The League: Aaron Roger‘s new home and challengers to Bills in AFC East

Summary

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Buffalo Plus: "The League" – Aaron Rodgers’ New Home & AFC East Challengers

Episode Date: June 6, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This debut episode of "The League" broadens Buffalo Plus’ usual Bills focus to the rest of the NFL—especially the AFC East. Mike, Jenna, and Dan analyze Aaron Rodgers’ high-profile move to the Pittsburgh Steelers, then dive deep into the state of the Jets, Patriots, Dolphins, and how each team's changes impact the Bills. They examine coaching hires, quarterback situations, organizational culture, and expectations for the 2025 season, sprinkled with humor, candid takes, insightful banter, and a few memorable quotes.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Aaron Rodgers Joins the Steelers

Segment Starts: 02:14

• Initial Reaction

  • Mike is skeptical: "I don't think it’s going to work." (02:14, Mike Catalana)
  • He sees the pairing as a desperation move both for Rodgers (age 41) and the Steelers, who need a quarterback after recent struggles.

• Rodgers’ Fit with Steelers’ Culture

  • Jenna is surprised the “legacy franchise” would accept the “sideshow” that is Rodgers. She questions both his motivation and how he’ll fit a franchise that prides itself on discipline (03:25).
  • Quote: "I don’t even understand the allure of what is left of a Hall of Fame quarterback...the circus, I thought that the Steelers had more respect and pride...above the sideshow that is Aaron Rodgers." (03:25, Jenna)
  • Concerns over Rodgers’ recent attitude and commitment ("he would have been in with his teammates, and he wasn’t." - 06:00, Mike Catalana).

• Steelers’ Internal Dynamics

  • Mike wonders how noted disciplinarian coach Mike Tomlin will mesh with Rodgers’ personality: "I just don’t see the personalities vibing." (07:39, Mike Catalana)
  • Dan jokes, "They’re having a baby to save the marriage." (08:31, Dan Fetes), highlighting the move as a desperate shot-in-the-dark.

• Organizational Standards & Frustrations

  • The group is frustrated seeing storied franchises turn to “sideshow acts” (09:44).
  • Dan: "You’re the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers!" (09:44)

• Notable Quotes & Moments

  • "Top five least self-aware quarterback, at least of the last five years." (06:23, Jenna)
  • Dan on the move: “This is the minor league sports move of, ‘Hey, come and look at this athlete. We’re gonna trot him out there every Sunday. Come see the show.’” (09:44)
  • Jenna on Rodgers: “Football is like secondary to what the first thing I think of when I think of Aaron Rodgers.” (10:47)

• Steelers' Potential & Division Standing

  • Agreement across the table: none of the analysts see this move elevating the Steelers meaningfully in an already competitive AFC North.
  • Mike shares Terry Bradshaw's jab: "Aaron Rodgers needs to stay in California, chew on bark, and whisper to the gods out there." (12:27)

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2. AFC East State of Play

Segment Starts: 15:01

Jets: New Leadership, New Identity

• Coaching Changes

  • Mike frames the Jets and Patriots as franchises hitting reset after rudderless years (15:18).
  • Praises Aaron Glenn for bringing clear leadership and “adult in the room” presence, reminiscent of what Dan Campbell did for Detroit.

• Roster & Identity

  • The Jets are loaded with defensive talent, have decent skill players (Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson), but major questions at quarterback and offensive line (18:05).
  • Analogy: The current transition is likened to the Bills’ own 2017-2018 growth under Sean McDermott (19:04).

• Quarterback Situation

  • Justin Fields given starting job—hosts note his willingness to take accountability and how important that is in New York (20:44).
  • Jenna: “Truly and honestly, it’s gonna sound silly, but him taking that accountability like that resonates to me…” (22:00)

• Culture & Rivalry

  • The Bills-Jets games are seen as an actual team-vs-team rivalry, not just QB showcases—fueled particularly by the Bills offense vs. Jets defense (19:43, Jenna).

Patriots: The Vrabel Era & a Rookie Quarterback

• Mike Vrabel’s Arrival

  • Seen as a major positive: significance of having a “big name coach” who draws respect & buy-in (23:33).
  • Dan: "Vrabel has been that guy that always exceeded the expectations." (24:10)
  • Notable: Discussion that Vrabel wants more power in the organization, drawing Parcells comparison ("let me get the groceries" - 24:28).

• Talent Gaps

  • Patriots have major offensive line concerns despite investing in the defensive front.
  • Drake May (rookie QB) may struggle behind a questionable line, regardless of upside (27:08, Mike).

• Stefon Diggs' Health & Impact

  • Jenna wonders how much Diggs has left after injury & age (27:18).
  • The team debates what Diggs can provide in 2025: "If I’m New England, I want this guy healthy...But to Jenna’s point...that made him the player—the quick cuts...made him that player." (28:21, Mike)

Culture, Leadership, and Rebuilding Themes

• Contrast Across AFC East
  • Bills lauded for sustainable “culture” built under McDermott/Bean/Allen; Jets and Patriots now seeking something similar with new leadership (34:12, Mike).
  • Jenna: “Culture...when you can do that at an NFL level of building that college-like locker room, I think... that’s massive.” (34:41)
  • Dan: "Talent will make the difference, but you have to have the culture." (33:25)

Dolphins: Doomed by Culture Deficit?

• Predictions for 2025

  • Mike predicts Miami finishes last in the AFC East: "My prediction is Dolphins is the last place team in the AFC East." (36:18)
  • Argues the team lacks identity/culture and may be on the verge of tearing it down, especially if Tua Tagovailoa falters or leaves (36:58).

