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The BILLS make CUTS: INITIAL REACTION to the 53-man roster
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Mike, I'm surprised we've made it, you know, eight minutes into this podcast and you haven't lectured us on the fluidity of the 53 man roster. Well, because, Professor, I did.
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I said to you guys that things could change even now.
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This is the Buffalo plus podcast brought to you by Connors and Ferris.
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All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus channel, presented by Connors in Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We're going to get into our bill's initial 53 man roster, what we think about it. But first, Daniel, we're going to talk about our live show coming up September 4th at the Thirsty Turtle from 5:00pm to 7:00pm yeah.
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B
Really? Yeah. We're gonna be there till 8. It's meet and greet time 5 to 7, Jenna. Yeah, it'll be fun. We cannot wait to see a lot of the people that we, we know from Buffalo plus and meet new people, right, Dan?
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Jenna is a phenomenal host, but we have been pushing her to push this show at the beginning of these videos and she does not like to be interrupted. And that's why she's like, Dan, we're gonna talk about the Thirsty Turtle, aren't we?
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C
It's literally is. Yeah, we're talking about the Thirsty Turtle. That being said though, very excited for that. It'll be September 4, 5 to 7 is the meet and greet. We'll be doing the podcast afterwards. Thirsty Turtle in Victor. It's gonna be so much fun. We did an event there last year was amazing. The turnout, like, we are so looking forward to it. So we got that coming up. Be sure to be there. We would love to meet you all. Okay, let's turn the page. It is Tuesday. The Bill is coming out with their 53 man roster at 6pm today. At least that's when they announced it. What's your initial takeaway, Mike?
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B
A little bit for those who don't know. They have to get the announcement into the league by 4 o'. Clock. The Bills, as my father would say, taking your grand old time, getting to wherever it was. It took two hours until we got the official list. We knew a lot of them, Jenna. When I look at it, I go right to the cornerbacks, right? Because I think, okay, they made the decision on Max and we've been at practice all the time. He's not practicing, he's not ready. It makes total sense. He goes on the four week ir, obviously they can bring him back on the roster. Makes great Sense. It's an indication, I think, that Trey White should be okay. We don't know for sure week one, but it feels like that's the case. We'll be up at practice, and then you start looking. Okay. Dane Jackson got released. I think Dane Jackson's going to end up on the practice squad. And I know some of you got Dane Jackson for what you'd have on the practice squad. It's good to have a guy like Dane Jackson who knows the position, but it's going to be, hey, Dorian. Strong, be ready. Jamarcus Ingram, be ready if Trey's not. So I went right to that position of where they are, really the whole secondary, but really at the corner spot and. And what they have in that. In that move to go to IR for Hairston.
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Yeah, two moves stood out to me. One, obviously, being Harrison going on ir. We don't know where he is in that recovery. Sean has always been vague about injuries and timelines and that kind of stuff. So I like not the fact of having to rush him back and not leaving yourself shorthanded to. With the roster situation, especially at defensive back. Like, you got to get somebody in there that can play now, and it doesn't rush the rookie back any sooner. So give him time. Give him the Runway. As we.
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C
I was cracking my back.
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B
If you just listen to this, Jenna was doing, like, twist.
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C
Cracking my back.
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Like, she's like, dan, do you have a take? So, Dan, what are your thoughts the rest of this? It's like, all right.
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B
Like, she never turned her back. Totally. She just crack.
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C
Just trying to get a little stretching. Okay, go on, Dan.
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A
And the other thing. Attention, class kids. Kids, can we pay attention?
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B
1, 2, 3.
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C
All eyes on me.
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A
Just put my daughter to bed. And I was like, 1, 2. Are we going upstairs now? Okay.
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B
By the way, is there anything at the end of that countdown?
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No.
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Eyes on me.
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Oh, no. I linger it out.
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B
Yeah, because you know what?
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Two. Two and a half. Two and three quarters. Two and seven eighths.
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I'm not gonna tell her, but there's no punishment at three.
