REACTION to Patriots BAD Super Bowl LX loss + What it MEANS for the BILLS + Life Advice!

Summary

Buffalo Plus: Super Bowl LX Reaction, Patriots Fallout & Bills Outlook (+ Life Advice!)

Episode Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
Episode Theme:
This episode dives into Super Bowl LX, where the Seattle Seahawks dominated the New England Patriots, breaking down what went wrong for the Patriots, how it impacts the Buffalo Bills' AFC outlook, and closing with the show's signature round of audience life advice.

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1. Super Bowl LX: Patriots’ Crushing Loss (02:52–17:32)

Main Discussion Points:

• Seattle Seahawks defeat Patriots 29-13: The hosts agree the score did not reflect how lopsided the game felt—Seattle’s defense overwhelmed New England, particularly rattling young QB Drake May.
• Patriots overachieved: Mike gives credit to the Patriots for reaching the Super Bowl with a roster that lacked true star power, saying, “Congrats to them for getting that team to the Super Bowl, because ... they were not a great team. They were a team that took advantage of all their circumstances” (02:59).
• Game breakdown:
  • Seattle’s blitz-heavy aggressive defense stifled the Patriots’ offense.
  • Drake May looked lost, coming off multiple sacks and mistakes—“Drake May was seeing ghosts. Will Campbell was seeing ghosts. ... That was an embarrassing way to lose because it was not a game, like, very early on. ... They had 53 yards of offense, and the joke was, like, ‘Bad Bunny had more yards of offense in the halftime show’” (16:19).
• Historical context:
  • Recent Super Bowl losers (like Eagles and Chiefs) struggled the subsequent year. Dan predicts: “I don't think the Patriots are making the playoffs next year” (06:53).

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• Mike on Patriots’ path:
  • “If Sam Darnold could hit on a few throws ... the game would have been a blowout.” (04:25)
  • “Watching the Patriots ... crumbling and seeing how this team, we talked about the schedule all year long ... and their fluky way to get to the postseason ... It just felt like a little bit of redemption.” (09:18)
• Patriots coaching missteps:
  • Mike criticizes Vrabel’s conservative approach: “He had to coach his butt off to get this team to the Super Bowl ... I thought the Super Bowl was too big for him. I did not think he had a good day. I think he should have been more aggressive.” (14:44)

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2. The Drake May Debate: “Aura,” Frustrations, & Patriots’ Future (17:36–25:59)

Main Discussion Points:

• Drake May’s On-Field Presence:
  • Dan introduces the debate over May’s lack of “aura”:
    “Boy, he's got like, negative aura. ... Drake May to me just has like, meh. Energy.” (18:31)
  • Comparison to other QBs: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Mahomes–all have an intangible field presence or “aura” May seems to lack.
  • Mike says: “I think he had a few ick moments for his teammates, did he not?” (23:00) (explaining locker-room unease with May’s playoff performance).
• May’s accountability: Hosts praise May for owning up after the Super Bowl:
  “He also said ... I'd like to start the whole game over and do it right.” (14:26)
• Patriots’ long-term questions:
  • Coaching, offensive coordinator, and overall roster build are in question.
  • Stefan Diggs called a “non-factor,” likely moving on after one season: “I think it's going to be a one and done.” (25:42)

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3. What Does It Mean for the Bills & AFC? (26:30–41:34)

Main Discussion Points:

• AFC East landscape:
  • Confidence remains for Buffalo’s place in the division, as both Patriots and Bills face offseason uncertainty.
    “If you're the Bills, you're a little bit of like this idea that the Juggernaut Patriots are now going to rule the division. ... Both teams have a lot of work to do in the offseason.” (27:32)
• Bills' Roster and Offseason Focus:
  • Greatest needs: playmaking wide receiver (“true number one”) and defensive depth.
  • Dan’s takeaway from Seattle: strong defense helps, but elite offense/WR is crucial—“The way to neutralize a really good defense is to have a Puka Nakua or Devonte Adams. ... That’s something that the Bills are missing.” (30:00)
  • Mike suggests attacking issues on both sides: “Why don't you try to do both? ... Get Josh a wide receiver … help with the defense.” (33:08)

Notable Quotes:

• “Some games, no matter how good your defense is, you gotta score 30.” (31:00, Dan)
• “The Bills’ issues with the salary cap are more Josh Palmer than they are Josh Allen.” (34:09, Mike)

Key Roster Decisions:

• Question marks at OL (Connor McGovern’s price, replacements) and free agency targets.
• How new head coach Joe Brady adapts to playcalling (from the field, not the booth), and integrating Jim Leonhard’s defensive vision.

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4. Life Advice Corner (42:16–59:44)

Main Discussion Points:

• First Car Stories (44:03–47:59):

  • Each host shares their amusing teenage “first car” anecdotes, e.g., Dan’s “1992 maroon Toyota Previa,” Mike’s “1978 Monte Carlo T-Tops.”
  • Audience is invited to share their first car stories in comments.

• House hunting & moving tips (49:13–53:41):

  • Advice for listener moving to Rochester/Syracuse post-military.
  • Focus on “365 problems”—features that could be daily annoyances (steep driveways, kitchen layout, water pressure, lack of storage/closets, etc.).
  • “Pay attention more to the steak than the sizzle” (53:07)—focus on a home’s fundamentals, not flash.

• Local Rochester food traditions—Garbage Plates (53:43–59:42):

  • Detailed explanation and history of the iconic “garbage plate.”
  • Favorite spots: Nick Tahoes (the original), Charlie’s (Webster), Dogtown, and others.
  • Host opinions range from enthusiastic to “for that reason, I am out” (Mike, 54:17).

Notable Quotes:

• “I don't like the cinnamon … I do like a garbage plate, though. I will just get like, Frank’s Red Hot…” (54:46, Jenna)
• “Every place … has their own hots place. ... It's kind of wherever you were is what the plate that you grew up up on.” (57:19, Dan)

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5. Memorable Moments & Running Jokes

• Aura debate: Spirited and humorous—Dan on Drake May: “Boy, he's got like, negative aura,” and Mike on May’s “ick moments.”
• First Car Nostalgia: The Previa “death trap,” Monte Carlo “cool card,” and dog hair-filled Subarus.
• Garbage Plate logic: “Did I eat it or did I rub it on my face? … I am. I am [disgusted].” (58:03, Dan)
• Meta self-critiques: Hosts joking about their repeated words (“I need to stop saying, obviously…”, 28:36).

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6. Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:52] – Recap of Patriots’ Super Bowl loss
• [09:18] – Schadenfreude at Patriots’ “karma” loss
• [17:36] – Drake May “aura” debate
• [26:30] – What Super Bowl means for Bills and AFC East
• [30:00] – The value of elite WRs (lessons for the Bills)
• [33:08] – Building both offense and defense, not just one
• [42:16] – Life advice intro
• [44:03] – First car stories
• [49:13] – House hunting and 365 problems
• [53:43] – Garbage plate primer and local recommendations

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7. Conclusion & Audience Engagement

• The crew wraps with: "Comment your first car, your favorite garbage plate place, and your takeaways from the Super Bowl and what you think it means for the Bills!"
• Typical lighthearted camaraderie, personal anecdotes, and a focus on WNY community and fan interaction.

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Summary TL;DR

This episode analyzes the Patriots’ humbling Super Bowl loss and what it signals for the AFC and Buffalo Bills, with in-depth roster discussion, playful Q&A, and a healthy dose of local flavor (literally, with “garbage plate” guidance). The Buffalo Plus team blends sharp Bills analysis, sport psychology banter, and practical life advice in their signature upbeat, community-driven style.

