What a MESS in MIAMI: Josh Allen and BILLS offense LOOK LOST in LOSS to DOLPHINS

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast Episode Summary

Episode: What a MESS in MIAMI: Josh Allen and BILLS offense LOOK LOST in LOSS to DOLPHINS
Date: November 10, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Dan Fates
Theme: Dissecting the Buffalo Bills’ dismal loss to the Dolphins, focusing on offensive collapse, team frustration, missed opportunities, and what the defeat means for the divisional and playoff outlook.

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Main Theme Overview

The episode offers a cathartic, in-depth breakdown of the Buffalo Bills’ ugly 30-13 loss to the Miami Dolphins. Mike and Dan vent their frustrations as they analyze an offense that looked completely out of sync, discuss coaching decisions, ponder front office choices at the trade deadline, and gauge the mood in the locker room—ultimately questioning the team’s identity and urgency as midseason hits its stride.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Offense’s Collapse and Lack of Identity

• Bills’ Offense “Lost”: Both hosts repeatedly express disgust with how poorly the Bills offense functioned, highlighting empty yardage, lack of rhythm, and failure to produce against a “beatable, division rival.”

  • "They lost this game because of the offense. I thought the defense was not great. The tackling was abysmal in the first half, but they lost this football game because of the offense." — Mike (02:09)

• Statistical Mirage: Josh Allen's 300 passing yards are dismissed as “empty numbers.”

  • "Total numbers are empty numbers... ended up scoring a couple touchdowns. Whatever. They lost this game because of the offense." — Mike (01:59)

• No Open Receivers, No Reliable Targets: Time to throw was at a career high (3.53 seconds), yet receivers could not separate, and offensive design forced Allen to improvise.

  • "Josh scrambled to make time and still nobody was open. The Bill's best offensive pass play was when Josh ran around for 10 seconds and then Curtis Samuel got open. They're playing backyard football and not the good kind." — Dan (04:35)
  • "Nothing is scripted. Nothing is easy. Massive problems..." — Dan (04:48)

• No “Go-To” Play or Player: Hosts bemoan the lack of a “Kelsey territory” type play or a receiver Allen can consistently trust in clutch situations.

  • "There's no go to play in the passing game for this Bill's offense right now..." — Dan (11:08)
  • "When's the last time there was a pass to a wide receiver?... there should be 10, 15 throws a game." — Dan (12:42)

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2. Front Office and Coaching Critique

• Wide Receiver Woes: The failed pursuit of Jalen Waddle at the trade deadline is cited as evidence the front office recognizes their error in relying on the current receiver group.

  • "They know it. They should have done it in the offseason. That's when they should have made a move for a wide receiver..." — Mike (03:50)

• Coaching Play Calling: Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator, is criticized for “getting cute” and deploying questionable play calls on key downs.

  • "I think Joe Brady got cued again on the fourth down. You're throwing a lob pass up to Jackson Hawks." — Dan (08:00)

• Sean McDermott’s Demeanor: The head coach’s postgame frustration is palpable, both in media answers and informal moments.

  • "I felt like Josh Allen said words, but I could hear his teeth grinding when he was talking." — Mike (08:45)
  • "Sean McDermott the same thing. He sounded angry... or frustrated?" — Mike (09:17)

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3. Locker Room Mood and Player Accountability

• Frustration Boiling Over: The team’s postgame tone is described as flat, too composed for such a critical loss; the hosts want to see more anger and fire.

  • “I guess I’m still old school. I wanted to hear somebody get pissed off and maybe they do behind closed doors…” — Mike (19:34)

• Players Owning Mistakes: Allen takes blame (“It’s on me”), receivers admit missed opportunities (Keon Coleman: “Not really had a tip ball I could have probably scored on…”), but the show asserts the systemic issues run deeper.

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4. Defensive Performance in Context

• Defense Not Primary Issue: While tackling is poor, hosts argue offense dug the deeper hole.

  • "The defense was not good. But they were not the reason you were losing this game." — Mike (15:42)

• Cole Bishop Interception: The one bright spot is a predicted interception by rookie Cole Bishop, a rare upbeat moment.

  • (Clip recall and humor: “It’s two weeks in a row… Career interception number two is coming on Sunday. Cole Bishop… I’m just picking winners here.”) — Mike (14:42)

• Injuries Mounting: Discussion of soft-tissue injuries (Kincaid hamstring, Landon Jackson knee), raising questions about conditioning and luck.

