The League: The 5 BEST and 5 WORST franchises in the NFL

Summary

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Buffalo Plus: "The League: The 5 BEST and 5 WORST Franchises in the NFL"

Release Date: June 24, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This episode of Buffalo Plus brings together insiders Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, and Dan Fetes to debate and rank the five best and five worst franchises in the NFL as of summer 2025. With decades of Bills and league coverage, they weigh factors like on-field success, organizational stability, cultural identity, fan engagement, and recent decision-making, along with behind-the-scenes insights (sometimes as granular as the media lunch quality!). The trio lively debates each selection, referencing both historic and present-day context, and invite listeners to respond with their own picks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Criteria for Ranking Franchises

• Emphasis on recent years, not just legacy or distant past success.
• Consideration of on-field results, organizational stability, front office quality, ownership, culture, facilities, and fanbase.
• “Bad franchises” are often those repeating mistakes or avoiding resets, while good franchises show adaptability and sustained performance.

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The 5 Best NFL Franchises (2025 Edition)

1. Baltimore Ravens

• Unanimous Top 5 pick by all hosts.
• Praised for front office stability and sustained success through changing eras (Flacco to Lamar Jackson).
• Strong defensive identity, adept acquisitions (e.g., bringing in Derrick Henry), and savvy moves (Kyle Hamilton, Patrick Queen, Marlon Humphrey, etc.).
• “Harbaugh has been there forever… They got their act together.” – Mike [03:23]
• Ravens sometimes criticized for inability to “get by the Chiefs,” but acknowledged as a model franchise.
• Noted for excellent stadium atmosphere and fan engagement.

2. Kansas City Chiefs

• Recognized as the current “model dynasty” (comparable to Patriots a decade prior).
• Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and GM Brett Veach spotlighted as key to success.
• Outstanding at adapting rosters and overcoming weaknesses (notably on offensive line).
• “They are what the Patriots were a decade ago.” – Dan [08:51]
• Great stadium and fan culture reminiscent of a college environment.

3. Buffalo Bills

• Cited as a “top five franchise” thanks to organizational transformation, front office stability, and the Josh Allen era.
• “Developing the players with the coaches, like they've grown together. Like what Sean McDermott was when he came here isn't what he is now.” – Dan [12:18]
• Facility upgrades and strong culture highlighted (Micah Hyde praised the shift post-Rex Ryan).
• Ownership (Pegula family) willing to spend aggressively, a “big difference-maker.”
• Sustained competitiveness, but still a Super Bowl appearance away from “the next level.”
• “Shortcuts, short and long-term success.” – Dan quoting Sam Presti, in praise of the Bills’ rebuild and culture [18:10]

4. Philadelphia Eagles

• Praised as potentially the “gold standard” of organization and spending in pro sports.
• Owner Jeffrey Lurie credited: “I think right now he's the best owner in pro sports.” – Mike [19:43]
• Repeat excellence with different coaches and QBs; aggressive in free agency and draft.
• Willingness to “admit mistakes and move on” (Justin Jefferson/Jalen Reagor, Carson Wentz trades).
• “They're willing to put the cash out,” setting the bar for resourcefulness.

5. Debate for the Final Spot

Primary Contenders:

• Green Bay Packers: Consistency, no single owner, excellent drafting, seamless QB transitions (Favre-Rodgers-Love). “You know what you're going to get with Green Bay—a respectable team every year.” – Dan [23:39]
• Detroit Lions: Praised for recent culture change and expected long-term trajectory, but hosts note shorter sample size (only 2–3 years of success). “They have pulled themselves out of the pit.” – Jenna [25:45]
• Los Angeles Rams: Mike’s pick based on recent Super Bowl wins and enduring coaching/front office stability, though others question their long-term plan post-Stafford.

Other Mentioned:

• San Francisco 49ers for consistent contention, but recent turbulence and cap issues noted.
• Houston Texans and Pittsburgh Steelers as “ascending” or “falling,” but not top five.

Personal Rankings (as shared by hosts at [33:55]–[34:44]):

• Jenna: Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Ravens, Lions
• Dan: Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Packers
• Mike: Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Rams

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The 5 Worst NFL Franchises (2025 Edition)

1. Cleveland Browns

• Universally considered the worst, mainly for fully guaranteeing Deshaun Watson’s contract, repeated organizational missteps, and mishandling quarterbacks.
• “They made him the first player with a fully guaranteed contract. It was a disastrous decision.” – Mike [39:43]
• Lost Baker Mayfield, who is now thriving elsewhere. Ownership, draft, and cap management called “bad.”

2. New Orleans Saints

• Once mighty with Drew Brees, now “a mess” due to cap mismanagement, failed resets, poor drafting, and questionable facilities.
• “Terrible with the cap, terrible decisions in the draft, doubling down on things and not getting the results.” – Mike [36:17]
• Criticized for refusing to hit reset and sacrificing flexibility for false contention.

3. New York Jets

• Longest playoff drought and persistent dysfunction, despite flashes of talent.
• “Dysfunctional, poor ownership… It's 14 years and counting.” – Mike [47:49]
• Noted for some talented pieces (Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson), but inability to convert into wins or culture shift.

4. Dallas Cowboys

• Cited for perpetual underachievement and self-inflicted drama despite major-market advantages.
• “The Cowboys should not be one of those teams that consistently finds ways to get in their own way.” – Dan [41:02]
• Jerry Jones’s involvement, contract “sideshow,” and no NFC championship appearances in 29 years.
• Comparisons to Bengals (similarly slow to adapt but less resources).

5. Other Notably Poor Franchises

Consensus for fifth spot less clear; top mentions include:

• New York Giants: Recent dysfunction, poor coach/QB turnover (e.g., “Tommy Cutlets under center”), and inability to leverage historic success post-2010.
• Arizona Cardinals & Chicago Bears: Labeled as forgettable/poorly run, especially Chicago for repeating “dumb moves” (stadium uncertainty, coaching carousel).
• Carolina Panthers: “Disaster” under new, inexperienced owner; failed to capitalize since Cam Newton era.
• Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars: Picked for recent instability, “floundering” without progress, and failed coaching hires.