Transcript

[A]

I don't know how to use this phrase properly, but I've heard it a lot when you would refer to like an ick moment to somebody. I think he had a few ick moments for his teammates. Did he not?

[B]

Now, from the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is Buffalo plus, your interactive look at the week in football.

[C]

Welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We are here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio. Today we're going to be talking about the Super Bowl. Our takeaways from last night's Sunday night's game as the Seattle Seahawks winning and beating the Patriots 29 13. So our take on that, what it means now for the Bills, as well as a little life advice at. Hey, Buffalo plus, we had a lot of fun with that.

[B]

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[C]

Do you want.

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[B]

Shout out Winston, Connecticut. If you're. If you're from that area, drop in the comment about the person that would our podcast, Pete. Shout out Pete was helping us with a big fan and helping us within the company we love. Pete goes, do you guys have family there? And I said, not that I'm aware.

[A]

Of, but if it would have been Laramie, Wyoming, I said, okay, I get it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[C]

Yeah, very funny. So shout out Winstead, Connecticut. Winstead, Connecticut.

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Bristol.

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[C]

It's 30 minutes from Bristol.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So it's not close to the city.

[C]

I don't know okay, let's get on with it. Michael.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

The Patriots lost in the Super Bowl. What'd you make of it?

[B]

I know where Mike's going with this.

[A]

Well, the first thing I would say is congrats to them for getting that team to the super bowl, because let's be honest, and I think even the Patriots know this. They were not a great team. They were a team that took advantage of all their circumstances, and they won, and they won a ton of games. They made the super bowl in large part because they came to Buffalo early in the year and beat the Bills, Put the Bills on their heels the rest of the year. That Dolphins lost. Put it in the. In the backseat. I don't think without that win, this team wins the division. If they don't win the division, they don't get a high seed. Oh, I get fined for that.

[B]

Nice. Look at Mike.

[A]

I think that, you know, I. I think I know what that was. I'm getting invited to play golf.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Of course.

[C]

The outfit very much.

[B]

We live streaming this.

[A]

No, but I would say that they. They took advantage of all that. But when they got there against that team, they got handled in the game. And I don't think the final score reflects the way the game was. They got dominated in the game. It was a rough day for them.

[C]

And it's back focused.

[A]

It's the focus bad.

[C]

No.

[B]

So sometimes. Sometimes it picks up Mike's laptop. Both you guys with your laptops. Sometimes it picks up your laptop as focus. I know we've had people comment in about our cameras.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sometimes things are out of focus. We're doing our best.

[A]

So to the point of the game went. I picked 31 17. It ended up being roughly that kind of score. I thought Seattle's defense obviously was the dominant one of the game. And. And the truth is, if Sam Darnold could hit on a few throws because he did not have a great game, the game would have been a blowout.

[B]

See, what really this is, is that Mike's Philly is coming out a little bit because he's a little bit annoyed by how much love the Seattle defense is getting.

[A]

It's not about.

[B]

No, it is. It is. Just. Just admit it. It's okay.

[A]

I know everybody is prisoner of the moment. They watched the. They watched.

[B]

See, I nailed it.

[A]

Okay, so they watched the A game in the snow. The Patriots. And it was. Romo was like, when have we ever had a game like this? That was the Eagles and Rams the year before. And then they're talking about in the super bowl, when have we seen a team be this dominant on the defense? Mean, that was Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Andy Reid, two time super bowl champs in a different way than Seattle did it. I would say the Seattle way is pretty damn entertaining because they come with blitzes from everywhere and they just, they just tortured Drake May in that game. I mean he was, he was off whatever game he was going to have from that first blitz when they got him on the sack. And it's funny, with Sam Darnold in the game, Drake May was seeing ghosts in that game.

[B]

Oh, Drake May was seeing ghosts. Will Campbell was seeing ghosts. Like they.

[A]

Mike Vrabel too.

[B]

Yeah, this was.

[C]

And that's coaching decisions.

[B]

That's why it was funny because I kept thinking like, is this the worst performance we've seen in a first half from a quarterback? It's like, no. Last year Patrick Mahomes was horrendous. And as Mike pointed out earlier today when we were in the car together, Mike pointed out the Eagles or the, the Chiefs didn't have a first, their second first down until the third quarter.

[A]

Well, they got one on their first drive. No, but I'm saying is it. But that game went that way. Like they had a couple of good runs. Seattle or Seattle gave up a couple of his plays, but when he dropped back to pass, it was Armageddon. And I think what would concern me if I'm the Patriots is my quarterback and my left tackle. My top picks the last two years, Andrew, left guard. Yeah, they were bad. I mean, but this is, this is your third overall, fourth overall pick.

[C]

Yeah, whatever it was.

[A]

And your quarterback, Drake May was really good this year. He was not good in the playoffs.

[B]

Yeah, I have a, a hot take which maybe isn't, which maybe isn't even that hot of a take.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

I don't think the Patriots are making the playoffs next year.

[C]

I don't think that's that hot of a tape.

[B]

I preface that. I don't think it's that hot.

[A]

The last two teams that lost in the super bowl missed the playoffs the next year and the Eagles made it the other year when they had lost the super bowl and they barely. Well, they got in and they got beat in the wild card round. So the last three years the team obviously didn't win a playoff game. So it is, it is a tough thing to get all the way to the super bowl and lose. That's where you have to give the Chiefs a lot of credit. I know nobody wants to do that. Them Keep. They keep going back and getting to the championship games and getting back to the Super Bowl. It's. It's tough to. Obviously, it's tough to get there. It's harder to get back.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, Dan, that is a pretty hot take, though.

[B]

Mildly spicy. On the, on the hot ones, it'd be like six or seven. I don't think it's the, The. The hottest one because, look, I watched that game and as soon as the Seahawks won their game in the conference championship, I instantly placed the bet and locked it in at three and a half. Because now, again, the Patriots have been a part of a lot of weird Super Bowls and have won Super Bowls where they are not as the more talented team, but the Seahawks were just so much better at pretty much every single position.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I looked at that and I went, this is. Now, again, they had the advantage of a lot of guys. Milton Williams has played in Super Bowls. Variables. Don't coach them. Josh McDaniel said, coaching a ton of them. Like all of those things. But it. It felt like a Week 8 Thursday Night Football game. Like, how? And again, I know people are like, oh, it was an awesome defensive showing. And I get it. The Seahawks defense deserves a ton of credit. I really want to knock down what the Patriots offense was because there were guys that were open and Drake May just missed them. And give credit, I guess, to the Seahawks for the constant pressure that even when he had time, he missed throws. But there were guys open. It wasn't like the Seahawks had everything locked down. Hunter Henry was wide open for probably would have been a 50 yard gain early in the, in the third quarter that could have flipped the game around. And he's missed him by a country mile like that. That was a spot where. Country mile. No, no, no, you're good.

[A]

I was just gonna say you loved the game, didn't you?

[C]

I was literally thinking to myself, that was awesome. And it wasn't high flying. Watch the offense go or, you know, oh my gosh, points galore. It was just watching the Patriots that had talked so much smack about how no one believes in us and no one thought we could get here.

[A]

And.