• Discussion on Coach Mike McDaniel

  • The group likes McDaniel's authentic style but questions his true head coaching and leadership abilities, especially in adversity (37:05).
  • Mike is skeptical of the offense's sustainability: “I also think his offense is overrated. It gets figured out about halfway through the season every year.” (37:27)
  • Locker room fracture issues cited: "I think of Ramsey. Like, I don’t think he’s into it. I don’t think he’s buying into the culture. And that permeates through a locker room that sinks ships." (40:46, Jenna/merged discussion)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 02:14 | "I don't think it's going to work." | Mike | | 03:25 | "I don't even understand the allure of what is left of a Hall of Fame quarterback... the circus." | Jenna | | 06:23 | "Top five least self-aware quarterback... last five years." | Jenna | | 08:31 | "They're having a baby to save the marriage." | Dan | | 09:44 | "You're the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers!" | Dan | | 12:27 | "Aaron Rodgers needs to stay in California, chew on bark, and whisper to the gods out there." | (Terry Bradshaw, shared by Mike) | | 15:18 | "I find the Jets and the Patriots to be on similar paths. They were rudderless teams... both franchises need to step up." | Mike | | 19:43 | "There's a real hatred there... between the Bills offense and the Jets defense." | Jenna | | 22:00 | "Him taking that accountability—like (it) resonates to me..." | Jenna | | 24:28 | "If I’m going to cook the meals, at least let me get the groceries." (Parcells) | Dan (referencing Bill Parcells) | | 27:08 | "Their offensive line is not good...that may take a little while to get addressed. If anything’s going to hold May back, it’s going to be laying on his back." | Mike | | 34:12 | "No, that (culture) word is meaningful. That thing is meaningful...it is a very real thing with teams." | Mike | | 36:18 | "My prediction is Dolphins is the last place team in the AFC East." | Mike | | 37:27 | "I also think his offense is overrated... gets figured out about halfway through the season every year." | Mike | | 40:46 | "I think of Ramsey. Like, I don’t think he’s into it. I don’t think he’s buying into the culture. And that permeates through a locker room that sinks ships." | Jenna/Dan/Mike (merged dialog) |

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AFC East Predictions

Mike: Bills, Jets/Patriots (fighting for 2nd), Dolphins last (42:02)
Jenna: Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Patriots (42:26)
Dan: Co-signs Jenna, thinks Dolphins won’t be “as bad” as Mike suggests—talent makes a difference, but acknowledges major concerns (42:49).

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Segment Timestamps

• Aaron Rodgers/Steelers Analysis: 02:14 – 15:01
• Jets Discussion: 15:01 – 23:12
• Patriots Breakdown: 23:12 – 32:22
• AFC East Culture/Themes: 32:22 – 36:02
• Dolphins Segment: 36:02 – 43:33
• AFC East Predictions: 43:33 – End

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Tone & Style

The podcast is direct, occasionally irreverent, always conversational and analytic—with a mixture of sharp football insight and playful, familial bickering. The team isn’t afraid to call out organizations, throw in a pop-culture reference, or highlight the human drama behind roster moves.

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Summary of Takeaways

• The hosts expect Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers stint to fizzle due to cultural mismatch and Rodgers’ lack of buy-in.
• The Jets and Patriots are both seen as being under strong, new leadership for the first time in years, which—combined with future QB development—threatens to tighten the AFC East.
• The Dolphins are seen as the most vulnerable: lacking identity and possibly headed for a full teardown in the near future.
• The Bills remain AFC East front-runners, thanks to a unique blend of talent (Allen) and culture.
• Organizational “culture” and adult leadership are recurring themes as essential to sustainable NFL success.

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Transcript

[A]

I think they've sort of hit a rut. Maybe this. I'm trying to think of a way, if you're a Steelers fan, maybe there is some way this goes the opposite way.

[B]

Sorry, I'm just thinking, like, they're having a baby to save the marriage.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Welcome back to the Buffalo Plus Channel, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. And welcome to our debut episode of the league presented by stellar roofing, windows and siding. Mike, why don't you kind of explain what we got going on here?

[A]

All right, so listen, I've covered the Bills. I've covered the NFL for like a hundred years. I like to talk.

[B]

You said it, not us.

[A]

Yes. And there are issues going on sometimes in the league, and this is not to say we cover the Buffalo Bills on a regular basis. We are going to do. 90% of our content is Buffalo Bills. But do want to take some time and have some opportunities to talk about things in the league involving the Bills and other teams and things that are going on, whether it's in the division, in the conference, in the league as a whole. Damn. We had a lot of takes. We need to get them out and they can't all just be Buffalo centric.

[C]

Yeah. And I think it's also fun to. I think a lot of our viewers are so focused on the Bills and they think, oh, the Bills are the only team that does this, or they're the only team that has X problem or Y problem and it's a bigger thing. And. And there are. We focus so much on the ins and outs on such a micro level for the Bills. It's nice to kind of zoom out and look at the rest of the league, which will be fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think that we said the league a lot.

[B]

We did. But I think for today's episode, and I think for a lot of fans, you'll be interested because we're not talking about the Bills exclusively right now, but we're also going to talk about the AFC east, what it looks like for the Patriots right now, for the jets, for the Dolphins. We're going to get into all of that and kind of the breakdown of where those teams are at. But first, Mike, we have to start with the news of the day on Thursday, and that is Aaron Rodgers going to Pittsburgh.

[A]

I don't think it's going to work.

[B]

What makes you say that?

[C]

I just don't take.

[A]

No, I think the water. The water carriers around the league and you know who they are, you know, always with the shield behind them are going to be. This is awesome. And. And Rogers is. Got a great fit with this team. He's 41 years old. He can still throw the ball pretty well. But we saw what happened with the Jets. I do not think this is a match made in heaven. I think it is a guy who was desperate for a team and a team who was desperate for a quarterback. It's the way it worked out. Will they have some moments? Sure. Is it better than Mason Rudolph?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. I mean, Garrett Wilson won more than Aaron Rodgers. Okay, So I don't know. Zach Wilson said Garrett. Yeah, correct. Zach Wilson.

[B]

I'm not gonna lie. When you said that, I was like.

[C]

I was like, yeah, the wide receiver did.

[A]

He did.

[C]

He was good.

[A]

Zach Wilson did. I. I am.

[C]

First episode of the league, guys, and I'm saying this.

[A]

I'm not. I see why the Steelers did it. He made them sit there and wait for a while. But. And maybe you guys feel differently.

