking is a power move.
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A
It really. And.
- [33:24]
B
And that goes against everything that you do.
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A
Oh, it was so hard for me to not say anything, but I'm out of town. Like. Like, nobody knows me. I'm just, like, just standing when I say that. You know what I mean?
- [33:34]
B
Yeah.
- [33:34]
A
It's not like I'm just standing there. Nobody's going, oh, Mike Catalano was a jerk. These people don't know me. And I'm just standing there. And then he and his wife didn't say a word.
- [33:45]
B
I wonder. Well, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I would. I.
- [33:48]
A
Well, you might have said, oh, hey.
- [33:51]
B
Yeah, just. Yes, that's fair.
- [33:53]
A
Hey, dude, get on your little floaty and go 10 more feet.
- [33:56]
B
That's unbelievable.
- [33:57]
A
It was really wild. And I never. Those. Most people are in a pretty good mood while they're there.
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B
Yeah.
- [34:03]
A
You're at a resort, the weather's nice.
- [34:05]
B
You're in Aruba.
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A
Yeah, it's. You know. Yeah. He was an angry, angry dude.
- [34:11]
B
I. That's, like, upsetting to think about.
- [34:16]
A
It's kind of ironic because my daughter was with me, and I can remember one time when she was a teenager, she got so mad at me because I would not respond to her flipping out, and I just didn't say anything. She was screaming at me, oh, my God, here we are, many years later.
- [34:35]
B
Yeah.
- [34:35]
A
Vacation. So anyhow. Oh. Other than that. Is great. Was great to be away. I did miss kind of with the takes. I didn't have a lot of takes. And I listened to the podcast, which I very much enjoyed.
- [34:46]
B
Oh, good.
- [34:46]
A
It was not a lot of. Not a lot of news going on.
- [34:49]
B
No, Just a stadium tour, which was cool.
- [34:52]
A
Yeah.
- [34:52]
B
But. Yeah. Wow. That's. That's like one of those moments where you're just like, what is wrong with that person?
- [34:58]
A
What is wrong? Yeah, this was. Because there's other times, you know it. Walking on the street, cars going by. Yeah. All that is, like, normalcy.
- [35:07]
B
Yeah.
- [35:07]
A
Then you're like, oh, the guy's mad because I didn't pull out of the way or walked in front of him where he was going or cut in front of him in line. It's like. Yeah, no, this was not at, like, JFK airport.
- [35:19]
B
Yeah.
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A
This was.
- [35:20]
B
You know, you're at the Lazy River.
- [35:21]
A
The Lazy River.
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B
Chill out, bruh.
- [35:23]
A
Yes.
- [35:24]
B
Okay.
- [35:25]
A
Maybe I should have thrown that line into him as he walked out.
- [35:28]
B
No.
- [35:28]
A
Oh, he was angry. Yeah.
- [35:31]
B
That's such a good. I need to, like, put that in the. In the tank, though. Like when someone's yelling at me. I mean, I don't get yelled at
- [35:37]
A
often, thankfully, but just like, really just stared them down.
- [35:39]
B
Yeah. My go to is usually. Yikes.
- [35:42]
A
Yeah. You say yikes?
- [35:44]
B
Well, I say it under my breath. Yeah, yikes.
- [35:47]
A
I just looked at them.
- [35:49]
B
Yeah.
- [35:51]
A
Yeah.
- [35:51]
B
In my head I say yikes. I'm not that bold, but yeah. Okay. All right. Anything else?
- [35:59]
A
No, that's it. We'll see if anything goes on at the owner's meetings. By the way, they're going to. If they vote for that thing where they allow teams to trade five years in advance. There's some stupid teams in this league for the smart teams. Let them make those rules. Let them trade five years in advance because the dumb teams are going to be trading number one picks three years down the road, four years down the road. You know, it's just. It's a. NFL is different than the other sports, man. You. It's hard to give up those high picks, especially when you, you know, could the Bills trade a. A first round pick five years from now? Sure. Because you don't know where they're going to be. But if, God forbid, Josh decides in four years, I'm done.
- [36:44]
B
Yeah, you're like.
- [36:45]
A
Because I've won four straight Super Bowls and I'm finished. Going to want that number one pick. Right. It's hard to do that, but that's one of the rules that came up. And no Tush push vote this time because the Eagles stunk at it. So the league just decided to stop that. I am curious as to how the Bills will be with that this year.
- [37:03]
B
What do you mean?
- [37:04]
A
They're going to run the Tush push?
- [37:06]
B
Yes. Yeah.
- [37:07]
A
Yeah. Because they got the.
- [37:09]
B
The Buffalo, the bu. Yeah, okay. Sorry. I saw like a brain breaking news ESPN thing, but it was just about the college basketball. Yeah. Yeah.
- [37:19]
A
By the way, I have Duke to win it all. I'm in a pool with over 2, 000 people and I'm in 556 place.
- [37:28]
B
Proud of you.
- [37:31]
A
I went out on a limb. Yeah.
- [37:33]
B
Wow.
- [37:34]
A
By the time people watch this, maybe you can't beat them anyhow, so.
- [37:37]
B
All right, please be sure to like comment, subscribe and share. Check out these stadium podcast video if you have not already. Like I said, Dan and I went to the ST tour, had a lot of fun. We have the video of what we saw at the new Bill stadium so be sure to check that out for Mike who's back and Dan who's away. I say away. He's just away at home.
- [37:57]
A
Yeah.
- [37:57]
B
Relaxing.
- [37:58]
A
Yeah. He's relaxing with the three kids. Yeah.
- [38:00]
B
I don't know how much relaxing, but he's off right now.
- [38:02]
A
Yeah.
- [38:03]
B
All right. For Mike and Dan, I am Jenna. Thank you so much for watching the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel. Buffalo plus it.