The Bills CLOSE in on NEW HEAD COACH: Daboll, Udinski, Webb and JOSH ALLEN's INPUT

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast Summary

Episode Title: The Bills CLOSE in on NEW HEAD COACH: Daboll, Udinski, Webb and JOSH ALLEN's INPUT
Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the ongoing Buffalo Bills head coaching search following the departure of Sean McDermott. The Buffalo Plus team analyzes the top candidates—Brian Daboll, Grant Udinski, Davis Webb, Joe Brady—and discusses the implications of Josh Allen’s reported involvement in the process. The hosts blend insider information with candid discussion, offering both industry insight and personal perspectives on the franchise’s pivotal decision.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Where the Search Stands: Timeline & Candidates

• Urgency for Decision: The panel agrees a new coach will be in place imminently, likely by Wednesday, with press conferences following quickly after.
  • Quote: "I would think that we would have all these head coaching jobs filled this week, probably sooner rather than later." – Dan [00:12]
• Top Candidates: The focus is on Brian Daboll (Giants), Grant Udinski (Jaguars), Davis Webb (Broncos), and to a lesser degree, internal candidate Joe Brady.
• Agent Dynamics: The hosts emphasize the significant role of agents in the process and note how the Bills have kept internal discussions very private.
  • Quote: "Agents, agents, agents and more agents is all I'll say." – Dan [04:59]
• Notable Withdrawals: Grant Udinski withdrew from the Browns’ search, and Philip Rivers withdrew from the Bills’ consideration.

2. What Each Candidate Brings

• Brian Daboll:
  • Prior success as OC in Buffalo and experience as Giants head coach.
  • Regarded as a stabilizing force and a “dream hire” by Dan and others.
  • Quote: "My dream hire is Dable, hand up. That is partly biased because I respect Brian Dable more than certain members of my family." – Dan [11:45]
  • Pros: Known commodity, proven leader, close Josh Allen relationship.
  • Cons: Bears “retread” label; there are scars from prior jobs.
• Grant Udinski:
  • Young, has not called plays outside of red zone but seen as an "up-and-coming hot shot."
  • Would be youngest head coach, less than 35 years old.
  • Represents a massive swing—high upside, high risk.
  • Quote: "If Grant Udinski is hired, he would be the youngest NFL head coach." – Mike [06:38]
• Davis Webb:
  • Age and inexperience (recent player, hasn’t called plays).
  • Close with Josh Allen, described as a potential future star.
  • Possible flight risk—could be poached as head coach by another team if he excels as OC.
  • Quote: "If you think you have the guy, do you take him a year early as opposed to maybe losing him after one season?" – Jenna [13:17]
• Joe Brady:
  • Internal candidate, but doesn’t seem to have traction for head coach.
  • Quote: "You could have elevated Joe Brady, that never seemed to be in the mix... I just don't know if in the building he was thought of as a head coach." – Mike [35:52]

3. CEO Head Coach vs. Play Caller — What Does Buffalo Want?

• Bills GM Brandon Beane described the need for a “CEO” type head coach; the hosts weigh whether an offensive play-caller can realistically balance both roles, especially if inexperienced.
  • Quote: “It’s always a CEO job… There is so much to this job that has nothing to do with calling plays.” – Mike [09:16]
• Recognized risk of giving a rookie head coach both the CEO mantle and play-calling duties.
• Past examples: Nick Sirianni, Dan Campbell, John Harbaugh transitioned to CEO roles after starting as play-callers.

4. Josh Allen’s Involvement in the Process

• Josh Allen is reportedly “very involved,” participating in interviews and giving input.
  • Quote: "Josh is...reportedly very involved. He's in on the meetings, he's part of Bills brass that is going around and interviewing these coaches." – Dan [14:44]
• Jenna notes this surprises her: Allen is "cornerstone" but his deep involvement suggests either franchise trust or concern about front office decisions.
  • Quote: "This is also a level of control that I think is more than I would expect Josh Allen to have…To me that is something worth noting." – Jenna [24:53]
• The panel discusses pros and cons: Players’ voice is important, but true honesty from candidates may be stifled with Allen present during some interview segments.

5. Risk, Reputation, and “Retreads”

• Tension between hiring a proven coach (with “scars”) and chasing upside in a young, unproven candidate.
  • Discussion around NFL trend: Hiring “retreads” can pay off (e.g., Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy), but there’s growing excitement for next-gen offensive minds.
  • Quote: "Sometimes it's hey, I'm going to do better my second time around." – Dan [17:27]
• If the Bills go with an unfamiliar face like Udinski, it signals a bold willingness to innovate.

6. The Franchise Moment & the Josh Allen Window

• This isn’t a rebuilding situation: The new coach inherits a 12-win team, a prime-peak Josh Allen, and must deliver quickly.
  • Quote: "You want to continue...You don't have a runway to have two or three years to kind of get this thing right." – Dan [12:10]
• The Bills’ search is among the most attractive in the NFL, but roster/financial issues temper the enthusiasm of outside candidates.

7. Odds, Predictions & Memorable Moments

• Dan reports on betting odds: Daboll and Webb considered current favorites, with Udinski a longer shot.
  • Quote: “Brian Dable’s +150. Davis Webb is +160. Kubiak is +350. Udinski is +700.” – Dan [37:44]
• The hosts each make final predictions:
  • Mike: “I’m with you on Webb. I think they’re taking a massive swing.” [52:21]
  • Dan: Shoots for Daboll as his “dream,” but hedges toward Udinski.
  • Jenna: Favors Webb but acknowledges all three (Daboll, Udinski, Webb) are realistic.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Pressure of the Hire:
  "Sean established a floor and nobody was happy with the ceiling, but you gotta get to that floor, and it’s going to take a lot for the next guy." – Mike [31:58]
• On Youth and Innovation:
  "There is something kind of exciting to go with a candidate who has no scars...He is hope. He is excitement. He is wonder." – Mike/Dan [28:31]
• On Coach-Quarterback Relationships:
  “It’s different when we're best friends. If you were my boss, it would be different. Like, it's just different.” – Jenna [34:25]
• Comic Relief:
  “Did he wow? If he didn’t wow, then he’s not going to blow them away.” – Mike [53:59]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Head Coach Search Overview & Timeline: [00:00] – [05:40]
• Candidate Deep Dive (Daboll, Udinski, Webb): [06:09] – [17:27]
• Role of Head Coach: CEO vs. Play-caller: [08:42] – [11:31]
• Josh Allen’s Input and Dynamics: [14:44] – [25:35]
• NFL Trends, Risks, and Retreads: [16:49] – [22:19]
• Odds and Host Predictions: [37:44] – [53:30]
• Listener Interactions and Closing banter: [50:33] – [54:37]

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Final Thoughts

The hosts characterize the Bills’ coaching search as a choice between continuity and bold, future-facing risk. While the “dream” of a Brian Daboll reunion seems strong, the logic behind a daring play for either Grant Udinski or Davis Webb is apparent, especially given the unique scenario of having a franchise QB in his prime.