[C]

And then in the big moments, the offense just crumbling and seeing how this team, we talked about the schedule all year long and then being in last place and how they had a fluky way to get to the postseason in terms of the playoff wins they had to go through. And then having it. The biggest moment, Drake May getting sacked six, seven times, multiple turnovers, multiple costly turnovers. It just felt Like a little bit of redemption. I feel like for other people that were like, I didn't think that Drake May was the MVP this season and he played well in the regular season. But to be the team to go all the way to the super bowl and then go out like that, that was. It was awesome to watch as not a Patriots fan, but if you're a Patriots fan, you got to be like, damn ugly game. And you have questions now about Drake May because since he has played the Bills and Warren Sharp had talked about how Sean McDermott his defense cover but how cover six, how effective that was against Drake May earlier on at the end of the regular season and how it's a copycat league and other teams are going to adopt that and you've seen other teams play that. And just the unsure footing that Drake May has been on since that game. And look, he's won games. But I think you look at it as more of the defense was a job that got it done for the Patriots to get there. But watching that game, it was awesome because it kind of was like you talked a lot of smack and it all went down like that.

[B]

So that's your PG version. Give us the PG13 version of what you were saying in the group.

[C]

I don't think I can. I just. It was.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I. I don't. Jenna.

[C]

That was.

[A]

Enjoyed the game.

[C]

I did because I just.

[A]

Well, first of all, if this was any other team, you might be thinking, oh, but it's just that aura of the Patriots and what they have been and you felt like if they had a good game and they somehow won, it would all kick back in. Like I agree was this was not Tom Brady losing 4133 in the Super Bowl. And it's back and forth.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

This was an ass whooping. Like it was similar to last year in a sense of like one team was a lot better and the quarterback was lost. And you know, it's, it's. The difference is with Mahomes last year, I mean, that was bad offensive line. That is so rare for him. He looks so lost. Drake May hasn't been there yet. And I made this point of saying, hey, if Josh Allen somehow played four playoff games in 2019, who knows what he might have done because he didn't have the experience. Somehow Drake May and the Patriots won those other games.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And they did it with defense and some good fortune and some.

[C]

Well, yeah, I do think I agree with what you're saying. Like, it was awesome to watch the game as a Non Patriots fan. But if I am a Patriots fan, it's like, okay, Drake May, it was in his second season. You see the connection that Mike rabel has. Josh McDaniels, like, you know, kind of the proof of concept. You saw how good that defense is now. Teams are obviously going to be different year after year. What are they going to do? Like, Stefan Diggs being a non factor was kind of funny. But just in general.

[B]

But he did spin that football. Yeah.

[C]

But just in general, I think if you're a Patriots fan, you are hopeful about the team and the direction that they are going.

[A]

When you talk to your friends that are Patriots fans, you're like, oh, it's, you know. Or you talk to other people. You're like, may's fine. He was great. But when you talk to your friends who are really fans of the team, you're like, he didn't really look good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, there has got to be a little level of concern. And he's young and we can really say this second year in the league. But the. My only point is usually a guy would not have four opportunities to play as poorly as he did and still advance. So he put up some tragically bad numbers, made a few nice plays with his legs, had a couple of nice throws in that Chargers game. Like, you have to really search for the really good stuff. Except for Matt Collins making place.

[B]

Of course he did.

[A]

Of course. It's Mac.

[B]

Yes. I was telling Mike that if I'm Drake Mays pr, I'm getting a minor surgery. I'm getting something. I'm getting something. I'm getting something on the books. I'm checking in to a facility to get some work done.

[C]

I do love how after the game he said, I did get an injection. When I first saw that, I was like, o losers link limp. But then he said, I listened. He was like, but it didn't affect me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm like, okay, you said the right things. In my eyes. Yes. Your shoulder bothering you. You had to get an injection or do whatever, but that is not why you played that way.

[A]

He also said, I like that he owned it.

[C]

That's accountability.

[A]

Over he goes, I'd like to start the whole game over and do it right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Josh played five weeks with a broken foot. Like, we're gonna sit here and no, but.

[C]

But I'm saying that the mindset, I think that's important mindset for Drake May to have and that shows me that he is resilient, is the fact that he can be accountable in that moment.

[A]

That's what I did. Like what Vrabel said in that point, he goes, yeah, we can learn from this. If we actually learn from it and get better to get back in that spot. We got outplayed. We got AL coached. Did get out coached. Mike Vrabel gets a lot of flowers, and he deserves it for this year because he took a team that was one of the worst and got him to the super bowl, which is crazy good. And he had to coach his butt off to get this team to the super bowl because their offense really didn't give them a ton. Defense played well. They were situationally good as a head coach. I thought the super bowl was too big for him. I did not think he had a good day. I think he should have been more aggressive. I know the idea was, I mean, 12 nothing. You've got the ball fourth and three, and you're punting the ball. It was like. It was punt, punt, punt, punt. And then late in the game, not going for two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just. That is a brain fart there for him. Like, you cannot do that. When they were kind of back in the game.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Gotten themselves within the two scores. So I just thought the whole vibe of his team were on their heels the whole way. Except for Christian Gonzalez, who was really good.

[C]

Yes. He's an excellent baller.

[A]

Honestly, they didn't have a lot of spark and at some point, turn your team loose a little bit, see what you got.

[B]

But that's. I tweeted that I felt like they were playing like they were in a blizzard again. Like, it was just so conservative.

[A]

I thought Jared Stum was still their quarterback. Maybe they played a bit like the way the Broncos played.

[B]

And I get it. Like, the Patriots went to the super.

[A]

Bowl, and the Bills have not been correct.

[B]

Like, I get all that stuff. That was. That was an embarrassing way to lose because it was not a game, like, very early on. Like, they had 53 yards of offense, and the joke was, like, Bad Bunny had more yards of offense in the halftime show carrying the football than the Patriots offense did. Like, all of those things. It was one of those things where it's like, when we talked about schedule merchants and all those things, it was like, we weren't wrong. We were just early. Like, if it all came to fruition there and. And again, I don't really know if it would have mattered who from the AFC played Seattle, who. Because they were so dominant. They really were. And there would have been better games.

[A]

I. Jacksonville would have given him a better Game again. Bills would have given him a better game.

[C]

Healthy Denver.

[B]

Yes, all of those things. But it did feel like that was the first time where you felt they were the team that had the easiest schedule in three decades. Playing on that stage. And this all. All of the. Nobody believes in us. We're proving all the doubters wrong. It was like it had that feeling of shadow.

[C]

I hate the haters.

[B]

Yeah. By the way, a little bit of that.

[A]

Nothing really wrong. He doesn't talk any trash. He seems like a good.

[B]

I have a take on Drake May.

[A]

Okay, so do it before I tell you because. What? No, let me just say this. He does elicit some phenomenal nicknames. Oh. Oh. Start out with Drake. Maybe in the beginning.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The schedule.

[C]

The schedule is pretty good.

[A]

The schedule is pretty.

[C]

I saw. I saw Drake met. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That was fun.

[B]

And again, he had a very good season. I think he can. He was awesome in the regular season.

[A]

He does a lot of things really well. He can move. He's got a great arm. He threw the deep ball, all those things. But I thought they. He got rattled in the game. He looks like Eli did not have a good game.

[B]

His tackle, well, he's the best scrambler in the NFL. Yeah, I love Taro, but like best scrambling quarterback. I say statistically, he did catch his. I'll say this.

[A]

And Chico might have had his mind still in the Olympics like 10 minutes after the game back to Italy.