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Notable Quotes

• “Shortcuts, short and long-term success.” — Dan quoting Sam Presti on rebuilding the right way [18:10]
• “Crab cakes and football. That's what Maryland does.” — Dan, on Baltimore’s distinctive identity [07:32]
• “They have the longest streak without making the [NFC] championship game… 29 straight years.” — Mike on the Cowboys’ futility [44:50]
• “Spend cash. Over and above, which not everybody does.” — Mike on Pegula and Bills ownership [18:36]
• “That's a layup.” — Jenna on picking the Browns as a worst franchise [39:25]
• “Some owners are cheap… It's Jerry.” — Dan, critiquing Jerry Jones’s self-inflicted Cowboys drama [43:10]

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Important Segments (Timestamps)

• [03:07] — Start of ‘Best Franchises’ discussion; Ravens introduction.
• [07:44] — Chiefs and their dynasty credentials.
• [12:01] — Why the Bills are now a top five franchise.
• [19:43] — Eagles’ Jeffrey Lurie as “best owner in pro sports.”
• [23:27] — Packers and the argument for Green Bay.
• [25:35] — Debate on the Lions and whether their run is sustainable.
• [29:14] — Rams discussion as a possible top five organizational example.
• [32:08] — 49ers’ strengths and ongoing contract drama.
• [34:44] — Unanimous selections and each host’s rankings.
• [35:11] — ‘Worst Franchises’ segment start.
• [36:17] — Breakdown of the Saints’ downfall.
• [39:19] — Browns as the “layup” for the NFL’s worst-run team.
• [41:02] — Cowboys labeled as “bottom five” due to wasted opportunities.
• [47:49] — Jets’ failures and inability to capitalize on talent.

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Memorable Moments

• Repeated jokes about media lunches (especially Saints’ “saddest box lunch you've ever seen” [36:33]).
• “Crab cakes and football!”—a classic, lighthearted regional reference [07:32].
• Spirited debate over whether the Lions’ recent surge is sustainable or merely a “flash in the pan.”
• Playful ribbing about who’s more optimistic or focused on recent history vs. long-standing achievements.

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Final Thought

The episode offers a thorough, fast-paced, and occasionally humorous exploration of NFL franchise health. It balances nostalgia, a journalist’s eye for process, and on-field outcomes, giving fans not just lists but the logic and observations behind them. The conversation underscores how easily a franchise can fall from grace or, with the right leadership, rise to sustained relevance.

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Transcript

[A]

You talk about the stadium when you guys were there, when the Bills played on Thanksgiving, the Saints and Dan had like a moldy sandwich that they gave everyone.

[B]

It wasn't moldy. It was the saddest box lunch you've ever seen. That's a big part of the ranking.

[C]

Yes, that's a big part of the ranking lunch.

[B]

What do you talk about worst franchises? What are they feeding the media?

[A]

All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus channel, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. And welcome to the latest episode of the league presented by stellar roofing Windows Inciting. In this episode, we're going to talk the list of five best and five worst franchises in the NFL. We all have our own answers. We have chatted very, very briefly, Mike and I, but I'm curious to see what our outlooks will look like and what we put into consideration in terms of making this list.

[C]

So I started thinking of this when we talk in our other podcasts about this league. And I would say things like, you know, this is what the dumb teams do, the dumb franchises. It's why they keep doing the same things over and over again without having the success. And then we've also talked about the teams that take advantage of the rules and somehow keep winning and making those draft picks where everybody's like, God, they did it again. You know how the Ravens get another safety? Like those kind of things, right, that work and then it has to be success. Right? It can't just be, well, you're doing all the right things, but it's not working on the field. I put all those things together. Even thinking about the franchise itself, like, how's your place to play? Do you have facilities that players want to be at? Do you. You find ways to get the job done. Is the fan base engaged now? Those things are less important than the actual winning on the field. But I kind of thought of it big picture, like, these guys know what they're doing and it works on the field.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's not legacy. It's not, it's not necessarily 20 years. It's not just heading into this year. It is kind of the all encompassing of the current vibe that is going on for the past few years of teams. We want to hear what your thoughts are even before we start this podcast. In this video, what are do you think are the best five, what do you think are the worst five run franchises in the NFL? I think that It'll be. If you do that now and you comment in, I think it'd be fun to see what the comments are by the end because maybe you're going, oh, I didn't think of that team. Like, Mike had a couple different ones than I had when we were just kind of running through it. So. To see how that goes.

[A]

Yeah. All right, let's start. We'll start with the good ones.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So I want to hear. Do we want to decide, say, our top five and then decide the order or how do we want.

[C]

Yeah, I would say the five teams I'm just going to give you as we go along and you guys can, too. Teams you have on your list. And then maybe at the end, we'll just. At the end of this, we'll say in what order you would put them.

[B]

Because I think there's a unanimous four.

[C]

Oh, I don't know about that. Let's wait on that before we say that. So we'll give a few. Like I'm going to throw one out there that I have in my top five. This is no particular order. And I have the Baltimore Ravens in there.

[A]

I also have them in my top five.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Okay. So we started out with all with the same team. I think the Ravens have won football games, done it in different ways. You know, we talked about the years, but you can go back to the Joe Flacco days. Joe Flacco, which he's still playing in this league, so it's not that far along. Stability, certainly in the front office, you know, was Ozzy before that. They've done a great job with Dasta. They've got. Harbaugh has been there forever. They have brought in Lamar. Like, have they made mistakes? Yes, they went through a couple of tough years. I didn't love the way they handled Lamar at that time. It was a weird circumstance for the franchise.

[A]

Isn't that wild to think about now?

[C]

Sort of off brand for what they've been. But they got their act together. And yes, as Bill's fans know, they can't get by the Chiefs just like the Bills can't get by the Chiefs. But I think they've been a heck of a franchise building that thing up in Baltimore through the years after, you know, they lost their team to Indianapolis years ago.

[B]

Especially when I look at the Ravens, I do think of an identity and stability that comes with, you know, they're going to play great defense. They are really good at home, like all of those things.

[A]

Especially at night.

[B]

Especially at night. In the all Black uniforms. I think of the coaching is good. I think for whatever reason, Harbaugh gets a pass. I don't think he gets as much grief as he should. When you look at the grand scheme of his resume, I don't think that for everybody. Bills fan that wants Sean McDermott fired, I always say, look at what Harbaugh has accomplished. And I don't buy that the AFC north is this gauntlet of a division. Yes, they all beat each other up because at times I think they're not that very good of teams to begin with. But this thought of division titles, AFC championship appearances, super bowl appearances, I would argue that Harbaugh should be on the hot seat more than he is. But it's just kind of that legacy of it's the Ravens, it's Harbaugh.

