Top 10 BILLS players & STORYLINES as they break for TRAINING CAMP

Summary

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Episode Title: Top 10 BILLS players & STORYLINES as they break for TRAINING CAMP
Release Date: June 13, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Overview

This episode of Buffalo Plus focuses on the top ten Buffalo Bills players and corresponding storylines heading into summer break before training camp. Mike, Jenna, and Dan offer a comprehensive recap of minicamp, discuss key positions and players (with an emphasis on offensive playmakers), and highlight how injuries, accountability, and development will shape the Bills’ summer narrative. The tone is conversational, insightful, at times humorous, and rooted in insider knowledge from years covering the team.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Keon Coleman: Development and Expectations

• Player Focus: Keon Coleman, WR, entering his second year after an underwhelming rookie season (29 catches).
• Accountability and Growth: The crew notes a marked change in Coleman’s maturity and self-awareness this offseason.
  • Mike Catalana: “He was up front...he goes, ‘I look and I see this shit’s not good, and that this is a problem. I need to be better at this. I need to be better at that.’” [03:13]
  • Keon describes his film review process as scoring “plus or minus” — i.e., either he got open or didn’t.
  • Jenna Cottrell: “That is something that I think I was kind of waiting to see from Keon... that accountability factor.” [05:42]
• The History of WR Breakouts: Dan points out that star receivers usually flash early, and it’s rare for WRs to become stars after a slow rookie year (citing Devante Adams as an exception).
  • Dan Fetes: “Wide receivers feel like they’re either got it or they don’t.” [13:52]
• Expectations for Year Two: Hosts agree Coleman needs to take a big step forward with Josh Allen as his quarterback, perhaps not as “the dude,” but as a major contributor.
  • Mike Catalana: “To be better, I think he’s got to show it this year.” [12:31]

2. Wide Receiver Room Dynamics

• Depth & Versatility: Discussion on Elijah Moore, Josh Palmer, Tyrell Shavers, and the possibility of Keon Coleman shifting to big slot in packages depending on performance and matchups.
  • Mike Catalana: “If Elijah Moore can be an outside guy, it opens up different things.” [19:25]
• Impressions of Elijah Moore: Quick, catches well, but size is a concern; has flashed positively in minicamp. [17:04]
• Dalton Kincaid’s Role: Tight end Kincaid is poised for a third-year leap. Brandon Bean and the hosts note his added bulk and increased confidence after knee issues last season.
  • Dan Fetes: “...the expectations are high from Brandon Bean and Josh Allen and Joe Brady and everybody on a guy they took in the first round to make plays.” [25:01]
  • Kincaid’s production in the red zone needs to improve (just four TDs in his career).

3. Offensive Line: Center and Guard Situations

• Connor McGovern vs. Cedric Van Pran Granger:
  • McGovern is in his contract year; Van Pran Granger is considered as an emerging option at center.
  • Mike Catalana: “A wise person says, don’t listen to what they say. Pay attention to what they do.” [31:17]
  • Discussion about potential contracts, cap hits, and the strategy of moving younger and cheaper on the interior line.
  • The NFL salary cap “not being real” is humorously debated, referencing loopholes front offices use. [36:54]
  • Notable Quote: Dan Fetes: “I just don’t see the reason to move on from McGovern outside of the money.” [35:36]

4. Defensive Storylines: Safety, Cornerback, and Injuries

• Cole Bishop’s Absence at Minicamp:
  • Injury kept him sidelined; missing developmental reps is seen as a setback, especially at a position where Sean McDermott values trust.
  • Mike Catalana: “It’s time on task. It’s reps. They need to see it. Especially, you know, the way Sean McDermott feels about the safety position.” [41:23]
• Max Melton and Development:
  • Strained hamstring, should be ready for camp. Shows high-end talent, but coaches are pushing him to master positioning and assignments.
  • Mike Catalana: “They want that dude to start... they are coaching him tough.” [43:56]
• Tre’Davious White’s Return:
  • Tre’s field IQ and leadership are noted, but physical limitations post-injury linger as a concern.
  • Dan Fetes: “I really do think that mentally and intellectually he is still an all-pro player. I just don’t know if his body can react to the speed of some of these wide receivers.” [45:20]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Keon Coleman self-assessment:
  Keon Coleman: “No excuses get made for me for being young. It’s like, is he the plus or minus? He’s the good or is bad?” [07:10]

• Wide Receiver Breakout Theory:
  Dan Fetes: “Wide receivers feel like they’re either got it or they don’t.” [13:52]

• Kincaid’s Opportunity:
  Mike Catalana: “He has a chance to step in this year and go, I am the guy that Brandon [Bean] talked about. Look at me. And I know fans want this. They really want him to be good.” [24:39]

• On Player Comments and Offseason Optimism:
  Dan Fetes: “You have now shifted into sunshine rainbow, best shape of their life season.” [29:09]

• Salary Cap Banter:
  Dan Fetes: “Cap isn’t real. Had to get that in there.” [36:54]
  Mike Catalana: “The NFL realizes it. And now there’s this push to potentially make it real...” [36:56]

• Hosts’ Chemistry and Behind-the-Scenes:
  Discussion about their makeup routines for TV (lighthearted and self-effacing), cementing the podcast’s approachable, behind-the-curtain tone. [49:00-51:46]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Start of substantive content / Keon Coleman focus: [02:06]
• Coleman’s accountability, self-awareness discussion: [03:12-07:16]
• The WR “breakout” model and rookie expectations: [09:03-15:18]
• Elijah Moore & WR configuration options: [17:04-20:51]
• Dalton Kincaid’s projected role & red zone need: [23:45-28:21]
• Connor McGovern vs. Van Pran Granger at center: [30:47-36:14]
• Salary cap discussion and NFL loopholes: [36:54-39:17]
• Cole Bishop injury and importance of safety reps: [40:19-43:25]
• Max Melton and defensive coaching strategies: [43:27-44:29]
• Tre’Davious White’s status and mentorship: [45:20-47:14]
• Fun/behind-the-scenes makeup talk: [48:53-51:46]

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The Bills enter summer break with optimism but several pivotal questions regarding second-year growth (Keon Coleman), position battles (wide receiver, safety, center), and health (Cole Bishop, Max Melton).
• Leadership, self-accountability, and player adaptability in camp are seen as crucial for both individual and team success.
• The show is candid about offseason “hype” versus what translates when the pads come on and real competition begins.
• The chemistry between hosts, deep football knowledge, and behind-the-scenes stories help to both inform and entertain Bills fans eagerly awaiting training camp.