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There's nothing. I just start the count over. Hey. One. Besides the Harrison and Trey news, keeping six wide receivers, that was a little bit of a surprise to me. The last two years, the Bills have only kept five, so they're keeping six this year. The best news, I think, of the entire training camp off season. Tyrell Shavers making the roster. Very cool moment. You know, we kind of. That one kind of got leaked earlier, but we were able to confirm it Through Buffalo. Plus, that was an awesome thing for a guy you talk about. It's funny, everybody was tweeting that Tyrell Shavers made the Bills roster. And I almost want to be like, tyrell Shavers earned a spot. Like, because like, more than anything, he didn't make it because of injuries. He didn't make it for anything else than like his play earned it. He went out there, didn't have a job coming in. Like he was not a projected, especially after getting cut last year. Like he was not projected to be on it and went out there and took a job and earned a job. That's a really cool moment. A guy that deserves it, that will be asked to do special teams. We saw him out there more in the preseason. They saw at least enough of what they wanted because he's going to be asked to do that when you're keeping six guys in that room. He's in. He plays special teams. But I thought that was the. Really. That was the highlight of the roster tonight.
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C
I thought that was so cool. Like to see a guy. I retweeted Mike's story that he did on him. Undrafted free agent, spent a couple years on the practice squad. We talked about him last year at training camp, darling pick. And to have the. The summer that he had this year. And it was like hard work and patience has paid off for Tyrell Shaver. So I think that is definitely one of the bright spots from today because, I mean, he's a player that. You're right, Dan. The word earned it or the phrase earned it really does come to mind. I was a little disappointed Jimmy Charlo wasn't on the roster. I mean, it's not. I shouldn't say it's shocking. Like he obviously hasn't been with the team even all that. All of that long. Definitely seems like depending on waivers and that situation, if he could come back to the Bills practice squad, cap all of that. But overall, I think what you guys were talking about, the Trey White. That to me was an encouraging sign, him not being on ir. Obviously we'll be in Buffalo or Orchard park on Wednesday and hopefully we'll have more of an update on him. But yeah, overall I think it was. I was a little surprised that Elijah Moore made the roster or there wasn't anything in terms of Curtis Samuel or Elijah Moore with Tyrell Shavers making it. But I think that they still believe obviously in. In Elijah Moore and I think Curtis Samuel's contract is just so top heavy essentially for them that to move on from him, it Would cost a lot of money. So do you think that there's any reason that it did take a couple hours after that? Like, I'm not trying to say that, like in a funny way, but do you think that Brandon Beam was possibly trying to do a trade or make some type of move?
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I mean, look, it could be like you could. You could still make a move and. Yeah, you know, because both. All teams had to be at 53, so you had to get to that 53. I really don't think it was. I don't know what the delay was. But the other thing I was thinking is, you know, it's six wide receivers and Dan, I was thinking, like you start to think how many of them dress for the games. You know, it usually would be five on occasion at six. Now, I would say it was like Jaylen Virgil when he got called up and dressed, you know, because he was playing special teams. That'll be interesting to see. Plus, also to your point, we still got a little bit of time before the season starts. Like, you look at what they have done and what's out there and let's see what happens in the waiver process. Let's see what happens even in. In picking up other, you know, unrestricted free agents. It's not set. And I'm saying is at the moment a sixth wide receiver. If you think of Tyrell Shavers as the sixth, you may think he doesn't have as much of a role, but he does at least now could play some special teams and he may very well be active ahead of an Elijah Moore maybe starting the season.
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Well, I think that's exactly it. I still don't know where Curtis Samuel's health is. So I think you're kind of double dipping with Samuel and Elijah Moore. I said that from the time he got there. I was like, you just have a lot of guys that kind of do the same thing. So if you think Curtis Samuel may need a little bit more time, maybe week one, Samuel isn't ready and maybe he's inactive. And so you. You have Elijah Moore to do his role. And then when Curtis Samuel gets healthy again, maybe Curtis Samuel is the one that sits out or you can kind of move those pieces around. So again, I've been on the anti Elijah Moore train. I just never have bought into the hype since they signed him. I wasn't necessarily shocked that they kept him. I was, you know, I thought that his contract and things like that, he would have to be really bad to not make it. I didn't know if they would keep five or six, they kept six. But again, that could be the insurance policy right now with the status of Curtis Samuel to kind of feel out where that is and then, hey my boy, pour some out for Mark Marquez Valdez scantling, he just got cut again by the Seahawks. So you never know. There are guys that are wide receivers that make the initial 53 and then aren't able or around long enough to leave the team in receiving yards. Like that does happen sometimes they get let go and they don't, they don't last that long. So again, Mike, I'm surprised we've made it, you know, eight minutes in this podcast and you haven't lectured us on the fluidity of the 53 man roster. Well, because Professor, I did believe I.