[C]

I want to ask Jenna this. Harbaugh, just like Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh, have a Super bowl, have super bowl championships on their resume. I think that's the difference between them and Sean McDermott, because Sean doesn't have the super bowl championship. When a guy has that, it's a little bit like, you're that made man.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not forever, but you're. And they win. You win games. And you've said, well, he's done it before. It's now going back a few years since they've won it all.

[A]

Yeah. You say, and that's it. And I hear that. But I also do think that the. It is what every team is chasing every season. And it is that it is that coveted that to have that on your resume is a massive bonus. And you're right, it does make you a bit of a made man. And is there an expiration date on that? Yes. But is there also leniency that comes with, hey, this guy's done it before, he can figure out how to do it again. Absolutely. But I definitely do have the Ravens in my top five because of the 16 sustained success that they have had. The stability like we talked about. I think the fan base plays into it too. The culture, the identity. And I think they have Lamar, they have Derrick Henry. They have some like, big name players that helps that have, that have draw.

[C]

And they, you know, like they just went, got Alexander. That is such a Ravens move.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's usually like. And that's why we joked we thought Von Miller would end up, who knows, he may end up being there. They always do that. They bring in those players. I mean, they brought in Derrick Henry. There were people questioning, is that going to work? And not only did it work. It flourished for the year and they have Lamar, so they've done a lot of things right. You know, the Bills have the ones gotten by them in these big moments, but they've gotten to the championship game when they didn't play the Bills and they lost to the Chiefs. So we know where the Chiefs are, but I just think they are. I do think they are one of those franchise. I would say. I love the stadium. They made some changes the last time we were there. Didn't love it for the media because we really loved Baltimore. Kind of made a few mistakes, we thought, but there's a lot of. Plus.

[A]

I just remember it was pouring when I was there.

[B]

Crab cakes and football. That's what. That's what Maryland does.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's creative. Thank you for that.

[A]

On a shirt.

[B]

Where do you. Do we want to say where we have them in our top five now or do you want to wait?

[C]

I can wait. Let's go. Let's see. Who. Jenna, who would give us another team? You have on your top five.

[A]

I. I mean, I had the Chiefs that to me is number one just because of the success that they have had. Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, the Super bowl championships, I think the fan base. I think that while they've had to rebuild or retool within the time that Patrick Mahomes has been quarterback, and while I do think that the talent on the field this last couple of seasons hasn't been as dynamic as maybe earlier editions of the team, you know that they are going to be a tough team. You know that they're going to show up in the playoffs and you know, usually, except for in the super bowl this last season, they find a way to get it done. So because of that, to me, the resume that they have, it's hard for me not to put them at number one.

[C]

Yeah, they. They do. I mean, what is it? Five Super Bowls that they've been in and one.

[A]

Three.

[B]

Three.

[C]

They lost to Tampa and they lost to. And they lost to the Eagles this last time. But then they beat them and they beat the NERS twice.

[B]

They are. What if we were to have done this, if we could take a time machine back 10 years ago. They're the Patriots.

[C]

Yeah, they.

[B]

And I mean that the way that they.

[A]

I was like, what?

[B]

That they've rebuilt. They have a Hall of Fame coach. They have found ways to win. Jenn, I think you say it best, like when they say they found ways to win. They've done it offensively by scoring a ton of points. They've done it by having the best defense in the league. They've done it by drafting players and utilizing third and fourth round picks pretty well. And, you know, finding Chris Jones in the second round, like they, they find value. They then become the team that signs the guy that just wants to win a ring. And then that all of that aura. It is a phenomenal stadium. It's a great environment. It has almost a college like feel to it. When you go to a game in their tailgating sense, their fans are good. I won't say they're great because of the rivalry that there is, but there is that mutual respect.

[A]

They have great fans.

[C]

Yeah. There they do it and they. And listen, they always had an outstanding atmosphere at that stadium. And they were good before they had been a good team. I mean, the Bills played them way back in the day when they had Joe Montana. They eventually had, you know, Marcus Allen on that team. And, and they played. When Dick Vermeil came to coach, they were a playoff team. Like they cried that.

[B]

Yeah, well, he always cries Dick Vermeil just constantly.

[A]

I thought you said you cried like talking about Mike. I was like Michael crying.

[C]

No, I wasn't crying.

[B]

But Dick for me, he's still crying.

[C]

He's still. He is. He's awesome. Yeah, he's Dick for me. But they have always been good. But Jenna and I were at when they finally won the super bowl the second time. I mean, they won it way back in the day at the beginning when they won with Hank Stam as the coach in the beginning of the Super Bowls. Then it was.

[B]

You remember those days?

[C]

Well, hey, look, I was a little child at the time. And then Jenna and I are there in Miami.

[A]

That was when they won year of 2020.

[C]

That they won. And they have been great. Brett ve is the guy, the general manager has done a wonderful job. I will say though, the way they're built, they have been able to sustain this success without doing certain things. Like they do not do a great job on the offensive line. And they've been able to survive that, I think more than thrive in that way. So I think that's, you know, a little bit against them. But I mean, they've been in the AFC championship game plot. Is it how many years in a row that they've been in and they hosted it, you know, so yeah.

[B]

Yes, they have barrel had invitational.

[C]

Yeah, they have been that team and then found their way three titles. You know, Patrick Mahomes also.

[B]

What's more impressive too is when you think about the Run 7. Yeah, it's when. Yeah, not this past year. The year before, when they went on the road, when nobody thought, hey, this team has just always been home. And they went on the road and won the games.

[C]

They were supposed to beat the Bills, the Ravens.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

On the road. That. That was a big milestone to that dynasty. Talk that they had built was like, well, you got to go on the road and do it. And. And they did it. So, yeah, there's no question.

[A]

When the circumstances aren't perfect, can you win? And they did.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Dan, you got another one for the top five.

[B]

Yeah. I think this is very fitting. I think the Bills are one of the best franchises, top five franchises in the league. And again, we couldn't have said this 10 years ago. We would have had them in the bottom of the.