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Transcript

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Is this our 10th season covering the Bills? Where is next year?

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We. Whatever is Sean's ninth, so next year I think will be 10. We did one. We did Rex's last year.

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Yes. Okay.

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My 37th season covering the Bills.

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All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share this episode. We're going to talk about 10 players, 10 storylines, 10 guys as we head into the Bills summer break. Training camp will be in late July in Rochester.

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We're sitting on the correct size.

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Yeah.

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You had to address.

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I had to freaked everybody out.

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Podcast last video.

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And it was just accidental. Just like I was standing there and then you stood there like stands that.

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We have to be like, easy there. Come on now.

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First of all, just so you know, a little behind the scenes, I haven't moved. I've been sitting here the whole time, and Dan has been positioning Jenna in the right spot.

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I moved a little bit. It's okay. Yeah, it's all right.

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We're gonna get a revamped podcast studio.

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Yes.

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This off season.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So we're working on some things. Our main streaming site is down right now. We've had to work around this, but we wanted to make sure that we got a video out, so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Important stuff.

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And we can kind of recap a little bit about minicamp, all that stuff we're going to do. Credit to me. Could have a full podcast for you. So I want to start on the offensive side of the ball. Just, you know, a little more sizzle there than the stake. So let's start with a guy that we talked a lot about, and that is Keon Coleman. Entering his second season. He had the injury in his rookie season, and that's someone who a lot of fans, you saw a little bit of the success, but you're waiting to see it all kind of come together. And you were Able to. We all were able to talk to Keon a little bit about what this offseason did look like for him and how it kind of sets him up for this year.

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Yeah, I mean, he had 29 catches last year. Right. He was just getting himself going. It was not great. He had moments, but it wasn't great. And then after the season ended, he was on some podcasts and everything, and try not to make too much of it, but I didn't hear accountability in a sense of saying it wasn't great. I. It's tough in this league. I got to be better. And all those things that you want to hear out of a player. I heard that out of the player at camp this week.

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Minicamp.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. He was up front is like, they know when sometimes I said, what do you look for? He goes, I look and I see this shit's not good, and that this is a problem. I need to be better at this. I need to be better at that. I thought. I think that as a player, you come into the league with confidence. I got to show everybody how good I am. But then. Then you realize pretty quickly these other guys are good, too. And what you thought was going to be okay ends up maybe not being. And then recognizing that, working on it, coming back the next year, I think is important.

[A]

Well, we always like honesty, and sometimes when a player's confident, every player comes in confident. But sometimes when you don't see the results necessarily, you're like, why is this guy so confident? Like, again, 29 catches. He even said, like, he looked at a lot of the tape last year and it wasn't good enough. And, Mike, to your question, where he's like, how do you. When you look at the tape? Because he's like, him and his brother, he said, watched all the plays, they go back, and. And I love the honesty of him saying, you can't look at a play and go, well, I did this right or that right. He goes, it's a plus or a minus. Like, either I got open for Josh or I didn't. And I love that accountability. And that was part of the self awareness. We knew we've always done the personality of Keon, and it's great, but you wanted to see that translate to more success on the field at a consistent basis. And last year, everything. I don't know whether he was trying to be like, Joe Cool and like, oh, this isn't that big of a deal. Like, I got this. You know, my basketball traits are different than what I'm doing now. And all these things you started to see, especially at minicamp. And I'll say this. He's looked good in minicamp. Yeah, like. And the reports are. And people are excited about what Keon can be and the fact that he was in the weight room and all of those things. I never had any concerns about Keon last year during rookie minicamp, during OTAs, or during the mandatory minicamps. He looks the part. The part. A lot of guys look good right now. It's that next step when the pads come on and you get physical and you've heard, like, Sean McDermott talk about that, like, it's ramping up here. Then there's training camp, then there's padded practices at training camp, then there's the preseason. So, like, I thought Keon was. We talked about him all the time at training camp last year when the pads were on, hey, this guy looks. Looks the part. It's. I am holding back a little bit of my expectations until we really start to see him going up against pads again.

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The word you said or phrase, self awareness.

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Yeah.

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That is something that I think I was kind of waiting to see from Keon after this rookie season, that he had the overall. The fact that it wasn't quite good enough. You talk about the injuries and all that stuff, but I wanted to see that accountability factor. And Bean said on Thursday how he talked about Keon and just like, they were critical of his. Some of his performances and how he accepted that, how he was willing to hear that. And that, to me, is a huge positive, because if a guy can be coached hard, that is important when you get to this level, it is important to know, okay, this wasn't good enough, and I need to do XYZ better and to have the ability to say, I am a good player, but there are things I need to work at and understand the fact that there are guys that know a lot about football and know that what you're doing isn't quite up to par. But, Mike, I will say, and I loved that you asked this question just about his age, because Brandon Bean has talked about, hey, Keon is young. He's football young. You know, didn't get a ton of playing time at Michigan State and all this stuff, but I loved that you asked Keon about the fact that he is now just turning 22.

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So we. We joked about it. You know, he's young. He's young. So I was like, hey, you know, Brandon calls you young. What do you think about that in. In relation to what you've Done. And here's what he had to say.

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I mean, I feel like anybody else.

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The truth of the matter is, technically I am young coming into my second year. But I mean, it's kind of. We all on the same playing field at this point. No excuses get made for me for being young. It's like, is he the plus or minus? He's the good or is bad?

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Given your self awareness.

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That's self awareness too. I mean, we've talked about insane. Like when Josh Allen's back to throw in the third quarter of the game against the Dolphins, he doesn't care that you're 22 years old, you're his ex wide receiver. Wherever you're doing in that play, if he's throwing you the ball, he expects you to catch it and make a play. Right. This is the way it goes. So I'm glad he said that. Basically, like, nobody cares this. We're all in the same place. You're an NFL player. So he is football young. A little bit, yes. And, and I think, you know, I think Joe Brady has said to people like, you know, he's. Because he didn't play as much at Michigan State and, and then Florida State's offense was what it is, and then he's thrown out there. That's fine. I understand that point. But you're giving him very meaningful snaps in a game and they'll, they'll need more.

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In honor of Keon saying a plus or minus coming out of mandatory camp and what you've seen so far, would you give him a plus or minus with how he's handled the off season?

