What SHOULD the BILLS do at WIDE RECEIVER in free agency, COULD Gabe Davis RETURN and STORYTIME

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast: What SHOULD the BILLS do at WIDE RECEIVER in Free Agency? COULD Gabe Davis RETURN? & Storytime

Date: March 5, 2024
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
Main Topics: Buffalo Bills' Wide Receiver plans in free agency, Gabe Davis' future, storytime and behind-the-scenes NFL combine discussion.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Buffalo Bills’ offseason strategy at the wide receiver position, analyzes the impact of recent league moves (notably Mike Evans re-signing with Tampa Bay), and debates the possibility of Gabe Davis returning to Buffalo. There's also a mix of fun anecdotes and stories from the hosts' personal lives and their time at the NFL Combine.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mike Evans Stays in Tampa Bay: Implications for the Bills

• [01:38] Mike Evans’ re-signing with the Bucs removes a big name from free agency, with no direct impact for Buffalo as he was never a realistic target.
• “My first takeaway is he’s not going to the Kansas City Chiefs.” – Dan Fetes [02:04]
• The hosts agree Evans was never really on Buffalo’s radar, especially with Diggs still on roster; he would have been the “perfect” trade target at last year’s deadline, not this year.
• On Evans’ value: “He just does it every year... And he got a thousand with Baker, and Baker’s one of the better quarterbacks he played with. Not Brady.” – Mike Catalana [02:39]
• Sarcastic speculation about fans wanting the Bills to sign “everyone” (Evans, Derek Henry), but reality is the Bills want to get younger at WR.

2. Who’s a Fit for Buffalo at WR in Free Agency?

• [05:57] Realistic targets are limited. Calvin Ridley and Michael Pittman expected to price themselves out.
  • “I think they need more speed and explosiveness… I think they want to get younger at the wide receiver position.” – Dan [05:04]
• Curtis Samuel (familiar with OC Brady) and Noah Brown are floated as possible “value” options, but only as 3rd/4th receivers, not true WR2s.
• Darnell Mooney's "odd range" is noted, but hosts doubt there’s a real WR2 solution in this free-agency class.
  • “Are you signing a guy to be your second wide receiver?... You have to be pretty hopeful you are going to get a guy that you believe is at least a 2 and can eventually be a 1.” – Mike [07:25]

3. All Eyes on the Draft

• The consensus among hosts is that the Bills’ next important WR is coming via the draft, not free agency.
• “The second wide receiver on this team is coming in in the draft.” – Mike [09:11]
• [19:10-19:35] Hosts expect (at minimum) two WRs to be drafted among Buffalo’s ten picks, maybe even three.
  • “I’d like it to be three.” – Dan [19:28]
• Emphasis on the depth and talent at WR in the 2024 draft and beyond.

4. Could Gabe Davis Return to Buffalo?

• [10:31] – [15:06] Spirited debate: Is the “door closed” on a Gabe Davis reunion?
  • “I think the door is closed, closed, closed... Gabe needs a fresh start. The Bills need a fresh start from Gabe.” – Dan [11:54]
  • Jenna counters Gabe would be “silly” to close the door, especially if the market isn’t there.
  • Discussion around optics of Davis returning, especially with another high draft pick at WR – “You’re coming back and playing now, you’re not even Robin, you’re Alfred.” – Dan [16:30]
  • “I think just because [Gabe] thinks he’s that guy... you’ve lost that chance. Like, you’re not going to be that guy.” – Dan [12:36]
• Money and opportunity are huge factors; Davis likely finds a one-year deal elsewhere.

5. Other Names & The “Glue Guy” Discussion

• Trent Sherfield could be back in a WR5 role.
• Marquise “Hollywood” Brown and Kendrick Bourne as possible speed/cheap options, but neither move the needle as a top target. [17:07, 18:02]
  • “Maybe you take a flyer on a guy like [Bourne] just to see...” – Jenna [17:37]
• References to Justin Shorter and KJ Hamler (young depth pieces).

6. Safety Position Chatter & Nahim Hines Release

• [24:01-27:30] Quick discussion on Nahim Hines being cut to save cap space—potential for a re-sign but not a surprise.
  • “Anytime Brandon Bean brings in a player, they all make one great return.” – Mike [24:31]
• [27:30-29:07] Jordan Poyer’s future is teased as a “coin flip” scenario; debate about whether the Bills can move on from both Poyer and Hyde together.

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• Dan on Buffalo’s WR free agency market:
  “I just don’t think that there’s a number two in the free agent market that you’re willing to pay.” [09:32]

• Dan, on Gabe Davis’s return:
  “So you’re going to come back in and play now. You’re not even Robin, you’re Alfred.” [16:30]
  Prompting a running joke: “Alfred was a glue guy.”