  • "A lot of soft tissue stuff this year. Calves, hamstrings... They've had a lot of them this year." — Mike (18:03)

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5. Division Race & Playoff Outlook

• Dire Straits: The hosts shift the conversation from winning the division to just finding a way into the playoffs, noting how the loss gives the Patriots a strong edge in tiebreakers.

  • "I'm not thinking about the division anymore like it is. Just make the playoffs." — Dan (20:22)
  • "You lost to them head to head. Now you have an additional loss in the division… So this was a terrible day for that." — Mike (18:54)

• Comparison to Past Meltdowns: The loss is equated to the infamous defeat in Jacksonville years prior; lack of urgency, failing to dominate against an inferior opponent.

  • "That was reminiscent, Mike, of a the Jags loss a few years ago..." — Dan (01:07)

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6. Fan and Local Reaction

• Fans Share in the Misery: Hosts read out texts from their wives in real time:

  • "This game sucks." — Text from Mike’s wife, Jenny (19:24)
  • "WTF is going on with this game?" — Text from Dan’s wife, Renee (19:28)
  • "My text back: They suck." — Dan (19:30)

• Dolphins Celebrating: Audible jubilation from the Miami locker room adds sting.

  • "You could hear the Dolphins locker room having a party. Like everybody rode them off." — Dan (21:00)

• Call for “Pissed Off” Next Week: The expectation is set that the Bills must respond with urgency and attitude against Tampa Bay.

  • "This should be a pissed off Bills team taking the field... Enough with this. Pushing it down the line..." — Mike (21:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We thought this was going to be... and to put that type of effort, that to me was the most disappointing thing today.”
  Dan Fates, 01:41

• "Keon is their outside receiver. It is vital for him to be good. He has not been good enough."
  Mike Catalana, 04:56

• On Allen’s Exasperation:
  “If you follow what I’m saying… I could hear his teeth grinding when he was talking.”
  Mike Catalana, 08:45

• On “Everyone Eats”:
  “Everybody eats. Bullshit. Don’t stop saying it. Nobody cares and see what happens.”
  Mike Catalana, 12:24

• On Play Calling:
  “You’re throwing a lob pass up to Jackson Hawks.”
  Dan Fates, 08:12

• On Fan Perspective:
  “This game sucks.”
  *Jenny (Mike's wife, via text), 19:24 "WTF is going on with this game?"
  *Renee (Dan's wife, via text), 19:28

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:06] — Opening frustration: Bills’ effort, offense compared to Dan’s hoarse voice
• [01:05] — Importance of the loss: Division implications, lack of energy
• [02:41] — First half offense breakdown: List of empty possessions
• [03:26] — Trade deadline moves and WR needs: Recap of failed Waddle trade
• [04:35] — Josh Allen’s time to throw, receiver woes: Next Gen stat, no separation
• [06:25] — Exhaustion and deep passing game limitations: Allen “gassed,” other teams finding explosive plays
• [07:43] — Sean McDermott audio: On offense failing to support Allen
• [08:45] — Locker room body language: Perceptions on Allen and McDermott
• [10:41] — Third-and-eight conundrum: No dependable plays
• [14:42] — Cole Bishop interception prediction: The week’s lone bright spot
• [15:36] — Defensive evaluation: First-half tackling, Waddle deep ball, context for DBs
• [17:12] — Injury updates: Landon Jackson, Dalton Kincaid hamstring
• [18:41] — Jenna Cottrell’s tweet recap: “Ugly, unorganized, and uninspired”
• [19:24] — Fan and spouse reactions
• [20:22] — Division chase, playoff reality check: Just making the playoffs the new goal
• [21:31] — Demand for “pissed off” response: Urgency heading into next game

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Final Thought

Both hosts echo the anger and bewilderment of Bills fans, highlighting an offense that looks artistically broken, a front office that gambled and lost on skill talent, and a coaching staff feeling the heat. The locker room’s subdued response stands in stark contrast to the urgency this moment demands. With mounting injuries and a slipping playoff race, the Bills now face a clear mandate: find urgency—or watch the season slip away.

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Transcript

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I know it's a week to week league and you know, any given Sunday, this was ridiculous.