Most hosts believe the Bills will "take a big swing"—Webb or Udinski—thereby cementing their faith in the next generation of offensive minds and Josh Allen’s influence on the organization.

Host Picks:

• Mike: Webb
• Jenna: Webb
• Dan: Hopes for Daboll, thinks Udinski

The episode is a must-listen (or read!) for Bills fans craving context, candor, and locker room-level insight into one of the NFL’s most enticing coaching carousels.

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Transcript

[A]

Essentially, the Bills feel like they're going to go offense. They feel like they're going to go offense and it feels like Davis Webb, Brian Dabel, Joe Brady, Grant Yudinsky. But I would think that we would have all these head coaching jobs filled this week, probably sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised if by Wednesday there are no openings left. Now from the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[B]

All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalan at Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We're here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio breaking down the Bills head coaching candidates, their interviews, what we make of it all. You heard Adam Schefter here talking about what the Bills, what the NFL landscape will look like. We're going to talk about that. Some of the candidates and our thoughts as well as a little bit about Super Bowl 60. We'll get into it. But Mike, hearing that there could be all the head coaching vacancies wrapped up by Wednesday, what are your thoughts on that?

[C]

It kind of felt that way. If they were not getting someone from a Super bowl team and it, it appears to be that Clint Kubiak is not going to end up coming to the bill. So take that off the plate. Now you're saying, well, all the candidates are available, you can interview everybody, which is what they're doing. And, and then we figured they would move forward. It's really an interesting dynamic when you have a coach like Brian Dable, who, you know him, you know him well, you know the success he's had with Josh, but you have to make a call on him to then go and interview 30 year old coaches for Dable. Look, if he was slam dunk, their choice, they hire him, then I do think they're doing their due diligence, they're doing it the right way. Talk to these younger guys, talk to the potential to have them in, talk to the possibility of having them part of the team, even if it's not as head coach. So I get all of that. It's just really something to see this play out to go from the stability of Sean McDermott to Dan, I would say a potential level of excitement because it's new.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

But also like there's no net now, like. Cause you know you are going into something unproven certainly in Buffalo.

[A]

Yeah. I think when I look at what these last 10 days have been like as we kind of try and navigate all of this, I think of ego I think of control and I think of agents. Like tho those are the three things.

[B]

That like to the NFL. Yeah.

[A]

Like so, so I'm trying to figure all of that out. The other news today, obviously this is, we're recording this Monday afternoon. So by the time you watch this, maybe somebody's already been hired as a head coach. But they were four.

[C]

If that's the case, we're doing another video.

[A]

We'll just have another one up right after this. But the fact is, you know the, the four jobs that are still left available at the time of recording this. Bills, Bills, Bills, Raiders, Cardinals.

[C]

Oh, I hate to see the Bills in that bunch.

[A]

So a bunch of. There's a three win team, a four win team, a five win team and a 12 win team.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I guess. And again we heard today Grant Udinsky pulling his name from the Browns head coaching search and we're also kind of hearing that Philip Rivers has withdrawn his name from the Bill's head coaching search. So trying to process all of this and Jenna, I'm trying not to get like I'm trying not to get too worked up about just the people they brought in. I feel like there was some a excitement and also like really Philip Rivers, like bringing him in for a head coach. I think that they are doing their due diligence. They said it was an open search. They said they would look young, old, no experience, head coaching experience, offense, defense, they've done all of that. They brought in the Anthony's, they brought in all of these guys. And so like I, I do hear.

[B]

Give the Bills a lot group like, like, like a singing band.

[A]

Well, I thought Fridays was the Anthony's.

[C]

Like it was two former Bills coaches.

[A]

Yes, yes. I forgot that he was with Marone's defensive line. So it's. And the one thing also I want to clear up because obviously as we were watching we will talk about the super bowl at the end of this pod but like the excitement and I think there were a lot of people that when the Broncos lost it was like, oh, now the Bills will get to talk to Davis Webb because that was a name that they had been constantly linked to and wanting to. And then it was. You were hoping possibly Seattle would lose so that you could talk to Clint Kubiak. Schefter is kind of saying that Kubiak to the Raiders makes a whole lot of sense. They talked about the personnel control that he would like as well as the salary cap, have the first overall pick, all of those things. And yes we talked about the fact that you wouldn't be able to talk to him until after the Super Bowl.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Agents, agents, agents and more agents is. Is all I'll say. Because Gannon was hired after the Eagles won the super bowl on Tuesday. Like, so there are.

[C]

Well, they also lost a draft pick because they got caught for tampering. But at that point they were happy to get there. Correct.

[A]

At some point it's like worth it.

[C]

By the way, they can talk to the agent.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

It's about taking the time away from the coach himself.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

But Jenna, now they're in this spot where it looks like something's going to happen, like very, very soon. Imminently, I would think.

[B]

So I would imagine. I mean, it's Monday. Wednesday is a couple days away. The names that we really are hearing over and over again, obviously Brian Dable, but then Grant Udinsky from Jacksonville and then Davis Webb. And when you look at the three candidates, it jumps out that Brian Dable has as much experience as he does. He's also older, like Grant Yudinsky and Davis Webb are. They are young. They are very, very young.

[C]

I love when you have to say.

[B]

They are younger than Dan and I, which is.

[C]

Which is considerably younger than.

[B]

Yeah, they are just. Okay.

[A]

Jenna was telling, believe me, I'm double their ages.

[B]

Considerably younger.

[A]

Circle of trust before we got adhered to record Jetta goes, I am not ready to have a Bill's head coach be younger than us.

[B]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[A]

Full stop.

[C]

So if I could, I can say that. So when the Bills hired, like, Rex was older than me. Doug Marone might have been a little older than me when they hired those guys. Then when they hired Sean, I was like, okay, that's done, that's done. But this is really exceptional to think about 30 year old head coach.

[B]

If Grant Udinsky is hired, he would be the youngest NFL head coach. He would replace Sean McVeigh, who at the time was that in the NFL.

[A]

So let's. Let's talk about. Sorry. Dang it.

[B]

That's fine. Go ahead.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

No, it's okay.

[C]

I hate when people interrupt.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

So I want to talk about the last podcast.

[B]

Someone was like, wow, Jenna has a lot to say.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When one of you isn't here, I can talk.

[C]

Keep going.

[B]

No, it's fine. I. I lose my train of thought when I get interrupted sometimes.

[A]

It's got to power through. You just got to power through whatever mic or somebody starts to talk. Hold on.

[C]

Don't stray me here. You did it.

[A]

Because I Want to talk about Grant Udinsky a little bit more in depth. And, and, and I mean that because there is the thought and Shefter was kind of talking about it about the Bills leaning to go offensive. Okay, great. You, you change from Sean. Even though I will say both head coaches in the super bowl, defensive minded guys. But besides that there is. Grant Udinsky did not call plays. Now he called some plays. I think we were talking to the fact that he calls red zone. Red zone.