[B]

And we've had Giardi, who is the president of the Drake May fan club. And I don't mean this. I don't mean this as hard as it's probably going to come across. Boy, he's got like, negative aura. Like, and I go back to his first down ceiling run against Denver when he got up and did like the weirdest, like, first down thing. Like, I think about even Philip Rivers, like Peyton Maine. Like, obviously Josh has aura like, where it's just like you. You feel like the team feeds off their energy. Drake made to me just has like, meh. Energy.

[A]

Yeah, you could say that. So at the game, you saw Joe Montana out there. Yeah, Joe Montana. Joe Cole. Very laid back in the way he did everything. It's, I think, not high. Yes.

[B]

But in the way of doing that is part of like, I think you.

[A]

Have to be who you are. I think that's who Drake May is. Am I missing something there?

[C]

No, I agree. I think that he is kind of like vanilla. But personally, I would rather have that than. But that's just. I'm just not like Joe Burrow does way too much for me that. But he's a very good quarterback. And I'm not denying that. I'm just. I think that. I agree with Mike. I think it has to be authentic. And he. He's also young. Like, I think it's. Josh early on had charisma, obviously, but he also. He had aura. But he was a very raw prospect. And I think he's also. Josh is not like a rah rah leader. It's. Everyone believes in him because of who he is. You. You're having like a visceral reaction.

[B]

He's not.

[C]

Josh is not a rah rah leader. He's not a very vocal leader. He leads by example.

[B]

Right. But I think of the first Jacksonville game after Jalen Ramsey said he was trash and he's flexing in the end zone. Like, I think of like that type of aura that Josh gives off permeates through the team.

[C]

I think aura, though, and leadership are different.

[B]

100.

[C]

The point.

[B]

I was not calling out his leadership.

[C]

Yeah, no. The point I'm making though is I think it's still early on in Drake May's career. Yeah, I think it's hard for him. It's hard to judge if he has aura or not because he's such a raw player right now and he's so young in terms of. Of. Of what he's.

[A]

What did we talk about with Josh back then? The team was like, hey, like, I think they wanted him to take a more active role as it went along, you know, Cuz Diggs brought a lot of that to the team at the time.

[B]

I'm not talking.

[A]

I didn't say you had to be that. I'm just saying is. I think Josh became. It became more and more of his team.

[C]

I think he's like Mayo, like a literal.

[A]

Like Drake Mayo.

[C]

Drake Mayo.

[A]

Hey, maybe that's who he is. That's who he's going to be. I mean, I don't see Sam Darnold is like some phenomenal outward leader. You say that about Burrow. Jalen Hurts is certainly not that way. I mean, there's a lot of guys that are not. I think Drake May is still pretty young. I guess it's aware of who you are. He's been elevated to a higher level than normally you would see. I mean, Mahomes did it, obviously.

[C]

Do you think Mahomes has aura?

[B]

Yes, 100%. Like, and I don't want to get into this, like, big discussion about like, Auradoc. Like, this is very sports talk. Radio all of a sudden. And I didn't mean to go down this path, but like I guess he.

[A]

Said, I have a hot take.

[C]

No, go ahead, Wood.

[B]

Just of when Drake May runs out of the tunnel, it's different than when other guys, even Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, there's something I would agree who.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Again, the aura is the presence. And again, I'm not saying that Drake May is not a good quarterback. He's number two in the mvp, all of those things. And I think he could be a great quarterback. I'm just saying that when he has the ball in his hands or players look at him from the outside. I'm just saying it isn't like those guys. Even Justin Herbert has something to him, in my impression, in my, in my opinion.

[C]

Okay, I get what you're saying now.

[A]

I was just thinking of what he showed to his teammates in the playoffs. I. I don't know how to use this phrase properly, but I will. I've heard it a lot.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

When you would refer to like an ick moment, somebody. I think he had a few ick moments for his teammates, did he not? Where they were like. Yeah, in the regular season. He was like balls coming out deep ball you got in the playoffs and.

[C]

You'Re like, Drake May gave you the ick.

[A]

I think for his teammates a little like they got to unsee some of the bad things he did in the playoffs.

[C]

I think you nailed it, honestly.

[A]

Well, only because there's the open. Only for. Because of him. It's like, hey, we got Drake May, we're winning. Then you get in the biggest moments and he is not. And it might be a legitimate place for a second year quarterback to be.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

Right. But he elevated a little bit and like there's a really bad outfit he was wearing and he had something on his.

[B]

You know, he went back to his apartment and he had like some movie posters like taped to the wall and you're like, this is weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean just that part he did not look the part in really. He had a couple moments in those other playoff games. Again that. But that was mostly running the ball. So.

[B]

But I even go back to he's on and I know this is like sometimes you get to see behind the curtain and that's not always fair because it is sometimes like tough moments. But like he's sitting there in the Denver game on the bench. He's like, this is really hard. And like Josh McDaniels is like, hey, like, don't worry, I. I got you and then it's going to be the greatest reward, which is great coaching.

[A]

They were doing it yesterday.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They said Vrabel kept going over positive enforcement, reinforcement. Well, he's still. Yes. So the issue is there is no guarantee. You said maybe not making the playoffs like somebody makes. I made the point before to somebody's like Dan Marino made it his second year. Dan Marino also set like every passing record, was an incredible player and got let down by his team in many, many moments.

[B]

Nope. They were all Dan Marino's fault.

[A]

He had to play against the Bills.

[B]

We glanced over the fact Sean McDermott did something good defensively.

[C]

Imagine that.

[A]

Yeah, the whole league just wanted to.

[B]

Put that out there.

[C]

Copycat league.

[A]

So if you're Drake May and Josh McDaniels, like that is something they got to work on. I thought Josh McDaniels had a terrible game.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

They had to help their tackle. I don't understand this. When teams just see it, they're losing it the whole time.

[C]

You need to help the lack of adjustments.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they were bad. And Stefan Diggs you mentioned was a non factor in the game. Total not. And I think that's. I think Diggs is moving on from the Patriots.

[C]

I think the Patriots are moving on.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yes, yes. That's a better way to put it. I, I think it's going to be a one and done. He's got his off the field issues. He was very good for them in his moments. They know they need more.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And somebody without all the other stuff. And I think they can move on pretty easily from the concept.

[B]

Like I said, they can draft well, they can fill some holes in free agency and be right back. Their defense is really good. When you have Christian Gonzalez doing what he's doing, like it makes defense a lot easier. But I just look at that roster and I just see a lot of flaws. I just see offensive line that is not great. And I see some decent running, you know, a decent running back or two. But that, that roster to me did not look like a Super bowl caliber roster that was playing in that game.

[A]

So where are the Bills?

[C]

So where are the Bills?

[A]

I feel better about them in the AFC are about the same. Just if you think about Josh Allen, the guys, they have the team we know. The difference is we don't know this team yet. For the Bills, it's going to be so different. And so that part gives you a little pause of just saying, okay, maybe it works out great with Joe. He hasn't been the head coach yet, but let's see. And you talk about all the stuff that's going to go on next year with the schedule they like. Both these teams have a tougher schedule, you know, than they had this year. So we see how it plays out. And the AFC's got some teams. Like Denver has a lot of talent.

[C]

Jacksonville.

[A]

Jacksonville has a lot of talent. Right.

[C]

I put.

[A]

I mean, Kansas City, who knows when Mahomes will be back, but it's still Kansas City.

[B]

An oil change.