• Mike, on Bean’s approach:
  “It would be a massive, massive mistake by Brandon Bean not to take a wide receiver in the top two rounds.” [16:10]

• Jenna, on the draft strategy:
  “What does Bean always talk about? Drafting before it’s a need. But when you look at wide receiver and age being a factor, you want to have someone that’s ready.” [20:35]

• Cap talk humor:
  “Cutting Naim Hines, $4.6 million. Poof. Just gone.” – Dan [26:55]
  “That’s how time works.” – Mike (about aging safeties, tongue-in-cheek) [31:13]

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Fun Storytime & Combine Recap

[32:01 – End]

• Debates over the best steakhouse in Indianapolis (“St. Elmo’s or Harry & Izzy’s?”).
• Scooter mishap stories and falling off: Dan recounts his tumble, prompting lots of ribbing.
• Jenna’s “celebrity in the neighborhood” moment:
  “A guy flips us off… realizes it’s me from Channel 3 and then apologizes.”
• Glimpses of “off-camera” camaraderie and some inside-joke references about working together.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Mike Evans stays in Tampa – no Bills impact | 01:38–05:49 | | WR free agency options for Buffalo | 05:57–10:27 | | The draft is the answer at WR | 09:11–20:57 | | Could Gabe Davis actually return to Buffalo? | 10:31–16:30 | | Marquise Brown, Kendrick Bourne, other WR options | 17:07–18:55 | | How many WRs will the Bills draft? | 19:10–20:57 | | Safety talk, Nahim Hines cut, cap mechanics | 24:01–29:07 | | Poyer/Hyde future and the safety room | 27:30–31:45 | | NFL Combine stories & offbeat segment | 32:01–43:13 |

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Tone & Chemistry

The hosts’ banter is lighthearted but laced with sharp football insights, blending inside jokes (“Alfred was a glue guy”) with clear, practical roster analysis. They’re frank about the team’s needs, realistic about market constraints, and unafraid to poke fun at themselves and each other.

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Summary Takeaways

• Bills probably won’t address WR2 in free agency: Premium names are too expensive; available players are WR3/4 types.
• Draft is the key: Expect at least two new WRs, one likely with a premium pick.
• Gabe Davis era appears over: Mutual need for a fresh start, unlikely he returns barring a very weak market.
• More roster churn coming: Hines cut, Poyer’s future up in the air; safety alongside WR is a position to watch.
• Lots of personality and insider perspective: Both in X’s and O’s, and in “storytime.”

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Transcript

[A]

So you're going to come back in and play now. You're not even Robin. You're Alfred.

[B]

Oh, Batman.

[C]

I. I see. I see what you're saying.

[A]

Is that good?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that was.

[C]

That was good, Alfred. Get it on a shirt.

[B]

But Alfred never really did any.

[C]

Also, Alfred was a glue guy.

[A]

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[C]

Back to the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cotrel. Please be sure to like comment subscribe to the channel as well as share and everyone. 30k, 30,000 we have.

[A]

We did it. Joe.

[C]

Honestly, such a cool moment for the podcast. We appreciate all the support we get.

[B]

And Dan, congratulations.

[A]

Thank you, Mike. Well done.

[B]

Great idea that you had to go to YouTube.

[C]

Take. Take the one shot. It was my idea.

[A]

Sarcasm aside, it was pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A couple people commented in like, wow, 30, 000. Like, I remember when it was a thousand. Yeah, like, that was. That's pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah. And that's when it was Jenna's idea.

[C]

Exactly. Funny how that.

[A]

Well done, team.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yes to the main. Speaking of team, nice to have the whole team back in here.

[C]

I know. I told Mike I missed you.

[B]

She missed us.

[C]

I never thought I would say that, but over the combine week.

[A]

Careful what you ask for.

[C]

I had some fomo. I had some. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Actually, she misses us at the start of this pod.

[B]

We'll see by the end.

[C]

Dan is drinking a Celsius, so. Yeah, I don't know by the end, by midway point, I think we'll be sick of each other, but no. All right, so some news though, today in the NFL world, we're recording this on Monday, but Mike Evans resigning a deal with the Bucks, another two year deal. So that means he will be staying in Tampa Bay. That means he's not an option for the Bills. Mike, what was your takeaway from this deal coming through and what do you think it kind of means for the Bills also in terms of what they want for wide receiver?

[B]

Well, my first takeaway is he's not going to the Kansas City Chiefs.

[A]

Big win.

[B]

Because couldn't you just see that guy playing for the Chiefs,000%? Now you know him better than all of us do because he ran you over in a game. But as a football player, the guy, you know, it was a couple years ago, somebody was talking about Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer. And I'm like, you know, he's really good. Is that you? Oh, my God. Well, you weren't the only one. And then I looked up his numbers.

[C]

It's impressive.

[B]

I mean, it's a thousand plus every year. And he had Brady for, what, two seasons?

[A]

Two. Yeah.

[B]

Was it two seasons?

[A]

Yeah, he won it. And then.

[B]

And then the next year, I mean, he got a thousand with Baker, and then Baker's one of the better quarterbacks he played with, not Brady.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he just does it every year, and he's going to stay there.

[A]

And.

[B]

And, Jenny, you mentioned it, when you've won a Super bowl, it frees you up.