[C]

I don't even understand the allure of what is left of a Hall of Fame quarterback. Like this is. Watching him last year, and I just didn't even see anything last year that made me think he's got more left in him. Like, I think that the jets had a bad offensive line. I think the Steelers have a poor offensive line. I understand the DK Metcalf thing, but like the circus, I thought that the Steelers had more respect and pride as one of these legacy franchises in the NFL that they were above the sideshow that is Aaron Rodgers. It is stunning to me that they would go down this route when you had Aaron Rodgers pretty much say on McAfee, the one time, I don't really care about playing, I don't really need to play. It's not everything to me. We have been in the Bills locker room and covered not only Josh Allen, other quarterbacks that have gotten slim chances. And they say how much this opportunity means them. Because when you're the quarterback, you're in charge of the livelihood, the money, the careers of everybody around you. And for this guy to be like, well, you know, I don't really need it. I don't know how that message then goes into a locker room and says, come on, guys, let's play for us. And I thought Cam Hayward was the one that said it best. Like, figure it out. Either you're in or you're out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he still didn't make the decision for Three more weeks because he wanted more attention.

[B]

I. I agree with you. That being said, I think for the Steelers, they see what you said originally, the future hall of Famer like I think that his name and what he has done in the past is now giving him this tread for what is going to happen in the future. Now do I think it will pan out? Well, no. You can make the excuse though that he was coming off the injury last season. He wasn't quite the right fit. He needs. He needs it to be different, whatever. But do I expect it to work? No, I do not. But I guess for the Steelers they kind of back themselves into a situation where they were. They said they were waiting on Rodgers. They knew he was going to come at some point but obviously with what they did, they were waiting for this move to be made and it now it happens.

[A]

Yeah, you did say waiting because they did wait. I mean like we are now to mandatory camp time. So you can argue that a quarterback who has been in the league for 100 years and has played in. In the NFL offenses for two decades can handle everything, but he hasn't been around this team. Throwing a few balls with DK Metcalf does not get you ready. I think if the, if he really wanted to embrace this, he would have been in in the spring. He would have been in with his teammates and he wasn't.

[C]

He doesn't care.

[A]

I think that tells you where this guy is. Right. So it's like I'm coming back, I'm going to play, but I'm not going to sacrifice. Yeah. I'm not going to be self aware enough to say I wasn't good enough in these periods of time. Like I said, I think there'll be moments when I mean a lot of quarterbacks have moments.

[C]

Top five least self aware quarterback at least of the last five years.

[A]

Oh, I think even beyond that.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think. I don't think that's a strength of this at all.

[C]

What you're saying too. And like it's why the jets signed him.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Was because the jets are a bad team. They are a poorly run organization and bad organizations make bad decisions. I thought this is such. The jets made the move to try and revitalize the fan base of like we got Rogers, guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Believe in us. The Steelers are not a fan base that you are supposed to pander to but by like hey, buy some tickets guys. Yeah, come on. Like they're. They are a football fan base. Maybe top three best fan bases in professional football and for Them to be doing this circus charade of like a one year deal. You still aren't solving any of your problems that you have with this team moving forward of taking your medicine, stripping it back, rebuilding. Instead you're rolling out a 40 plus year old quarterback that doesn't have it anymore.

[A]

I'm very curious as to how the Mike Tomlin thing works out with Rogers. There's been a lot of lip service about. They've known each other. You'll see these clips of them on the field, laughing, you know, as some play happened in a game. I just don't see the personalities vibing. I don't see like, like Mike Tomlin is as old school as it gets. Even though he's not that old. He coaches like he's an older person. I mean he's not. He's in his 50s.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's been around forever and he's had a ton of success because he is a disciplined coach now he needs to grow, he needs to do a little bit more. I think they've sort of hit a rut. Maybe this. I'm trying to think of a way, if you're a Steelers fan, maybe there is some way this goes the opposite way.

[B]

Sorry, I'm just thinking like they're having a baby to save the marriage.

[A]

Perfect. That really is right on the money. I don't know, man.

[B]

Good luck with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[A]

But and saying that, you know, because we cover the Bills. I used to say the Steelers are the organization the Bills want to grow up to be.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

They were just. They have been very structured, loyal, great fan base. Right. Old school football, smaller market, like all those things. They are still a lot of those things. They just haven't won a lot. I mean they've won games, they've gotten in the playoffs. They've been embarrassingly bad in the playoffs. Yeah. In recent years. So I'm going to give them this. I see why they would take a shot. But to your point, the jets took that shot and it failed miserably and everybody got fired. Like everybody's gone because of Rogers. Yes.

[B]

Well. And you can't say there wasn't talent on that team.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

There's not that talent on the Steelers offense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I think we're all in agreement that we don't think it's going to work.

[C]

It's just mind boggling to me that like this is the minor league sports move of like, hey, come and look at this athlete. Look at him. We're going to trot him out there every, every Sunday. Come see the show. You're the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers.

[A]

It's why I got mad at the Giants for throwing that Tommy Cutlets out there. I'm not kidding. You are the New York Giants.

[C]

Correct. And they did it sideshow. Sideshow to a team that is a storied franchise. Super bowl histories and titles and all of these things. And you're like, we're gonna get the guy that is more interested in retreats in Ayahuasca than, than really being the tough nose, blue collar football guy like Tomlin for. We could all joke around about Tomlin and his. The standard is the standard and all these things, but he is a football guy. I don't see Aaron Rodgers anymore as a football guy. Yeah, football is like secondary to what the first thing I think of when I think of Aaron Rodgers.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think of all the BS that goes on off the field. It's just mind blowing.

[B]

Do you think because Tomlin has managed big personalities in the past that he feels more confident?

[C]

Good point. Point Jenna.

[A]

I mean, listen.

[C]

Point Jenna.

[A]

He has had to deal with most of those weird ones.

[C]

Pro host move.

[A]

He's had some, some real moments at wide receiver.

[B]

I got. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Hey, Dan's not talking for a second. How can I say something that fires him up?

