TOO MANY MISTAKES: The Bills 'PISS POOR OFFENSE' vs PATRIOTS leads to 1st LOSS of the season

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: TOO MANY MISTAKES: The Bills 'PISS POOR OFFENSE' vs PATRIOTS leads to 1st LOSS of the season
Release Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Overview

This episode of the Buffalo Plus podcast is a candid post-mortem on the Buffalo Bills' first loss of the season—a 23–20 home defeat to the New England Patriots on Sunday Night Football. The hosts dissect the Bills’ sloppy and mistake-filled performance, examining the offense’s collapse, the Patriots’ execution, and how the loss exposes lingering weaknesses. They also highlight star performances—particularly Stefon Diggs’ revenge game and Dalton Kincaid’s breakout—as well as the impact on the AFC East race.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Bills’ Sloppy and Error-Prone Play

• Uncharacteristic Turnovers:
  • The Bills committed three turnovers, including a costly fumble and a forced throw interception by Josh Allen.
  • "We just played sloppy. That's just bad, bad football. And we just did not play good tonight." (A, 00:00)
• Offensive Ineffectiveness:
  • Lack of rhythm, ill-timed penalties, and questionable play calling, particularly abandoning the run and using unusual plays like a jet sweep to Dawson Knox.
  • "That's just piss poor offense. You cannot turn the ball over and expect to win three times." (B, 00:09)
• Penalties and Focus:
  • Eleven penalties, multiple misalignments, and mental mistakes.
  • "The Bills uncharacteristically couldn't line up correctly... They shot themselves in the foot today a lot." (A, 05:01)

2. Patriots’ Execution and Standout Performances

• Drake May Outplays Josh Allen:
  • Patriots rookie QB Drake May was composed and effective, outperforming Allen under the lights.
  • "Drake May outplayed Josh Allen today... That doesn't mean that there's a changing of the guard... but he played better than Josh Allen tonight." (A, 01:47)
• Stefon Diggs Torments Former Team:
  • Diggs dominated the Bills’ secondary, tallying back-to-back 100-yard games and consistently making key plays.
  • "Stefon Diggs played great for the Bills. He needed to go. But...they don't have that guy on this roster... Diggs was phenomenal. He dominated the game." (B, 10:29)
  • "It was upsetting to see because he was toying with the Bills defense." (C, 11:31)
• Patriots: Well-Coached and Focused:
  • The Patriots executed effectively on both sides of the ball, playing sharp, disciplined football aside from a brief penalty-laden sequence.

3. Offensive Identity Crisis for the Bills

• Receiver Separation Issues:

  • The Bills’ receivers, other than Dalton Kincaid, failed to win one-on-ones against tight man coverage.
  • "No wide receiver won today. You add up all of the Bills wide receiving numbers, and they do not equal Stefan Diggs and what he did." (A, 08:32)

• Dalton Kincaid’s Breakout:

  • Over 100 yards, serving as the only reliable matchup winner.
  • "The bright spot in this one, Dalton Kincaid, career day for him. Goes over 100 yards for the first time in his career. He was a difference maker." (A, 16:33)

• Play Calling Concerns:

  • Joe Brady’s decisions (e.g., jet sweep to Knox, using Ray Davis over James Cook) drew criticism.
  • "This was a game where Joe Brady out coached himself. I think he got away from what had...Too cute." (A/C exchange, 14:42–14:57)

4. Defensive Streaks and Soft Spots

• Strong Stand Early, But Couldn’t Finish:
  • The defense helped keep the Bills in the game despite offensive struggles.
  • "I will give the Bills defense credit for as poor as the offense looked in the first half, they bowed up. They kept him in the game." (A, 18:33–19:01)
• Diggs and May Proved Unstoppable Down the Stretch:
  • Failure to pressure May and control Diggs ultimately doomed any comeback chances.
  • "If Drake May doesn't have Stefan Diggs in this game, they probably don't win." (A, 12:52)
• Critical Defensive Injuries:
  • Milano and other defenders exited with injury, further straining roster depth.