[A]

Baltimore with a new Baltimore with a new head coach. Like, let's see how that all plays out. And then there'll be a surprise team. There usually is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So in that case. But yeah, I think if you're the Bills, you're a little bit of like this idea that the Juggernaut Patriots are now going to rule the division. They might win it next year, but it's not like. It's like you're thinking, oh, boy, this team is. This team is really loaded. They have a lot of. Both teams have a lot of work to do in the offseason.

[C]

They showed their flaws on the biggest stage. Yeah, I do think if I'm the Bills, it's so hard because we've known. We've come to expect a certain level out of the bills with Sha McDermot and knowing you really knew what the floor was, you felt like you knew that. Now it's like, I don't know what the floor of this. Of this team is. And I know they made this change because they wanted to raise the ceiling, and that is left to still be seeing how that goes. But it is a tough spot for me to sit here and be like, I feel better about the Bills because I still think there's a lot of roster work that needs to be done because of the. The flaws and the glaring holes on this roster that were there last season. It felt like. And obviously they invest. I gotta stop saying, obviously, I'm sorry, they invested.

[B]

Stop saying, and again, have I done a lot today?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

We also need to stop saying all those things. I need to stop doing that, too. But they've invested.

[A]

We. We shouldn't say all those things, but.

[C]

They'Ve invested a lot in that defensive line, whether it be through free agency or draft capital, and they still have not seen results. Now, being a new scheme, does that mean you find new players and you have better fits for the guys you currently have? It's just there's a level of projection. I feel like this offseason that we haven't had.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because of all the changes that have gone on in Orchard Park.

[B]

Yeah. Two things stood out to me. Talking, looking at. Because what always happens is we see what happens in the super bowl and then we overreact. Last year it was Milton Williams and the Eagles D line and it's like everybody's just going to have four all pros and they're going to get to the quarterback and that's how you win.

[A]

And quick timeout. That's not the way the Eagles D line played most of the year.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Which is why it's kind of wild that they were so dominant in that game. They were good. They were not like that. And so you never know how. But you're right. Everybody overreacted to like, yes, this is the way four guys on the D line. And then you watch a team play Sunday and they're like they are coming at you at every angle to get after the quarterback.

[B]

So I looked at it and I.

[A]

Thought.

[B]

I really value even more now having a true number one wide receiver. Because for as good as Seattle's defense is and was this entire year historically a top 10 defense, all their numbers and metrics, they allowed 14 points per game to every team not named the LA Rams. And against the Rams they allowed 29 points per game. So that's a great quarterback, a great offense, and the way to neutralize a really good defense is to have a Puka Nakua or Devonte Adams. Like Sean McVay deserves a ton of credit for putting up the numbers and yards that he did against that really good defense. And you saw last night that when you don't have that guy that can be the safety valve in the get out of jail free card in the, hey, we're just going to throw it to this guy because he's going to get us 12 yards in a first down and we're going to get the offense moving. I looked at that and I said, that's something that the Bills are missing. And I know, I think that the knee jerk reaction too is it's another defensive masterclass. Like it's defense, defense, defense. You got to have a great defense to win. I go back to the Seahawks defense and what I just said. 14 points per game against every team not named the rams. They allowed 27 points in the conference championship game and could have lost that game. And would we be sitting here talking about the Seahawks defense as this great defense? We wouldn't because the Seahawks offense scored 31 points in that game. I know. I think the knee Jerk reaction is, we'll go reload the defense, go build this a juggernaut of a defense and spend five more draft picks on the defensive side of the ball. I go the other way and say that some games, no matter how good your defense is, you got to score 30. And when push comes to shove, like the Bills had in times, I know they gave up. The Chiefs hadn't scored 26 points or 30 points all season, and then they did against them. And you're going, man, another Shawn McDermott defense was let down. I look at it the other way and go, yeah, sometimes your offense has to bail out your defense. And that's what I think the Seahawks got for a lot of the postseason was, man, the defense was good. But there are times when your quarterback and your players need to make plays. And credit to Sam Darnold, credit to the offensive line, credit to Kenneth Walker, like, they all made plays.

[A]

Yeah. JSN was not a factor in this game. Should have been. He's wide open on that early one. Darnold got pressured and missed him. That would have been a long touchdown. He had another one. Great play by Gonzalez kept him from making the long play two years in a row. The offensive player of the year last year was the Eagles. With Barkley not great in the Super Bowl. They don't get to the super bowl without Barkley. JSN helped carry this team. Sam Darnold is a good quarterback. JSN makes him considerably better. He just does. Josh Allen needs that. And I have a crazy idea you said about going for defense or offense. Why don't you try to do both?

[C]

Two things can be true.

[A]

Yeah, you can get a wide receiver and you can help with the defense. And I know you're going to say salary cap. I know people are going to say, well, they have issues with the cap and I'm going to use my line again here. The Bills will talk about it and Brandon Beam will say it a lot of times that, well, we got our quarterback and you got to pay your quarterback and that makes it tough. The Bills issues with the salary cap are more Josh Palmer than they are Josh Allen. You sign players. Josh Palmer was hurt, maybe wasn't as effective. But when you sign players in positions like that and pay them a substantial amount of money and do not get the return, that's what hurts your cap. Not as much of paying your phenomenal quarterback that you can keep kicking it down the road every year, which is what they have done. It's the guys who let you down who make Too much money. Curtis Samuel. It's a lot of the wide receivers that has been the problem. D line. It's like Joey Bosa not coming through for you in the playoff games. Like all of those type of things hurt you more than paying your superstar quarterback who keeps you in every game. So go do both. Draft well. Sign the right free agents in the right positions. I'd spend more money on free agency for the types of players that he wants in that defense that Jim Leonard wants. They're not all going to be big names. They shouldn't be first guy off the board at the free agency should be guys that Jim Leonard knows. You can get them here and get this system started draft again. But get Joshua wide receiver.

[C]

Yeah, I do think this season really good. There's. He's hall of Famer for a reason.

[B]

The Josh. The Josh Allen versus Josh Palmer line.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

We're gonna.

[C]

I've honestly, I would love to steal it but you've said it on here too many times that I can't throw.

[A]

It out a few times. It's my line.

[C]

Yeah, it is true. But I do think Bean will be very motivated this year because of all the changes made and because of the expectations on this Bills team that he will have to work to get players that fit Jim Leonard system and then also can help Josh Allen be Josh Allen as opposed to having to throw to guys that he seemingly looked like he did not trust.

[A]

And that may take being aggressive in an odd way, being aggressive by letting players go.

[C]

And I think this year the changes that have been made gives more opportunity for that.

[A]

That might even include the offense though. Like, I like Connor McGovern a lot. I think he's going to get paid a lot in free agency. I don't know if they're going to step up and pay him. Like, I'm not saying whether they should or they shouldn't. He's the type of player I think I would want to bring back and maybe they do. But sometimes you make the move and if you have a guy to fill in in that spot where you get a player.

[B]

What's. What's the alternative? Tell me the alternative.

[C]

I think you feel confident if you're Brandon, being that you were able to move on from Mitch Morris.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You found Connor McGovern. That you are confident that you can find the next guy and maybe the next guy is on the roster already with Cedric Van Pran Granger.

[A]

Right.

[C]

I think that is. The Bills have done a good job of building an offensive line that has been able to be prepared for Josh Allen. That has been a fact. But I think if you are being. You look at and even David Edwards.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

I don't expect him to be back.

[B]

Yeah. I think Edwards played himself out of Buffalo in a. In a great way for himself. That's where I'm concerned is like, if you're going to tell me I'm going to spend that money, save that money. And again, we can't look in the crystal ball. You know, this is pre. Hindsight. Foresight.