[Dan Fates]

The Bills effort and offense were worse than my voice and I sound terrible.

[Mike Catalana]

This is the Buffalo Podcast. Hey everybody. Welcome to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana, along with Dan Fates, who's playing hurt, will explain that in a minute. Please make sure to like, comment and subscribe. Thank you for being with us. I'm sure you're miserable. You'll be venting. You've probably been venting to people all day, all night. Whenever it is that you're watching this. I am kind of disgusted by the way the Bills played.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And I know this happens sometimes in the NFL and I know it's a week to week league and I know you got to get up for every team but this one. Dan just bothered me because of how important of a game it is for a team in November and the way they played against a division rival.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, apologies for my voice hurting your ears and I apologize. The Bills need to apologize to your eyes for what you just watched on Sunday. We thought this was going to be. I said Mitch Trubisky should get into this game. He got in this game because of how bad the offense was. And on the heels of the trade deadline and not getting stuff done that was reminiscent, Mike, of a the Jags loss a few years ago when they went to Jacksonville and lost nine to six. And that was one of those games where we joked around about the Bills are still going to come back and win that game. But that's a lame duck head coach that is going to get fired and a team that is not as talented as you and doesn't have anything to play for. I know, right, Mike? Hey, they get paid too and. But you've won seven games in a row. You've dominated this team. This is like been your second home. And to put that type of effort, that to me was the most disappointing thing today.

[Mike Catalana]

Look, we can talk about the defense and we will. They were playing with a lot of guys out or guys left field. No, I'm saying is in terms of that the offense had everybody out there except Josh Palmer, I guess. Right. Was the only one he hasn't been playing. Here are their possessions in the first half. Punt, lost the ball on downs. Punt, fumble, punt. Against Miami they were getting shut out through three quarters of this game. The total numbers are empty numbers. Josh threw for 300 yards, ended up scoring a couple touchdowns. Whatever. They lost this game because of the offense. I thought the defense was not great. The Tackling was abysmal in the first half, but they lost this football game because of the offense.

[Dan Fates]

100%. The offense was not good enough. It has been a concern of this. Everybody eats and we've hammered this home. And Mike, there was a report today that came out from Tom Pelissero of the NFL Network that the Bills were part of a package to get Jalen Waddle. He's pretty good, right? They were willing to give up a first round pick in 2027, not this upcoming year's draft. The deal did not get done that we talked about what they were thinking about going into this deadline. What did they. What were. Does it change their mindset? But this is a fundamental issue that goes back to training camp where this is the team that they assembled. This is the team they thought was good enough. This was the offense they thought was good enough. And it's not.

[Mike Catalana]

This is the passing game where Brandon Bean said going into training camp after the draft that it was the dumbest.

[Dan Fates]

Argument to be bitching about a wide receiver.

[Mike Catalana]

Right. And it is a big thing. And the team obviously recognizes they need a wide receiver. If you're out there ready to throw out a number one pick, that's what I can say. You can argue, could he have given up more? Sure, maybe it's worth doing that, especially for this year. But they are obviously recognizing it's not good enough. We've said it multiple times here. They know it. They should have done it in the offseason. That's when they should have made a move for a wide receiver. They have Keon Coleman. If you want to hang your hat on the touchdown Keon made. Congratulations. Watch the rest of the game. It's not good enough.

[Dan Fates]

Here's a mind blowing stat for you. Per Next gen, Josh Allen's average time to throw was 3.53 seconds today against the Dolphins. That's the longest time to throw of his career since 2018. Josh had time.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Josh scrambled to make time and still nobody was open. The Bill's best offensive pass play was when Josh ran around for 10 seconds and then Curtis Samuel got open. They're playing backyard football and not the good kind. Nothing is scripted. Nothing is easy. Nobody is open. Massive problems. And when you can't run the ball, Mike, what is there to do?

[Mike Catalana]

And I know to some people it's going to sound like I'm picking on Keon Coleman. He is their outside receiver. It is vital for him to be good. He has not been good enough. A little more sound from the locker Room. Well, first of all, Josh asked about Keon, and then Keon, I asked him about him making the most of his opportunities. Do you feel like Keon is doing.

[Sean McDermott]

Enough with the chances that he's been getting?

[Mike Catalana]

I mean, got one today, so, yeah. Do you think you've made the most of your. The opportunities like a day like today? Do you think you've made the most of what you've had a chance to do?