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I would say if you're giving a plus or minus, I would definitely say plus.

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I agree.

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I would say a plus as well.

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Yeah. And it wasn't because he was in the gym lifting them weights.

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It.

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It's because I always thought his size worked out. I. I always thought he looked the part of being a NFL wide receiver beyond his age where you're like, this guy's a grown man. My one fear is, Mike, you talk about football young, and we were kind of talking about this in the drive up to, you know, minicamp the last few days. Unlike other positions, it doesn't feel like wide receivers necessarily progress into being the top tier.

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Pause for just a second. Dan has been all over research on this subject.

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I've been workshopping this. Okay. And my point is, is that when you see linebackers come into league and you're like, hey, he's going to get better and he's going to get better and they may come into league and be a starter. Then they become pretty good. Then they become a Pro Bowler, then they become an all Pro quarterbacks. The second year jump, the third year jump. Some players have it as a fourth year or in a new system, all of those things. Wide receiver doesn't really history doesn't show that all of a sudden it clicks for guys like I looked at the top tier wide receivers, the top wide receiver, guys from the last, just last year, usually a rookie wide receiver, if they're the dude, they come in and make an instant impact. It's not like they developed into being the star. And if like comment and subscribe in and comment like what you if you have a guy in mind that has developed into one, the only one going back and it was 2014 when he was drafted. Devonte Adams had four years of mediocre football and then turned into a star his fifth year. It took him five years to catch a thousand yards. But guys like Jamar Chase, you instantly knew he was a guy. Justin Jefferson, Brian Thomas, Drake London Amon Ross St. Brown. His first year he caught 900 yards. Like Jerry Judy, didn't really do much in Denver, had some success last year. Malik Neighbors, you can talk about some of these guys being in bad quarterback situations and bad offenses. If you're a good wide receiver, you come in and make an impact.

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Garrett Wilson did with a crap that he had with the Jets. And to Dan's point about these players, you look at them, some were drafted later. Now we know Keon ended up in the second round early second round. No, what I'm saying is even like Justin Jefferson who became this guy was drafted at what, 23, whatever it was. So they're not like Malik Neighbors was a higher pick, but with bad quarterback play too. It's like the talent is there and they, they're ready to.

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Right. And my point is, is that like if they're not a guy early, they don't usually develop into the guy later. Now again, I was thinking about Khalil Shakir who has made good progression into his development where you're like, hey, he's a good guy. But I'm not talking about a jump from the 40th best receiver to the 30th, which is probably what Shakir has done. He is developed into that spot. But like a guy like lad McConkey. The Chargers know they have a dude.

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Yeah.

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The Bills are hoping that Keon can be one of the rare wide receivers. And again comment in like if there's a Guy that you don't think like A.J. brown, Zay Flowers. Nico Collins is a rare exception too because he took two years of not really doing much. He was another guy that was football young coming out of Michigan and then kind of blew up. But like Mike Evans, Instant Impact, DK Metcalf, first years, they're catching 50 to 60 passes, seven plus touchdowns and having 600, 700 yards.

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Like Janet, what I would say to you on this with Keon is even if the expectations aren't to be the dude, like to be a top, top wide receiver, to be better, I think he's got to show it this year. I think this second year in the system, you give him. I will give him a little of this. I'm saying is there are players who progress. He was a second round pick. They progress in the second year and they become really good, dependable, making plays. Maybe they're never going to be the.

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That's fine. I get that too.

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Right. But. But you're going to show it. And I think that's what they're hoping for this year.

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Yeah, you could use the rookie, acclimating, injuries, all that stuff. But year two in the same offense. What have you done with Josh Allen as your quarterback? With Josh Allen as your quarterback. Yeah. This is where the rubber meets the road a little bit.

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Devonte Smith, Jordan Addison, guys that came in and you were like this guy's. They got one.

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Yeah.

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Like the Bills are hoping. And again if like T. Higgins first year he had 50 catches, 800 yards and seven touchdowns. I think if you're a Bills fan right now, would you sign up for 50 catches, 750 yards and seven touchdowns from Keon? I think you'd sign up for it.

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Yeah.

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Would you rank 59 catches in 638 yards in a rookie season? Good.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Who's that?

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Xavier worthy.

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Yeah. I'm just curious, who's he play for?

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Kind of stepped in that one didn't. That was a great. Guess who this player is.

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Janet. Coming up with the stats too. We're getting all the stats.

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Here's a guy like, like Quinton Johnson.

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Oh man, I loved him like he.

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Was a guy where you were like first year. It's like not really it. And they, they worked around him like. Because they don't know what exactly it is.

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Waddle like guys that came, Johnson, they may know what they got.

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Yeah.

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And it's not good.

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Not good.

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So that, that, that's my point is I look at it and I go, that's the one. Christian Benford has made steady increases to being a top 10 corner and has developed a lot of positions. They develop. It feels like to me, maybe I'm wrong. I've workshopped this a lot over the last two days. And I sit there and I go, wide receivers feel like they're either got it or they don't. And now again, I'm not even considering draft statuses. But like when the, When Puka Nakua came out and had his first few games, you're like, rams got a guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, I'm not, I'm not even basing it off the where they're drafted. I'm saying, like, they make instant impact into the league. It seems like wide receiver is the one position that you can be young and still impact the game with your talent.

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I would say that, that Shakir's progression has been pretty substantial from where he was drafted. Not doing as much, getting better and now not superstar level. But we paid him and he is the number one on this team right now. And I think his numbers can go up.

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52 catches, 720 yards.

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Who's that?

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Stefan Diggs, rookie year, fifth round pick.

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Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

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Like, that's pretty good for a fifth.

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Yeah, no, I, Yeah, it kind of proves your point.

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And again, there are so many wide receivers. I also get it. Like, there's so many wide receivers that get taken in the first round and you're like, nope.

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Like, and they usually end up nopes. Right?

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Yeah. So it's like, it's almost like the. Where with quarterbacks, you wait until everything's out. Like, wait, don't. Don't close the book on this guy. It feels like with wide receivers like Elijah Moore, when people are like, he was a second round pick, you know, like they could find something. Well, maybe, but. But you're throwing stuff at the wall and hoping to find.

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Right.

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Something that historically isn't there.