[A]

What are you trying to say?

[C]

What are you trying to say?

[B]

I'm trying to say is we obviously won't know how the move, hypothetically, they move on from Conor McGovern and they spend it on a defensive end. Okay. They go get Max Crosby. We don't know obviously how the person would play. But if you could tell me the. We're going to do this move on from Connor McGovern to get something, a wide receiver to go get Marvin Harrison.

[A]

Jr. You're just getting another center who's going to cost you half of the amount of money.

[B]

That's. That worries me in the sense I don't want to lose. In a weird way, they. Their fastball now is their running game and I don't want to lose that.

[A]

I don't disagree with you, except you're now going to. And I like McGovern. That's why I said I would like him. But now he's going to cost you a lot more money because you either have to franchise tag him or he's not dumb. He's going to be gone. Somebody's going to pay me.

[C]

Yeah. He's also 28. Like, this is an opportunity for him to have a nice big contract.

[B]

And if it was an. If it is Cedric Van Pran Granger, it's going to be bad for me for trying to get that right.

[A]

Like, I'm bad with that.

[B]

Okay. But it's also when Conor McGovern went out in games and didn't start, like, they didn't go to him in those moments that concerns me that you weren't even having the confidence in them to take a few snaps in a game because they would go to Alec Anderson, who was the kind of swing lineman.

[A]

Aaron Cromer's not the offensive line coach you bring up.

[C]

These are all good points.

[A]

I have one other point. And we. We have.

[B]

Is this a bad point?

[A]

Is it a bad point?

[B]

Because she goes, these are all good points. And you said, I have one other point.

[A]

No, it's something I wanted. I'm looking at a picture we have of Joe Brady over there and I'm thinking maybe this is just the way my mind works. But Joe Brady's adding a lot to his plate. Obviously he's the head coach now. Also calling the plays from being on the field. That's very different, isn't it?

[C]

For sure.

[A]

You guys are on the field.

[B]

So he was on the field before.

[A]

On the field, but he wasn't calling the plays then.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

I think it's very different. That is going to be an adjustment for him. You see the field also. You guys also know, even like I know this sounds funny, but even in the bad weather and all those things, it has to be cumbersome to be a play caller with all that going on. You know, you got your laminated sheet and all as opposed to sitting in a box. You're looking at it from above everything. I just mean with everything else going on, I mean Sean McVay does it in LA usually in Nice weather and he's been doing it basically his whole career. I just think of that as an adjustment a little bit. Now I know he's got Pete upstairs and that's going to be his right hand guy and I think that will help a great deal. But I was just thinking about that. That guy. In any other case, that's a big adjustment for him to be on the field calling the plays as opposed to seeing from up top.

[C]

I totally agree. And that's another added layer of an adjustment period for Brady for the season.

[B]

Plus that is he doesn't have a side of the ball.

[A]

You're right, he said that.

[C]

I thought your point was going to be off of the O line.

[A]

No, I just was thinking.

[C]

Did you know what I mean? I thought it would be just thinking in terms of.

[A]

Of the whole coordination of the offense. I just think the mechanics change. His. Not only does his view of the game change, he's got both sides of the ball running the defense too.

[B]

Both sides of the ball.

[A]

He's got a lot. Joe's going to have a lot on his plate this year, so. And that will take some adjustment and that's understandable.

[C]

But we'll see.

[B]

I'm still on your glasses. There were a lot of comments, I know that where people were very worried about the glasses.

[C]

One episode, you being stomping on them.

[B]

Yeah, I'm still team trade for a defensive end. Draft a wide receiver early.

[A]

And by the way, Diana Rossini, I would say friend of the pod. We got to talk to her at combine.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We were trying to get her to come on the pod. So we were.

[B]

Spent a year.

[A]

I heard a clarification of her Max Crosby thing that went from. He. He said he wants to play for Mike Vrabel. And then later I heard her say he has said, oh, he wants to play for Mike Vull now. I don't know when. We'll have to find out. Diana, if you're watching subscribes, I'm sure.

[B]

Shout out Stephen Bond.

[A]

Yes. That you will talk to us about this because I'd be curious when we're at combine, we'll talk to her and see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What she has to say about it. But you know, these guys will say a lot of that stuff.

[B]

They will.

[A]

You know, they want to play for all the teams that have the money and, you know, I mean, I can't.

[B]

Wait till everybody at the combine. Every wide receiver would love to catch passes from Josh Allen.

[C]

That's why I don't like the combine. Another.

[A]

It's so good.

[C]

It's just. It's.

[B]

It's the best.

[C]

It's just a big gossip session.

[B]

It's the best. Can't wait.

[A]

Can't wait.

[C]

I'm just sad I'm not going for Elmos. All right.

[A]

Back. Something.

[C]

All right, we'll do.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Great.

[B]

A T shirt.

[C]

I was gonna say shrimp cocktail to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I do like that horseradish sauce. Okay. Let's do a little bit of life advice. A couple questions. We want to thank everyone. Great. Great questions we've had so far. Remember, the email is hey, buffalo/gmail.com if you have some questions.

[A]

Last week we talked about driving.

[C]

Driving. We talked about ugly sweater. Yeah. This week we're going to talk about houses and then garbage plates.

[A]

So we got some responses too, on the driving and the. And more. More about the driving. I think a couple of people mentioned that they do not like when their kids drive and they've never gotten used to it and let them take as long as they want. And I understand that side of it. It was the idea of somebody person had written in and said, 16 year old. And you want them to do all of those things. You never get over your kids driving.

[B]

Like it is even now.

[A]

Yeah. Because my kids are in. Both in New York.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't drive a lot at all. And Carly has.

[B]

And your third kid doesn't either.

[C]

Seriously. No.

[B]

Your kids drive.

[A]

Charlotte's the only one who drives.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The fourth kid say, not for me.

[A]

So you do never really get over. So I. As. I understand that, but it. There is that point where you're like, hey, go to the store for me. Or I can imagine your own stuff. And then whatever it is. And then it's. Then the next part is giving them a vehicle to drive because that cost you o.

[C]

What was your first car?

[B]

Oh, you. It's unbelievable. You would never be able to guess. Haven't I even showed you the picture? I wonder if we could put in a picture in here.

[C]

It was a van.

[B]

Yeah. It was 1992 maroon Toyota Previa. It looked like a spaceship, and it had268,000 miles on it. And then by the time I was done, the driver's side didn't open, and the sliding door didn't open either. So you had to get in through the passenger, and then that person would have to open up the driver's side. Like, it was. By the time it was done, it was a metal death trap. But it got me to Fredonia.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Is it like a.

[C]

Hold on. What is it called? Pre. Previa.

[B]

1992 Toyota Previa. I'll show it to Mike because I've brought up pictures of this. This. That maroon. This one. This was the van.

[A]

It looks like a Beetle.

[B]

Oh. So I.

[A]

It was just a premonition that you were going to have three kids?

[B]

I probably. But this was also. I had played baseball all summer and hockey all winter, so I. I never worked. So my parents. I was like, well, you guys got Brad a car. And they're like, we didn't get Brad a car. He had money because he worked like a normal teenager. So I had no money. My parents like, I'm not buying you a car. So I had $300 saved up, and I bought that thing.

[A]

What'd you do with the other 200?

[C]

That is the ugliest.

[A]

And I see that van. If I see that van in a parking lot, you stay away.

[B]

You stay away. And I tell them the keys in it.

[C]

I was like, if somebody's the ugliest car.