[Keon Coleman]

Not really had a tip ball I could have probably scored on. So for the most part, yes, I feel like I do capitalize. Oh, my number is called, though.

[Mike Catalana]

You're on the sidelines, you see a lot of stuff. When you sit in the press box, you're basically getting the all 22 view of the game.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

There were times I am watching Josh Allen from either side of the field and I'm going, there is no one open. And you're right. Some of that time to throw was him running around like a crazy man in the second half and trying to find guys open. And then he made a couple of plays. But it's also forced Josh Allen to go back to the old Josh where he's trying to make too much of a play, like on the run, and he fumbles the ball on the pass was a bad decision on third down. He said afterward, he threw it to Shavers. I think that was one to.

[Dan Fates]

He was so gassed. That was the drive that he ran around on the third down, completed the long pass, and then he threw the pick and. But the entire offense. And look, it was hot today. It wasn't 20, 22 surface of the sun hot, but it was hot. And Josh is, you know, you can see how exhausted he is before the play because nothing is easy. Nothing is coming easy with this offense. And also I'm sitting here on the sidelines, scrolling my phone on Twitter, and I'm seeing deep touchdowns from here. And I'm seeing deep touchdowns to Mack Hollins. I'm seeing deep touchdowns to Chris Olave. I'm seeing the Seahawks have deep touchdowns. There's this thought that you can't throw the ball deep. Bs you can throw the ball deep if you have the guys to do it. The Bills don't have them. Like I said last week, can you build a passing offense and a passing attack around bubble screens to Khalil Shakir and passes to your tight ends? Last week, apparently, yes. This week you can't.

[Mike Catalana]

We've already talked about what Josh Allen said and Keon said about their relationship on the field.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Mike Catalana]

And opportunities here's Sean McDermott on the bills passing game and why they're not getting enough and the importance of getting more out of an offense that has 17 at quarterback.

[Sean McDermott]

Because it's an important part of our offense. It's.

[Mike Catalana]

We've got.

[Sean McDermott]

We've got a great quarterback and you want to be able to move the ball two dimensionally and you know, we should be able to move the ball with Josh through the air. But it can't just be one. One phase of your offense. It's got to be two.

[Dan Fates]

I loved hearing that from Sean. Like, don't put this all on Josh. Like, that was pretty much him defending his quarterback. Of we should be able to move the ball when we have 17 at quarterback. And you need to also give him some easy throws. I think Joe Brady got cued again on the fourth down. You're throwing a lob pass up to Jackson Hawks.

[Mike Catalana]

I think the initial thought on that pass was going to go right to James Cook. He was covered and then he was stuck and. And they're throwing backwards. You know, it's funny and a lot of people do a good job trying to cover the team and all, but there are times you need to be there. And we're standing in the press room, a small press room. I felt like Josh Allen said words.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

But I could hear his teeth grinding when he was talking.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

If you follow what I'm saying.

[Dan Fates]

If you read the transcript, he. He said the right things.

[Mike Catalana]

He says, it's on me. It's on me. It's on me. Okay. Yes. He's gotta play better. He made some mistakes today, but there's so much on him. They're just not giving him enough on the offense. And then. And add into that and people are probably commenting, Dalton Kincaid made the best catch I've seen him make as a Bill. Then he dropped one. Then it was a hamstring. So it didn't help matters that he went out with a hamstring. So we'll see how long he's going to be out. But when I said this about the tone, I thought Sean McDermott the same thing. He sounded angry. Is that the right word? Or frustrated?

[Dan Fates]

Frustrated.

[Mike Catalana]

Frustrated to the point that in a few of his answers he went back and clarified and even not to go to even sort of did that personally to me.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

About a question I asked, he came up to me.

[Dan Fates]

He goes, hey, the stats at the end.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Because I said about the stats and he's smooth the ball.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

He was saying is those are empty stats which he's 100% right. I'm saying this, I think he wanted to be clear.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

I felt that frustration from him.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. And we hear national people, national pundits, and whether it's, you know, the big media, ESPN or NFL Network, these things, and they say, well, I don't like the fact that people say Josh Allen doesn't have any weapons because look at James Cook. And then they'll just name Keon Coleman and they'll name Dawson Knox and. And they'll name these guys because they bet on the team. And this has been a perennial deep playoff team. They've been a standard of the NFL for the last few years and it's just not accurate. Like to watch a game. Watch a game. You watch all the games. There's nothing explosive about this offense. And unless James Cook's ripping off 20 yard runs, it is a slog to get down the field.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm going to ask you guys, I want you to write down an answer here. Put it down, put it, write it down. Comment on it. It's third and eight.