[C]

I. I guess.

[B]

Unless you're a quarterback. And even a quarterback, depending on what level you're at. But when you've won one, you can be like, I'm sure he loves it in Tampa. Tampa's been great to him. Why leave? Yeah, why leave to go somewhere else?

[C]

That was one of my things of like, yeah, you can make that decision knowing you've won a championship and being like, yeah, you know what? I really like Tampa. I don't want to leave. I like what we're built. We've built here. I want to be a buck forever. Whereas if you hadn't a one, it's maybe like, you're always chasing that greatness.

[A]

Yeah. It was well played by him saying, yeah, gonna go test free agency. Get a boatload of money.

[B]

Bucks.

[A]

I'll see you guys in a little bit. And then they're like, oh, wait, just kidding. We found more money. Just totally kidding. I got more money for you.

[C]

Well, bring up your point about what Adam Kaplan had to say.

[B]

Oh, well, we talked about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, you know, Adam Kaplan does his own Inside the Birds podcast with Jeff Bosher, and they talked to Adam because we heard him say that teams never get rid of players based on the salary cap. So players.

[A]

They want.

[C]

That they want. Yeah.

[B]

Yes. Oh, they get rid of them, but it's. Yes. If they want them, they're going to keep them. Look, they want Mike Evans. Everybody knows it. But to your point, he's like, hey, I'll test free agency.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they bring him back, and I think he's a great player. And I guess in terms of the Bill's perspective on it, like you said, he's not going there. He's not going even to the Jets. Like, he's not going to any of those teams. Right. You never know what teams do. And I really don't think the Bills would have been in the market for him at all. I mean, not with Diggs there.

[A]

A player in 30s I wanted him at the deadline. I thought he would have been a.

[B]

Perfect this past year.

[A]

Past year when they got Razille Douglas, I thought that because his contract was expiring, it was just a short term fix rental. Yeah, maybe then he kind of falls in love with the team and the culture and things like that. I just didn't see it again. Would have loved to see it again. I know people have commented when I said salary cap isn't real, they've been like, well, why don't they go out and sign this person and Mike Evans and why don't they also go and sign Derrick Henry? I said, Derek Henry's a little old for running back to take away, but they could if they wanted to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I don't think he fits exactly into what they need. I think they need more speed and explosiveness. That's not to say that Mike Evans isn't explosive. He still has that ability to separate and get away. I think they want to get younger at the wide receiver position.

[B]

Hey, look, if you had Mike Evans, you, you would be in really good shape. But to your point, yes. If you're going to make those moves, give up the assets. If it would have been last year, give up the money and the cap space this year, I think it would have been a tough sell with Diggs on the roster.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. And that makes sense. I wanted him to come to Buffalo just for the plot of when he ran me over a couple years ago on the sidelines to make it a full circle moment.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And you know, I think he would have been helpful in terms.

[A]

Would have been a phenomenal training camp.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

A phenomenal one.

[C]

It would have been all right.

[B]

You should, you could have been like, I'm still here.

[C]

I'm still.

[B]

I'm still here.

[C]

No, it's. It's a cell phone.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, well then are there any players? Because here's the thing. We talk so much about the draft and the combine and all this stuff. We still expect the Bills to draft wide receivers, if not more than one. But in terms of free agency, are there any guys that kind of stick out to you that you think would be a nice fit in Buffalo?

[A]

Well, the one I, I love, Calvin Ridley, I think he priced himself out. And I know you were the one that talked about that. You're like, oh, his numbers weren't that great at the end of the year. He fizzled out at the end of the year. So did the entire team.

[B]

Did.

[A]

Jaguar's team did.

[B]

Yeah. And Lawrence was hurt Yep.

[A]

The guy can still play at a really high level.

[C]

He crushed them in London.

[A]

Crushed them in London. And that was kind of not necessarily the peak of it, but that was where I thought that was when he was playing at a very high level. Tailed off at the end, but he still had like 75 catches, over a thousand yards, eight touchdowns. I think he's going to get more money than the Bills are comfortable with it spending this free agency. But he's a guy. Leviskas Chenault is another guy that was a former Jags player that may fit in that range a little bit. Again, for as much as I like to say Sarah Cap is real, they can't get more players. I just think that Bean is more focused with the top end wide receiver talent that's in this class more than the wide receivers that I like in this free agent market. Michael Pittman is going to get too much money. He's probably going to go back to Indy anyway. Doesn't make sense for them in that range. So after that, to me, you're signing a whole, not a bunch of Trent Sherfields again.

[B]

Well, that's interesting. They say that.

[C]

No, I get it.

[B]

Are you signing a guy to be your second wide receiver?

[A]

No.

[B]

Are you signing a guy to be your third? Be to be your third or fourth or fifth? Right, right. And in terms of. So you have to be pretty hopeful that you are going to get a guy that you believe is at least a 2 and can eventually be a 1.

[A]

Correct. Right.

[B]

@ wide receiver. And I think on the free agent market, I would say Pittman would be the only guy who fits that. Now, Ridley. Yeah.