5. AFC East Implications & Fan Reactions

• Back in a Tight Race:
  • What could have been a cushion for Buffalo turns into a close divisional contest.
  • "There's a race in the AFC east now...the Bills could have put so much distance between themselves and the Patriots." (B, 00:56)
  • "I think it pisses [Bills fans] off that Diggs came in here and won. And I think it pisses him off that the Patriots are a legit team." (B, 24:19)
• Calls for Roster Additions:
  • Hosts reiterate the bills still need a true No. 1 receiver, a pass rusher, and a cornerback to address the exposed flaws.
  • "The Bills need still need a corner, a pass rusher and a wide receiver. Like, this is crazy. This is crazy." (A, 21:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Game’s Sloppiness:
  "We just played sloppy. That's just bad, bad football…that's just piss poor offense." (A/B, 00:00-00:09)
• On Stefon Diggs’ Night:
  "Diggs turned it up. Field went for 15. Diggs didn't slide at all today. He embraced contact. He came four yards short of a touchdown that he wanted very badly. But he was the difference maker." (A, 12:17)
• On Dalton Kincaid’s Emergence:
  "Dalton Kincaid, career day for him. Goes over 100 yards for the first time in his career. He was a difference maker in this one." (A, 16:33)
• On Unforced Errors:
  "The Bills uncharacteristically couldn't line up correctly... They shot themselves in the foot today a lot." (A, 05:01)
• Fan Frustration Summed Up:
  "When the Bills lose these games, it's because wide receivers can't get open. You're still missing a second corner, a number two corner that you've been trying for. For three years and there hasn't been consistent pass rush." (A, 18:33)
• On Bills' Outlook:
  "They're still going to win 13 games this year and they'll probably end up as the number one seed… but tonight... you got to eat it." (B, 10:29, 13:02)
• Candid Assessment:
  "Game was like a wet fart. It just was a bad [game]." (A, 25:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00 – 01:44] Opening Reactions: Sloppy play, turnovers, and credit to Patriots
• [01:44 – 03:05] Drake May vs Josh Allen: Comparing quarterback performances
• [03:05 – 06:42] Turnovers, Penalties, and Lack of Focus: Breaking down Bills’ mistakes
• [07:05 – 10:03] Offensive Struggles & Receiver Issues: Execution, lack of separation
• [10:03 – 14:42] Stefon Diggs Revenge Game: Diggs’ impact, Bills’ lack of “that guy”
• [14:42 – 17:00] Coaching and Playcalling Issues: Critique of Joe Brady, run game abandonment
• [17:00 – 18:33] Kincaid Shines: Dalton Kincaid’s breakout and few other bright spots
• [18:33 – 20:13] Defensive Overview & Injuries: Defensive performance and roster injuries
• [21:12 – 23:24] State-of-the-Team Reflections: AFC East race, needs, and fan reactions
• [23:24 – End] Looking Forward & Fan Therapy: Upcoming games, perspective for fans

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Takeaways & Tone

• Blunt and Humorous: The hosts don’t sugarcoat the Bills’ failings, mixing sharp criticism with gallows humor and insider banter.
• Perspective: While emphasizing how damaging mistakes were, the hosts remind fans that a single loss—especially with the Bills still 4–1—is not the end of the world.
• Main Grievances: The Diggs “revenge tour,” lack of playmakers, and coaching decisions are sticking points; emphasis remains on correcting on-field fundamentals and roster holes.
• Encouragement: Calls for patience prevail, with reminders that “it is hard to win in the NFL” and that the Bills remain well-positioned moving forward.

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For Bills fans who missed the episode, this summary captures both the aggravation over Sunday’s loss and the nuanced long-term view from three experienced beat reporters. Expect more reactions, coverage, and fan therapy in upcoming Buffalo Plus content.

Transcript

[A]

We just played sloppy. That's just bad, bad football. And we just did not play good tonight.

[B]

We shouldn't have, shouldn't have even been in it with three turnovers.