[Dan Fates]

They have no concept. They have no go to plays.

[Mike Catalana]

You're sitting at home, all of us do this. You're watching the game. You're at the stadium. You're watching the game. It's third and eight. You're saying to your buddy, your wife, your sister, your daughter, whoever it is that's watching the game with you, oh, they're going to do this, they're going to do that. What are you saying on third and eight?

[Dan Fates]

This is where, when you watch the Chiefs, you watch Seattle Monday night, Aikman, these guys will talk and they go, this is Kelsey territory. They're going to look for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. They're going to look to this guy. There's no go to play in the passing game for this. Bill's offense right now, even on 3rd and 12, they're screen passes to Ty Johnson to hopefully get enough yardage to go for it on fourth down. This is a. Again, we've said it before, I think we said in Atlanta, the offense, the passing offense felt broken and they got things on track in Carolina when Joe. And afterwards with the running game. And afterwards, Joe Brady said he had no concerns in the passing game because we can throw the ball. We just didn't need to. We can throw it when we need to. You can't.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, let's, let's stop the bs. Brandon Beane showed he's concerned about the passing game because he's trying to trade for a wide receiver Sean McDermott said, We got to do better. We, we should do better with Josh Allen as our quarterback. Josh Allen sounded immensely frustrated to me with the way it went, taken on the blame, which is fine. But it's when the blame starts with this offense, it doesn't start with Josh Allen. So that part I just found to be. It's a, it's, it's a fact. The passing game's not good enough. When is it good enough? It's good enough when you're running the ball really well. You get the lead, you move the ball around, Shakir makes some plays and everybody goes, everybody eats. Bullshit. Don't stop saying it. Nobody cares and see what happens.

[Dan Fates]

When is the last time? I mean outside of. And here. I'll take this out. I'll take this out for you. When's the last time there was a pass to a wide receiver? Because there have been some. To Dalton Kincaid, who has played well the last this season.

[Mike Catalana]

Right.

[Dan Fates]

Okay. In the passing game that Josh takes a five step drop, puts his foot in the ground and throws a dart that's 12 yards down the field to a wide receiver even. He's throwing left handed passes to guys and shovel passes and things like that.

[Mike Catalana]

I would say because somebody said go back to last week, he threw the one to Elijah Moore.

[Dan Fates]

Okay.

[Mike Catalana]

It was a good pass. That's what I'm saying. It was a nice catch. It was a good pass. He did have Shakir. But you're only talking about a couple.

[Dan Fates]

Play examples over games. There should be 10, 15 throws a game.

[Mike Catalana]

Quarterback is Josh freaking Allen.

[Dan Fates]

So, and, and the comments that have already came in about what do you think on third and eight. My thought is Josh is going to drop back and run around.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. And then hopefully somebody getting open enough.

[Dan Fates]

That they or Josh Ross. And Josh got beat up today. He got beat up a lot.

[Mike Catalana]

Jackson Hawes, he's the go to guy I guess because they got it to him late for the touchdown.

[Dan Fates]

It's frustrating and I know we come on here and it's like it's fans and we appreciate all the like comments and subscribes but it's like we're expressing how we feel watching this team, like trying to make you feel something of where we're at. And the effort, Mike, the effort wasn't there.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Josh said that they wanted it more. Deon said they came out for flat. How do you come out flat in week 10 when you're in a division race against a team that is two and seven with a lame duck Head coach.

[Mike Catalana]

So I'll put some of this on the defense early in the game. Bills get go through. They get the interception. They get the interception.

[Dan Fates]

Oh yeah. The one bright spot. Nostralana.

[Mike Catalana]

It's two weeks in a row. Look, we gotta play the clip.

[Dan Fates]

Clip.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm gonna make another prediction. Career interception number two is coming on Sunday. Cole Bishop. You had that great one against the Saints. I'm just picking winners here. Cole Bishop is gonna get two. Help out Uncle Dan bet over half an interception for Cole. What would it be? Is it always like zero intercept? It would be half. Yeah, yeah. You gotta be over. So over a half. I'm going Cole Bishop over a half. He's going to get a pick.