[C]

I think just to clarify, when you mean the only guy that fits that, are you talking about a two that.

[B]

Fits that could eventually go, this guy's our number one wide receiver, I think. And it's interesting. A guy like Darnell Mooney has a lot of talent.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And it's been weird circumstances for him in his career. He's going to be in that odd range. He's going to be, I mean, less than those guys are going. Less than. Certainly Pittman's going to get. Less than we were just saying is going to get on or with Ridley's going to get. But are you going down that road? Because if you look at the way teams look at things, you really want it to be heavy targets to the 1 and 2 wide receivers.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

And so Diggs is still that guy. He is, yeah. And you know, you have Shakir, you have a tight end who's going to catch a lot of balls in this offense.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So the idea of spending a lot. But that also tells me, Janet, if they go to A and we're using Trent as a guy, like Trent could be back. Like he could be.

[C]

I don't expect him to be, but I hear you. It's not out of the question considering.

[A]

Trent will be back.

[B]

Right. He could be back on a.

[A]

As a. He'll be the number five, which is fine.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I said. His role, not.

[B]

Yes, yes, you're right. If that's his role, I'm saying he could be back, but you're signing a guy maybe with a little more upside and all, but the idea is the second wide receiver on this team is coming in in the draft and that's what the hope is.

[A]

And that's, that's why I think I'm having trouble get excited about this wide receiver free agent market because.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because you think the role is diminished.

[A]

I just don't think that there's a number two in the free agent market.

[C]

That you're willing to.

[A]

That you're willing to pay.

[B]

That you could. Yeah.

[C]

That you think you would see what you're saying.

[A]

So like, to me, I guess the only other one that that somewhat piques my interest and depending on what he wants. And what again, if you're going to sign with Buffalo, you have a heads up of, hey, they're probably drafting a wide receiver, if not two in the draft. So I'm going to be competing for the two. Shakir is kind of running the slot. You know, run him. You know, he's a four. I like Curtis Samuel.

[C]

That's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I, I like the, the connection that he had with Brady in Carolina. Like he's, he's familiar with him. Like that makes a little bit of sense to me. But again, you're taking a chance, hoping that what the. Your draft pick kind of flames out. No, no, no, no. But I'm saying like if you want production, if you want to go to Buffalo to put up numbers, you're going to be doing it out of the.

[C]

Three or fourth spot from Curtis Samuels.

[A]

If you're a free agent.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Coming here.

[B]

Right. What about Noah Brown?

[A]

Don't hate it. What about Gabe?

[B]

No, now, now, I was going to bring that up. Listen, we do have a history with this team of sometimes thinking a guy is gone and then he eventually comes back for different reasons. Jordan Poyer, Matt Milano.

[C]

I didn't think Matt Milano would leave.

[B]

A lot of people thought at that Time he was going to be gone.

[A]

I didn't way different circumstances, I thought he was gone too. He had priced himself out. Covid changed the market.

[B]

You're right, that's true. Okay, so it's different circumstances, but there are times when we all get in our minds, yes, the guy is gone.

[C]

Poyer is different for Poyer.

[B]

May be a good example of what we're talking because I see the numbers that people are talking about for Gabe and I know, you know, what he made as a 4th round draft pick, it wasn't a lot of money. Yeah, that's a sizable jump in money based on the production that he has given. And so if I'm a team, I'm looking at a guy who has proven he can play in the league. But you're also talking about paying him a lot more than you would pay a rookie. Especially if it's beyond, you know, I'm maybe the first round pick but. And so you're saying to yourself like, okay, are we going to do this and does it get to the point where that money is not out there for him? I mean, do you think the door, I, I keep thinking the door is closed. And then I think to myself, when I look at the free agent market.

[C]

I think the door is closed on Gabe coming back.

[A]

I think the door is closed, closed, closed, closed, closed.

[B]

Who closed it?

[A]

Gabe.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Oh, no, no, no.

[C]

I think that would be very silly on his end to do that.

[A]

Gabe needs a fresh start.

[B]

Gabe.

[A]

The Bills need a fresh start from Gabe. Gabe needs a fresh start from Buffalo.

[B]

So what if the offers are not great at all?

[C]

I was gonna say, I think that would be silly on the part of Gabe Davis to close that door. I think if you're the Bills. You think, hey man, we appreciate you meant a lot to our organization. We just don't have the money. That type of ass.

[A]

I think it's so hard to be given not one, two chances to be the guy. And we are now saying we're drafting a guy.

[C]

But Gabe Davis thinks he's that guy.

[A]

Correct. So you're gonna there but you've lost that chance. Like you're not going to be that guy.

[C]

I see the Celsius kicking in.

[A]

So you're just not going to be that.

[B]

What if they sign him to A1?

[C]

You're not that guy, pal.

[A]

Why wouldn't he sign a one year deal somewhere else?

[B]

You're probably right.

[C]

I agree. I think I, I would be curious. I could see the Bills taking a step away from him because they Know it doesn't. It's not in their best interest. I would be shocked on the other end if it was Gabe Davis because he feels like he didn't rise to the occasion. I think Gabe Davis thought that he played to the best of his ability.