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I said to you guys that things could change even now. And then there's the, the other step which is still a ways away. But you have two players, certainly one of them that you believe is absolutely going to play and be ready to go in Hoyt and Ogun Jovi. And at that point they become roster players because they're not on the roster now and they're on the, what is it, the reserve suspended list. And then, you know, they're going to have to make room for if it is both of them coming back. Now a lot of things can change between now and then, but at the same time, the reason I say that is, you know, they're looking and going, okay, where are we short and where do we believe we needed to keep these players for different reasons. So I definitely think there could still be deals made, moves made between now and when we get to that Ravens game. I was interested to see Janet, that Shaq Thompson made the 53 and again he could be a player that gets cut eventually and brought back on the practice squad. But I think if he's healthy, I think they want him to be the backup middle because they don't trust Joann Driessen in that spot.
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So I would agree.
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You know, that's, it's again, it's, it could be tentative, it could be, it could be a longer term picture of what they're looking for at that position.
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Yeah, I mean I could definitely see why they would. I think with Shaq Tom, Shaq Thompson, you see the cognition piece like you see it's just his, he's had, he's obviously older on in his career. He's had multiple injury is like what is left in the tank in terms of him physically. But I think The Bean and McDermott have a lot of confidence, at least in him understanding the defense and everything that goes into that aspect. It's just like, what does he look like physically on the field? But I think you're right. Like, I think they have more confidence in that than at this point if they were to have to go to Joanne Dreeson, if Terrell Bernard were to go down. But that's obviously more of an insurance, insurance depth policy for them.
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Yeah, I, I see Shaq Thompson as a newer AJ Klein. Like I, I really think, and I'm not sure exactly which way I would, would look at it, say something happens to, you know, Terrell Bernard in a game. I can see them going to Shaq Thompson to finish that game and then maybe giving Joe Andreessen the week to prepare for or vice versa, whoever they think is ready. And that may depend on at what point in the season this happens. But you see that a lot where it's like a guy fills in for the second half of a game and then the other guy starts because they think with a week time to prepare, they can game plan for it. So whether that is one or the other, and maybe it's Andreessen fills in for the second half and then they get checked ready for the next week. But I think especially early on, especially if we're starting to look at Baltimore, we know what kind of offense they have. They're going to want to have as many healthy tackling linebackers as they can to go up against that ground attack against Baltimore.
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Jenna, if I look at one position group and say they're looking for some help there, it would be edge rushers, especially coming off the bench. Like, I mean, look, you know, you hope Bosa's healthy, right? And then. And obviously you have Greg Rousseau. Behind him is AJ Epanessa, Javon Solomon and Landon Jackson. And to this point, Jackson has not shown anything, really. Not, certainly not a lot. AJ has never been a big time pass rusher. That has not been his strength. And Javon Solomon has skills that we've seen, but we're talking about behind the two starters. Like, I think they would absolutely be looking to pick off a player, somebody a veteran who got cut loose that they think could come and give them real pass rush because Dan Bosa and Russo better be really good because I just don't see a lot coming off the bench.
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That's your boy.
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Yeah.
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Wow. That's true.
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Is that, was that doubt in Mike Catalana's voice?
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No, I'm saying is you need somebody that can come up, you know, and listen, that's what I think. That's what Hoyt's gonna be for them. They want him to be that guy.
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I do think for Hoyt, I'm excited when he does get on the field.
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Yeah.
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Like, I think he's. He has showed up in this preseason and made some plays where I'm like, okay, I see Michael Hoyt out there. I think he brings that level that the Bills have been lacking. But again, that suspension does hurt things because that first. Those first six games of the season, I mean, we've joked about how the, you know, Baltimore Bills game could be the 1 seed matchup, but it's. It's true. You know, you just don't know at this point.
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I wonder if. I think we were all kind of a little curious they resign Jordan Phillips. We all kind of were thinking, what does that mean for Dwayne Carter? I feel like they're pretty deep at defensive tackle with what we have seen from TJ Sanders and Dion Walker. So I wonder if I nailed it. Do you see my brain? Do you see the smoke coming out of my ears? Like, I was like, I could see.