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Yeah. Well, all those things we said about Keon will play to his advantage this year. Now the question is taking that onto the field and then maybe adjusting the way they get him the ball. They constantly kept thinking down the field, down the field. I think he's. I think maybe Joe Brady adjusts this year and he's getting the ball quicker within the first 10 yards, not down the field. It wasn't good. The numbers were terrible. He's better with the ball in his hands than waiting for the ball to get to him, if that makes sense.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, I'm the one who said, let's do 10 players, and we went kind of long on Keon, but we like talking about Keon.

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That was why I was like, yeah, this is. If we go this long, I got. I don't got takes on everybody like this.

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Well, you probably do.

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Yeah. Well, you mentioned Elijah Moore. I think that's a good person to bring up. Obviously, the Bill signed him this past off season, and I will say he has had flashes at mandatory camp, where you see some of that speed, you see some of the agility, footwork, and that's like, oh, who's. Oh, that's Elijah Moore. Okay. Like, let's see what he can do. But when you throw on the pads and all that stuff, that obviously changes the equation. But he is someone who has made an impression in a positive way over this offseason.

[C]

You've said you notice him on the field for many reasons. He's quick. He's been catching everything thrown his way. He is small.

[B]

He's teeny.

[C]

He is small. Like, you see them line up and you're like, I'm always amazed that guys that size can play in the NFL.

[A]

It's insane.

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Yeah, it is nuts, right? I mean, they're out there. I mean, it's physical marvel to play in this game just because of what your body goes through. Elijah Moore is a smaller player, but he does move and he's. If he wanted to show everybody. I know I'm probably fifth in the breakdown of wide receivers. Yeah. His job this year is obviously to be on the team, which I think he's got a very good chance also to say snaps for me, real snaps for me, that I get an opportunity. And I like the way he's looked.

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At if he could play more outside. And again, I know we'll talk about Kincaid in a minute, but like, we talked with Matt Harmon from the reception perception, like, if Keon's maybe out of position, if he could be a puka and be a big slot, somebody like that, and would that. If they do that, they haven't. We've never seen it in practice. They've never really moved Keon inside all that much because they came out right away when he was drafted and said, he's an outside guy, he's going to be an outside guy. But maybe if Elijah Moore can provide something on the outside, be opposite of Josh Palmer on the other outside, could there be 10 personnel where you can then put Shakir and Coleman in the slots? I think that could be dynamic. I think that would free up Keon and give him a little Bit more room for separation. That would also depend on if what Elijah Moore shows brings and earns those opportunities. I think the everybody eats is great. And there's. When you have that mindset going in and earning your snaps and knowing every position, it does give guys like Mac Hollins did last year of opening up our open up. I was cooking too.

[C]

Saw that research you did. It just is. It's. It's like the computer was just frozen there for a second.

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Opening up control, alt, delete, like, found the open. Something about opening up opportunities for more guys. If Elijah Moore can be an outside.

[C]

Guy, it opens up different things. We know Josh Palmer, too. You bring him in. And your point about Mac is that I don't think Mack was guaranteed any snaps at wide receiver. Like, they're going to have him out there. He can block, like, whatever. And here he is running down the field. No, not crazy numbers, but impactful plays that he made. So let's see. And honestly, I still think there's a world. It's a small percentage of the time. I still think Shakir can line up on the outside, too, depending on what else you do. So I think it. It gets to the point where I do think if Joe Brady, along with the whole staff says, you know what, we're going to give Keon more of these opportunities, they can create a package there, depending on the game, depending on the matchup. So. And I mentioned, like, Josh Palmer, one of those guys. Look, he does look the part. He's very smooth running on the field, and we can say that all we want. He has been a good player in this league. Chargers, I heard some people say, you know, the Chargers moved off of him, which is true, but they've had a change in direction and what they're doing, they brought in a new coaching staff. Quentin Johnson's been a nothing there. So sometimes a guy falls through the cracks a little bit.

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Yeah.

[C]

And he has shown ability. But they're like, okay, we're moving on. They brought in McConkey. It's a different team now. But he does. He does have that. He does have a smoothness to the way he runs. Definitely at the moment.

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Yeah.

[C]

And then, you know, seven on seven.

[B]

Can see him and Josh building a rapport, too. There are a couple times where I'm like, oh, there's number five. Yeah, there's number five, everybody.

[A]

I mean, if you're a guy, you should look good in shorts and a T shirt.

[B]

Yeah, you are correct. But some of the. Some of the things sometimes guys don't.

[C]

Where they don't catch the ball.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Even in those spots.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we saw a couple drops, and then, like. Like, to me, not from Josh Palmer.

[A]

But I'm not asking people to be perfect, but, like, this is like the layup line of an NBA game. I. You should make all your buckets.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

Yeah.

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But we can only judge them on what we see right now, 100%.

[A]

But even, like Sean has said, like, tempered expectations at this point of the season where it's like, yes, hey, Spencer Hawes has caught some passes, and it's.

[B]

Like, two things can be true.

[A]

Yeah. I'd be more concerned. Like, I've always said, I'd be more concerned if they're. If they're. They. If Elijah Moore and Josh Palmer didn't look good.

[C]

So here's a.

[A]

Here's a guy mean.

[C]

Here's a guy just mean that a lot of you like, and you saw one flash of him last year, and he was a big darling at camp. Is Tyrell Shavers. And he's running around down the sidelines, and Josh says, I'm going to you. Throws it up. Great ball. And the best corner on the team breaks it up.

[A]

Yep. Benford.

[C]

But if you're Tyrell Shavers, you gotta make that play because you want to say, I'm here.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Like, I can make a play. And it didn't happen for a guy like him to have. Get this next six weeks where Sean McDermott's on his mind. He's going, damn it. Shavers went up and got that. Took it away from Christian Benford. Would have been cool to see. For guys like him, you got to make impressions at any moment. You know, other players, they're not as.

[A]

Worried about Jo Andreessen making play.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like those fringe guys. Even the Michael Hoyts of the team, where it's like he said, like, this is not mandatory or this isn't volunteering.

[C]

Was mandatory for him.

[A]

I was like, I need to make my impact now. Like it is. I know that Babbage jokes around that everybody's job is up for. You know, is up for grabs, but there are some guys that are up for grabs at the 52nd, 51st 50th spot in the roster that need all of these reps more than, say, Keon Kincaid. Shakir.

[C]

Yes. And a good example, like, Shakir fell going ball, tipped off his hands. Trey White picked it off and went for a touchdown. They aren't worried about Shakir.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, right. In that case, that's the kind of Thing when I say in these moments, like when that guy wants to flash the guy who's not in the top five of receivers.