[C]

I think. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So called some red zone plays and the Jags improved in red zone efficiency when he got there. So. But like the Nate Shield House as well as Davis Webb, guys that have not called plays before. Sean Payton calls the plays. It's the same reason why Matt Nagy got hired as a head coach. But Matt Nagy in Kansas City never called plays. So there is, I guess that's where I have a little bit of apprehension. It was the same way I had apprehension when Ken Dorsey was hired as the offensive coordinator or you know, replaced Brian Dable because he had never called plays before. And I think that's a big thing and that if you're going to, in my opinion, if you're going to bring in an offensive minded guy, he's going to call place. I mean, I just don't see Grant Yudinsky getting hired and then passing that massive chip on to somebody else because it's, it's his livelihood. And I just think that you would, he'd be calling the plays.

[B]

Now I wonder and I'm curious, Mike, your thoughts? Because Brandon Bean said at the press conference this past Wednesday that this would be a CEO type of, of job. So I agree with you. I do think that if you're gonna have this, this new guy come in, offensive minded guy, you would hope, considering kind of like the pendulum swing to the other side, you would want him to have the offense, him to be the one calling plays. But do you think that's a lot to put on someone's plate? And also with what Brandon Bina talked about in terms of responsibilities and being more CEO, like what do you make of that?

[C]

It's always a CEO job. And I think people get so focused on the other part of it and it usually involves to Dan's point, the offensive guy because he's an offensive play caller. There is so much to this job that has nothing to do with calling plays. And they're throwing a parade in New York City or Jersey because they brought in John Harbaugh to be the head coach. John Harbaugh is a CEO head coach. No doubt he is. He doesn't coach offense, he doesn't coach defense. Mike Tomlin became that guy. Sean McDermott was for a while until he felt like he was needed back on the defensive side. Nick Sirianni in Philly started out as the play caller, gave it to Shane Steichen and then eventually now his role is CEO coach.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So there's a lot of guys. Dan Campbell, CEO coach, then felt like he needed to call plays. Probably should have stayed away from that and then went back. I think it's so much of the job is being the CEO you are standing in front of, as Dion likes to say, a bunch of alphas. Right. You have to command the room. You deal with media, nonstop media. I mean the head coach talks Sunday after the game, talks Monday, talks Wednesday, talks Thursday, talks Friday. Right. This is what the head coach does.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So or Friday talks Friday, not Thursday, talks all those days.

[A]

Tell your Greg Williams story. It's one of my favorite stories.

[C]

Well, Greg Williams got hired by the Bills defensive coordinator in a Super bowl the year before and then the Bills hired him from the Titans. And I was doing Greg's radio show at the time. We were at training camp and he walked in the office and I won't say he was, he was trying to get a bunch of stuff done. And I think John, if I remember correctly, John Murphy was there with me, was doing the radio play by play and Greg's what he said to us was, oh my God, everything I did to get this job, I'm not doing anymore. And was he involved in the defense? Sure, but he wasn't involved like he was when he was the defensive coordinator and he had a thousand other things to do as the head coach. That is the real world. So to take someone who's never done it and make them head coach and play caller on offense is asking a lot no matter who it is, no matter how talented they are.

[A]

Well, I think about that where I feel like people think that like Sean wasn't in on offensive meetings and he was, he was in the quarterbacks room. Like, like Sean was around all of that. Because that's what you do.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

As the head coach you coach the coaches.

[A]

Correct. You're involved in all of that stuff. So. Yeah. And look, and I also think that my dream hire, I don't know like what you guys have talked about, like my dream hire is Dable hand up. That is partly biased because I respect Brian Dable more than certain members of my, of my family have you ever.

[C]

Talked to the family members that are Dable's ahead of no, but they know.

[A]

But, but family members have asked and I've been like, it's not you. It's totally not.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah. They've been like, who do you mean? And I was like, who? Who? Yeah. But my, my dream scenario is Brian D. Because of the experience. And then that's partly why this isn't. This isn't the Browns, this isn't the Raiders, this isn't the Cardinals where it feels like a rebuild. Like you want to continue what is you don't really have a Runway to have two or three years to kind of get this thing right. Bean has that short Runway too. Bean's got to get this right. As we've talked about, like in this off season. And whoever comes in as head coach, he's got to do a good job of fixing some of these issues, whether it's the salary cap, it's not real. And and some of the these coaching positions that will need to be filled as Bean takes over as the CEO of all CEOs.

[C]

So dream is Dayl and then Davis.

[A]

Webb as the offensive coordinator.

[B]

Now if you. Here's, here's where things get interesting, though. If you think that Davis Webb is this upand cominging guy like people have talked about, that he could be a true game changer in the NFL if the Bills offense does very well next season, Davis Webb gets head coaching interviews and he's out the building in a year. Is it more advantageous to take your lumps and take Davis Webb as an inexperienced guy and think, okay, but we think he can be the guy Again, think is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. But if you think you have the guy, do you take him a year early as opposed to maybe losing him after one season?

[A]

That is the gamble.

[C]

I don't think thousand percent any legitimate NFL team while they're concerned about losing the guy after a year. If it's winning a Super bowl and you lose him after a year, you will sign up for that a thousand out of a thousand times. I bring that up because it's happened in Philly twice.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Where the offensive coordinator has gotten a head coaching job, even three Super Bowls. Each time their offensive coordinator left. Once was with Doug Peterson and then twice with Nick Sirianni.

[B]

But that doesn't guarantee you win a Super bowl either.

[C]

Absolutely. But the idea is you get the best guy you can. But to your point, they believe that guy isn't just an offensive coordinator. They I think they believe that Davis Webb can be a head coach. So the question is, is he Sean McVay or is he just a guy that could be a really good coordinator after a little bit of time and you feel like he and Josh Allen will make it work?

[A]

Well, it's also.

[B]

He's good pals with Josh. He's barely older than Josh. Like, there's so much that goes into it that just makes this fascinating.

[A]

So that's an interesting point. And I think Josh is involved.

[B]

Josh is. Is reportedly very involved.

[A]

So he's in on the meetings. He's. He's part of the Bill's brass that is going around and interviewing these coaches. So, yes, there is that concern. And people, you know, I. People saying it's crazy that he's in on meetings. Like, I don't. I don't think it's crazy. I think that he has input. That's what Bean and. And Pula both said. He will have input, which I think he should. I. I think, yeah.

[B]

Just because you have input doesn't mean you have final say.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

I just want to make that very clear.

[A]

And so I guess I'm more intrigued by Yudinsky because he is this up and cominging hot shot, highly sought after. What are you giggling about?

[B]

No, I'm laughing. How many times can we say up and coming in a podcast? But, like, it is that, like, we talk about that with Davis Webb and Grantinsky.