[B]

Yep. That's the exact. Yeah. You were, like, sitting on the engine.

[C]

It was like, yeah.

[B]

Well, you could throw a lot of hockey bags and you could fit a lot of people in it.

[A]

Now that's fine. I don't know what Jenna had is, like, a teenager or whatever. I do know the car she had when she first started working for us. Oh, my God. She gave me a ride in the car one time. I got in there because you were taking me to get my car. I had so much dog Hair over me. It was a disaster.

[C]

My Subaru. I had a Subaru in Preza, but my first car was a Honda crv. I can't remember what year it was.

[A]

It had to be nicer than your Subaru.

[C]

Well, no. So my brother and sister had it, and then I got it. And by the time I got it, someone had spilled, like, a dunkachino down or, like, what was the iced one? Yep, a coffee culada. Coffee culada down the driver's side window. So when you tried to roll up the window, it sounded like a gun going on. It was like.

[B]

I don't think any of my windows worked.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I had a 1978 Monte Carlo T Tops. It was my brother.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

And I got the car. This was in the 1978.

[C]

What is it?

[A]

Monte Carlo with T. Do you know what T tops are?

[C]

No.

[A]

T tops is like. You could. You could take the top.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Wait.

[C]

This is cool.

[A]

Yeah. Well. Yeah.

[C]

What color was it?

[A]

Maroon.

[C]

Yeah, I did.

[A]

And then you would pull them off the car. It was like a sort of like a convertible. Yes. And then you.

[B]

Way cooler than my Toyota.

[C]

That car.

[A]

It was a version of that. And that's a cool card. They had velour seats. Oh, my God. I might have burned a hole in the velour seats.

[B]

Not high.

[C]

Not.

[B]

Not maybe high.

[C]

Oh, my God. Okay, let's get to this week's comment.

[B]

Comment in your first car.

[C]

I actually do love hearing that.

[B]

I actually do think that I got more. I think I got more money. When the car eventually just stopped, it went up to Fredonia. Never made it back.

[A]

Like, junk for, like.

[B]

Yeah, I got way more, like, scrap metal. Yeah, it was worth way more metal than what I actually.

[C]

I mean, that car was a lot of.

[B]

It was a family friend, neighbor again. I had 300. And they were like, yeah, we don't. We're gonna get rid of this thing. And I was like, here's 300. And I drove that car for, like, two and a half years.

[C]

Wow. Did Renee see you drive that car?

[B]

No. Never met Renee in that car. Good question.

[C]

It would have been a nick.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

They had a Buick Regal after that.

[C]

Oh, that's.

[A]

Well, that was in the same realm as this.

[B]

Yeah. That was sweet.

[A]

It might have been. You might have gotten my old car.

[B]

And you also remember that time when, like, you have that moment where, like, your car is, like, done. Like, your Subaru was pretty close to that, like, a couple times.

[C]

She was cook.

[B]

Yeah. I Just remember backing out of my driveway, my parents house with this Buick Regal and hearing something as I like hit and then just being like this is it. This was the moment. Like it's never gonna to fix. It was gonna be way more expensive.

[A]

Than anything once and I was trading it in and each time I went to the dealership I was trying to get the other car. I had to park in a different spot because that baby was leaking so much oil. I just was like I didn't want to pull away and then see a big pool of oil.

[C]

Yeah, that's always bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

My dad resold my Subaru and said, said it was, it was, it was a girl owned the car so she.

[A]

Took care of it.

[C]

I was like, yeah, I didn't take.

[B]

Care of dog hair that was in that car.

[C]

Okay, let's get to our question. So only. We're gonna only do a couple but hey, buffalo. Plus I'm getting out of the military in September and my wife and I are planning on moving to Rochester's Syracuse area and buying our first home. Any tips or house hunting or buying. Thanks. Alexis and Leah, thank you for your service. Yes.

[B]

Appreciate it. What are you gonna say because you got your finger up.

[A]

I was just gonna say call my mother in law or sister Amy Freely. Amy or Rita. Because they are phenomenal.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The Goats Realtors. But I guess it a lot of it depends. There's a lot of great places to live in our area.

[C]

There really are you want.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You can be in places where you're in a absolute neighborhood. House is next to each other. You can go out to, you know, Menden or you can go places a ton of space.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Depending on where you want to be. So it would, I would say that would be the thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Schools are an issue.

[C]

You know I. My biggest thing is looking at problems. That will be a 365 problem.

[A]

They listen to me.

[C]

That is a Mike Catalon align. But like apartments I looked at not having a dishwasher when I was renting and you being like that is a 365 problem that you will have to deal with. In the beginning you're like oh, it's no big deal. But every day it would add up. Is it in the driveway where you have to be, you know, you are essentially right behind each other. Now you can do the gymnastics of every day moving around the cars.

[B]

Tetris did that.

[A]

Awful.

[C]

But that is something to be aware of. And I think of. It's not like you're house hunting is Stressful overall. But if you can kind of pinpoint those little things, I think it actually can help you make when properties are pretty similar. Like a more informed decision that the.

[B]

365 problem was what we were looking for a house on the east side after moving out of our starter house. And the first house we went to loved it. It was in our price range. And the driveway was a cliff.

[A]

Oh, that's the worst. And my daughter was doing the same thing looking at a house. She said the driveway was a disaster.

[B]

And like even Amy was like, even Amy was like kids with this like walking onto the bus stop. This is going to be a problem. And Mike said it's a 365 day problem. We our first starter home for Renee and I was in East Rondequite little suburb just off the city. So we were like 10 minutes from everything. That was a lot of fun. So that was where we were in east around Aquit and Yeah. Pretty reasonably priced houses there. Everything's expensive now.

[C]

Yeah. I do think the great thing about Rochester is essentially everything is like 20 minutes away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you can find what areas you want and then it seems it's pretty much 20 minutes away to wherever you want to go.

[A]

No place is going to be perfect.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

But if there are ways to adjust if you have the space and the rooms need to be redone. I know that's a pain. I know it can be expensive. But there is nothing like having the ability to build from within. Yeah. Because once you start breaking down walls and building out, really crazy expensive. I know a lot of these things are things people will tell you. But when you look, have your eyes wide open and look at things. Can. Can I change the closet?

[C]

Can.

[A]

Can I do this? Because we made mistakes in this house that we bought and it was right around the corner from us because there were certain things it was like, oh, I wish I would have thought this or thought that. But if you can adjust it if you want to. If you say after we get in a year later, we can finish the basement. We can ex. We can convert that room.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a nice way to get more space and to do things. Can we take down a wall y to open up the kitchen? Like because sometimes you go in a place and then you're like, I didn't realize that's weight bearing wall and we can't go in.

[C]

So true.

[A]

Those are all things.

[C]

Always check the water pressure.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That's like the first thing I do. Shower queen knows and storage. How many Closets do you have? How big are the closets? What's the basement like? Like, I just feel like if you're going to live in a house, it is astonishing how much crap you can accumulate when you have a house. Just like, oh, I got a basement. I can put it wherever. Or just by living, you get so much stuff. But making sure you have adequate closet space.

[A]

Pay attention more to the state than the sizzle because you'll walk in.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That looks super cool painted a certain way.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like. But you could always change that. Hate to say it, it's expensive. But, like, you could change the facing of the cabinets or you could get them repainted, but if the kitchen is only is landlocked and you can't change it, that's a steak problem, not a sizzle problem.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Love it.

[C]

It's very true.

[A]

It's all part of my book.