[C]

Or 15 years ago or 20 years ago.

[B]

So it's. It's kind of cool to get to say the team we cover is one of the best. Not only that, it's the way that they're run, it's the way that they've built it. It hasn't been perfect, but developing the players with the coaches, like they've grown together. Like what Sean McDermott was when he came here isn't what he is now. And the legacy that he's built in Buffalo, turning them to where you said, like, oh, Orchard park was always such a tough place to play. It's. Yeah. Because teams would just didn't care. Like, they would just lose games because there was just no atmosphere and no intensity. So now the fact of what they have, the home field advantage, the new stadium that these fans deserve, this team deserves, the house that Josh is building, all of those things. I think it's a top five franchise, the success they've had, all of those things. I think it's no question it was.

[C]

The place where motivation went to die. That's what it was to say all the time. Because they would catch teams coming in, going in Buffalo, they were only worried about how bad's the weather going to be, even if they are catching a game in October. And that's how the Bills used to win. They never had a real plan. When you go back to when they had great general managers, when they had Bill Polian and John Butler during that stretch of time, and they won and they went to the Super Bowls, they did all that. And then they got away from that. They really did. They tried with Tom Donahoe in the beginning. It just never took. They thought they had one of those guys, and then they were Just a meandering franchise for two decades. And then when the Pulas made the right decision with Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean and then those that group led by Bean went out and said Josh Allen's the guy, it changed everything for the franchise. But they haven't rested on that. And we know SH's already seen in the comments. We haven't won the Super Bowl. They haven't gotten the Super Bowl. Yes, they are very well aware of it, but they have maintained a incredibly high standard and they just like, like the Ravens, they can't get by the Chiefs. That has been the thing. The, the Bengals did it once but the other teams haven't been able to do it.

[B]

I think it's fitting too when you talk about, Bean had talks about at the end of this year, when he talks about we're going to keep knocking on the door, we're going to keep knocking on the door, eventually you'll get through. Meaning like that super bowl appearance and that super bowl victory that we all say, I know your fears in the trust tree but like we all think it's coming. Sam Presti, who is the VP and GM of the Thunder, he had a quote today, or whether it was last night, said that shortcuts short and long term success. I thought that's a really cool saying. And to have the big picture that when the Bills came in and when Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean and they snapped the drought in 2017 and it was like, okay, but then they pulled it back to the studs because they wanted long term success, they knew that Tyrod wasn't going to be the answer. They knew this offense needed more weapons. They knew they needed to rework defense and draft better and rework the cap to get it back where it was. To me those are things that well run franchises do and the bad ones try and take shortcuts to get that small success. But the teams that I all have in my top five are teams that it's not just been a flash in the pan. And I'm not talking about just it's not as easy to me as when we're looking at the best franchise of like, well, who's won the most Super Bowls or who's made the most super bowl appearances. That's part of it. Over these last. I don't know if we're going 10 years or eight years, you know, the most recently it's the what I think even moving forward where I think this franchise is in a good position as one of the best in the league.

[C]

Yeah. And your point about the Bills were that franchise that always wanted to try to, you know, I mean, bringing in to and, and trying to trade for Drew Bledsoe and doing those things as opposed to making a move that you think when the Bills attempted to do that with Von Miller, where you've already got it set up, now you're bringing in a player. And I think back to talking to Micah Hyde. He hadn't announced his retirement, but he was kind of talking about it and he was like, I laugh when people poo poo culture. And they'll be like, everybody talks about culture. Oh, no. Culture is very real. And in Buffalo it was very real. And Hyde was like, yeah, basically like, there's no culture. When we came in here.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They had.

[B]

When he leaves Buffalo and goes to Miami and goes, yeah, this is. Wasn't what I thought it was going to be.

[C]

But to, to the point of Sean. And when they were new and that was all new, a guy like Poyer and Hyde, they brought in the right kind of guys. They didn't really know it maybe a little bit with Poyer. Guy like Lorenzo Alexander was here with, with been with Rex, but then he came in with this group and they started to build that. And the biggest thing I can say is guys really want to be in Orchard park much more than it used it used to be. They had lousy facilities, which all goes to this too.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

They built the facilities. They built the TR area. They did all those things that guys say, I like being with my teammates. I like being here, being in Buffalo. And they tell guys around the league, this is a good place to be, you know, because everybody jokes about the weather. Well, people want to be there because they want to be with the franchise.

[B]

There's no palm trees.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes, that is true.

[C]

There is the difference in the franchises.

[A]

It's almost though like eating your vegetables or like I, I, I make the. You always say do what you have to do now so you can do what you want to do later. And I think what was essential to this Bill is being the team that they are now is like you talked about going back, ripping the roster, the studs, building it the right way, fixing the cap, adding in pieces and going from there. And you're seeing how when you do it in that way, it is sustained success that you can get after. But I like that quote a lot.

[B]

I thought it was cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I repeat it?

[B]

Shortcuts, short and long term success.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

I nailed it. Well, it sounds good anyhow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Either way, I also want to add something in here. I want to give credit and it'll come up, I think in a little bit too is for all of the criticism of Terry Pula and ownership when we talk about the Buffalo Sabres. If fans who watch this know they own the Sabres too and that franchise hasn't worked. Terry Pigul has been willing to spend money.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Spend cash. Over and above which not everybody does. One team that doesn't do that is the Kansas City Chiefs. That is not a big thing with the Chiefs. They are not as aggressive with the void year contracts and spending money. Now look, they've still had incredible success and it's worked for them, but that is not what they are known for and it's work. So it's fine. But the Bills do that. The Bills will spend the money even at contracts may be smaller, but like the BOSA deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is you are spending money and pushing the hit down the line. So that is money. Not every team is willing to do that. And I think it helps.

[B]

As we've said, not all NFL owners are created equal. They're not. Look, they don't have the same liquidity. They don't have the same willingness to spend the money and cut the checks like they do. And that's also credit to being as a gm to understand the loopholes in the fake salary cap so they can use it like to their success.

[C]

Yes. Until the league finally says we're going to make it real.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Let's see what they do.

[A]

All right. We have to mention your Eagles.

[C]

Yeah. Look, I. The owner of the Eagles is Jeffrey Lori. I think right now he's the best owner in pro sports. I think he just is. He has done an incredible job with that team as an owner. I'm just talking about the ownership. He's the best owner.