[C]

Isn't that funny? We like the phrases. You are a retread. Right. Because it's like, as soon as a guy who's done it, if he hasn't been spectacular.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He's automatically a retread.

[B]

Well, it's also funny, too. When I was saying in the podcast the other day, I'm like, I want someone with head coaching experience. And people like, well, this guy failed. I was like, yeah, if you're a head coach that's on the market, that has previous head coaching experience, it's because you, quote, failed.

[C]

You're never. You're not allowed to. You have to be great from the first day. That's the thing. Right. But it's like, don't you hold.

[B]

That's why you're available and have had coaching experience, because you failed.

[A]

The Chiefs hired a retread.

[C]

Yes, that's right. By the way, the Broncos hired a retread.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

As their head coach. Right. I mean, granted, there's retreads who've had success and then. And then not. There's retreads who we know personally with Brian Dabel that he has learned and admitted his mistakes. He knows where he has failed. That doesn't guarantee that you're going to be better the next time, but man, it sure certainly shortens the path of being better when you are self realizing things. I need to do better, should have done better.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And now when you get another opportunity, you're different.

[A]

The magnitude of that seat, as we talked about to be the CEO is something that you think you may know, but you don't. You don't know what you don't know. And I think about that and that's part of why I liked Joe Brady as offensive coordinator, because he had failed with the Saints. Again, you can talk about circumstances, you can talk about the organization, but like I remember when like Joe was, was, he still is here. But like when he was talking about it was like learning from where he failed and, and the knowledge that you get, Sean talks about it, the scars and that's how you grow and get better. So you're right. This, this moniker of a retread comes as like a scarlet letter. And sometimes it's hey, I'm going to do better my second time around.

[C]

Janet it's also something, there's something kind of exciting to go with the candidate who has no scars. There's nothing negative about them. It is all like, wow, this guy wowed them. He blew them away. He's all those things.

[A]

Has anybody had a bad interview?

[C]

Those you just hear usually, I guess.

[A]

The enemy is the only one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That we heard was like bad head coaching jobs.

[C]

I think he went into it a little. I also heard years ago that was Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame and they wanted him so badly they brought him back again and. And he ended up going to Notre Dame. Charlie Weiss SENIOR yeah, that we're talking about here. But I also look at this and say, I wonder if Brandon Bean and Terry Pula want to really take a big swing. And you have Josh Allen, you have the unicorn of a quarterback. It is so rare to have a guy with this ability at the prime of his career. And a head coaching opening.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I mean it would be as if. Forget the injury, but like if all of a sudden Andy Reid said I'm retiring and there was nobody going to take that job and it was wide open to get to Coach Mahomes still in his prime. Like, come on, that just doesn't happen very often that that person is free and out there. I'm a, I'm a little disappointed and slightly surprised that it wasn't like Everybody coming out of the woodwork to do this, even coaches in current jobs who might be like, get me, I'm going to get out of this because I get to coach Josh Allen. I think. Sorry, but that goes to roster and, and some flexibility that you have with this team.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

That I think is a bit of a negative. It's not Josh Allen that's a bit of the negative. But they still are in the mix here with the, I'd say for this year, the guys that are considered the top young, young candidates. Yeah, that's two of the ones they're talking to right now.

[A]

And so that's where I keep going back to you, Jinsky. And I keep thinking that if the Bills want to take, like you said, that big swing, it is sink or swim. You're not pushing half your chips in on a bluff or like, I don't know if I have the best hand. You're pushing all of your chips in. Grant Yudinsky gets full control of Josh, the offense. He's going to bring in his people. If you think that he is the next McVeigh, the next Kevin OConnell, the next Matt LaFleur guy that, you know, Shanahan, you're giving him carte blanche like, like you are you, you're going all in on Grant Udinsky. You're not dipping your toe in going, well, we'll bring in a, a veteran to, to help him out along the way. Maybe that's what he wants, but he's going to do it with his guys and he's going to do it his way. Because I just don't think if you're going to take that big swing, you're not giving the green light to a hitter on a 30 pitch and then, you know, letting him hit a dribbler.

[C]

Jenna, he went poker and baseball. Golf is next.

[B]

I was. We need a third. Happens in threes.

[C]

He'll think of it.

[A]

So if you're on a par five.

[B]

You'Re going for, you're not laying up. No, you're not. I mean, I, I see what you're saying.

[C]

Is there anything to. What I'm saying is them taking like Dable is going to the past for.

[B]

The future, you're gonna have to explain.

[C]

That Dable already has been here and had success with Josh. That is a positive, but it's also what they've already done. You go with one of these 30 year old coaches, I'll say this, you look innovative, you look willing to do whatever it takes. I'm not saying it works. I'm saying is now it is fully the choice of Brandon Bean and Terry Pula. If you say Grant Yudinsky is going to be our head coach, because that is, they had no connection with him if they pick him.

[A]

Right. And that's where. I guess I also wonder too, like, where and how much is the Josh input? Because, Because Webb, Dable, Brady, Josh is all familiar connections. There's all connections. You didn't ski. There is no connections. There is no ties. He was in Minnesota with Kevin o', Connell and then obviously he's been with Liam Cohen. So that's, that's where I wonder.

[B]

He's a good talker.

[C]

What do you think of Josh being in the meetings?

[B]

I get why he's in the meetings. I think that from the outside looking in, I think a lot of people were saying, like, this is crazy national media and stuff, but Josh is. You want to keep, A, your generational quarterback happy. And B, I think to me, it's interesting how involved he is in this process. Like, I would expect him to be involved, but the level of the intenseness in which it's, you know, Josh is in every meeting, to me is kind of interesting because I feel like, hey, you know, the further down we get, I know a little bit about these guys. The further down we get, the closer we get. I, I want to be roped in. Whereas to me, it's interesting that all along the way he's. He's in all of these meetings.

[C]

Now, that's fascinating because there is nothing saying that everybody is in the room for the entire time. Meaning, like, if a coach wants to have open conversation with the general manager and the owner about what he would do, it's hard to do with that person sitting in the room with you, because if you say, hey, listen, I love Josh, I need him to do more of this and that and the other, you can say you're going to say it in that moment, but you're trying to get the job also for Josh, maybe. See, part of the reason I'm happy he's there is because this is speed dating here. As much as we can say, they know these guys. These interviews happen relatively quickly. What do you.

[B]

No. Valentine's Day is coming up.

[C]

Yes. So it kind of is like where you're sitting there going, okay, we have this time with him.

[B]

And it's, it's a bit like musical chairs, too.

[C]

It is. So you're flying the jet in.

[B]

You're.