[A]

Agreed.

[C]

Whether it's Virgil or any of those players, when they're on the field, make a play.

[A]

Let's name more wide receivers.

[C]

Yes. There's a lot of them.

[A]

There's a lot.

[B]

A lot of them. Let's name another pass. Catcher Dalton Kincaid apparently had.

[A]

We were not at OTAs for the final day. We're here recording this podcast. Apparently had a really good day going off of the reports that we saw.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I'm worried about that with him, like looking in these settings, too.

[B]

That's one of those guys. Yeah. That you. He should look good.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

At Fisher last year, we're sitting there watching him. He's like, routes, catch, boom, everything. And. But I do feel like this, he has an opportunity this year to, I won't say prove a lot of people wrong. It's more prove a lot of people right. Because so many people in his corner that are like, I think he's going to be this guy. And if Josh threw the ball better to him and they made plays and if the guys around him, like, it's a lot of factors that they've put around him.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

That have held him back, injuries. They've talked about all those things. He has a chance to step in this year and go, I am the guy that Brandon being talked about. Look at me. Yeah. And I know fans want this. They really want him to be good. He's a first round draft pick. Right. But it's year three now.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And the expectations, you know, Bobby Babbage can say all he wants that other guys have, Have. Need to have their expectations higher than the coaches. Believe me, the expectations are high from Brandon Bean and Josh Allen and Joe Brady and everybody on a guy they took in the first round to make plays. And so he's got to be better. Can the other factors be better for him? Can Josh, the MVP of the league, be better for him? Yes, I guess he can. But he's got to be good.

[B]

Bean talked about in his press conference how he's seen Dalton's. Kincaid's. Dalton Kincaid's confidence grow in his knee, especially over these last five to six weeks. He says he believes he's also worked his tail off and added bulk.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Bean also said he wishes he walked back some of his earlier comments in the off season. I think I was, quote, a little over critical. Could have probably done A better job about Concade and the struggles he had in the injury last season. So there's that.

[C]

I, I, I, I understand the idea of being publicly supportive of a player. Yeah, I don't mind that as long as privately, it's like, we need this.

[B]

Oh, you hate it.

[C]

I.

[A]

Was that. A drunk mind tells a sober heart. Like, maybe it was like, he was emotional.

[C]

That's not accurate, is it?

[B]

No, I, I think I know what you're trying to say. What is it?

[A]

Drunk mind tells us. Sober heart.

[C]

Is that true? I'm drunk mind.

[B]

Sober heart is a song. Drunk mind speaks sober thoughts.

[A]

Okay, like, obviously it's emotional. I was this close. But it's the thought of, like, obviously when those, that press conference after the.

[B]

Chiefs game was drunk.

[A]

No, no, I'm saying it's like being even talked about.

[B]

So hot in here. Sorry.

[A]

Bean even talked about it. Like, it's so hard to evaluate when we're at that end of the season press conference after the Chiefs game. And he's even saying, like, I can't even make any decisions right now. Like, I'm, it's still so fresh, like, suppressing it. That was when he said those comments and Sean kind of doubled down at the combine and Bean was the one about both Keon and Kincaid that he started to walk back those comments. So maybe it was a little bit of, again, you're right there. Just like when I'm trying to say a sentence, I'm right there. So the Bills were that close. And again, what would the perception be if he catches that pass? And again, doesn't take away from the good and the bad. It's just your lasting memory right now of Dalton Kincaid is that Chiefs dropped.

[C]

You should hope that his knee impacted him that much and that he's healthy this year, because now we will see, hopefully a fully healthy Dalton Kincaid.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

As fully healthy as any NFL player is. I mean, they get beaten up and then we see, can he be that player? Can he be that player that dictates things they want to do on offense? And like, you talked about moving other players. No, he's a priority then in your offense because he's healthy and he's making plays and he's getting to the end zone. I mean, I've heard people talk about, no, you need him to be better in the red zone and making plays.

[A]

He's got four touchdowns in his career.

[C]

And I heard somebody, media person talking about, well, where's he taking those touchdowns away if he makes other plays? Josh Allen and James Cook James Cook had an absurd amount of touchdowns last year and. And Josh gets beaten. The hell it would be nice if Josh can just chuck the ball to his tight end from 10 yards out on second and goal at the 10. Yeah. To get the score. Like those are plays when initially he was compared to the guy in Kansas City at least as the hope he can be this mismatch guy. That guy finds more five yard touchdowns than anybody.

[A]

Yeah. And my point going back to kind of beans comments like at the end of. At the end of a season, you are critical. You're looking back at what went wrong.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You have now shifted into sunshine rainbow, best shape of their life season. So obviously, I mean, we haven't heard one slightly negative comment about anybody that they've asked.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

I mean, name a player. They're doing all the right things. They're constantly in the weight room. They're doing. They're studying the playbook. They look great. So like, I guess I do take a little bit of these comments with a. With a grain of salt knowing like, yes, we like you can say those comments at the end of a season because you're going to make changes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now because you're drunk and now you. Where you are is like this is. This is the team they're bringing to camp.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't see them crapping over any of their players right now.

[B]

Yeah. This is about building them up.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Crapping on.

[B]

Stop it. That is.

[A]

I said crapping over, did I?

[C]

Yeah, all of it was bad.

[B]

Crapping over.

[A]

People come to the Buffalo Plus YouTube, the number one sports podcast in New York State.

[C]

Yeah. How about that?

[A]

No, we got broadcasters association award.

[B]

Not number one sportscast.

[A]

Does that mean we're number one?

[C]

We're number one.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

My Twitter bio.

[B]

Win. Win an award for best.

[C]

Best podcast.

[B]

Best podcast in for according to the New York State Broadcasters Association.

[C]

Like Dan said, we're the greatest day.

[B]

Taking some liberties with that. Okay, next.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

This to me is. I don't know if Dan thinks this is as interesting as we do, Mike, but Connor McGovern.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of the center situation. Cedric van Pran Granger like nailed it. Just with what they did with Mitch Morris, obviously. Connor McGovern. Damn it. I got too cocky. McGovern shifted into that spot.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And kind of. What do you see out of that position?

[C]

So a wise person says, don't listen to what they say. Pay attention to what they do. Right.

[A]

Men.