[C]

You have to write a book. Like, I've talked about. This has been like 10 years I've talked to you about this.

[B]

Will not write a chapter.

[C]

You won't read a chapter.

[A]

Proofread it for me.

[C]

Yeah. All right, next question. Hey, Buffalo. Plus, my friend is coming to visit me in Rochester and wants to try a garbage plate for the first time. Mike just dropped his glasses. Where should we go to get it? In parentheses, he said, I already have an answer in my head, but I'm interested to hear what you have to say. Also, bonus food question for Mike as a New Jersey expert. Is it Taylor ham or pork roll? Best. Jacob.

[A]

That's interesting. I would say pork roll would be what I would say of those two. I would say, what do they say in Shark Tank? It's like. And for that reason, I am out.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

One garbage plate in my life. It was before I actually moved to Rochester. Don't like them. Tried it. I was drinking that night. Still didn't like it. Never. I've had the ingredients of them separately.

[B]

Yeah, it's not that hard.

[A]

Right. I would imagine you've been to a plate. I'm saying is a barbecue. Places where they say, oh, we have garbage plates.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I just don't make it like a garbage plate. So for that reason, I'm out.

[C]

Okay. I don't like the meat hot. There's some. I don't like the cinnamon or whatever in it. I do like a garbage plate, though. I will just get like, Frank's Red Hot or whatever. Karma Sauce. But I like Charlie's. That is where I get my plates. There's one in Webster I think there's a couple, actually. I think there's one in Canada now, too, and then there's one in Ontario. But I go to Charlie's. How often I get a plate? At least once a year.

[A]

Oh, what, you're saying no.

[B]

Why? I thought you were gonna say once a month, which I was like, that's still too many for a grown adult.

[C]

I probably get two garbage plates a year. I don't get them a lot. I do like them when I get them, but, like, you feel abysmal.

[B]

That's the thing that.

[A]

Do we need to explain? Because we have viewers all over.

[C]

That's actually very. You know what?

[B]

We should.

[C]

We should.

[A]

Daniel.

[B]

So a garbage plate.

[C]

Yeah, The Rochester.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Is everything in one container on one plate. So it's Mac salad, home fries, cheeseburgers or hot dogs all on the plate, all piled up with a meat sauce, ketchup, onions, mustard, all those things on top of it. Did I explain that correctly?

[C]

Just said all those things.

[A]

By the way. It's sort of like a bowl, except it's stuff that probably shouldn't.

[B]

You can do beans. You can do basic beans instead of Mac salad. You can do french fries. You can do double.

[C]

Very adaptable. Again, I don't like the meat hot, so I will do. No, I'm saying, like, I will do ketchup and hot sauce and some onion. I say onion. Weird, I guess.

[B]

No, it sounds. Sounds about right.

[C]

Onion.

[A]

You say a lot of other things.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I guess I'm the only one that grew up here in Rochester.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so once you're in, like, high school, like, that is like a. It's a staple of what you eat on a weekly basis.

[C]

I believe that.

[B]

So when. When we're at training camp or people come up to us and say, like, oh, like the Rochester thing. Like, where do I get a garbage plate? Now, being 34 years old, I do not eat garbage plates anymore. They were something we did when we were 19 through 25, and it was after a night of drinking because they would deliver you garbage plates up until 4 in the morning, saying. So you would go out to the bars, you'd get home, you'd be hungry, you'd order plates at or on your way home, and then they would get there at 2 in the morning.

[A]

Right down the street from a place in a training camp is literally a place called Hungry.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So I've never been there.

[A]

Thirsties in Hungry.

[C]

I do think that's funny.

[B]

But the most common place, people would probably say Is Nick Tahos.

[A]

Yeah. That's a place like the original.

[C]

Yes, correct. Dogtown. I know. Has a good one.

[B]

Dogtown has good plates as well. That's on Monro Ave. Yes, the other. But the thing to think about is Rochester has all their little suburbs, and every place has their own hots place. So growing up in Webster, we would always go to Empire Hots because that's what was down the street. We used to get done playing a hockey game, varsity hockey game, and then everybody would go and eat an entire plate. Like, that was just.

[A]

Should have before the game. Just.

[B]

It's just thinking about it now at 34 years old is insane.

[C]

Yeah. You, like. I'm sure you, like, didn't have water either.

[B]

No, you got, like, the water cups. Like, that's all that you got. Like, it was like you were like, I had my $10 to get my plate. And then you're like, all the water cup. Like. But so every place, like, when we were living in Brighton or when we were living in, like, Penfield Hots has another good plate that we've had. Like, so it's kind of wherever you were is what the plate that you grew up.

[A]

Up on.

[B]

So it's kind of funny when people say, well, where should I get a plate? You're like, wherever you are.

[C]

Because that meets. Miha can be different. Different places you go. But I think Dogtown is very popular. Like, you said.

[B]

Nick Tahoes.

[C]

Nick Tahoes is popular. I like Charlie's and Webster. Angry Goat has a good one. Jenny Brewhouse does have a good one.

[B]

Has a good one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

A lot of free ads we're giving away here.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Like, that's all right.

[A]

That's a big Rochester thing. But not everybody is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just. Just wasn't for me.

[C]

It's too good for you. Finance, bro.

[B]

But that's the thing is, like, I can't imagine, like, going on your lunch break and being like, you know where I'm gonna go? Charlie's. I need a plate. You're like, what, you're gonna go back to work after this?

[C]

You need. After.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This was something you ate. And then in the morning, you're like, did I eat it or did I rub it on my face? You're like, this is. I am. I am. Like, you couldn't wait to throw out the bag that had, like, the grease in it in the morning. It was like, this is gross.

[A]

By the way, in case anybody doesn't know, we have a lot of really good restaurants in Rochester, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But everything comes out as, like, they say, oh, Rochester garbage place.

[C]

Correct. Yeah.

[A]

It's like the regional Bish steaks in Philly. It's wings in Buffalo.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's what you're known.

[C]

You know, I get mad, though, because garbage plates are tasty, but, like, visually horrendous looking. Looking. Yeah, like looking at a picture of a garbage plate. If you were to look it up and didn't know what it was, you're like, I will never put that in my body.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But they're actually very tasty.

[B]

But again, the. The minor league baseball team on Thursdays. They are the plates. The plates. Like, it is what Rochester is known for. Like Mike was saying.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

All right.

[C]

I think we're good.

[A]

We got a lot taken care of here.

[C]

We got range. We got range. Okay.

[B]

We got off season, so.

[C]

Yeah. Comment in your first car, because I'm genuinely curious. Now.

[A]

I want to comment in on your garbage plate.

[C]

Yeah. What's your garbage plate order as well. And also your takeaways from the super bowl and what you think it means now for the Bills. We want to hear all that stuff.

[B]

I probably haven't had a plate in six years.

[C]

Really? So every year, the. The Saturday after Thanksgiving, Zach's family has a tradition where they go get garbage plates and then they go to pick out their Christmas trees. So we've been doing that. They have great.

[B]

Do have a ton of.

[C]

They do. And I love it. Yeah, I love it. But, yeah, it's like, I get my.

[A]

One place because you get food. Yeah, food's involved in the.

[C]

And then you go on a walk. It's perfect.

[A]

Right up your alley.

[C]

Yeah. All right. Okay. All right. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We're closing in on 45,000 subs, so we would really appreciate more subs. Be sure to share like we talked about for Mike and Dan, I am Jenna. We'll catch you next time here on the Buffalo plus channel.

[B]

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