[C]

You're going to la, you're going to Miami, where Or to Florida, wherever they are. And they're meeting with these people. So you bring them in and it's like, there is, to me, nothing wrong with saying maybe. I don't know, we could find out. Maybe they'll tell us. But maybe it is Bean and Pegula and Brian Gain or whoever's there in the beginning. And then Josh is there, and Josh comes in the room and they have conversations, and Josh gets to sit and talk with the guy one on one. I think you want honesty out of the coach. That being said, I don't know if this group has accepted honesty at times, but I would want my future head coach to be honest with me about what I think of the roster, what I think of Josh. We know how great Josh is, but a coach may come in and say, there's things. This is what I would want to do. How is Josh with this? How is Josh with that? It's a lot harder to do when your franchise quarterback is sitting right next to everybody and you're. You're talking about him while he's right there. I think if you want that honest dialogue, maybe that's the way they do it. But my only point is, you don't have three weeks to sit and talk to him and go through nine interviews. It's going to happen quickly.

[B]

This is also a level of control that I think is more than I would expect Josh Allen to have. Josh Allen, I feel like, loves to be like one of the guys, and obviously he is not that, but he is so actively involved in this, and there's such a level of him having an imprint on this search. To me, that is. That is something worth noting, because that, to me says, A, he is the cornerstone of this franchise. But also I feel like if that was me, I'd be like, I trust you guys, whatever. But the fact that he's in on every meeting, to me is interesting because if. If I am Josh Allen, I want to be in on every meeting only if I feel like I can't trust some of the decisions that are going.

[C]

To be 100% fair.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That would be my opinion. If I'm Josh, and if you guys were hiring a fourth person, I would trust you guys. Then down the line, I'd be like, all right, like, loop me.

[C]

Should we tell her?

[B]

But that's why I didn't say replacing me. But if you guys, I'd be like, all right, I trust you guys. Like, loop me in when we need to. But if I was like, I don't know. I'D be like, hey, like, show. I want to be there for everything. I think there is some level of. If I'm Josh needing control because maybe you want to be able to control what is going into these decisions because you feel more confident in your ability than maybe others.

[C]

What other quarterbacks would be in on the meetings would be. I think Burrow would be mostly.

[B]

I think that would be to appease Burrow and to keep him happy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And again, shout out Zach Taylor and Todd Bowles. Just want to throw that out there.

[C]

How they hung in, how they held.

[A]

How they held in there when every coach is getting fired. Yeah. Todd Bowles tried guys with a lot of success. Yeah.

[C]

Todd Bowles was like, my team stinks and they quit. You're coming back.

[A]

Like, I. I'd want Baker in. In those meetings. I'd want.

[C]

I don't know if Baker gets there.

[A]

I. I'm not saying I'm asking.

[C]

Who you think actually would get this?

[A]

I. Mahomes, Burrow. Lamar had some. He had some input.

[C]

They were saying Stafford, but it was. It's very different circumstances at the end of his career. And he probably is going to. Maybe he's going to retire. I just think he has earned the right to be part of it. But it is.

[A]

And again, something I understand. Like, I understand the Browns taking the swing, the big swing and the gamble on the up and coming. Who you hope to be the next McVeigh. I am just a little concerned. And you talked about it, like being in those conversations and being in those meetings, which we are not in the building. We are not a part of any of these conversations.

[C]

And.

[A]

Oh, that's such a good. That was such a good interruption.

[C]

It was. But the reason I wanted to bring it up is I give this to the Bills. You have not heard anybody being wowed? Anything? Nothing. They don't leak anything?

[A]

Nope.

[C]

Like, the most you're getting is they're interviewing this guy.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Have we heard one legitimate word about how any of these have gone?

[A]

No. We obviously heard from Phil Rivers, agent, about how he was taking this very seriously and it was very real. That was what the reports were coming out, that this wasn't just circumstance. This was a real interview.

[C]

And I. I believe the Bills. It was intriguing. I think they were doing Rivers a little bit of a solid here. He was in on the mix at some point. But I'm saying is the Bills are good at this. They shut it down. Like, you are not hearing anything coming out of the meeting.

[A]

So what I wanted to piggyback off your comment, Mike, where you said, like, somebody to be honest with Josh.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

D. Can be honest with Josh.

[C]

Well, he's done that.

[A]

He's.

[C]

He's.

[A]

He's proven that. So that's where again, you. You want the adult in the room. And again, Grant Udinsky may be all of that. He may be all of that. I. It's just. That's where you talk about. He hasn't failed. He's not the retread. So you don't have the negative retread on him. He is hope. He is excitement. He is wonder. He is the wisdom.

[B]

He's wonder.

[A]

I'm just saying, like, that's, that's what it's.

[B]

No, no, I hear you. It's just. It's funny. It's. That's funny.

[A]

Like, all of Yudinsky's pros outweigh his cons.

[B]

He doesn't have the scars.

[A]

Yeah. So again. And that's where I go back to if this is so much. You're hoping this guy that they hire is Josh Allen's last head coach. You're hoping he's here for 10 to 12 years with Josh and wins a Super Bowl. And it's a little bit of a. The gamble with what you're seeing with Udinsky because he hasn't even been in control of play calling, let alone in charge of the CEO of a whole.

[C]

Yeah. Team.

[B]

When do you think we're going to know? I would say Thursday because I have plans.

[C]

I announced on. It's announced on Wednesday. Press conference on Thursday.

[B]

You think they would do a press conference the next day?

[C]

Yeah, because I think they bring the coach in.

[A]

Yeah. And he stays.

[C]

He comes in. They don't let.

[A]

You'll hear that.

[C]

Don't let him leave the building.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Oh, God, don't let him leave.

[B]

No, I think it's announced Wednesday. No, I think it's. I think Friday because again, I have plans.

[A]

Can I tell you your birthday?

[C]

How the. How.

[B]

No, Thursday is my birthday.

[A]

Good.

[C]

All the time.

[A]

Good, good. Got that out there now. So I know for sure when Jetta's birthday is.

[C]

So I gotta tell you this funny story. So there is. Way back, the Eagles had Buddy Ryan, Rex's dad, as the coach.

[B]

Are you ready?

[C]

And Norman Braman was the owner and he had. Oh, my God. They're assistant coaches. Where. What's his name? The coach the Rams for years and always finished 500. Jeff Fiser was a defensive coordinator and the offensive coordinator was Rich Kotite, who was the guy everybody made Fun of. He ended up going to the jets to be the head coach and failed miserably there. And the story is Bremen was pissed off. Can you imagine a coach getting mad when you lose a playoff game and then firing the head coach right away? Crazy. Raymond fires Buddy Ryan three years in a row in the playoffs they didn't win, fires them. They want to talk to both coaches. Coti is walking up to the office fully expecting to get fired because they failed. And he walks up and Bremen tells him, you're the next head coach. We're promoting you to head coach.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And Jeff Fisher didn't get the job and he ended up going on to the Rams and whatever to coach. Think about the difference the way it used to be. Like, now we have this whole process in multiple interviews, and they go through also, by the way, it was a terrible choice. He did make the playoffs and win a game, but he was a terrible coach and then terrible in his next job. But I think about when the Bills hired these coaches, there was a process. It is nothing like it is now. It is nothing. It is so much time put into all this stuff. And people are considered that never would have been considered before. So let's see if they get it right. But they have put this pressure on themselves to really have to get this right. Sean established a floor and nobody was happy with the ceiling, but you got to get to that floor, and it's going to take a lot for the next guy.