[A]

And I'm still gonna go out and spend a number one draft pick on a wide receiver. And when training camp opens the depth chart and Gabe's number three as a former captain and all these things, I think it's going to be a rough look.

[B]

Yeah, I mean you may be right.

[A]

Optics wise, they have to move on.

[B]

You may also be thinking if you're Gabe, that the next wide receiver is also to replace Stefan Diggs in a year.

[C]

That's fair too. I think Gabe Davis has the utmost confidence in himself. So I hear what you're saying.

[B]

He's 24.

[C]

Yeah, I, I just think it would be foolish on the his part to go out there and say I don't want to return and then have to come back around if the market's not there with his tail between his legs. I think that would affect you more psychologically than if you just said we'll see how it plays out. You entertain other options, the Bills do the same. And then there's, there's a coming.

[B]

But I see what Dan's saying in terms of like, okay, I, I, whatever Gabe feels about how it worked out the last two years matters to him more than what everybody else seems to say, right?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

If he says this didn't happen or he feels the offense didn't play to his strengths and all those things and the jets call him up or some team, it may be even worth it for him to take a little less because he's only, he is only going to be 25 during the year. He's still a relatively young guy.

[A]

I think he's got a better chance to go somewhere else next year, a one year deal and then come back to Buffalo. Like there needs to be a break now.

[B]

I think once there needs to be.

[A]

A break, I agree. I think it just didn't, it just didn't work out.

[C]

I think a one year deal is.

[A]

Just so one year deal in Kansas City, a one year deal in Philly, a one year. And if he goes and catches.

[C]

So question for you. If he, there was a one year deal with a little bit more money or a three year deal, I guess the money would be would you rather have a one year deal in another place if you're Gabe Davis or a two year deal in Buffalo A one.

[A]

Year deal somewhere else.

[B]

I, I see what you're saying. Because he is still a younger player and he would only be in a year. He'd only be 25 going on 26.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you could then still sign it. But if you're a free agent, especially the way at times his career has looked and you're an unrestricted free agent at his age coming off a first contract, this is when you're supposed to get paid. So we'll see. Hey, for all we know around this league, a team goes, we want Gabe. The Chicago Bears sign him to a four year deal, maybe for 12 million a year. There was a lot of teams looking for players there.

[A]

I also says we, we've said this before and I. And it's tricky because free agency is before the draft and things like that. But we always talk about money speaks louder than their words.

[B]

Oh, no doubt.

[C]

Tic talk is cheap.

[A]

Whether it's the draft capital or one thing or another. We all thought it was like, oh, Spencer Brown, they got to find a replacement at tackle. They got to draft the tackle. They didn't. They showed that they believed in Spencer Brown and it paid off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. It would be a massive, massive mistake by Brandon Bean not to take a wide receiver in the top two rounds. And what would that tell Gabe Davis? Yeah, that's my point.

[C]

I don't. I hear you. I just feel like they're definitely going to take a wide receiver.

[B]

I think he knows it and everybody. He'd know it before.

[A]

So you're going to come back in and play now. You're not even Robin, your Alfred.

[B]

Oh, Batman.

[C]

I'm not gonna lie. I was stunned. I'm not a big comic book person. I, I see, I see what you're saying.

[A]

Is that good?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, that was, that was good. Alfred. Get it on a shirt.

[B]

But Alfred never really did any.

[C]

Also, Alfred was a glue guy. Alfred gets no love. Okay.

[A]

That's the open of the show.

[C]

People are gonna be like, what? What, what, what? Shout out, shout out.

[B]

Benny.

[C]

I heard the name Kendrick Bourne tossed around a lot coming off the acl. That's one thing you would probably get him for pretty cheap. Yeah, but I don't know how long that timeline would be in terms of him getting actually back onto the field.

[B]

Yeah, I, I need, I need a more productive player than that as a wide receiver. I think he is a pretty good player and I think he played with poor quarterback play at the end of his time and well, really his whole time in, in Foxborough. And coming off the injury is tough. I think that's the kind of guy you're buying cheap.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. Maybe you take a flyer on a guy like that just to see. Trying to think of the other names.

[A]

No, it's crazy. I'm just looking at what CBS Sportsline has of their top 10 free agents. Yeah, Gabe ain't on the list.

[C]

I mean that doesn't shock me though.

[B]

But I think Spot track has him at what, getting his average deal. His market value is like 13 million a year.

[C]

That's a lot of money.

[A]

Cap only goes up.

[C]

What about Marquis Brown? Speed element?

[A]

Yeah, I like to draft somebody like that. Like I'd like to draft speed.

[C]

I hear you, but just because you draft speed doesn't mean you can't add speed.

[B]

And because someone's going to mention it in the comments. We know Justin Shorter is on the roster.

[A]

I was going to say Justin Shorter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm so glad you said it.

[B]

We know he's there. And you never know how it works out for a guy coming back for the second year.