[A]

So that's again, that's just, that's just piss poor offense.

[B]

You cannot turn the ball over and expect to win three times.

[A]

This is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[C]

All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We're gonna talk about this Bill's loss, their first loss of the season. 23 20. They lose to the Patriots at home in their whiteout game. A lot to get to the penalties. Sloppy play, bad defense, bad offense at moments.

[A]

I won't do it.

[C]

Don't. What do you make of this?

[B]

Well, there's a race in the AFC east now. I mean, the Bills could have put so much distance between themselves and the Patriots. And look, New England did a lot of things well in this game, but the Bills uncharacteristic amount of mistakes and certainly the turnovers, it almost seemed odd. You're like, well, the Bills turned the ball over. Then they did it again and they decided that was so much fun. We'll do it again three times when they had opportunities. But I'm also going to give a lot of credit to the Patriots. They put the Bills in bad spots. They looked to be a well coached team until the one idiotic series when they took two. Just hit everybody ridiculous penalties. Other than that, they were prepared. We'll talk a lot about it. May was great, Diggs was great, all those things. Patriots deserved it, but the Bills gave it away.

[A]

Two things really stood out to me.

[B]

Me.

[A]

One, Shawn McDermott I thought summed it up best. He said we played the game they wanted us to play. And that to me summed it up perfectly. He talks about how they it's so tough to win when you turn the ball over. And then he kind of was like three times. It wasn't just turn the ball over once, it was three times because numbers don't lie. And two, and I don't think this is a hyperbole or an exaggeration. Drake May outplayed Josh Allen today.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That doesn't mean that there's a changing of the guard in the AFC East. That's not what that means tonight. And bright lights on Sunday night in Orchard Park. Drake May played better than Josh Allen tonight.

[C]

We have been talking about the Bills playing with their food a lot this season. As you know. The Bills were able to always allow to win. And honestly, until the clock hit zero, I was like, they could still do something because they're at home, and obviously they know how to play at home and win here. But it did feel like when the Bills needed to put together things, it just did not come together. It really didn't. And Josh with the turnovers as well, that doesn't help. It was weird with the fumble, and then the Patriots fumbled and the Bills fumbled. It just felt so sloppy. Penalties. It just felt like they never were able to get themselves out of it.

[B]

And I think to Dan's point about May, when you look at the numbers, the total numbers, they're pretty even between the two, which automatically makes it a loss for the Bills. If anybody's. Even with Josh Allen, it's a loss for the Bills. He's the leader. He has done so much with protecting the football, being so smart, not making the bad play or the bad throw. I don't know specifically what happened on that handoff. First of all, if there's a play to hand off a jet sweep to Dawson Knox, take that out of the playbook. If he was supposed to hand off to him, number one. But number two, he said in the postgame, he didn't force that throw. It looked a bit like a forced throw, the one that was intercepted. So they end up with three turnovers in the game, and Keon had the fumble, but it stems from the quarterback. Look, they didn't lose the game because of Josh Allen, but they played kind of like that. Josh still made some big plays and all, but I think it takes the whole team back when Josh makes a mistake, he doesn't make that many mistakes. And he did make a couple tonight, and May just did not. And when you look at it, that he looked really good. And to Dan's point, too, about the bright lights, it didn't faze him at all. I guess the whiteout didn't do anything to hurt him.

[C]

I will say before the game and I texted you guys this, the energy, to me, just felt flat. It just felt kind of pedestrian, kind of like, all right, we're here, you know, we're warming up, all that stuff. I just felt like it was lacking in that way.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And that doesn't mean a team's gonna play flat. But when we started the game, I was like, it still felt like this team has been really lucky because they are usually more talented and they usually do execute better. And today was a learning experience. And Sean McDermott talked about that how it is hard to win in the NFL. The Bills have done a good job of it, but just because you've done it in the past doesn't mean you can't take any team lately.