[B]

Yeah. I did listen to. We've obviously talked to Davis Webb before. I think he's a good talker. Listening to Grant Udinsky, I was like, he's a good talker as well. Like, I. I know some people be like, that doesn't matter. But I. I do think that matters, especially in the room, how you present yourself. Also for our jobs. That's obviously an important piece as well. But that was something that I was like, okay. I could see these guys being head coaches. I don't know if I expected it to be now. Yeah. And obviously Dable has the experience that, you know, he's. He's been the guy before, so he understands the piece that comes with that, too.

[A]

Yeah. That's why I. I really like Davis Webb to be an oc And I know I was talking to somebody in the know that said he pretty much wouldn't want to leave to be an OC if he's not calling plays.

[B]

So it's fair.

[A]

So that's. That's fair. And again, that's. That's what I feel like for the most part, usually gets you. That's when you have a little bit of the track record. If you've been the coordinator, like he's running offense. He's called the place.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Not, not the Matt Naggies, not the, you know, the guys that are underneath. Kevin O', Connell, like Oconnell calls the place, LaFleur calls the place, Shanahan calls the place. All of those kind of things. I do also think that Dable has shown at times, maybe a little bit was to. To shake things up, but he did give up some responsibilities of play calling at times to Mike Kafka. So that is part of it too. So just trying to figure that out. But Davis Webb's going from a quarterback coach and a passing game from a.

[C]

Quarterback to a quarterback coach.

[A]

Right. That's what I'm saying. So I think that would be. You go from Davis Webb, who we heard, and I know we've mentioned before, like ran the quarterback room meetings in Buffalo when he was here three times a week. So he knows obviously that room.

[C]

Do you know why he did that? He wowed him.

[A]

And then you're going up to being in charge of the entire offense. So you're then in the meeting rooms with offensive line coaches. You're in the wide receivers, tight ends. It's that to me. And again, seeing the gradual progression of a coach going literally climbing the ladder, of hitting each steps and not jumping things.

[B]

Do you think it's almost better that Yudinsky doesn't have a prior connection, Josh? Yes, I, I agree with that.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I think that's to be determined.

[C]

It is. Doesn't mean it's going to be.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I, I can't sit here for the guy that loves hot takes. I can't sit here and be like, yes or no.

[B]

I just think that it's different when we're best friends. If you were my boss, it would be different. Like, it's just. It's different.

[C]

It's better. Cuz I don't like her. Hey, by the way, I just wanted to correct you for a second. It's figuratively climbing the ladder because there's not literally a ladder. He has to go.

[A]

Did I say literally?

[C]

You said figure. You said literally climbing the ladder.

[B]

Maybe, maybe we don't know, Mike.

[C]

Maybe we're not going to the. Oh, oh. Offensive line is up here. And there he goes climbing.

[A]

That's why people come to Buffalo. Plus there's comments.

[C]

It's.

[A]

It's a, it's A literal ladder.

[C]

Well, it's just. It's just, you know, it's an old man.

[B]

That is something that you.

[C]

Yeah, it's just when people say literally and they spell it out, it's literally that. No, he literally put the team on his back. Now, Josh has done that.

[A]

Literally.

[C]

Right, but you know what you mean when you say that figuratively.

[A]

That's where I. I think it's Daybler Yudinsky is. Is the hunch and the feeling that, you know, we're kind of kicking tires around and talking to people. That's what it feels like. And to me, they're just. They're very different.

[C]

Would you be stunned, Janet, if it's Davis Webb, head coach?

[B]

I would be a little surprised. But also, it just feels like this. I'm. I've kind of been just surprised for the last week. So, like, I don't know.

[C]

You would be surprised.

[B]

I wouldn't. I. I feel like it's going to come down to those three. It's you, Udinsky, D and Web. So I. I'm.

[C]

They're not afraid to take a big swing. Look, if you wanted to the safe. He's been with him. Whatever you. You could have elevated Joe Brady. That never seemed to be in the mix. These other teams wanted to talk to him a lot. But in terms of working with Josh and then having more responsibility, I just don't know if in the building he was thought of as a head coach.

[B]

What do you think of the odds, Dan? If you could break down the odds, Uncle Dan, would you. Who would you be most surprised by? Who would you be most like, break down your thought process?

[C]

I would say 50% dable.

[B]

Is that like being surprised by the level of surprise?

[C]

No. What. What is. You're right. More likely, I guess. But then again, this whole thing surprised everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I just have a feeling they are going to take a big swing. Dable is the reason I say safest choice because he has had coaching experience and he has had a lot of success actually calling plays and working with Josh. I don't know if Brian Dabel wants to come and give away the keys to anybody else to call plays for Josh Allen. I know what Dan is saying about Davis Webb. That's a tough place to go if you're Davis Webb. As much as he knows DL D wants to coach Josh again, that's my belief that he wants to coach Josh again. That means calling the plays for your quarterback. I think that's what he wants to do. I just have had this feeling since this has gone this way. They are taking a big swing and it could very well be Philip Rivers like right.

[A]

I have updated odds and again these.

[B]

Are all I really want us to be recording when they announce.

[A]

Yeah, like this. Like this. You know Kelsey and all those poly.

[B]

I just learned about Kelsey.

[A]

Yeah. So this is from BET Online AG updated odds. This is as of this morning, 11am Brian Dables plus 150. Davis Webb is plus 160. Kubiak is plus 350. Udinsky is plus 700. Joe Brady is 10 to 1.

[B]

So that is very interesting.

[A]

Again, these are odds. This is when they always say like this player becomes available and it's like who's his next team? And it's always the Bills. Like that doesn't always actually happen. I think it's. And when you ask like you didn't. You're Dable. It is fascinating to me because of. They just seem like two completely different routes. So you're going with Josh and familiarity and Josh's experience like in that. And you're going to Yudinsky who has the unknown. Even if, even if you want to say that Dable's knownness and those scars that we've talked about is a negative, you at least know what they are. And we kind of joked around at times with Sean over the past few years. The devil you know is sometimes better than the devil you don't. You're just. I honestly like I want it to be Dable. If I had to put my money where my kids tuition, I may lean Yudinsky because I think that's the biggest thing.

[B]

But that's interesting.

[A]

Not enough because you please like comment, subscribe and share to get Buffalo plus to the moon.

[B]

But you're not even entertaining. Feels like Davis Webb.

[A]

No.

[B]

Really.

[A]

Why to me, Davis Webb feels a. A little bit. It's not the same as Philip Rivers, but it just also feels like he's a little bit. He's the next cycle. That's just my feeling.