[B]

This Philly is showing.

[C]

He spends the money. The team itself is. He. You know, it's funny. He. When he came in after a short period of time, he made this phrase and they've always brought it up. He'd say we want to be the gold standard of the NFL and he got ridiculed because they never could get past the NFC Championship. Right. And then they eventually made a Super bowl and they lost and whatever. And then he figured it out. And he finally did figure it out. So they have that. They have the gm, they spend the money, they draft. Well, they have done it with different, different iterations of the teams. As great as the Bills and the Ravens recently. And the Chiefs have been. I mean, the Eagles did It with different quarterbacks. Done it, done it that way.

[B]

Different quarterbacks, different coaches been able to.

[C]

And they are. That's why I brought up the spending of the money. They are the gold standard of spending the most money out front.

[B]

And sourcap isn't real to Philly.

[A]

Yeah. Definitely the case there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Every position they have a guy that's in the top five.

[C]

Right. Because they're willing to put the cash out. And then. Wait a minute. We should mention this if you haven't watched others. Dan, when do you think the cap will go up again?

[B]

Next year. And then the year after and then the year after that. And the year after that too.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. At least at that point. So if you don't get our very weak attempt at sarcasm. It goes up all the time.

[B]

It's pretty strong. It's a pretty strong. I laid on pretty thick.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And that's real.

[C]

And that's what they have done. And they have drafted very well and you know, but not always. Like they had their rough stretches and then they did. So they've made it to three Super Bowls. They've won two of them. They have a very young team, especially on defense.

[B]

They're all funny.

[C]

Well, that's the biggest thing. And so the draft just take guys from Georgia. Yeah. And it's worked out. And sometimes trade with the dumb teams and we'll get to the dumb teams.

[B]

And when I also think credit to. To Philly is when they have made dumb decisions, they then correct them. They don't sit there with pride and ego to let them get in their way. Jalen Rager was a really bad pick.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And they got rid of that very quickly.

[C]

All time bad pick. You passed on Justin Jefferson. Maybe it will end up as the greatest receiver of all time. And you took a guy who couldn't play and. But they did. And then Carson Wentz when it went south, it's like all the cap hit. The cap hit. And how he's like, not only did he get rid of the cap, it he got a number one pick for him. So this is what they've done. And they have made mistakes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And they. You're right. And they just go out and go, yeah, we screwed up. It was bad. We're going to fix it. And then they end up going out and. And make another move. So it is. It is like with the Bills, I think people are confident in the management. The difference is they've won the super bowl. So they get that more even from their own fan base. They get more of A benefit of the doubt. Brandon being Sean McDermott, have not won a Super bowl, which I think is the only part. Big part, but it's the only part that holds it back.

[A]

All right, so in the mix, we have Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Ravens. Who would be your fifth team, Dan?

[B]

Those are my unanimous four.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, and then I had five or a couple other teams that were on the cusp of who I could make an argument for who I would have as the fifth.

[C]

So throw one out there.

[B]

I had Green Bay.

[C]

I like the Green Bay pick. I think they've been a stable, very stable.

[B]

No ownership. We're all. They're all owners.

[C]

Yes. Which is. Is a unique thing. And it's can be positives and negatives. And it's probably a little bit. When I talk about that cash thing, it's probably more of a negative for them because they don't have the owner cutting the big check. It's operated differently. They've done it with different quarterbacks. They've drafted those guys.

[B]

It's kind of strange, but the fan base is incredible. Yeah, you think of like the Steelers would have been a top five. And I know they haven't had the playoff wins. That's. That's like the big knock against them. But as I've said before, I think on the late. The previous episode of the league, like, they're just turning into a joke. Like, they have this legacy, this aura. You know what you're going to get when you go to Green Bay? They're going to put out a respectable team every single year. They have direction, all those things. But the Steelers don't have that anymore. And I still believe that Green Bay is going to be a team that will compete.

[C]

Janet, don't you think the difference between the two, with Pittsburgh and them is once they didn't have the quarterback, Pittsburgh, they didn't have the quarterback.

[A]

I mean, Green Bay, they didn't address it either.

[C]

Yeah, well, you know, they've keep trying with different guys, but they haven't. And whereas in Green Bay, they have gone from hall of Famer, hall of Famer to a very good player, whether he eventually gets to that. Whereas in Pittsburgh, it really dropped off, obviously, when Roethlisberger was done. So they haven't been able to do it. Still a great organization. And I used to say on our podcast before, or even on the air before we even did this podcast, that the Steelers are what the Bills want to grow up to be, a smaller market team, Northeast and try to be that. And I think they've not only done that, they certainly don't have the Steelers history with all the Lombardi's but they're a better franchise than the Steelers now because the Steelers haven't been able to get past that point.

[A]

Undoubtedly.

[C]

Who else you have in there?

[A]

I had the Lions.

[B]

I did too. I had those in Mike's.

[A]

I'm surprised that you didn't say the Lions, honestly when I said top five.

[B]

Because it is a smaller sample size.

[C]

I.

[A]

That's. That's fair. I just think from what they've pulled themselves out of and the caliber of play that I now expect.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

The coach quarterback seems stable. Seems like there's culture. Culture, all that stuff. I just feel like while you're right their body of work is not as much as some of the other franchises we picked. You're like scoffing, I guess.

[C]

I love the Lions. I love their fan base. They put up with a lot of.

[B]

Through the years and Mike's seen a.

[C]

Lot of it and I have. In the time it takes you to actually board a flight from Group 8.

[A]

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[C]

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[B]

Would be stunned next year if the Lions win six games.

[C]

So I'm going to give you know what I'm saying. No, I think they're very, very good team. And right now I just don't think the body is long enough. That's the only thing holding me back from saying is in this short window I would give them that. You could say, okay, they're, they're one of those teams.

[B]

But we're also forecasting what I think the next five to ten would be.

[C]

You could almost. Would you put the Houston Texans in there?

[A]

I thought they were like to me that was a team that's out of the top five but ascending.

[C]

So I have two teams that I think I have.

[A]

Here's the bracket in my head. Top five, four falling from grace, ascending and like the top five are here. I would have the Texans being ascending and I would have the Steelers falling.

[C]

She wants to include everybody. That's it.