[A]

And I know it's. It is. It is. Coach speak when Sean says it, but talks about how it is hard to win the NFL, but he did say it teaches you lessons fast. And I think that there are some people out there that are probably watching this and they've already liked and commented and they're. They've subscribed, but they're commenting in like, this is a problem. All these things are wrong. Relax. This is a little bit of what we've seen. Like Jenna said the last few weeks, they've just gotten away with it because, yes, the Saints played a B minus game. The Patriots played a really good game today. And like, I don't. I hate when teams come out here or the Bills come out here and they say, give them credit, too. They played well. No, they executed. And that's what this game comes down to. That's the whole point of any given Sunday. The Bills uncharacteristically couldn't line up correctly.

[B]

Yeah, they.

[A]

They couldn't. And I know that we were all sick and tired of hearing Sean Hockey's voice by the end of this game, but I don't think they really missed. I don't think there were phantom flags.

[B]

Well, they did miss one.

[A]

They did miss one. But I thought a lot of those penalties, Dalton, Kincaid, grabbing a guy around the neck holdings, like, those were mental mistakes. Like the jets talk about how they shoot themselves in the foot and then in the back of their head. The Bills shot themselves in the foot today a lot.

[B]

And the penalties, the. The lining up incorrectly multiple times and then, you know, they had too many of those. And yes, there were a lot of penalties. There was also penalties on the Patriots, too. Yeah, you know, that. That they had. But it was. It was more about a team. I, I would say you can say a lot about the Bills, but they rarely look like they don't have focus.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Sometimes they don't play as well. Sometimes the offense goes a little south, the play doesn't work. This. This was off. This was off from the beginning. Josh got him revved up a couple of times. I thought, just like Jenna said, I thought, Josh is going to lead him down the field. They're going to score a touchdown, and they're going to find a way to win this game. And then it went backwards. They got the field goal, but it Just set New England up to go back down and win the game.

[C]

When Josh did the scramble at one point in the second half, and I was like, he. To me, I literally, in my head, he was saying, like, all right, I guess I gotta do this myself.

[A]

Yeah, I tweeted that out. There were a couple of moments where he was like, eff it. I'll just do it on my own. And Josh got beat up tonight, and he was not sharp. But that touchdown pass that he threw to Keon Coleman, it was two yards out, but it was a laser and it was back shoulder perfection. And he. And I'm watching from the press box right over there, and Josh kind of. He's not fired up, jogging off the field, he's like, yeah, holy cow. Like, he had gotten hit. He'd gotten hit late. He was running around a lot. It felt. When it's that slog that we've seen in playoff games when Josh is, like, scrambling to his right, then stopping, then faking out a defensive lineman to throw across the field, it. It wasn't good. And that's where I want to start with this offense. And Jenna, where do you think? Was it coaching execution or just the Patriots defensive plan?

[C]

Honestly, I. Sorry I was distracted by caca ing in the stadium, but it felt like everything was very difficult. And I give credit to the Patriots defense, but I did feel like there were moments where it just felt. Felt like no one was open. It just felt like nobody was.

[A]

We ever heard that before. Because that's why I wanted to start, because Josh even said it. What was difficult at times, you know, offensively. And he said they played a lot of man coverage. Teams have stopped doing that historically because you're turning your back to Josh, and that's when Josh takes off. But when you play a lot of main coverage, it is one on one. And the Bills did not have wide receivers that could separate. No wide receiver won today. You add up all of the Bills wide receiving numbers, and they do not equal Stefan Diggs and what he did. Dalton Kincaid, we can get to him in a second as the bright spot of this offense. But this was a little bit of deja vu. And this is what is frustrating when it's like you need guys to win one on one battles against good corners because the Patriots have two really good corners, and Christian Gonzalez and. And Carlton Davis, and they didn't win at all.

[B]

And when they made plays offensively, Kinkaid did get himself. And it usually was, I won't say a slower developing play, but Josh would Go back, look. And then Kincaid would break to the middle, caught everything. Played really well. When Keon made a play, he was covered. Then he went up, made a really nice catch.

[A]

May have been the best play he's made in his career.

[B]

Really, really nice.