[C]

They have not done his contract yet. He's going into the final year. He's your Starting center, all impressions, they've been pleased with his play. Now that doesn't mean before camp or sometime now, all of a sudden you get the Connor McGovern redone deal. He's there a long time. He's been out of these minicamps with minor injury. So Cedric Van Pran Granger has been playing in that spot. The thing about these offensive linemen, a guy like that, we never see him play. He's in the New England game when they were trying to lose like. And so you get some snaps but like you don't see him. This is not like D linemen where you rotate a bunch of guys and they all get snaps and they can flash. Cedric can't flash in a game. He doesn't play in the games. Those starters play 96% of the time. But they drafted him out of Georgia. Couple years in the league. There is a path there that teams would do this. Draft the guy, let him develop, move him into the spot. He has come back bigger, stronger, more bulk, a little more explosiveness.

[B]

He just has Olaf from.

[C]

But I has it.

[A]

This guy's weaker. He's lazier than ever before.

[C]

So let me ask you to this.

[A]

Guy, you want to be here.

[C]

You have also Edwards at Guard and McGovern both in the final year of their contract. They don't really have guys that appear to be ready to step in on the interior of the offensive line other than Van Fran Granger. I was close. If the season starts and there's no redone deals, do you think that's in their mind for next year to move on from McGovern?

[B]

I mean, I would say yes, only because they did it with Mitch Morris.

[A]

It's a different situation. Mitch was older, concussions.

[C]

You're right.

[B]

That is. But to me it's doesn't mean that they can't do it.

[C]

The difference too is McGovern. His contract ends.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

So he would become a free agent. They may love him. Like I said, not in the building. But you're looking and going okay, this guy is there and he's getting some opportunity and I think he's going to get opportunity at camp. They want to see how he looks. They have to. I mean you drafted him at Georgia, played big time football.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

With the hope that he could develop into the guy that you move into there. Which is also goes into the whole James Cook thing. In terms of where they allocate their money. They're going to go younger and cheaper on the interior, the offensive line. They may have more money to Spend.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I think it plays into it that.

[B]

Yeah, no, I could totally see how that would be the case.

[C]

They have a really good offensive line but really talking about two guys in the final year of a deal and look on the right guard and that dude's going to get paid.

[B]

Yeah. Spencer Brown.

[C]

Because you got both.

[A]

No, it's Cyrus.

[C]

Cyrus.

[B]

Oh, sorry. Sorry. Oh Spencer.

[A]

Oh, Cyrus Torrance.

[C]

But the idea of his contract and he still has time but his contract's going to be big. Yeah. And so you have to allocate money here a little bit. I'm just interested to see. I really want to see Van Pran Granger play more. I'm going to see a little bit of it so we see what. What we're looking at in camp when they're in pads. At least we'll get a better idea.

[B]

Yeah. Definitely a better kind of feel for what it could look like. You push back.

[A]

It was such a big deal when they moved on from Mitch and because of that center quarterback relationship. You know you talk about Jeff Saturday and Peyton Manning and like these guys like Brady and it was Andrews for a while.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like they. I almost think of them as like the combo and so like to think about him having three different centers in three to four years isn't something I would think they would want to do. Cedric Van Pran Granger I think would be a plan B, Plan C. But I think they want to definitely try and get. I just don't see the reason to move on from a govern outside of the money.

[C]

I'm saying we may very well see a multi year deal at least if you would have asked me because he's 26.

[A]

Seven.

[B]

Who governor.

[A]

Remember we did this. Nailed it.

[C]

Yeah. And so that may be.

[B]

Yeah. And I thought he was like 31.

[C]

It is very.

[A]

It's the mustache.

[C]

Interesting to me. They looked at guys to resign going into the final years of their deals.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I never really heard him mentioned in that group. I know there were other guys that they drafted so they looked at it a little differently. But he was going in the final year as a key guy.

[A]

Can you look that up? He signed a decent contract.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It was like three years, 24 million.

[C]

His cap hit this year was like three something. It may have some void years afterward. Dead years afterward.

[A]

I'm just wondering if that's. Could be you. They talk about like redoing deals like is that a piggy bank that you hit? Could you lower the cap number this year?

[B]

Cap hit this year is not 9. Million 385.

[A]

Okay, so that might be one of the ones where you're saying when we need to we hit the button and move money down the line to add X or we need this.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And by the way, with Cedric and I'll just skip the last seller.

[A]

Cap isn't real. How to get that in there?

[C]

Oh, very quickly. When people give us a hard time about salary caps not real. The NFL realizes it. And now there's this push to potentially make it real where you take away all these little things that bean and how and all these other guys do to push the money down the road. Now the league's like these cheap ass teams like the Bengals don't do it. That's not fair. So we need to change the rules and make the cap real.

[A]

Yeah. They're trying to take all the loopholes out that we. That makes it not real. To try and turn it real. They, they like comment and subscribe.

[C]

Yes. They have seen it.

[A]

They're like, Dan's figured it out. So screwed.

[C]

We needed the NFL to confirm what we've been saying. They're like, damn it, Buffalo. Plus, you got us. We're going to make the cap real and we're going to help the Bengals because they're stupid and we're going to hurt the Bills and the Eagles and the chief Browns and all these Chiefs don't do it as much. Oddly, they don't do it as much with the contracts.

[A]

And remember we talked to an NFL gm?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

In Indy.

[C]

He heard us.

[A]

He heard us.

[C]

He must have gone to the league, said these guys in Buffalo, they're on to Buffalo. Plus they got it figured out.

[A]

And I said to him, dude, that he's not the first NFL gm. I've said it to face to face that the salary cap isn't real. And he didn't call me an idiot.

[C]

Oh, he didn't?

[B]

Well, he didn't call you an idiot.

[C]

He might have after he left.

[A]

Yeah, that guy was wasted. He was talking about the salary cap being not real.

[B]

Okay. Conor McGovern signed a three year deal for 22 over 22 million. It would be a cap hit this season of 9.35 million. A dead cap hit of 8.67 million.

[C]

Yeah. So they could redo him lower this year's cap. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I just wanted to make three year.

[A]

Deal sounds very plausible at his age. At his age to get to 30.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you could.

[C]

My point on Cedric was he's not. Not like he's some first round draft pick that you have to get on the field.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

If he never ends up being that, maybe they look at him at guard next year.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Depending on what happens.

[A]

You know, Andrews is 33, and he's in the.

[C]

He's in the final year of his deal.

[B]

Do you want me to look that up?