[A]

I get it, Jenna. And and I again for as real as the salary cap want it to be. You have a lot of money that's been invested especially that's in what like how you try and break it down. I just think that you can with how deep this wide receiver class is. I would rather take a shot on a second round wide receiver and a third round wide receiver than signing a Marquis Brown. Like I know there's upside in KJ Osborne. Like I'm getting a cheaper guy that maybe has more upside than some of these recycled wide receivers that we've seen before and that have fizzled.

[B]

And they took a flyer on Hamler. Right. The wide receiver. By the way, I know we have plenty of time before the draft. By the way, we're going to have a Buffalo plus special show leading up to the draft that night. We can talk more about that later. Out of the what do they have eight picks in the draft this year?

[C]

They have 10.

[B]

10? Oh, that's right. 10. Because they got the comp picks.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How many wide receivers do they draft of the 10 picks? They may trade picks. They may do whatever. How many guys who played wide receiver in college and project as wide receivers in the NFL? How many do they draft this year minimum?

[C]

Two.

[A]

I'd like. I'd like it to be three.

[C]

I like it to be three as well.

[B]

I think if you took 10 players it could be three. I don't think they're taking 10.

[A]

I think it could be two.

[B]

And an undrafted agent, it should no question be two. No question be two. You take the early player, then you take another guy. It might be the third or fourth round, depending on what it is. Or you trade.

[C]

Did they say Javon Baker?

[A]

Matt Miller was saying Javon Baker in the second round. Matt Miller really likes those. Interviews are up on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel. Him and Emory Hunt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Phenomenal. He gives you guys for the sixth and seventh round out of Holy Cross and West Florida. Just. Just that kind of level of knowledge. But again, there's the consensus. Top four guys that are expected to be off the board before the Bills and then they will get a chance at the next three guys that are first round grades by many people. Again, my thing is, is that, yeah, you can get a wide receiver in the second round, you can get a wide receiver in the fourth round, in a fifth round. But like, to get a top end talent, you want a Justin Jefferson guy, you want a Jamar Chase. Like, you need a guy that can come in right away, be the number two, and then whenever that time is sooner rather than later, possibly you'd like him to be a number one.

[C]

Well, what does Bean always talk about drafting before it's a need.

[A]

He's got a lot of dudes right now.

[C]

He. I'm not disagreeing with that. But when you look at wide receiver and age being a factor, you want to have someone that's ready.

[B]

You're making a good point, Jenna, about the draft before you need. But in this case, the dre, the draft and the need come together.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because there is a need for receiver and it is a deep. Where you get into trouble is when you're like, there's only two good safeties in the top 50 and you're accurate and both are gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you sit in the third round, you go, we got to take a safety.

[A]

Yeah. I got breaking news for you.

[B]

What do you got?

[A]

Next year's draft class. Also deep at wide receiver. Just want you to know that, by.

[B]

The way, the one is, it's not deep in. And I heard. Was I listening to podcast talking about the tight end position? Not that the Bills are in a position take a tight end, but they were talking about there's a number one guy and then it drops off a cliff. Not a highly talented tight end spot. So.

[C]

Damn. What does that feel like if you're a tight end coming?

[B]

I know. Yeah, it's. It's interesting because A bunch of bruised apples. Yeah.

[A]

In the bunch.

[B]

Yeah. That. It really drops.

[C]

Ugly penny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, that is interesting. Definitely is something to note. All right, well, the Bills did make a move if we want to move on. Nahim Hines expected to be cut. Adam Schefter.

[B]

Wait a minute. He had time on his contract.

[A]

That's crazy. I didn't know they were allowed to do that.

[B]

So he had. He had money and time on his contract and they can just cut him.

[A]

Wait, but if a player wants to stay and wants more money, but he already signed a contract, he should just shut up and play. Is that how that works?

[B]

Well, there are people that say that, like, you're under contract.

[C]

You got to honor that.

[B]

LaShawn McCoy came into that last year was deal. I think he was getting 6 million.

[C]

And they were like in Buffalo. Do you remember that?

[B]

Yeah, thanks.

[A]

Yeah, that was.

[B]

Right.

[C]

John's second year. No.

[A]

Yeah. No, Josh played one year with him. Josh played one year with him.

[B]

Third year.

[C]

Yeah. Because it was after they broke the playoff and he.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Because it was. Sammy got traded the first year.

[C]

Yes, that was in August.

[B]

And Darby and Sammy Darby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Both got traded.

[C]

Who did you love interviewing?

[A]

Not.

[C]

It was a defensive back. Oh.

[A]

Oh, it's Roby Coleman.

[C]

Yeah. Nikkel Roby Coleman.

[A]

Story inside the locker room of. Roby had a massive Bluetooth speaker and it would sit in the corner and it would be so loud. And I remember after he got traded, like Richie Incognito being like, we gonna send this to Darby or is this for us now? Like, that was kind of the. The joke that went around there. But yeah.

[C]

Oh, no. I thought you were gonna tell the Jimmy Garoppolo.

[A]

Garoppolo didn't know how to say his name.

[C]

I mean, that's fair.