[A]

Third down. Gotta have it.

[B]

Yeah. And. But like non existent. Curtis Samuel made a couple of plays tonight. But I mean, honestly, they're not getting anything else out of the wide receivers. And it came back to get them tonight. And that is.

[C]

That is where you see the limitations of Everybody eats. Everybody eats is great for the reason that you don't have to force feed a guy. You don't have to worry about getting X guy X number of targets. But in situations like this where it's man coverage, where you just need to beat the man in front of you, the Bills don't really have that.

[B]

Can I say it? Okay. Diggs.

[A]

Stefan Diggs is stuffed.

[B]

So here's what I want to say.

[A]

He is so full after this performance.

[B]

Oh, my God. But here's what I want to say to you. Stefon Diggs played great for the Bills. He needed to go. They needed to get rid of him. He needed to be out. Okay. But the type of player he is that. You know it, I know it, everybody on defense knows it. They're going to go to Diggs and he can make a play. They don't have that guy on this roster. And they're still going to win 13 games this year and they'll probably end up as the number one seed. It comes. When you said it, it did feel a little like some of those playoff games where it's back kind of like that Kansas City game that they lost in the divisional round here. And then at the end they win by three points. Like, that's the way it went. And the Chiefs went. It's that guy. And Diggs was phenomenal. He dominated the game. We can say what we want. Drake May got him the ball, made some great athletic plays, but Benford couldn't handle him. Trae White couldn't handle him. Safeties could do nothing. Nobody could do anything against Diggs.

[C]

So before the game, Diggs comes out to the boos, runs out on the field. And we were all talking. We're like, he loves this. He loves being the villain. He love. It was certainly personal for him. That would be my takeaway. But he was out there playing like he wanted it. And you saw that intensity from him. Also incredible that he's only just a short distance removed from an ACL surgery because of how fluid he looked, the quick cuts, all that stuff. But Diggs wanted it more. And it was upsetting to see because he was toying with the Bills defense.

[A]

Yeah, he comes out. We were talking about it on the podcast. He was a captain. He called the coin toss. The first play of the game went to him.

[C]

Yes. And as soon as that, I was like, oh, shit.

[A]

Yeah. That was one of those moments where we said, how much has this team embraced Diggs and all that's been going on around him. They embraced him because. And not only that, Diggs. Diggs has also been a guy that is very smart on the field. We've always done that. But he catches that ball normally and he'll go down. Diggs turned it up. Field went for 15. Diggs didn't slide at all today. He embraced contact. He came four yards short of a touchdown that he wanted very badly. But he was the difference maker. Like, if you. If you don't have. If Drake May doesn't have Stefan Diggs in this game, they probably don't win.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That is the difference of having that go to dog that is going to win and you're going to throw him the ball and say, make a play.

[B]

And that's what he did right over here. The comeback route on the sidelines. Phenomenal play.

[A]

The. The play where he pointed Diggs to. To go up and he spun around Trey White and made an unbelievable catch like it was.

[B]

I mean, that is. We've seen Diggs be good. That was as well as he can play.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

I mean, he did everything right physically in this Detroit.

[A]

Diggs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When they had that game in Detroit in like 2020.

[B]

And I am big on Drake May after watching this game, he's going to be a guy you got to deal with. It did not phase him to be here at all. And it helped to have that outlet of a guy to get. This team doesn't run the ball particularly well. They don't have anybody else. Hunter Henry, the tight end, made a couple of plays, but it was Diggs and it was Diggs and it was Diggs. So Bill's fans, you just got it. You got to eat it. I went in the locker room, I talked to a bunch of the players and listen, it's right after the game, so it's hard, but you're asking them, what about Diggs? What'd you say? And he's like, I get the. He's a good player. You know, they get paid like nothing. And I think it's personal. Personal.

[C]

Well, it's like, you don't want to give him the satisfaction of being like, yeah, we got whooped.