[A]

No, I'm just in my head I'm like, okay, here we like this is Jerry Hughes. I love Jerry Hughes.

[B]

Bring him back to Buffalo because I thought about Houston but they get the. I can't get over the desean thing like how things south went. Things went there and then they had to have that embarrassing year of. I also think of like the image of a franchise and while they seem to have got it right, that was Houston could literally be a flash in the pan where I think the Lions are. Have built something.

[C]

We'll see.

[A]

It is interesting because I do agree with you that I think the. The Texans to me don't have a long enough body of work for me to be like they are. They are where the lion should be. But I have more faith in Detroit.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And the moments that they've played in so far and the record that they've had.

[B]

All that stuff.

[C]

You're. You, you, you.

[B]

It's a better story.

[C]

You're too. You're. Yes. But you're looking at it really.

[A]

So who do you have.

[C]

I think the Rams are in there.

[A]

The Ram. I could see the Rams but I just feel like right now I just don't know.

[C]

So the Rams are a better team than the Lions right now? I think the Rams.

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah. No question. In fact I think yeah, the Rams are a better team than the Lions right now. I don't agree with the Rams. The Lions. Let's see how the Lions look without their OC and their DC with a head coach because I saw it happen in Philly when they got the wrong guys in there. I'm not saying they're going to get the wrong guys, but it's different people. And. And I think the. I think the Rams very solid head coach GM with Snead and they have done a heck of a job and they were good last year and they have been good for a good stretch. They did it before by screw those first round picks and then they made their draft picks and made excellent draft picks especially on defense. I don't think you can shortchange the Rams at all.

[B]

I think Stafford and I love Matt Stafford.

[A]

You do?

[B]

I have questions. I still think arm talent making the throws. He is top tier right underneath the Allen Burrow Mahomes. Like really that's how. But I don't think they have a plan after that.

[C]

Well, you're right.

[B]

And they've got. They've got offensive line concerns like they're still trying to figure out. And for all you say love like the culture. I don't know what the Rams culture is. It's been. And I think the Lions literally have a tough nose when after a game where you play the Lions you lose the next game because they physically beat you up and they didn't have Aiden Hutchinson this year.

[C]

In very recent time, the Rams have gone to the super bowl with two different quarterbacks, including the Lions quarterback. And then they went back again.

[B]

So. Plus for the Lions.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying is. I think if you look at it the way. At least the way I was looking at this, it would extend beyond the Lions and the Lions type of winning just recently. I really wish that year they would have made the Super Bowl. That was brutal the way they lost. That's not about organization. They came back. They were still great again this year and they failed in the playoffs and that's tough.

[A]

The reason I don't have them in my top five is just because forecasting the future of quarterback for them, I just feel more secure. I think Matthew Stafford is a better quarterback than Jared Goff, but I just think golf has more tread on the tires. And what do you like. Finding the franchise quarterback is a huge piece of being a top five.

[C]

I don't disagree that they do have. They do have Sean McVeigh and that helps.

[A]

I, I'm not. Yeah.

[B]

But if you had to say which team is more likely to have five wins next year if Stafford gets injured in week two, Okay. I think they're in trouble. I think the Lions have a defense enough that can defense a run game.

[C]

And I think there's a lot of teams that you take. I mean, well.

[B]

Yeah, but Stafford's been injured a lot.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. I just think.

[B]

I feel like his elbow is a ticking time, but I love the guy.

[C]

Listen, you guys are. That's your opinion on that. I think you're. I, I took it as a bigger picture thing with the entire organization.

[B]

So did we.

[A]

So I, I think again I'm projecting like where they've been at the last probably four or five seasons and then what do I expect from them? The future.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are your. Is yours more based in the past?

[C]

It's past. And I just, I think honestly I have more faith in Sean McVeigh going forward.

[B]

I like your other answer more than your Niners answer or Rams answer.

[C]

Well, I was going to say I think the Niners. To me, the Niners is their past success more than the future. I think theirs is strange. But they had been a really good franchise.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

They also have a incredible history. But that's back. But they have been really good. They were so close. I mean they should have beaten the Chiefs twice in the super bowl and lost both those games. Kyle Shanahan's a great coach, man. But when it falls for him. It happens in the big. In the big, big moments. But I think they. I think theirs is a little more in the past. I. I would say that I guess maybe I'm just a little bigger on the Rams than you guys in terms of that defense is going to be really good.

[B]

I like your Niners, but there is always seemingly somebody holding out. Like, there always seems to be a little bit of a. They can't figure out how to pay all of their guys correctly or efficiently in the sense of you're going to pay. The. The saga with IUK went on too long.

[C]

For the 9.

[B]

For the 9.

[C]

9Ers.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

Trent Williams, like, there always seems to be a little bit of like, oh, it'll get worked out. And then it doesn't get worked out. And then you're like, oh, this is.

[C]

This is.

[B]

This may be something I would have.

[C]

Rather for the Niners, seen them clean house a little bit and then come.

[B]

Back and they drafted Trey Lance. The Brock Purdy thing, it doesn't erase that. You also drafted Trey Lance.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Traded up all of those picks. It doesn't mean, like, great move there by. By lynch, you know, really, really good move. He also had a boneheaded first round pick.

[C]

Yeah. And it cost you. It definitely cost them.

[B]

But.

[C]

But to their credit, like we said, good organizations say this didn't work.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And they were fortunate that way.

[B]

Those are my.

[A]

Okay, so do we want to order them? I don't think we're going to be able to have a unanimous order.

[C]

No, I guess if I was. If I was looking at my order. You go ahead first, Jenna.

[B]

I would go ahead.

[A]

Go ahead. I would do Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Ravens, Lions.

[B]

I have Eagles, Chiefs, Bills, Baltimore, Green Bay.

[A]

It's weird that you did some cities. Some.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Kind of threw me off a bit.

[B]

Efficient in your wedding. I'm just trying to navigate everything.

[C]

I would have had. Five would have been the Rams. Four would.

[B]

Mike goes the opposite way.

[C]

Five would have been the Rams.

[B]

We all went one to five. You're going five to one.

[C]

Five would have been the Rams. Four would have been the Ravens. Three would have been the Bills. Two would have been the Chiefs. Organizationally, I have to say, I think the Eagles are number one.

[A]

I think the Chiefs.