[A]

He's had some real dudes at wide receiver that he's dealt with.

[B]

Antonio Brown.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean just recently. George Pick.

[A]

George Pickens. Like he's had a lot of guys. Deontay Johnson. Like he's had players like that quarterback wise. I don't think he's really dealt with that. There was a little bit of Roethlisberger at the end, but Roethlisberger had been there and been a champion with the Steelers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and you know, maybe towards the end it wasn't great, but the other guys have all been like regular guys like Mason Rudolph and, and Mitch Trubisky. No, really. I mean it wasn't like he's had, you know, Kenny Picket. That's who he's had at quarterback.

[B]

I love this quote from Rogers quote. I wasn't stringing anyone along. I wasn't holding anyone hostage. Yeah, usually you don't have to say that if you're not holding someone hostage.

[C]

Can you look up what the Steelers over under win total is? Oh, I, I would put it at. And it's funny because Tomlin's never actually had a losing season, so it probably is around eight and a half. But I really Think that they don't win more than seven games.

[A]

I just have to bring up the Terry Bradshaw quote. Did you say it the other day?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

He said Aaron Rodgers needs to stay in California, chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there.

[B]

Now, listen, that's really funny.

[A]

Terry's a little out there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I mean, he is the legend.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Quarterback Pittsburgh.

[B]

The Pittsburgh Steelers finally got their guy.

[A]

Yeah. Hey, listen, you want to. Go ahead. You want to. You want to play the song. You want everybody to be that way? I. They start out with the jets, which is wild. The Bills play in Pittsburgh this year.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You know, we'll see how the division is. That. The division is. I mean, the Ravens are the best team. If the Bengals get anything going on defense, they are certainly a playoff team or a possibility of a playoff team. And the Browns are the Browns. So the Steelers are still in that spot. I guess the idea is that Rogers moves them up a notch, but I just. We will see.

[C]

I just don't think it. It moves the needle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think this is one of those, like, it's a name and that's it.

[C]

Yeah, the name is the Steelers. That's what blows my mind.

[B]

Well, no, I'm saying for Aaron Rodgers.

[C]

I get that.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Just saying, like, the Steelers are the name. Like, they've never been. Even when Big Ben was there in. In. In Bettis and. And the greats. James, Harrison, like, I. I think of, like, the great Steelers, Palomalu. They weren't the team. The team was. What?

[A]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[C]

Like that.

[A]

Bills.

[C]

To some respect. The Bills or Josh Allen.

[A]

Yeah, that.

[C]

That is the. It's not Sean McDermott. It is Josh Allen. It wasn't Hyde and Poyer. It was Josh Allen.

[A]

And the reason the Bills are so good is they have that guy and they have the culture.

[C]

Yep, it is in the culture, but.

[A]

They have that guy on the top. So it is. I think it's. I guess it's. It certainly makes them more interesting. I mean, let's face it, it's Aaron Rodgers. People are going to root against him.

[B]

And there's some people that will root for him.

[A]

Yes, some. Yeah, they will. But, you know, the question is, hey.

[C]

As Brandon Bean said, there are idiots everywhere.

[A]

And Pittsburgh having to sit and wait. And then Rogers pretending like this wasn't his only spot. Minnesota didn't want him. You know, all these other teams took other players. Now maybe Aaron Rodgers is going to. I'm sure somebody's commenting. He's going to prove everybody wrong. It's what they said with the Jets. Even his end of his time in Green Bay went south. So let's see how it plays out.

[B]

I'm interested. Yeah, we'll see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That game I'm excited for in Pittsburgh.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

All right, let's talk a little bit more then on the league about the Jets. We mentioned them earlier. Obviously, new head coach. Like you said, they gutted essentially everything after the train wreck that was last season. Where do you think the jets are right now as we head into the start of training camp? Around the corner.

[A]

I really want to set this up with the whole AFC East. I think it's a transition year for them and I find the jets and the Patriots to be on similar paths. They are. They were rudderless teams. Robert Salah was not an effective leader and Rogers had a lot to do with it. But it wasn't just Rogers and maybe a better roster. Then you've got New England and it's certainly with variable in there. It is certainly adult time. Look, the coach was overmatched last year. The end of the time with Belichick was bad. So both of these franchises need to step up. New England last year, where they win four games. The Bills gifted them the last one. It cost him the number one pick. Like they were a mess at the end. Rabel gets everybody's attention. They have changed the roster and they've done it the same with the Jets. Aaron Glenn, we talk about Rodgers. Aaron Glenn came in like, I don't want Rogers. And Rogers flew there, made a big point about it. And Aaron Glenn's like, go home, go home. I'm running this place. I love that for them. I think both of those teams have at least reset and said there is an unquestioned leader in both places. It's Aaron Glenn and it's Mike Vrabel, and that's what eventually could make these teams good. Now, it's going to depend on the quarterbacks and everything else that goes with it, but as opposed to being teams that are just like, yeah, just trudging along and the Bills just dominating the division, I think this makes them much more legitimate, especially down the line.

[C]

Now, talent is a big part of this, but I see the jets because I do get that vibe kind of from Aaron Glenn. And it's not just because he came there, but you think about Mike, you talk about direction and leadership and that there's one leader, Aaron Glenn knows, New York played there, all these things of that. It kind of gives me a little bit of Dan Campbell vibes. Now I'm not in again, a little bit of that. And again, when Dan Campbell came to Detroit, they still lost their first nine or ten games. Like they still were a bad team, but you knew who the leader was. I think that's a great point you said. And you had a sense of direction, of an identity that this team is going to be. And I don't think the jets had that. If we want to start with there, like, I don't think they knew what they wanted to be. They tried to bring in the recycled hall of Fame, future hall of Fame quarterback, but I think they want to be more of a defensive team. Like when they were good with Rex, they played really good defense and they ran the ball like that was it. And I think that they have enough pieces around that jets roster is still talented.