[B]

They'll give it to him before the game. Like, yeah, we know Steph's a great player, but after the game. And I understand that, but it was brief and it was like, boom, boom. Even Sean. But he talked about the whole team thing. So in that sense, I know it doesn't mean anything in the big picture. It's a game. You're going to play them again. But for today in this game, that was his Diggs, like you said, he's loving every second and he deserves it the way he played.

[A]

I do want to finish two more points about the offense. James Cook, like, I think this was a spot. This was a game where Joe Brady out coached himself. I think he got away from what had.

[C]

Too cute.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Didn't. That's what Sean said.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You heard him say, yeah, you.

[A]

You have a jet sweep to Dawson Knox that results in a fumble. Because I don't blame Dawson Knox. When has he ever received a hand?

[B]

Dawson's probably thinking in the huddle, they can't be won, wanting to hand off to me on a chad sweep.

[A]

So that's a terrible play. Shaq Thompson forces a fumble right afterwards. Great play. And then Brady dials a flea flicker right out of it. None of. None of that made sense to me of this is what the Bills do. Like that to me, they got away from what has made them successful. And yeah, James Cook had 13 carries. He needed more in that game. The game was never that far out of reach where you can abandon the run. And James is always a guy. And we. He was again in this game, one shoestring tackle away from scoring a touchdown. I didn't think there was enough James Cook, and I'm sorry, we like the guy. Why is Ray Davis on the field and why is he getting handoffs? Because Mike said it best. Just spike the ball, take the 40 seconds to catch your breath and have James Cook back out there. I did not understand some of the play calling by Joe Brady in this one.

[B]

They had. They did score on that drive, but Davis comes in the game.

[C]

It took a lot of time, though.

[B]

I kept waiting and I kept watching for James Cook and he would come off the, you know, stand on the sidelines, like, waiting, and they're like, no. And they kept Ray in that. And then they hand off to Ray and eventually Cook didn't come back in. Now Josh ended up. They ended up taking it in for the touchdown or no, it was the Keon touchdown. But I don't get it. And 13 carries for him in this game is not enough. Not enough. So I'm with you.

[A]

It was never like they were down 21 or anything like that. Like, I just thought they abandoned it. I thought Brady got away from it. The bright spot in this one, Dalton Kincaid, career day for him. Goes over 100 yards for the first time in his career. He was a difference maker in this one. Josh was asked about Kincaid. He said he was winning one on one.

[C]

The mismatch.

[A]

He should teach the other guys because nobody else was winning one on one.

[C]

Well, I think it's important to note that when we've talked about Dalton Kincaid before, it's been like he's supposed to be this mismatch tonight. He was a mismatch and he has played pretty well this season. Again, you said the, the career year or career Bill Santo, but the career day for him, over 100 yards. He was someone that I thought made some big catches in some big moments and had the opportunity to get open. And, and Josh, it looked like Josh was trying to find him because he was the only one that was winning.

[B]

For Josh to say he won his one on ones.

[A]

Little shot, well, it's.

[B]

Kind of like, yeah, I threw him the ball because he got open. He didn't say that. I'm saying this. You're inferring he won his one on ones and I threw him the ball and he made plays.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That's what you have to do. He won his one on ones. Very few other players did defensively. Nobody really did. I will have to say shout out to my guy, Greg got a sack. He's at one and a half. He played well tonight.

[A]

He had like two really good series.

[C]

Yeah. In the beginning.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. So he was off to a good start.

[C]

You mentioned Shaq Thompson. I thought he had a nice couple of plays.

[B]

They're gonna need more out of him because Milano got hurt.

[C]

Again. I saw that. I was like, ah.

[B]

And we don't know again, you know, he was out played. Went out with the same injury.

[A]

Same injury.

[B]

So we'll see what it is. But not great.

[A]

Check Thompson, I thought, looks good. Where's Joey Bosat?

[B]

Like, I, I again, I thought AJ played pretty well.

[A]

AJ played with his hair on fire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Again, the, the problem is, and I think what's frustrating, if you're commenting in when the Bills lose these games, it's because wide receivers can't get open. You're still missing a second corner, a number two corner that You've been trying for. For three years and there hasn't been consistent pass rush. I will give the. I will give the Bills defense credit for as poor as the offense looked in the first half, they bowed up.