[C]

And that's fine. I mean, my God, they have the great history.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let us know, like, comment, subscribe.

[A]

Yeah. Also reminder, you can find our podcast available the audio version, wherever you listen to your podcast.

[C]

Now let's have a little fun with the bad Ones.

[A]

Okay. I want to start. I feel like I should start with.

[C]

You, Mike, because there's so many of them. There are so many dumb teams there.

[B]

There are a few, though, that. That are cut above the rest.

[C]

I. This is in no particular order. The New Orleans Saints.

[A]

That's. Yeah, that's fair.

[C]

When they had Drew Brees and they were winning and that place was awesome and the fan base is engaged and they do have a good, loyal fan base there. It was great. Since that time, they have been a mess. Terrible with the cap, Terrible decisions in the draft, doubling down on things and not getting the results. Trading away first round draft picks and never finding the next person for that franchise. I think it's been poorly run. I feel for the people down there also adding into another element. I know there's been issues obviously with the Dome down there. That's not the greatest facility in the world. I think it's a. It's a tough sell to players sometimes for New Orleans. So I think there's a lot of things that have gone against them. Yeah, they need a bit of a reboot. That is not. That has not been a good team or a good.

[B]

They need to be the 2018 bills.

[A]

I'm just laughing at you. Talk about the stadium. When you guys were there, when the Bills played on Thanksgiving, the Saints and Dan had like a moldy sandwich that they gave everyone.

[B]

It wasn't moldy, but that was Thanksgiving. Trey White tours acl.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was the saddest box lunch you've ever seen.

[C]

We will put the picture. We have the photo of Dan.

[A]

I definitely have. I definitely have that, but I, I just.

[B]

That's a big part of the ranking.

[C]

Yeah. That's a big part of the race lunch.

[B]

What do you talk about worst franchises? What are they feeding the media?

[C]

The Superdome was a great building and then certainly Katrina had a big impact and it ended up being just a place of horrors for real people.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

In that. And I just think it. That's only part of it. I mean, I just, I feel for. When you. When you're in that place, that can't help but come to your mind. I just don't think they've been a very well run organization. And we talk about spending money and kicking the can down the road. They did it with bad players and no quarterback. That's why they never did a reset.

[B]

Yeah. And that's where everybody always says, like, oh, you got to pay the salary cap. You're going to. Eventually you're going to have to pay the bill. Yeah. If you're the Saints, like, that's, that's part of it. Because you never hit the reset button. You never did. The 2018 bills of. All right, we got to get things under control for the future because they were fine with kicking the salary cap down the road when they were winning and going to the playoffs and had Drew Brees. So don't say that it doesn't work. When you win, it's fine. But since then, Mickey Loomis, their gm, does not want to take his medicine, and that has hurt the team every step of the way. You have drafted poorly. You have signed aging quarterbacks to massive contracts because you're overpaying, because you can't figure out the draft. All of that has been a disaster. So, like, when people say the salary cap. Israel, Dan, look at the Saints. They are the most catastrophic team that does not know how to manage it. You weave whether or not you want to take the jokes. And I'm not going to go into the whole big thing about it, but like, you can manipulate it and if they don't know how to. And they're not willing to take their medicine and start over, even the Bills.

[C]

Because they have the quarterback and they've been able to build around them in 24, they took medicine. Right. You cut big name players from this franchise and tried to rebuild and got again within a play of the Super Bowl. So they.

[B]

Football decisions that come with salary cap benefits. The players, as we've mentioned, the players the Bills cut and moved on from weren't good football players.

[C]

Okay. But they also made a deal and got rid of Stefan Diggs, who was a good player. They did it for team culture and made it work because they have the other elements to them. So I feel for the fans in New Orleans, but right now that is a bad franchise. And, and I don't know what the future holds from them. They, they, they should be in the quarterback sweepstakes to see what they have at the end of the year.

[A]

I mean, I'm going to go Browns.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just, it's so easy in there.

[B]

That's a layup.

[A]

That's. Yeah, it literally is a layup. And then the atrociousness of Deshawn Watson, his play on the field, the off field stuff, like all of it coming together, obviously the history that they had more recently too, with the struggles that they had been going through, just, I think to me it's like absolutely.

[C]

The Browns and the, you know, they made him the first player with a fully Guaranteed contract. It was a disastrous decision. It made them the enemy of the state with all the other NFL owners. And it was obviously a horrible decision. And it's funny because they had Baker Mayfield before that and was turning it around. Yeah. And he ends up playing hurt. It didn't play as well. And then they booed him out. And now he is a, no question, top 10 quarterback in the league and a gamer and tough and the kind of guy they would.

[A]

And they love him.

[B]

A guy that was fit in Cleveland so much.

[C]

Yeah. So they've made so many mistakes. It's bad ownership, bad management of the cap, bad management of the draft.

[B]

And Stefanski is a good coach.

[C]

Yeah. But he may get.

[B]

I mean, he's going to be a casualty of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Situation.

[A]

Yeah. But it's.

[B]

So we could. I mean, Browns fans don't need to hear anymore because. Because you could go on for a long time about that. But the one. I think that is not a team that initially comes to mind, but when you think about the grand scheme of underachieving and all of the expectations. The Dallas Cowboys.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's comical for a team that has other teams don't have the resources or the knowledge or they're trying to figure things out. The Cowboys should not be one of those teams that consistently finds ways to get in their own way. Like an owner that just bought a team and is like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna take charge of this. I. I ran my, you know, technology company this way. I'm gonna run an NFL team. And then they're like, hey, by the way, that's not how, like, professional sports works. Jerry Jones knows how to run a team. And continually, whether it's the coaching, whether it's the contracts, whether it's literally just the play on the field or bad luck or whatever they are with all of their aura with the star America's team. They are one of the bottom five teams, in my opinion. The franchises in the NFL.

[C]

No, I would say it's. They've been given a lot. That Star is big. They are one of those franchises. There are players around the league who would love to play in Dallas. They have drafted well. They have brought in some very good players there. They. Because it's Jerry, and I think he likes the attention. They drag all of those contract situations out. Look, they've. They're doing it with Micah Parsons. They did it with CD Lamb. I never understood why you want to almost make your players feel unwelcome and then eventually Some that you pay.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And the whole Dak Prescott thing, the way it worked out. And it's kind of funny the way it worked out. Like they could have signed him. They could have signed him, they tagged him, then he got hurt and then they come back and they give him this big contract and now it looks like a really bad contract. Not that Dak's not a good player, but it hasn't worked out. And I think the Cowboys, the team I was going to add to this is the Cincinnati Bengals because they do a lot of the same thing. But I don't look at the Bengals having the same advantages in the total world exactly like they do in Dallas.