[A]

Jenna, when you look at their offense, let's stop, let's hold off on quarterback because we know that's going to be the big thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they do have Wilson at wide receiver. They do have Breece hall in the backfield. They drafted early on the offensive line. That line is. Needs work. Like in fairness to Rogers, like you mentioned, it was not a great offensive line. So they still have Alan Lazard until he's traded to the Steelers, I would guess. But. And defensively, you know, like Sauce is a talent. I know a lot of Bills fans, you hear because you know it's clutching and grabbing and things that he does. Sauce Gardner is a talent. They're going to sign him. He's going to be a long term guy there. They have some effective players. They still need more work. But I think if you're the jets, like you're, you're taking a chance at quarterback and seeing what, what's happening. But I think it's all about building a program and making them a viable franchise. Sort of like the bills did in 2017 where it was like you had Tyrod, you had some pieces.

[B]

You had an adult in the room.

[A]

You had an adult.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rex was gone.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm. Robert Salah is not Rex, but just the, the circus that it became with Rogers.

[A]

He also didn't have the. Rex did at a time have success.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Salah never did as a head coach.

[B]

I'm really going to miss the all gas. No break.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The weirdest tagline ever. That was all over that stadium.

[A]

I'm, I'm for Jets fans. I'm encouraged for the word you use was direction. I'm encouraged for them for that. Then you see how the talent plays out. Did they draft well? They've got the new, new general manager. Let's see how it plays.

[C]

Yeah, I, you know that the Bills and Jets will always play intense games. There's a real hatred there, and I think there is. Yeah. Like they hate each other. Like there are. There are very few rivalries left. Sometimes I feel like in the NFL, between teams, their rivalry between. We always talk about the rivalry between the quarterbacks. I think there's a real rivalry between the Bills offense and the jets defense. Like, I think that, that, that's very real hatred there, which, as Mike has always said, is good for sports.

[A]

Great for sports.

[C]

But, yeah, I, I, I've always thought there was talent. That's what made me, that was what was the final straw where I was like, there's talent here and Rodgers isn't making it work. Not saying that we're a perfect team. The offensive line was an issue. They went through 12 different offensive line combinations. Like something ridiculous like that. I like the thought of Aaron Glenn. We talked to our friend from Sny, Jake.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And she's like, he's kind of the, like he's stepping into the room and everybody's sitting up straight because he's the leader.

[A]

The Justin Fields thing is going to be interesting to see. He's been given the starting job. Right. They're saying he's the guy. Even though it, you know, it hasn't worked out at his first two stops. He does have ability. I would say one thing, Janet.

[C]

Is he young?

[A]

No. But I heard an interview with him where he, he took accountability for his role in that. Some of these guys.

[C]

He was also dealt a pretty shitty hand in Chicago.

[A]

Yes. They were just. Yeah. So it, it did not work out in Pittsburgh. I honestly should have played.

[B]

He's 26 also.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But young.

[A]

But you listen to him speak.

[B]

Just turned 20. He.

[C]

Happy birthday.

[A]

Takes ownership and he has taken accountability for the way things have gone in his career. He wasn't in there going. They were at fault. This was the case. I think they like that. And I also think he is a guy who's realizing time's right now. Third shot here. Even though, even though he's young. You don't get that many of those. So he's gotten this. So I think there is a reason to be encouraged by the direction the franchise is going. Which jets fans know it isn't said that often.

[B]

Yeah. Hoping to get the Sam Darnold bump.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, after a couple stop.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Geno Smith, Sam Darnold Truly and honestly, it's gonna sound silly, but him taking that accountability like that resonates to me of like, okay, he seems like an adult. He understands the circumstances of what went wrong. And I feel like only then can you really improve upon what you're going to do.

[A]

I looked at his numbers like he has been a.

[C]

They don't change.

[B]

No, but sometimes they can. But they need self awareness.

[A]

Oh, I thought you were going to say they need prodding to change.

[B]

No, hopefully not.

[C]

Strong woman behind them.

[B]

No. What is it? You are the only person that can change your life.

[A]

T shirt time.

[B]

That's what. That's what my therapist told me.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

[B]

Also that. Yeah, you are the only one.

[A]

I mean, the main thing.

[B]

Are we just gonna do taglines? Dan is wrong.

[A]

Wait a minute. What was the one you just.

[B]

Highest ceiling.

[A]

No, what was the one. What was the one you just said? What was.

[B]

You were the only. Oh, all gas, no break. Which again, dangerous.

[A]

It's the way Dan drives.

[B]

You do tailgate, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't know, Jim.

[B]

I know for a fact. All right, let's talk a little bit more then about the Patriots. Yeah, I know you mentioned them, but Drake may. I think they have Stefan Diggs who was at OTAs earlier on, in attendance. Dan, I'll start with you. Like, what do you see from them? Because this year does look a lot different.

[C]

Vrabel is a big name coach, and there are very few, I think, of those left in the NFL these days. There's just, you know, I think McVEIGH. I don't think Shanahan's that name anymore. Like Andy Reid. Like, I. I think Vrabel carries a lot of cachet. And when he shows up back in.

[A]

New England, you think of Vrabel ahead of Kyle Shanahan. Yeah. Kyle Shanahan, while he hasn't won, has had a lot of success in the league. More than Mike Vrabel at blowing fourth quarter.

[C]

Leads well.

[A]

But he's got a Super bowl twice. Well, as a coordinator.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I think Vrabel has been that guy that always exceeded the expectations.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

And then it went south. And I think he recognized that it went south in the end.

[C]

I also think Grable wanted the full. I think he said, look at what I've done.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I want more power.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I want more control. And front office and ownership said, nope, here's the door. And that's a move. I go Back to the A.J. brown trade.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like there are sometimes we. What what did Belt Parcel say? If you're going to have the, if I'm going to cook the meals, at least let me get the groceries. Like, I think for a lot of the time Frable has been dealt with crap and has made the best out of it. So he's gotten his guys to always play over expectations. And I think they have always been one of the most prepared teams, no matter their talent level they have. They know what they need to do. They come in with a game plan and well prepared. And I think that's a big thing that New England hasn't been. Even at the end of the Belichick years, they weren't a well prepared team. So I think that's a big, big increase. And plus for the Patriots that they still need to work on talent. We always have Giardi on here and he's like, they, there's maybe one or two guys that are. Yeah, real players, real dudes. But I think Vrabel again has brought in free agents because people have wanted to play for Vrabel and that's a.