[A]

It was amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it was Brissette Edelman.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or Garoppolo. That was the joke. That was Rex coming out and talking to Walt Patolski.

[B]

Yeah. With the helmet.

[A]

Or Edelman. Walt Patolski. Yep.

[C]

What?

[B]

Roby Coleman, I believe was the defensive back for the Rams on the famous passing. Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The Saints.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Against the Saints.

[A]

When.

[B]

No. No penalty.

[A]

No penalty.

[C]

I think he was. Yeah. All right. Anyways.

[B]

Yeah. So Nahim Hines gets. Gets released. Not a surprise. He did have, I will say, an iconic play in Bill's history.

[C]

Iconic for sure.

[A]

Top five.

[C]

Well, arguably top five.

[B]

Because of the. You. You. In that case, it's. You're setting up the circumstances.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of the game. Because of the. Obviously the demar Hamlin and everything are coming back and to open the game with that is.

[C]

Oh, my gosh, I get chills.

[B]

But he ended up doing it twice, needing to do it twice because the Bills were kind of struggling. Barely beat the Patriots in that game. But two huge plays that he made. No matter how bad the players are, or at least ineffective, they are for Brandon Bean in the overall. When he brings them in, man, they have great returns, don't they? We got it from Hardy this year. Yeah. And Heinz the year.

[A]

So whatever. Whatever signing will fizzle out offensively. Bolby.

[B]

Is what ended up happening. But now, I mean, there's an idea that they bring him back. I think it's certainly possible. I don't know. We don't know what they'll do with Hardy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I would think there's a chance he's gone.

[A]

Special teams is one third of the game.

[B]

No, it's not. I know you don't believe that anymore. You don't believe that one third of the game. Yeah.

[A]

You have offense, defense, and special teams.

[C]

You got to take the one shot of yourself saying, that's one third of the game. Yeah. Saves about 4. And speaking of 6 million on the.

[B]

Cat, before we get to the rest of it, can we bring up what I found from NFL Films?

[A]

Oh, it's great.

[C]

I didn't actually watch the video you sent.

[B]

Well, you will show it. We'll show it right here. But Miami's iron man often played on legs of tin. Six career knee surgeries, or oil changes, as he liked to call them.

[C]

An oil change, as he calls it.

[B]

So you were right.

[C]

That is hilarious.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I don't know how I keep doing it.

[B]

I started laughing. I'm watching this sitting at home.

[C]

Are you okay?

[B]

No, she wasn't home. Good. Because she'd be like, what? Why are you watching old football? Because I miss football.

[C]

It's like the dynasty I was watching.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Zach and I were like, oh, we miss football.

[B]

Yeah, I miss football. Any. I heard that oil change was so good.

[C]

Six knee surgeries calling them oil changes.

[B]

Okay, we're going to go back to NA Hinds again because we have to. I think you're going to see a reboot of some of these now. He was released. That's why I always say. I even said to beam when we were at combine. Like, we talk about free agents, but he has to make decisions on a lot of players.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And because of the way the league works, it's players with contracts left with money on deals. So Hines gone. There'll be other guys who I think they Move on from. Yeah, because next week is when they can start making deals.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Cutting Naim Hines. $4.6 million.

[B]

Poof. Just gone.

[C]

How much are they still over now?

[B]

Well, they'll redo Josh's deal. They'll do Josh's deal this week. They'll be in the plus territory and then they'll Ext.

[A]

Taran or.

[B]

Right. And then they'll.

[A]

Deion.

[B]

They'll. They'll cut a couple of other play. And again, you cut them now, can bring him back. A guy to keep an eye on is Jordan Poyer. That's very fair because you could release him and sign him back again. And that would usually happen at a later time.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

After free agency.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It just could happen.

[A]

So I know they've talked about restructuring that in their contracts. The Bills don't. The players don't have a say. The Bills can work that money around.

[B]

Few of those deals, not every deal, but a few of those are just built that way.

[A]

Cutting Poyer and resigning him like you would also. You cut him like he can go wherever he wants.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That might be another. You let him walk. You bring him back, you cut him and you're expecting him to come back again. That's.

[B]

Well, that might be where you leave yourself open to say, let's see. Doesn't mean they don't sign another. I mean, you know, you never know why teams will do it.

[A]

And I get it. And I think we're split on that decision. I think you think it's more likely that they move on from Poyer.

[B]

I have gone back and forth on Poyer.

[C]

I think it is a, a, I, I coin flip.

[A]

I don't think you can move on from Poyer because I think. I think you're expecting. Preparing for life without Hyde. And if you're bringing in a young player. And look, there are a lot of veteran safeties out there that are hitting the market one after another. Sean. Hearing Sean talk about the safety position, I think it was Joe Biscalia asked him about institutional time knowledge, knowledge of the system. And then you had Sean talking about he played football at William and Mary with Mike Tomlin. I don't know if you guys knew that. And Chris Hogan played lacrosse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As well as Fitzpatrick went to Hartford. Okay, so we're good.

[B]

He got all the good ones. Yeah.