[C]

Edwards. Andrews. I've said that before, too. Yes.

[B]

Oh, I don't know how to spell Edwards.

[A]

I got it. I got it. I'm gonna beat you. He's 28.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He was born in 1997.

[A]

That makes me feel super old.

[C]

Oh, shut up, please. 1997. 1997. I had already been covering the Bills for 10 years. Wow. When he was born.

[B]

Is this our 10th season covering the Bills, or is next year we.

[A]

Whatever is Sean's ninth, so next year, I think, will be 10. We did one. We did Rex's last year.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[C]

My 37th season covering the Bills.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I've seen some.

[A]

Maybe that's the open.

[B]

That is the open. Okay, let's go to the defense.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Cole Bishop.

[A]

You're like Keon watching the tape.

[C]

Some.

[B]

Okay. Cole Bishop. Dan, your thoughts?

[A]

Not good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I mean that in the sense of. It is not good that he is not on the field. We talk about, like, not overreacting to good things in shorts and a T shirt.

[B]

Let me set this up. So at mandatory camp, Cole Bishop was not. He was working with the trainers off to the side because of an injury. Now, it is important to note that Brandon Bean said all the guys at camp that had. Or at minicamp that had these injuries, they are all expected to be fine for training camp that starts at the end of July.

[A]

Right. But they talked about how much it hurt his development last year, missing time at training camp. This is a time when he could have come in and gotten all of those reps during these three days of minicamp, and you're not looking at it going, what's this guy? Stats? And how many tackles would this guy have made? Like, when they hand the ball off, like, nobody's in pads. Linemen are just. You're kind of just wanting to show the coaches that you know where to be and what your positioning is. It's not if you make the play or not. It's the fact that they know where you are. And the fact that he's not out there isn't good.

[C]

No, it's. It's time on task. It's reps. They need to say it. Especially, you know, the way Sean McDermott feels about the Safety position. He loves that position. He has to trust the player. Right. Demar missing snaps. Demar knows his defense. You may not love everything demar does. Demar knows the defense. He will be out there. Derek Forest, the guy they got from the Washington Commanders, has had a lot of snaps in this league. He'll figure it out. Like, he was out there a lot because we get to see him a lot because, you know, the other safeties were out. I think it's so important for Cole to be on the field.

[A]

Think about Mike Edwards last year. Missed a lot of time at training camp. Never got on the roster.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like, never saw action. So, like, that's where it. It's. It sucks for Cole. This was like, we sit there and it's like you could find arrows up for a bunch of guys after this minicamp and go, keon looked good. Ray Davis had some burst. This guy was that. And then you're sitting there and you're like, you wanted to be able to put arrows up next to Cole Bishop's name and to make you feel a little bit better, and you weren't able to because you just don't know where he is. And again, it's. I don't even know if they even said what the injury was, but it's just. Again, it's these little nagging things that have. Keeping him off the field sucks.

[B]

We're going to go. And this is my interpretation. I don't know what this is right or not, but speculation wise, we're going to keep it hockey and say lower body injury.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's kind of what I assessed watching him with the trainers. But again, that is speculation. Yeah.

[A]

Because I asked my. My one friend, Carl Jones, works in Buffalo, like, played college football, and I'm.

[C]

Like, we'd love to have you on the pod car.

[A]

And I'm sitting there and I go, what from playing at Syracuse Division 1 football? Like, when you guys are not in pads? Like, so much of football is the physicality. Sean talks about the noise and the contact.

[B]

Like, so Friction.

[A]

Yeah. So it's so hard to, like, make plays when you can't really make the play. And Carl's like, all coaches want to see in the tape that you review is, are you in the right position? Are you getting out leveraged? Are you standing in the right spot? Like, all of that stuff, and Cole's not getting that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that sucks.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's true. Max Hairston, another guy I want to talk about, had a slight hamstring strain, according to Brandon Bean. He should be ready to go for treat. Why are you laughing?

[C]

He say like, hamstring area. He kind of said it like that.

[A]

I was like, he had a sleeve on his entire leg.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you should be ready to go buy training camps.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, you don't want to see your first pick doing that or have that happen.

[C]

But it is the way I was watching the coaches coach a die and the rest of them on him. They want that dude to start. Like, I know he's the number one pick. It's easy to say that. But they are coaching him tough.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Like, they are. They want to see all this and they being talked about. He's got all this speed and all to Jenna's point being out there, he's like, he's got to know where he is to use that speed and that ability. But he does have that speed and ability. You see it on the field.

[B]

He is more talented.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Can he be in the right spot to use it?

[C]

And that's where it's good. This break, he got a couple of days in. It was towards the end of the second day. And then the third day is fine. And then he's got this time to get himself healthy to be ready to go when camp starts because that'll be huge for them.

[B]

And just off of that, real quick, Trey White.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So Trey White is the opposite in my mind of like, kind of like Max is right now where it's like, you see Max having to think, but then his body and ability and speed can adjust to it and make up for it. Trey is a guy that I watched several reps of him and I'm going, he just gets it. The way that he's passing off wide receivers that are crossing, the way that he's seemingly. At times it feels like he knows the route, the rut the wide receiver is running.

[C]

He probably does.

[A]

And then the pass gets completed and you're like, trey, you're right there. Like. And again, I'm not. Not making the player breaking the ball up like Benford did on the Shavers play isn't the big deal right now in June, but you better make that play in October. Like, that's where I wonder where Trey is. Because I really do think that mentally and intellectually he is still an all pro player. I just don't know if his body can react to the speed of some of these wide receivers.

[C]

And Janet, I was going to say every intangible favors Trey White, especially in Orchard park, because he knows the defense. They know him all Those things are positive. If Trey was on another roster, let's. I know he was on two teams last year. Just say out of the blue, he was with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know. It doesn't really matter.

[B]

Looks so weird.

[C]

It would be. Is this guy making the roster?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Because he's been a really good player, and now he played on two teams, wasn't. You know, he's one of the four corners. And now he's out there in Buffalo. You just. It just feels better to see him as this.

[B]

Feels right, but it does.

[A]

But had to pick six.

[C]

He did. That was fun, and it was awesome. Just celebrate. It was so good.

[A]

You sprayed water all over.

[B]

Savoring it all.