[A]

Big thing they do. I think they're positioned a little differently than the jets in this way. I mean, they have drafted their quarterback. He really won one game last year that he finished the other one, he got knocked out. They ended up winning the game and he technically got a win in the game back. Yeah. So. And then the last game they technically got a win that he started.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And in play. So he didn't win a lot. He showed flashes of being good. We've covered Stefan Diggs for a while here. He is a talented player. We'll see how he comes back. There's obviously off the field.

[B]

Yeah, well, no, I just. You can finish your point and then I have a question about.

[A]

Well, I'm saying is there is some talent around him. They. Thank you. They, their offensive line is not good. They have limited depth. They have guys playing a little out of position. Like that is still an issue for them. That's got to come around big for them. Otherwise, no matter how physically talented Drake may is, I do believe their offensive line is still an issue that may take a little while to get addressed. And I, I, that stuns me sometimes. I watched what you mentioned Chicago before. They already knew they screwed that up and they went out and actively just said whatever we can do on the O line. Whereas the Patriots went big in free agency with Milton Williams on the D line. That's fine. You need both.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But you'd want to help Drake N. I think if anything's going to hold May back this year. It's going to be laying on his back because their offensive line, I just don't see them as being ready to go.

[B]

Yeah. What do you think Dig still has left in the tank?

[C]

That's a really good question. I think.

[A]

Good job.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. Getting a lot of compliments also. I.

[C]

What do you think Diggs has left?

[B]

Don't take my line.

[A]

You go first. Good question. There we go.

[B]

You want to answer?

[C]

No, you go first.

[B]

I genuinely. Obviously he's past 30 now. Coming off the ACL, we know that can take some time for players. It's not just an oil change. We figure that out. And for the one shot you said was funny. But I am curious what it will look like for him when he comes back. Some of the, like, quick cuts, stuff like that, like the agility aspect of where he will be at. And will he look like the stuff Stefan Diggs that we saw in Buffalo? I. I don't know. I. I would imagine it might take him a little bit of time to work himself back to that point.

[A]

We saw him in Houston last year. They played. He looked really good. Yeah. I mean, then he got hurt. Okay. So he comes back from that. I think the worst thing that can happen for a player coming off an injury is people seeing video of him and going, he looks. He looks like he'll be ready to go. Then the expectation is a little higher. If I'm New England, I want this guy healthy. I don't want to pretend like he's going to come back. Week one, maybe he's active Week one, he might be very much. Might be on the PUP list when they get started the season. I think they start out maybe three of their first four at home, so they've got that part. But you've got to be smart with a player like this. He's a very good route runner, savvy player. But to Jenna's point that that made him the player. The quick cuts and everything that was made him that player.

[B]

Like the agility.

[A]

Right. We have to see if that is back. And then him working with May, it's a different quarterback that he's working and.

[B]

Just if people aren't clear. Mike Giardi tweeted this a couple days ago, but Diggs has not been fully cleared medically as he returns from the ACL he suffered in October.

[C]

And I do want to say this because we are in. As we talked with Reed Ferguson on the Buffalo plus podcast we did earlier, the fact of we are in best shape of your life. Season.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. Every single player offensively looks good in OTAs. Like they're in shorts and a helmet and they are running routes 90% of the time against air and like it's.

[A]

Nobody's going to hit them. Correct.

[C]

And it's like people are stunned about basketball players, how they miss that shot. An NBA player in an empty gym. Every single NBA player could make 85 threes out of 100. Like that's just how good they are. Like yeah, okay. What?

[A]

They can't make 85.

[C]

Every. You guys are the worst.

[B]

Sales.

[A]

3.3 point shooters. Yes.

[C]

And even big men, Dwight Howard, they.

[A]

Can stand there and make shots.

[C]

Dwight Howard who couldn't hit a free throw to save his life at the end of his career, could probably still hit out of 100 threes. Would still probably make a lot. But I cover my, cover my ass there. You'd make a lot.

[A]

The percentages he made a lot. Yeah. So that's where checks notes.

[C]

But like this is where ML football and all the accounts. Like look at how good this guy was. Yeah, look at how good this guy was. Everybody looks good right now. So even the, the videos you see of digs looks pretty solid. He's a professional athlete that is running routes and playing catch with a guy. Like I would expect him to look good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's when the pads get on, when things can get the physicality of the actual game steps in, that's where there's problems.

[A]

But like I combine these two teams because two former players, outstanding players when they played active coaches on the field. Like Vrabel is out there like pushing guys on the line of scrimmage. Like that is who he is. Aaron Glenn, we've seen him. If anybody watch Hard Knocks like he's in it. Dan and I talked to him in Indianapolis.

[C]

Waiting for an Uber.

[A]

Waiting for an Uber.

[C]

He was very upset. Uber took a while.

[A]

It did take a while.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Two time all likes accountability. Two time all pro player. Like this guy played. He was really good in the NFL. Probably a better all around player than variable and when he played. But I'm saying is these are guys that will get the respect.

[C]

Good debate.

[A]

Well, they will get the respect of the players right away. Yes. And I think in their places, Aaron Glenn and now Mike Vull are going to be very active with everything. They do have a little Runway. Right. They're new and these teams stunk. Okay. And I would say that. But I, I think both of those hires, if you look at where the Buffalo Bills are Were not great for the Bills because I think those are both good hires in the.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

Yeah, that's fair. But you see that, you're like, ooh, that. That's a competent person leading a team.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But again, I go back to like, I think Vrabel's a hell of a coach.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then it's like, hey, Dan, name three players on the Patriots that aren't named. Drake, May. And it's like, well, Christian Gonzalez.

[A]

Yeah, they do.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, yeah, the NFL also does come down to talent.