[Dan Fates]

See, we can still have fun here on Buffalo. Plus even during sadness.

[Mike Catalana]

That's why you got to watch all of our videos. Because we give you those little nuggets.

[Dan Fates]

You could have made money. I don't know if anybody bet Cole Bishop over interception.

[Mike Catalana]

So Cole gets an interception. Fine. Bills go three and out. Okay. They go three and out. And then poor tackling Dolphins go down the field, get a touchdown, put you behind. I thought the defense tackled very poorly in the first half.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Now third quarter of this game, it's only 16 to nothing.

[Dan Fates]

Like a game.

[Mike Catalana]

The defense was not good. But they were not the reason you were losing this game. The offense turned the ball over. They take it down the field, turn it over. I will say Max got burned on the deep ball by Waddle.

[Dan Fates]

Happens.

[Mike Catalana]

I said they should have traded for that guy at halftime. Max got beat. Waddle's good player tried to get back. It was also pass interference. It's like that is going to happen. He did have the speed to catch up. To interfere with him.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

I guess if you want to be any sort of positive on it. I thought the tackling was poor. I thought it was better early in the second half. And I thought they when it was 16 to nothing still and they got hanging around. But then James Cook trying to make more on a play. Josh Allen trying to make more on a play. They give the ball away. The interception in the end zone, the offense didn't help them. And then the defense got gashed at the end of the game, which made it look worse. But that was a problem.

[Dan Fates]

It's funny, I almost understand Josh and James's fumbles because those are literally. Those are guys that are trying to do too much.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Like that's where do your 111th all these things. No, not when your offense is struggling. You're Trying to make a play, Josh. It's a. It's a tush push. He's going for. He needs one yard. He gets 15, and he's carrying a linebacker down the field.

[Mike Catalana]

And then the ball pops out. I honest to God thought he was going to break free and go into the end zone the way he was going defensively. They played this game without my other ear popped. Finally. Look at that.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Some. Some good news. Just to get you ready to get on a plane tomorrow. They played this game without Christian Benford. Okay, then. Look, they were hoping to get something out of Landon Jackson. I feel for the kid. It has not gone well. And then he gets out on the field and he was in a lot of pain. You saw him on the field? I saw him afterward. Crutches. I don't know specifically. It did not look good.

[Dan Fates]

No, that was not good. Players, you know, instantly it's the knees. Trying to straighten it out. It's his right knee. He came back from halftime in street clothes and on crutches and a brace already.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Then you lose Dalton Kincaid in the middle of the third quarter or fourth quarter, grabbing his right hamstring. He was on the sidelines for a little bit, working out with trainers. They were just kind of trying to see where it was. And then he goes back to the locker room, comes back, and street closes him out. Yeah. And he's their best pass catcher, by the way.

[Mike Catalana]

Jace Gursky of the Buffalo News brought it up. A lot of soft tissue stuff this year. Calves, calves, hamstrings. Sometimes that's groin luck. Maybe there is. And Sean, in his frustration about the entire game, said the thing. We're not making excuses about injuries. That really wasn't the question. The question was kind of, why are they happen? That's probably a bigger picture thing for them, but they've had a lot of them this year, and it. Let me tell you something. This past game, it doesn't help to have Kincaid out.

[Dan Fates]

No.

[Mike Catalana]

Because he had started to make a few plays on that drive, made a couple of nice plays. Then he dropped one right before half. And then he got hurt.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I think Jenna kind of framed it best. She tweeted ugly, unorganized. And uninspired. As the Bills dropped to six and three. Patriots won again today. The Bills are now pretty much two games behind.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. You lost to them head to head. Now you have an additional loss in the division.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

So if the Bills pretend all things being equal, Bills keep winning, Patriots keep winning. You knock off the Patriots, you're Still behind them. Because you lost that division game. Yeah, because they haven't lost another game in the division. So this was a terrible day for that. My wife doesn't comment. My wife doesn't comment much about it. I got one text from Jenny and it said, this game sucks.

[Dan Fates]

I got a text from Renee, WTF is going on with this game?

[Mike Catalana]

I think they were pretty accurate.