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It in your eyes.
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Yes.
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I wonder if there's a move that a team has a surplus of defensive ends and they're a little short on defensive tackles, if there could be a move there to be made over these next four to five days before the start of the season for a team that looking for a third round pick that has kind of been buried in the depth chart like, he. He just seems to be falling. Carter does with other guys being added and moving above him. And you have Ogun Joby coming back in week seven, and you have Jordan Phillips, who. Yeah, again, I'm not sitting there. Like, I. We posted a short and a tick tock about Jordan Phillips because he's. He's awesome. Like, as a character, like, he is just. He's juice, like all that. I don't know what's left necessarily in the tank. He's the only guy that had a sack in the AFC championship game last.
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Year, and he did it late.
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Yeah.
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So it's a big play.
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So to add that when I look at it and I go, they're already pretty deep at defensive tackle, and then you go out and sign one that you haven't even had in your building this off season, I. I don't know. I don't know what that means for Dwayne Carter. Were you guys surprised that Codrington made it?
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Well, they obviously made that. That call, right. I Mean, Chanel got released and. Right. So I, at least initially, Codrington's the return guy.
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Right. And you could always move on from him. And you can go with Ty Johnson, Ray Davis to return kickoffs. They've done that before. And you have Khalil Shakir as your safety, punt catcher, and, you know, you know, minor punt returner if you need to. So I was just. I. I've always liked Codrington. Jenna and I, we've always talked about, like, it's only a matter of time before I think Codrington breaks something for a touchdown. He has been so close last year in multiple games. I just didn't know is. He is. He is not a cornerback. Like, I know they have to put him on the depth chart there. He is. He is not a cornerback. I don't know how else I can say that. Nicer. He is just going to be a return guy.
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Yeah. And I don't think Chanel was going to be a receiver. He might play more teams. He can. He probably could. He can run. He was the gunner and all. I'm going to go back to my D line and I'm looking at the backups here and the lack of NFL snaps. Okay. Because you've got. AJ's got a lot.
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Yeah.
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Solomon, you know, decent amount, but really nothing. And Landon Jackson's never played. And on the D tackle spot, it's Sanders, Walker and Dwayne Carter. Like you are. You are very inexperienced beyond the starters in those positions, so. And even in the secondary, when you start getting into, you know, until. Even when Max comes back, he hasn't played. Dorian Strong hasn't played. Right. You start looking. I mean, there is. There's a lot of kids on this.
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Roster, you know, Are you worried about the defense? Yeah, I think that's fair.
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Yeah. Let's go. Mvp. Hey, and I'm not saying these guys can't be good. I'm saying is, like, they're gonna have to trust them if they go out there on the field. But I do like the idea of having a. A Shaq Thompson because he's.
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Yeah.
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And I think you will have like a. I have to say this, like a Dane Jackson. Like, you have guys that have been around, but the kids may be starting or starting or at least playing. So we'll see.
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All right, we should wrap up because we got Hard knocks soon. Yeah, we're gonna go.
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Turtle. Jenna. Thirsty Turtle.
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Turtle. Be sure to join us Thursday, September 4th, at the Thirsty Turtle and Victor, 5 to 7 o', clock, a meet and greet. We're gonna record the podcast afterwards and then you're gonna go home and watch the NFL opener. So you're gonna have a night of all the football. What more could you want? It's gonna be really fun.
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Nailed it. Nailed it.
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Thank you.
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Hold on.
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I. My back hurts.
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Also, we carry in this podcast.
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I gotta finish doing my hair.
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We. This podcast should have been recorded like four hours ago.
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Yeah, that's on the bills.
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We were all in the studio waiting to do it. I had Elijah Moore, my hair, so much better.
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Oh, and by the way, if I can add one other thing for those that have hung with me. So we're out of the studio doing this here. We may, you may see a few of these here or at practice because coming soon, the New look podcast studio.
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New studio.
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Yeah. All right.
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All right. Please be sure to join us at thirsty turtle Thursday, September 4th.
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Wow, she's good.
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We're gonna keep hitting. Honestly though, it is fun. Okay, I'm gonna say. But please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share as well. For my Catalana and Dan Fates, I am Jenna Castle. We will see you very shortly back on the Buffalo plus YouTube channel. Thanks.