[C]

He is. I hope when camp comes, like I asked Sean about the competitiveness with Trey, I kind of wanted to hear Sean say, don't kid yourself. This guy is still out there to play like that. He didn't say it. Maybe he didn't need to say it. Yeah. Because I want to see Trey go, I'm going to help Max every way I can, but my ass is going to be on the field because I can still play in this league. Yeah. I hope that's the case. I hope when we get to camp, he's cutting loose and it's like, oh.

[A]

He'S better moved from the injury in the last, you know, the two previous seasons that, like, there's still life left.

[C]

In those, even if it's just a mix of snaps with Harrison or a few games to get his feet wet. And then eventually Hairston takes over and Trey is right there with him. Be awesome if he can't do it and Max is starting because of that. Yeah, that wouldn't be great.

[A]

Tray White will take first team. The first. First team rep at defense at Fischer.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, they will make Max earn, earn.

[C]

Earn it, no doubt.

[B]

1,000%.

[A]

And Sean will play a younger guy.

[C]

He pushed back on that.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Credit to me wants to go first. I'll just get mine out of the way if you're like, wow, Jenna's wearing a lot of makeup. I had my bridal trial makeup today. I'm picking up my dress soon. It's getting real, fellas. We're closing in.

[C]

It's all about her.

[B]

Yeah. So if you don't like my makeup, don't tell me.

[A]

I thought she looks great. Right.

[B]

When she walked in, I was already at work. Dan is talking to me. I'm looking at him. Normally I don't look like this when I'm talking to him. I was like, oh, I. I got my makeup done. He was like, oh, really?

[C]

Adult daughters?

[B]

Yes. Michael could tell. He was like, wow, you look nice today. Thank you, Michael.

[A]

I think you look great every day.

[B]

So I think, my God. Same thing I tell my take the one shot.

[A]

That's the same thing I tell my wife.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, I'm sure she loves, loves hearing that.

[A]

I'll go off of that because mine is makeup related.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Literally credit to me. It's really tough to be a grown man and walk into Ulta and have to get new makeup. Breaking news. We wear makeup on tv. We don't really wear it, at least here, but Mike and I and Jenna, obviously we wear makeup. It's really tough to walk in and talk to like a 18 year old girl and be like, hi, I need some new foundation. And it's happens probably once every year and a half and I'm just so uncomfortable.

[B]

Can I tell the Elmira story?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So when Dan and I work together at our first jobs too, at Elmyra in Elmyra, shout out W E and Y. And Dan, you know, a part of becoming a sports broadcaster is looking the part as well. So having the clothes and also wearing makeup and obviously as a woman, I, you know, have had a lot more time with my makeup and all that stuff. And Dan just bought makeup from CVS or whatever. One of his first days on air, like slaps it all over his face. And I was like, oh, my. Like, Dan, you look like you have jaundice.

[C]

It's like he was like, at that.

[A]

Time, I went into Ulta Beauty or whatever it was, and I was like, I need a TV makeup. And they were like, what do you mean? I was like, I'm going to be on tv. I need makeup. And they were just like, okay.

[B]

Dan looked like a corpse. He was so pale. The color was wrong.

[C]

It's so damn.

[B]

Oh, my God. And I was like, you should probably get some like bronzer and concealer and.

[A]

Like, what are those things?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who are they?

[B]

Yeah. The color of your skin, though, is yellow.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was like. It was not.

[C]

How are your kidneys?

[B]

Yeah. Seriously?

[A]

Yeah. So it happens all the time. I'm always there. And then my wife Renee, shout out. Renee does all of the talking. He needs this foundation. He wears this kind and that kind. And I go, I don't know. It comes in a little thing. I open it up, I put it on and I go. We go on air.

[C]

So even after all these years, it's the only thing when I walk in and I will say, I work on television and I just say, because they don't know.

[B]

Buy it online. What do you.

[C]

No, no, I. If I had to ask for something, they didn't have it. I would be like, I had this. And usually I take a picture of the thing. This is the one I had. They don't make that one anymore. This is exactly the same thing. Nice and simple.

[A]

Yeah, I got pretzel. This girl's trying on matching them.

[B]

Dan and I have the same foundation now.

[C]

Oh, that's so cute.

[A]

My wife's jealous of my foundation. She's like, this is really good stuff.

[B]

Nice stuff.

[C]

So get an extra one for her.

[A]

Yeah, but it's just, it's a. It's a tough spot to be in and I just feel like I walk out bruised and battered going like that. That was. That was rough. That was rough. While my four year old daughter. Yeah, my four year old daughter loves it. She's picking out makeup and then my one and a half year old is just opening up all the testers and rubbing them all over her face.

[C]

So that's crazy.

[B]

That's so. It's so Ryan.

[C]

Yeah. All right, first, I shout out two people. Yes, Christian at the gym today. Awesome. Season ticket holder, loves Buffalo plus. Great talking with you. We'll talk more. I'll get these guys to show up at the gym sometime. He wanted to know where my podcast partners, why they aren't the gym. There we go. And two, Heather at Aldi's. No free ads as Dan says. Aldi's is awesome. Heather shouted Buffalo plus. So that was great here. I mentioned being at the gym. I failed when I had to do the Pilates class. I know that I did. So I've been trying to work a little harder. Double dipped on classes today. Did my regular spinning and did this class in the pit. It is a full body weight workout today. I'm working on it, getting stronger. And you know, who noticed? You know who noticed this? Brandon Bean noticed. Take a listen. Yeah, he's definitely added strength and bulk. And we, you know, Will and his staff do a great job of kind of measuring these guys with different things, whether it's force they're using in the weight room or just getting on the bod pod itself and seeing what their body composition looks like. Body fat, muscle mass, all that good stuff. He's. He's definitely in a stronger position. I'll have the metrics for or anything I would put out there, but he's definitely in a stronger position than he was probably this time a year ago. So. Yeah, so he's noticed. He's noticed my team is getting me bulked up and getting ready, stronger, ready to go for the season. So I'm really happy that he's noticed.

[B]

Got a lot of confidence in your knee, too.

[C]

My knees are fine. My knees are fine. No excuses here. I'm ready to go.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Okay. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. Thank you again to Christian as well as Heather and Dennis.

[C]

Going to have her makeup done for every podcast from now on.

[A]

Nope, I didn't do mine.

[C]

Get that. Oh, Myra makeup. For the next.

[B]

You would cry laughing. It's so bad. All right, thank you for joining us. We'll catch you next time here on Buffalo Plus. Again, please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share and we will see you next time. Time.

[C]

There.