[Dan Fates]

My text back, they suck. Yeah, it was one of those games.

[Mike Catalana]

And I, I just, I think it's. I know in the locker room guys are. There's sort of a tone. I guess I'm still old school. I wanted to hear somebody get pissed off and maybe they do behind closed doors. Dion, who's usually really honest with the way he talks, sort of dropped back into that. You know, it's one game and we got to come back and all. But fellas, we're in December.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Or November. Feels like December. And you can't lose games like this. I mean, even Denver, as bad as they were the other day, they found a way to knock off the Raiders and then you can just try to forget about the game. But all this other worrying, New England is good and the Bills are in trouble in the division, so they put themselves in a bad spot.

[Dan Fates]

I'm not thinking about the division anymore like it is. Just make the playoffs.

[Mike Catalana]

Make the playoffs and be better.

[Dan Fates]

Like that's, that's. You got to try and stack good games.

[Mike Catalana]

They did stack back to back good games.

[Dan Fates]

That's what Carolina and Kansas City. And then you. This is a. This was another Carolina game. This was a game against a bad team that has no playoff hopes.

[Mike Catalana]

The only difference is these teams played in Orchard Park. And you said it's fine to say that. They didn't know they were bad yet. They had Tyreek Hill at the time, but that game was deep, dead even. And this game was a domination. You look at the 120 minutes they played. The Dolphins. Dolphins were the better team.

[Dan Fates]

The Dolphins locker room, we were waiting outside to get into the media room for our interviews with the Bills players. And you could hear the Dolphins locker room having a party. Like everybody rode them off.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I said in the Orchard park game, they had zero chance. I did say the dolphins had 1%. That was apparently too low.

[Mike Catalana]

You were right. No, they had a chance. 30 to 13. You would have bet a lot of money saying that score was for the Bills.

[Dan Fates]

That was my score for the Bills.

[Mike Catalana]

You would have had a lot of money.

[Dan Fates]

Nailed the score. Wrong team, apparently.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. God, I've been so frustrating this team anyhow. I got nothing else for you. I know you're all frustrated. Tampa is a pretty good team coming off a loss. But I'm going to say this should be a pissed off Bills team taking the field on Sunday. They should be angry. They should be angry with themselves at the way they played. Enough with this. Pushing it down the line like that's the only thing I have to say.

[Dan Fates]

I don't feel good about next week if Kincaid's out. Josh Palmer went through an extensive pregame warm up. He was probably out here for 30 minutes before the game working out with trainers. Long conversation with head trainer Nate Bresky. I think he was close to a game time decision. I don't think you save people, you know, especially when you just need wins. But it was, it wasn't good to go. But hopefully that means he's closer to go.

[Mike Catalana]

But this they're going to need him. This they're going to need him because they're down to pass catcher. Thursday we saw real quick we saw a lot of Bills fans down here. Obviously they travel well. You had a miserable time because this game was miserable. I thought the Dolphins crowd kind of showed up in this game because there was a ton of Bills fans. But the Dolphins haven't had a lot to cheer about at home and they played well. Among the people I saw was Joe Moore, Buffalo plus fan. Said hi when we went to the Elbow Room, which was just loaded with Bills fans. So I wanted to shout him out.

[Dan Fates]

I saw met a new friend, Garrett at the casino last night. Hope Garrett's watching and listening to this. It was nice playing with you, man. Didn't win at the casino either. Didn't win there.

[Mike Catalana]

Damn.

[Dan Fates]

What a I'm so over Florida.

[Mike Catalana]

Let's get out of here. Go back to the snow of western New York Thursday.

[Dan Fates]

McGregor's.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. We're going to the west side. We're in Gates, New York. West side of Rochester.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Just. Just off the city. McGregor's is an awesome place.

[Dan Fates]

Awesome place.

[Mike Catalana]

We'll be there. Probably got a little bigger setup last week at Pittsford. Pub was insane intimate. The amount of people that were there was great coming off that Chiefs win. But we'll get you going for next week. This team's got to get you going. All right. That's going to do it for us. For Dan Fates and Jenna Cottrell, I'm Mike Catalana. Please make sure as always to like comment and subscribe vent away we talk about this team.

[Dan Fates]

I need some honey and lemon and a beer.

[Mike Catalana]

We will see you the next time on Buffalo. This is the Buffalo plus podcast.