[B]

They kept him in the game.

[A]

They kept him in the game. And unfortunately, this was a spot where one, one drive too little because Drake marched them down the field again. It's an unreal play by. By May there at the end, but you got to be able to make those plays.

[B]

You get him to the ground and everything changes.

[C]

Well, I think sometimes people are like, why are you guys being so critical in weeks past when the Bills win? But it's like a lot of the times the reasons you lose is because your weaknesses get exposed to the point where another team takes advantage. And the lack of pass rush, the poor second corner position, things like that have been the reason in the past. We've been critical of this team and then today caught up with them.

[B]

Yeah. And they have survived these other games.

[C]

Yeah. And they're still 4 and 1.

[B]

While they all say, we'll learn, we'll learn. I think Sean's point is true this. He'll get everybody's attention. They were all talking about fundamentals because they know that's what they're going to hear. And some of it is the contain. Sometimes they get pressure on them. A guy like May isn't just a guy who can scramble and go. He can scramble and throw. He does a lot of what Josh Allen does. Not Josh Allen.

[A]

Yeah, young Josh.

[B]

But he. He looked a little too much like him for my liking.

[A]

And Josh looks a little bit too much like young Josh. Like, it just wasn't enough. Composure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just think that throw to Shakir was never open. And that was. They had thrown a bubble screen the play before another penalty. And then it just felt like a frustration. Like, I'm gonna.

[C]

11 penalties.

[A]

I'm gonna just throw it in there.

[B]

And it was a second down. Yeah. Yep. And you were in field goal range, so you took three points off the.

[C]

Board, which they lost by three points. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Cowardly field goal by the end of the first half by Mike Vrabel. I'll say that.

[B]

Yeah. That really surprised me.

[A]

I thought that was very cowardly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Spell it.

[A]

C O R. So hang on, hang on. C O W A R D I L Y. Coward, Ali.

[C]

Coward, Ali.

[B]

He started off bad, then he got it together and then he failed at the end. He was like, the Bills.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Summed it up.

[C]

What else?

[A]

I just.

[B]

No, that that field goal the Bills.

[A]

Need still need a corner, a pass rusher and a wide receiver. Like, this is crazy. This is crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Well, the field goal before half, it's tied. You're the Patriots coming in here trying to win. I thought the same thing, but it didn't faze his team at all. I thought it would be a little bit like not, not playing to win, but I thought they were going to send like a message we're going to go for it. And the Bills went right down and scored a touchdown. And then the Patriots went right down the field and scored a touchdown. So I give the Patriots credit. They were focused and played tough and their quarterback and wide receiver let them.

[C]

All right, so the Bills 4 1. They have the Falcons up next on Monday Night Football. What's up?

[A]

Just one message to Patriots fans. Enjoy this Diggs honeymoon phase while you have it. We've seen the end of these things as Vikings fans, but enjoy it because these are really, these are fun nights when Diggs is on your team and does this. It's a fun night.

[B]

Yes. Now the other thing I was going to say is I think May is a long term guy, but we were also here for when the Mac Jones experiment and the division was over and the Patriots had it won. Now I think this Patriots team may have a chance to be that, at least to be the contender with the Bills. But if you remember, they called the division back in their favor and then the Bills beat them again and destroyed them in the playoffs. Now that being said, this was impressive. Way more impressive than that Mac Jones win when he handed it off every play.

[C]

Oh my God. That was a win, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was the win game.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're fine. Bills fans. It's fine.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, you want to talk about other things, come see us Thursday night. We'll be in Buffalo. Riverworks. It's the opening night of the Sabres. Look at that. Sabres have less losses than the Bills. How about that? Trying to be positive. Be plus so everybody's lost now. The Eagles lost, the Bills lost. Everybody's lost.

[C]

I think that's your takeaway, is that it's hard.

[B]

It.