[A]

And sitting there, it's like, now look, they have Barmore who's coming. He has blood clots. That was an issue for him with Milton Williams, who they gave a lot of money to. Very good player with the Eagles. That could be. That's a good place to build there on that defensive line. Like, they do have a few dudes. They just are going to have a revamped roster. I don't know how many, three, how many new guys of the, what, 53 that they ended the season with. It is. It is. Get out, get in. All those draft picks are going to make it like that is what you do in this first year. That is. It's a 2018 bills. Yeah, right, 18.

[B]

Yeah. He's the young quarterback.

[A]

Yes. In that case. So you can see where there will be progress. But Dan, you make the right point. Talent's gonna make the difference, you know, build the culture and then go to the town.

[B]

Yeah. Talent over everything. Well, not always.

[C]

Not always.

[B]

Culture has culture. I feel like.

[C]

Yeah, town and culture work together.

[A]

Can I. I want to interject something here and I'd like to interject.

[C]

That's rare.

[A]

I always hear people say culture and then they go, you know that word and whatever. No, that word is meaningful. That thing is meaningful. It is a very real thing with teams. If you don't like the word because you think it's overused, okay, I'll give you that. But I've heard people push back a little bit on culture of teams. I couldn't disagree more.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

I look at the, at the Bills. In that case, yes, what makes them great and right on the edge is Josh Allen. But that culture is what's made them allow Josh Allen to not just be running around out there, to have a team that wins double digit games and wins the division every year.

[C]

When I think of culture, I think a lot of times too, of college athletics.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like there are cultures and programs that are legacy and they Kind of this.

[A]

Is the way we do it.

[C]

Right, Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you have coaches that get kids to buy in to the culture, the team, the school colors. It's a business once you get to the NFL. But when you can kind of build that same concept of. It is easy, I think an easier. Maybe now with nil money, I know it's getting a little bit skewed, but like to get 18, 19, 20 year olds to buy in, it's easier. As a coach, there's motivation, like things that. Money gets involved, things get murky. And when you can do that at an NFL level of building that college, like locker room, I think that that's massive. And you hear the Bills players talk about it, what they have here, the, the, the, the culture, the, the environment, the place of winning and accountability and the state.

[B]

That is the word in my head. Yeah, it's accountability, but it's not forced accountability.

[A]

It's accountability to the guy next to you. Yeah, it's the. That is what it is.

[C]

And you hope Rabel, if you're those fans of Rabel or the, the Patriots and the jets, you're hoping that you have somebody that can motivate and, and bring teams in. It's what Detroit now all of a sudden is.

[A]

Yeah, they have.

[C]

Yeah, they have a culture.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

Like this is who we're going to be.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Sorry. I'm just thinking of the next thing we're going to talk about, and that is the Dolphins. And culture is not a word that comes to mind.

[A]

I was listening to a Dolphins podcast and the host was asking, what would you want as a Dolphins fan? Do you want 8 and 9? 9 and 8 if everything goes well, or would you rather them be 4 and 13 and go rebuild this thing? I think you want 4 and 13, I'm telling you now, my prediction is Dolphins is the last place team in the AFC East. I think they're going to start breaking this thing down. I think the veterans that are there are going to go, many of them, they're going to try to lock in on the key players that they have. They do have some talented players. Some are, you know, like Ramsey and Hill. Eventually they're both going to be gone. Whenever that ends up happening, I don't think two is going to be around long and I really think at some point they may be clear in house. This Dolphins thing went to this certain point and then failed. I really do believe with the restructuring of the other two teams, especially Fields is decent. I think the Dolphins are the last.

[C]

Place team I think there's so much talent there.

[B]

Definitely talent. Like, yeah.

[C]

But we talk about the culture like they don't have one. And that's. I like Mike McDaniel. Like, I like him a lot. Like, I think Mcdaniels is a really good coach and I like. People think he's weird. I think it's.

[B]

Is he a great coach or is he a great head coach?

[C]

That's a great question.

[A]

I also think his offense is overrated. I think it gets figured out about halfway through the season every year. They don't do well in big spots. It's predictable.

[B]

Do you think some of that is on the quarterback?

[A]

It is. I. I don't think he's got. I don't look. And everybody likes to do well.

[C]

We talk about. We've talked about this before and more on. On. What would the Bills be without Josh Tua is valuable in that offense and what they've had Tyler Huntley playing games. They have nothing behind Tua, who is constantly concussed.

[A]

Now they do.

[C]

Oh, Zach Wilson. Yeah. I. I think people think It's a weird. McDaniels is a weird guy. Is it McDaniel or McDaniel?

[B]

McDaniel.

[A]

You got McDaniels in Foxborough by. We should have mentioned that.

[C]

Josh McDaniels and then Mike McDaniel is in Seattle.

[B]

No, that's.

[A]

It's Mike Donald.

[B]

Thank you, Big Mac.

[A]

There's the open.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Mike McDaniel.

[C]

Is the coach in Miami.

[B]

It's literally like some of your name, like just Daniel.

[A]

Hey. I will say I like him. I like him too. I find his story to be great redemption story and all those things.

[B]

He's very quirky.

[A]

He's not a great head coach, but he's been.

[C]

It's not like the example is who was the Dolphins previous coach? Flores.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Who came up and changed like he. From everything we've heard, he. He turned into a different guy and was a real jerk and got like a big head when he was in Miami. I think McDaniel has always been the core guy. You can go back and watch press conferences from when he was with the 49ers. Strange Bird thinks of the game differently. I like that coaches are authentic to who they are because I think when they get to these positions, they think they need to be Belichick. And I like that McDaniels is who he is and I like the offense.

[A]

He gave him an S. Again, I'm with you. I think all that is true. I just don't think he's a good enough head coach. And I don't think his offense. It's a lot of moving around and a lot of stuff. It's not effective in big moments, and some of that certainly is on the quarterback, but when that quarterback's out of the game, it's really bad.

[C]

That's for 32, 31 other teams.