[C]

But to Janice's point of a year early as opposed to being a year late and they don't get this guy and he goes somewhere else. The other thing I think while we're comparing the choices they're making now, it is also for this organization, it is a choice between not a choice. It is the succession from the way Sean McDermott handled things to the way the new person is going to handle things.

[B]

What did I tell you in our text message? The pendulum swing.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Sean was consistency, stability.

[A]

Before that it was Rex before Rex.

[B]

Ryan was Flash, sizzle, all that.

[A]

Marone was boring.

[C]

And then you turn into the organization that is going to want to accommodate the new head coach. Part of reason to get them, part of the reason to sell them is there is no way in my mind these guys aren't walking in the room asking at some point what are you doing at wide receiver? Like, Brandon Bean knows this too. They have to make changes. He does.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

No, I, I made the example of second husband, second spouse. You gotten maybe some altercations or arguments or just discuss with your previous spouse and they would tell you all the things that you did wrong and you pushed back about it. But then when it comes time for the second one, you go, maybe I need to work on some of this stuff or at least, at least help.

[B]

Out more around the house.

[C]

Maybe, you know, there's a lot of things that you can do and say.

[B]

Maybe putting the dishes in the dishwasher.

[C]

It is harder to be this self realized when you're in the middle of it. But once it ends and they have made their decision, Sean is out, the new person's coming in. I don't want to hear any more blaming of Sean McDermott. He's gone. You know what I mean? Like, it's not his decisions.

[A]

They, the previous administration has nothing to do with this moving forward.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I guess just, we're just going to leave that comment as it is.

[C]

Yes. Because maybe you do hear that, that it's the last guy's fault, but in this case it's like, I don't care at this point. You're making all the decisions now and I do believe they are going to want to give this moat as much as they possibly can to an offensive head coach with Josh Allen to try to make this thing really go. And so I, that's a positive in that way. But I still feel like the big swing is coming. I'm with you on Dable. I like the guy. I like his experience with Josh. I like him being a head coach before. But you can also say, you know, coming off the Giants experience, replacing a guy who was in the second round of the playoffs every year is, is something to do. Yep. And people are critic critical of Mike McCarthy getting a job in Pittsburgh.

[B]

I was right.

[C]

But Mike. Well, you have. But Mike McCarthy's made the playoffs a bunch of times and in his history has won a Super Bowl. So that's the only thing I would say. Mike McCarthy, I think you guys are a little too critical of him because offensively I think he's a good Coach, I think he's a good offensive coach.

[B]

That's fine. Offensively, good coach. Overall. Head coach, I don't agree. I don't.

[C]

36 and 15 in three years in.

[B]

Dallas doesn't have a quarterback.

[A]

Yeah, it was very funny tweet that I sent the group that it felt like Mike McCarthy was moving on from Mike Thoma was like, you crapped your pants and changed your shirt.

[C]

Do we, do we have any time to talk about the Super Bowl? Bowl? I wanted to waste as much time as possible so we didn't have to talk about the Super Bowl.

[B]

So gross.

[C]

I'm glad that Digs stepped up in the championship game.

[B]

17 yards.

[C]

17 yards. Look, congrats to Steph.

[A]

He got to the super bowl back, people. And I even framed it up looser because I thought that you would. There you go.

[C]

Congrats to Steph.

[B]

You sat here and you're like, wow, this is hard. It is hard to see.

[C]

Jenna interrupted me, but not by talking to me. She was talking to Dan.

[B]

Yeah, okay, hold on. One to eight billion.

[C]

Well, it's great. You're gaining. They did make the Super Bowl. Now that game, they had virtually no offense. Give the Patriots credit. They have figured out a way to get there. I do believe there's a lot of teams with that path that would have made it. The other teams didn't have that path. That was the path that they earned with their record. And they got breaks, massive breaks. But they made the super bowl. So congrats to them. But I'm not. Hey, by the way, I didn't want them to win. I don't want them to win now. That's right. But at the same time, it's a little funny. It was like C.J. stroud going off the field when they beat Pittsburgh, yelling at the fans. I'm like, dude, you nearly single handedly put Pittsburgh in the second round. And then he went out and actually did it for New England. There's times not to talk Steph talking about people doubted me after a 17 yard championship game. I mean, that's fine. He got there, but yeah. And Drake may, I think, can play much better. Yes, he is not exactly lit it up in the three games, but congrats to him because he found a way on the ground. Their defense played really good. Yeah, their defense was really good.

[A]

Yeah, it's a little bit like.

[C]

But they scored What? I mean, 18 point, 19 points a game.

[A]

There were a couple of passes that Stitty threw that I was like, is he throwing with the wrong Hand. And you know what? Love Dan Orlovsky. He actually apologized because originally he said that when the Patriots beat the Texans, he said that 31 other quarterbacks would have won that game. And he's like, that was too harsh to say.

[C]

That is pretty harsh, 100%. Yeah.

[A]

We'll also say, I think there were a number of other quarterbacks that would have won that game for the Broncos against the Patriots.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It is just unbelievable, the luck that they have had to get to this point.

[C]

Yeah, they've. It. It has all broken their way.

[B]

It truly has.

[C]

That being said, they have found ways to win the games. That was. That was an ugly game. And the weather came in. Pro football talk, once I'm at neutral sites, they blocked me, so I can't answer them back. But, like, I mean, come on, we're not doing neutral sites. There's a neutral site. Super bowl home games in the championship.

[A]

So I know that you play the game. That's why they'll end up playing the game. I couldn't jump on Seattle minus three and a half fast enough. It is already up to four and a half. And again, the Patriots seem to always find all their Super Bowls have been wacky and insane and instant classic games. I just think it really is true.

[C]

They've rarely had a game that wasn't insane. I mean, outside of them losing to Tampa. Right. That was the game. No, I'm sorry, that was the Patriots. That was. That was Mahomes. What am I saying is losing. Yeah, they lost the two crazy ones to the Giants. They lost the wild game to the Eagles. They beat the Panthers on a field goal at the end. They beat the Rams in a field goal at the end, they beat the Eagles by a field goal. Like all their games have been that way in the super bowl and then obviously the Seattle one with the interception.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Malcolm Butler. But yeah, should be fun. For two weeks.

[A]

Jenna.

[B]

Watching that game, I mean, it was the AFC Championship. I was just like. It was just boring. Then the weather got bad, and then it was like just someone made a play. Yeah.

[C]

Because they. The offense was bad before the weather was there.

[B]

Well, yeah.

[C]

I mean, it really was.

[A]

I.

[C]

He did think early. I think he looked back and probably should have kicked that field goal to go. Yeah, yeah. But I think at the moment, with the way the weather was, he was thinking, I get it. We're going to need more points. It was fourth and one.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

But, man, stid him when he was. When he made that one throw was like, okay, yeah. The Rest of the time. I mean, dude, he threw up all over himself on that pass rush that ended. And it was a fumble.