[C]

It is. I know it sounds cliche. I know it does tell us more, Sean. But. But the Bills were the last undefeated team.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

The Eagles lost earlier on Sunday. The Bills lose obviously on Sunday night. I think that while we always want perfection, that's also not a piece of how football works.

[B]

They take 16 and 1 and they'll be fine.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

River works Thursday night five to seven we'll be doing a meet and greet. It's literally one in the morning podcast, seven to eight. Just reminding people, by the way, they're not watching this until like Monday afternoon. Cuz you're waking up pissed off in the morning after you.

[C]

You need to like, let it settle.

[B]

Yes. And then you need to vent. Then you vent to your friend and then you come to your friends at Buffalo.

[C]

What is the biggest upset, like, point you think Bills fans have right now? What do you think is like the biggest thing in their mind when they wake up on Monday morning?

[A]

I think more help for Josh.

[B]

Nah, it's not a normal Josh game. He's not going to turn it over a couple of times. That's not what he does. It wasn't like he was the worst one. I think it pisses him off that Diggs came in here and won. And I think it pisses him off that the Patriots are a legit team.

[C]

And.

[B]

And there's a race in the division because it looked like it could be a boat race and instead it's 4 and 1 and 3 and 2. I think that's when you wake up going, okay, yeah, yeah. And they're in it and they deserve to be in it. I think that's the thing. But you never know where we are a month from now.

[A]

So their schedule is ass.

[B]

Yeah. It really is.

[A]

They're going to win several more games.

[C]

I do think tonight was a really good effort for them and I do think this is a young team for the Patriots, that it's going to be streaky.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like I. I mean they had five turnovers a couple weeks ago. I expect there to be those like blunder games popped in there too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I don't think Diggs. I don't expect Diggs to play like he did tonight.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Every week. I just don't. I know he had over 100 yards last week, but I just think that, yeah. These games.

[A]

He's the first Patriots wide receiver to have back to back 100 yard games since Julian Edelman.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

That tells you how Edelman's been in the media for like eight years.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's crazy. Okay. All right. Anything else?

[B]

No.

[A]

Game was like a wet fart.

[B]

It just was a bad.

[C]

We had to stay up so late too.

[B]

I know another.

[A]

And they had you. I still thought that rookie kicker could miss it. I was like, we're gonna go over.

[C]

I literally thought overtime too.

[B]

He drilled that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, oh, that was.

[B]

I would have liked to have seen him Put Prater out there to try a 93 yard field goal at the end.

[C]

Just let him run up credit.

[B]

He drilled that field goal. I was a little worried when the drive stalls like that. Yeah, we've seen that before.

[C]

Such a teeny man.

[B]

Yeah. It was not the most elegant kick. It sort of went.

[A]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

But it dropped straight through.

[A]

It was more of a nine iron and not a driver.

[B]

Can we end with this? I hated the uniforms. I know some of you guys liked them. And everybody wore white. I didn't like them. It didn't look like the Bills to me. I'm glad they're only wearing them one time. Make them all in one. Just put them. Put them away if you bought one. Cool.

[C]

I think it's cool. But I was personally not a huge fan. It looked very like USFL to me. I think the Bills are better than that.

[A]

I didn't mind them. I. I thought. I was impressed by the amount of white.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

No, I'm just saying a college thing that's. A college thing that is prepared long in advance, you know?

[C]

Should have known. Because of Penn State.

[B]

I said they looked like Penn State. They played like Penn State.

[A]

Yeah. But it was that first third down when everybody was waving the towel.

[B]

It was cool.

[A]

Yeah, no, it was cool. That was. That was a pretty cool episode.

[C]

It was just funny. Cuz it was hot.

[A]

Yeah. It was wild.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

All right, wrap it up. Yeah. All right. For Mike and Dan Riverworks, I'm Jenna. Come back Thursday. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We'll have plenty more coverage as the Bills get ready for the Falcons coming up on prime time.

[A]

Once again, I blame Giardi.

[C]

Yeah, blame Giardi. All right, bye, guys.