[A]

He's got Hill and Waddle. He's had those. Got a Chan in the backfield, offensive line. But they did draft. They drafted Grant early, like, adult picks. Taking offensive and defensive line, I think is smart. My guess is this is not a great season for Miami. They clean house and this franchise looks very different. They didn't sign any free agents. They didn't make any moves like that. They're going to bite the bullet on a couple of these big contracts and some young players are going to play sometimes maybe that ends up being better. I just don't think it's a good team.

[C]

Well, I think part of that is, like, when you have the bad eggs there of guys that just aren't pulling the rope the same way. It's better in that case to have less talent and have guys that are.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Right. Like. Like I think of. Of Ramsey. Like, I don't think he's into it. I don't think he's buying into the culture. And that permeates through a locker room that sinks ships.

[A]

And so I think. I think Jordan Poyer from the Bills saw that firsthand when he was down there.

[C]

Now, part of that is on McDaniel, like, part of that is on him making sure that there are no leaks in the ship and things like that. And you got to nip those kind of things in the bud. But I don't think he nailed it.

[B]

Yeah. Let's have a moment of silence for that.

[C]

Just nailed that.

[A]

I heard it going. I was like, please, please, please. He had it. Yeah.

[C]

Like, that's. That's on him as a coach. And I don't know. It's tough once you've lost that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To get it back.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

But I think when he went in there and it was a little bit of that. A little bit of that, Sean, in the sense of be who you are with us. Like, I be like, hey, Tyreek, if this is what you do and all these things, like, that's fine.

[A]

Maybe not with Tyreek.

[C]

What I'm saying is there has to be a line. There has to be a line, and sometimes that line is crossed.

[A]

Okay, so my division, Bill still win it. I don't Know if it'll be as disparate as it was last year where it was over.

[B]

They have the best odds.

[A]

They have the best odds they're going to win the division.

[B]

Like they have the best odds to win the division. And they have the best odds in the NFL to win their division.

[A]

To win their division. Yes. And so I think the Bills win it. I think the games get tougher on these teams are going to be tougher. But it's the Bills with a substantial lead. Jets and Patriots fighting for the other spot. Dolphins in fourth place is my pick. What do you got?

[C]

Bills, Jets, Dolphins. Patriots.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think the Dolphins will be as bad as you think. Where did you go?

[C]

Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Patriots. I looked at talent eventually when it came.

[B]

I'll co sign that Mike thinks the.

[C]

Dolphins will be ass.

[A]

Well, all I did was. All you did was flip the Dolphins from last place to third place.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So it's not that big of a difference. I think they're going to be actively be saying we are rebuilding. We're looking in that division. Especially if Drake May is pretty good. They're going to be like, okay.

[C]

Or the. The Dolphins don't know. They don't know if they're supposed to hit the reset button or keep kicking this can down the road.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

With two in this offense.

[B]

And just because the. Where they finish doesn't mean the lasting impression won't be different. Like the, the.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The Dolphins could finish third to last in the division, but you're like, hey, the Patriots, they finished last, but they got pieces. They're building. They have all that. Whereas the Dolphins are like the floor is falling out.

[C]

The Dolphins could have six or seven wins and be like, it's time to gut this thing. And the Patriots could have five and be like, hey, watch out. Next year. The Patriots are putting some things together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yep. It's no question. No question.

[B]

All right. Anything else?

[A]

Nah, this is fun. I like talking about the other teams and I. I think we'll do this. This will be a. This is a regular video part of our entire array of podcasts on the Buffalo Plus.

[B]

That's your buffet.

[C]

Buffalo plus portfolio.

[B]

Wow. Wow.

[A]

So we have uncle.

[B]

Spell it. Spell it.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

P O R T I F I L O. I don't know.

[B]

He went too fast.

[C]

P O R T I F I.

[B]

L O. P O R T F O L I O.

[C]

Can I get the country of origin, please?

[B]

Can you use it in a sentence?

[A]

So we'll. We. We do during the season we have Uncle Dan's best bets and now we have Aunt Jenna's best bets.

[B]

What? It's aunt.

[A]

I say in the comments. Is it aunt? I don't know how you say aunt or aunt.

[B]

It's spelled A U, N T. Not a N T. Aunt. Like you don't call auntie.

[A]

No.

[B]

Well, you're also like older. That'd be weird.

[C]

That's a pretty old thing to say. Auntie.

[B]

No, like growing up like Auntie Ellen, Auntie Sarah. That's what.

[A]

Where did you grow up on? On like.

[B]

No, like in Massachusetts. You say auntie.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And that's where my aunties lived.

[C]

Is this a bit.

[B]

No, it's not. I swear. I said I've.

[A]

You know, I said Auntie May.

[C]

Driving Miss Daisy.

[B]

You know that.

[C]

I say aunt now my brain's broken.

[B]

You already knew that.

[A]

But you didn't just say aunt. You said auntie.

[B]

Yeah, when I was a little kid. And you say auntie.

[C]

If you want to say that's fine. The auntie is like Southern. Southern.

[B]

I haven't said auntie in a while. But growing up as a kid, I would say you wouldn't say your auntie.

[C]

Aunt Debbie.

[B]

Exact. Oh, well, but when you were a little kid, you weren't like Auntie Debbie. That's a mouthful.

[A]

Yeah, I had an aunt Minnie and my wife Aunt Shorty.

[B]

Oh, Aunt Shorty.

[A]

Well that goes a little different now.

[B]

Aunt Shorty. Shorty is a cute nickname.

[A]

Yeah. And Shorty and what was her real name? I have no idea.

[B]

Just Shorty.

[A]

Shorty.

[B]

Super tall woman.

[A]

She's six.

[C]

Just checking in on my wife. Just behind the curtains. I said, making sure everything's okay. She's picking up the kids from my parents house. I said, is everything okay? She goes, yeah, we're just leaving your parents. And of course we forgot a chain, a keychain on Shane's backpack. She had to turn around and go back and get it. Because if Shane doesn't have something, my 4 year old, the days she runs the house.

[B]

Dang.

[C]

So she could have been 30 minutes away from my parents house. We would have had to turn back around or deal with.

[B]

I will turn this car around. Okay, well thank you everyone for watching.

[A]

And thank our sponsor.

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