[B]

Yeah, fumble. But I just.

[C]

And for the Bills fans, you got then to listen to Tom Brady for three hours and also see a catch. Guy hits the ground. Yeah, catch again. You're gonna get that. Every game.

[A]

They reviewed every play, every for like, 19 minutes.

[C]

And Gene. Gene Stereotor agreed with everything.

[A]

Everything. He agreed with the call of it being an incomplete pass.

[C]

And then they changed it.

[A]

He's like, you're right. Totally. Like, if there was any question that you had of how those guys carry water for the league, it was on full display on Sunday.

[C]

I actually had one quick thought, but even though we're late here, I wanted to mention it to you. I think they'd almost be better having somebody on the game part of the broadcast, even if they're not in the booth. Like, pro football Doc is like an injury person more so than the rules guys, because the rules guys add nothing. The injury doctors, like, sometimes it'd be like, I watched the replay of it. I don't think he's coming back in the game. That would be more information than just hearing an official go. Yeah, it was a good call, Jim. You know, way to go. Actually, they add nothing.

[A]

I thought Brady was good. Brady's getting better in the booth.

[B]

Yay. He's just so likable.

[C]

Yes, he is. Every man. And then you got Gronk at halftime. It's like you got Patriots out on that day. But don't worry, they won't talk about it much in the Super Bowl.

[B]

I think the Patriots win the Super Bowl. I just think that they've been so lucky. It just feels like that's. I'm mentally preparing myself for that.

[C]

Sam Darnold. Now, that abdomen, he's got to be like, he woke up. He can't move.

[A]

Clint Kubiak was in his bag.

[B]

Yes, yes. But seeing JSN and Pukinakua make big.

[C]

Plays in big moments, that wide receiver play was so elite. Devonte Adams made a couple phenomenal plays in that game. And these quarterbacks are really good.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Darnold can't play better than that. That was great. But, man, those guys make plays for him. Pukua is absurd.

[B]

Dude is a dog.

[C]

I don't. Somebody was like, what would Josh do with Puka and Devonte Adams? Oh, my God. Give me one of them. Give me Cooper cup.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like any of them.

[B]

Ah, okay. Anything else?

[A]

I imagine our next video will be announcing that there's the head coach, the white smoke.

[C]

It's Rex Ryan, by the way. I can't believe when I hear some of the stuff he says. First of all, he keeps saying that should call Bill Belichick. Just stop the stuff Rex says. And I think they turned the franchise over to him. Man. They've come a long way.

[B]

He's charismatic.

[C]

That's one word for it, I'm saying, like when you mean with those white teeth.

[B]

Those teeth, whoever did that, they are bright. They are. They are a choice.

[A]

Hope everybody's staying safe through this crazy winter storm. Ice storm all around. So we know we have people watching all over the place. Appreciate it as always.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, coming in real quick.

[C]

Will came up to me. Yes, Will, thank you. Big fan of Buffalo. Plus he's on the dayble train, I think he thinks. Stable came up to me. I was at a bar watching a friend of mine's bar band play and Will came up. So great to see you there. And Bill's saying they have completed an.

[B]

Interview with Davis Webb for our head coaching position. Yes, they have officially confirmed.

[C]

Wow. So there's a lot. By the way. There's a lot of decisions to make because they're going to have a new dc. I would believe.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That there. That would be the case. I wonder if Anthony Weaver's in the mix for that if he doesn't get a head coaching job.

[B]

I could see that. I also.

[C]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Well, we'll see. We'll see what they end up doing.

[B]

Okay. So official picks. You're going Yudinsky.

[C]

No.

[B]

Or no?

[A]

Well, my dream.

[B]

Okay, sorry.

[A]

Is my dream is Dable and Davis Webb, head coach, offensive coordinator.

[B]

I think that's everyone's. Here's how. Dream hedges.

[C]

No, he's going to say what I.

[A]

Want and what I think.

[B]

I agree. I agree.

[C]

Go ahead. What do you think will happen? I don't care about your dreams anymore.

[B]

Mike's like, your dreams.

[A]

What's going to happen to the camera?

[C]

What's going.

[A]

I don't care about your dreams.

[C]

I don't care about your dreams.

[A]

I think it's. I. I want dable. I'm like 51 49.

[C]

It's.

[A]

You didn't.

[B]

I don't even remember exactly where that came from. Who. Who do you think? The Bills. Higher.

[C]

The Bills are higher. It's not your choice.

[B]

Webb.

[C]

I'm with you on Webb. I think they're taking a massive swing.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

I think they would take the massive swing. I think the bigger swing Is you didn't ski.

[B]

You think the bigger swing is Yudinsky.

[C]

Because he doesn't have the connection with Josh.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

That's understandable. But they're both young relatively.

[B]

I think they're pretty equally big swings.

[C]

Yes. By the way, Davis Webb got the beard, but that's not the cool half beard. That's like a Grizzly Adams had a beard. Yeah, he goes with that kind of. Because he would have had a head coaching job already if he just went with the.

[B]

That is so.

[A]

I would just love to know that somebody watched this video and like started watching like 10 minutes in was like, I just want to know who they're who they think is going to be. And they waited until minute 52 to actually be like they gave their pick for all the real people that follow all the way and listen all the way to the end.

[C]

Oh, love that life. Advice is is available now. We're going to start this podcast.

[B]

Hey, buffalo/gmail.com Dan will put it on.

[C]

The bottom of the screen, right? Is that what you do? I just. I just.

[A]

Or a link. Or a link in the description.

[C]

Yeah, but it's nice on the bottom of the screen.

[B]

People say, why you can just click on a link.

[C]

Does anybody go to your descriptions?

[A]

I write very nice ones.

[C]

Hey, buffaloplus.com if you got something going on like, well, like a lot of the nonsense that we talk about and you want a little advice from the Buffalo plus team, send it in. We'll be doing it on the podcast especially during the off season, which I don't know when it's going to start. Never. It's the non playing season. That's going to go on for a while.

[B]

But did he wow?

[C]

Did he wow?

[A]

Oh, Jenna's cooking.

[C]

Did he wow? If he didn't wow, then he's not going to blow them away.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Okay, that's eight.

[B]

That is eight.

[A]

Like comment subscribe?

[B]

Yeah, like comment subscribe share email at hey Buffalo plus Gmail for your questions. All right, that'll do it for us.

[A]

Udinsky Web Web.

[C]

And I really want D. I want DL too.

[B]

Yeah, we.

[A]

No, you can't hedge. I don't care what your dreams are.

[C]

I didn't hedge. I didn't say it was my dream.

[A]

I just said my dream is dble.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's all of ours.

[A]

Well, I made it very clear. I set it 10 toes down it with my chest.

[B]

Okay, Dable? Okay. All right, bye.

[A]

Now. From the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is the Buffalo plus podcast.