[B]

Some owners are cheap and all these things. It's Jerry.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's, it's the press conferences in the tunnel after the game. It's all of these things that turns it even. You draft a great player like Micah Parsons or you draft a great wide receiver like CD Lamb, but then you play around with it and make it a sideshow and make it not good pr. It's negative pr.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It makes it unlikable. The dac, all of those things of like. Well, I don't know. We'll see. He's got to do it. Like that's not, in my opinion, what a well run franchise does.

[C]

And Jenna, if you wait to sign.

[B]

A guy, they get more expensive.

[C]

And they've done that with almost every one of those hotels.

[A]

No, I don't. I, I get what you're saying, like the expectations that are on them. I just feel like to me, I would say more like the Giants. I don't know who else you guys had, but I think like they've had success like within the last, you know.

[C]

Probably 15 years about that.

[A]

But like just the, I mean, Tommy Cutlets under center, like what it has looked, like how poorly it has gone. I get what you're saying. Completely. I just, to me, the Giants just. And we love Brian Dable on this podcast. But it has been a. And then you have Joe Shane with the Hard knocks, the look of. About Saquon and everything that came from that. I just think to me, like the Giants, if we're gonna look at that division, I would say the Giants, to me are a team that stands out more so than the Cowboys. You're right. The Cowboys have everything that it takes to be successful and cannot get out of their own way. Whereas to me the Giants are just dysfunctional and have not figured out a way to, to just get through it and figure things out.

[C]

On the field, it is wild that the Cowboys have the longest streak with not making the championship game in the whole NFC. What is it, 29 straight years? Something like that. And. And just poorly run. You're right about the Giants, and they had had those two Super Bowls when they beat Brady and they did all that. And since that time, I think they have one playoff win.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

During that time. So it has been. It has been bad. And look, you can look at. There's other franchises like the Jacksonville Jaguars have been poorly run. They ended up playing in London because they weren't selling out games. The Bills did the same thing in Toronto. Now that London thing has become a bigger thing when it's happened for the league. But it wasn't a great thing. And it wasn't a great thing with that franchise. Poorly run, no stability, Urban Meyer drafting a quarterback, and it never working out.

[B]

That was the one reason I. I almost had them in the bottom five, because I do think that the Cotton family, like, does want to put a good team on the field. Like, it's not like they're cheap. Like, they will go out and spend.

[C]

General managers and they've just been. They've been.

[B]

The Urban Meyer thing was, like, so bad.

[A]

Yeah, that was bad.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But then, like, the giants had Ben McAdoo. You know what I mean?

[C]

No, no, they've had. Yeah.

[A]

Like, there's just some. You're like. Right.

[B]

Just the.

[C]

The image of him and the New York jets, who.

[B]

I mean, there's. Longest playoff drought.

[C]

Yeah. Longest playoff drought. Dysfunctional, poor ownership.

[A]

But you can't. You can't say they don't have talent. Like, that's always what's crazy to me.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, they have. They have some good players on defense. They have a nice wide receiver. They've struggled with the offensive line.

[A]

I don't think they have talent.

[B]

We always, like, that's why I pushed back on Mike Grimes. Like, they've actually fielded a roster. I know, but some teams can't even do that.

[C]

Yeah, they have. They have about five or six very good players on that roster. Right. Most of them on defense.

[B]

I'd say more.

[A]

I would say. I would say more.

[B]

We. If we were to go guy off and go dude for dude. Like, I think that at times, that's what. That's the expression there are. I think in years past, you can make a couple of arguments that they were more talented at times than the Bills.

[A]

I agree. I think last year you could say.

[C]

That that's Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner, some. They have Some talented defensive linemen like Aaron Rodgers. Last year, C.J.

[B]

Mosley was a dude.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, he's retired now. And I'm saying is.

[B]

I'm saying it's not next season.

[C]

No, I'm saying is. And they didn't do it. And he didn't do anything. The defense was bad last year, and they're so dunk functional. You're looking. Yes. We just said Dallas has talent on the team, has no idea how to manage it and work it. And they have more talent, probably. Well, they've had more talent probably than the Jets. No, the jets are, no question, in my. In my bottom five. And it's 14 years and counting.

[A]

Do you have anyone else?

[B]

Arizona and Chicago. Chicago. They are the epitome of bad teams make bad decisions and make bad moves. They are the epitome of that. Cannot get out of their own way. Coaching dysfunction, I guess they're getting a stadium together, but they can't figure that out. And Arizona is just so unforgettable as an organization. For me, that never really seems serious.

[C]

Forgettable.

[A]

What about forgettable?

[B]

What did I say?

[C]

Unforgettable.

[A]

Unforgettable. What about the Panthers, though?

[C]

Oh, yes, I definitely are now. They had the new owner come in with a lot of money. To Dan's point, this is the way I did it. And it was a disaster. So. So we'll see. And the one other team I wanted to throw in there is the Tennessee Titans.

[A]

That's. They're floundering.

[C]

They are. And they. I don't know if they're. Callahan's the right guy at coach now. They've drafted again with the number one pick. Like, they've made a lot of mistakes. You know, trading A.J. brown, all those things that they've done. And yes, that was a very good franchise. They had Mike Vrabel, now he's in New England. So they've made a lot of mistakes.

[A]

Okay. All right. We got our list.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We want to hear from you what you think the top five best franchises in the league are. And the top five worst. I'm curious to see what people will write in.

[C]

I could put any of them worst, but I have to say, I think the Browns would make my number one.

[A]

Yes, Agreed. A thousand percent.

[B]

Browns and Saints.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Neck and no, honestly, I think the Browns are worse, but.

[C]

And the Jets.

[A]

Yeah. I mean. Okay. All right. For my Catalana and Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. Thank you again for watching the league presented by Stellar Roofing Windows and Siding. We'll catch you next time here on the Buffalo Plus Channel, presented by Connors and Ferris. Thanks for watching.

[B]

Sam.