[A]

Trying to instill with a new defensive coordinator, depending on whoever calls the plays. And not having Hyde and poyer on Sean McDermid's defense. I'd argue. I've said it before the Safety position is the most important position in this defense. I think it'd be very surprising to have two new safeties starting.

[C]

Yeah, I. I mean, I definitely see your point for that and what that would mean. I just. I also feel like.

[A]

Face. Look at that.

[B]

My face. I just think you guys are not realizing they let him walk two years.

[A]

Ago when they had Hyde.

[B]

Yeah, but now they're all a couple years older.

[A]

Time works.

[B]

Yeah, but they're going to go out and try to find. I mean, look, there were times. Speed, I'm saying, is at that moment the value of their institutional knowledge. Yes, I know this. The value of their institutional knowledge.

[C]

You're so annoying. Drops back.

[A]

I got him. I got him.

[C]

When the argument's not going your way to act like a child. It was funny.

[A]

It was good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I think you make a very good point. I just think there are times when they're looking at tape.

[A]

Cut his mic.

[B]

At that point, they're making. They're looking at tape and they're saying, is this guy still have what we need him to have to play? A lot of snapshots at that position?

[A]

And I've gotten into arguments with people on Twitter. Shocking. How did that happen about Poyer and people saying that he had a rough year? And we've. We were critical of him at times, saying, like, seeing him miss tackles that we hadn't seen him miss. And some people talked about his body language and things like that, I think.

[B]

Oh, I don't ever think that.

[A]

No. But I think there was also some frustration in Poyer of not playing well. I think he'd be the first one to tell you he didn't have a great season. But we talked about the injuries. All of those things factor into him being asked to do a lot of things that he hadn't done for the previous six years. He played linebacker in dime formation. Like a bunch of other stuff was thrown on Poyer's plate because of that institutional knowledge. Again, I know that you're going to have to move on, and it may be sooner rather than later. And I can see them drafting a safety and hoping to make him be one of the next guys, like a Terrell Bernard, but give him a. Give him some time. I think it's risky to throw two new guys into this. The pool.

[B]

It might be, but. And I'm even in this case, specifically talking about taking that chance to have the cap space to give them flexibility when next week comes around and keeping conversations going if that's the case. And they may think to Themselves. All right. If Jordan goes out there.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And he's free.

[A]

He did it once.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Came back and.

[B]

And we haven't heard from Hyde. He's got to let him know. Maybe he already has and they're going to let him. Whatever. Maybe he already asked. But he. He only has to let him know because they have to make plans for. Without him. But in their mind, they may just be saying, we just got to move on. And then we see what happens.

[A]

Bean said he hadn't talked to him at the combine. He said, like, that's respecting him and giving him his place. But he was going to talk to his agent in Indie.

[C]

Okay. So maybe there will be an update in the coming couple days.

[A]

Man, that was funny.

[C]

That was so funny.

[B]

That's how time works.

[C]

Okay, Dan, you. You mentioned the combine. Any. Any. Any thoughts? Anybody?

[A]

St. Elmos is still elite. I don't want to hear Harry and Izzy's. Like, it's.

[B]

Isn't it owned by the same people?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

It's owned by the same people.

[C]

Hold on, let me look it up. You guys keep talking.

[A]

I know, but people are in the comments like, it's not elite. It's Harry and Izzy's is the best takeouts. It's not.

[B]

I. Let's see. Jenna's gonna look it up. I'm almost positive it's owned by the same people. And listen.

[C]

Owned by. What's the other place called?

[A]

St. Elmos.

[B]

But look, it's just that it's the. It's walking into St. Elmos. You're in indie.

[A]

Yeah, it's cool.

[C]

It's not like we're so. Hughes Culinary is an upscale restaurant and retail food group based in Indianapolis. They currently own and operate six restaurants and four restaurant brands, including St. Elmo Steakhouse, 1933 Lounge, and Harry and Izzy. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. So it's.

[C]

It's according to Google.

[B]

Yeah. Well, we like. Hey, if. When you guys go out there, go to Harry and Izzy's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're going to go to St. Elmo.

[C]

Depending on what you're looking for. St. Elmo's is dark paneling, old school elegance.

[B]

That's what we want.

[C]

Harry and Izzy's is brighter and feels younger.

[A]

Yeah. I imagine it's hard to be older than St. Elmo's.

[B]

So when we go out there. Hold on. I should go to St. Elmos and you go to Harry.

[C]

I think that's why I don't like St. Elmo's. Is. It's so. It's so like, you know.

[A]

No, but it's funny too.

[B]

She slanders the Combine.

[C]

No, I don't.

[A]

Fellow viewer, Ian Gallagher talks about. He goes, is it really that good? Like, is it the best steak you've ever had? It's really. It's a really good steak. But I go, it's the whole ambiance. I go, the waiters are all like in their 60s and suits and they give you like a little bit of jab. It's like they razz you a little bit. Like, guys need anything else? Well, don't. Don't call for me.

[B]

Talk about a guy who has not lost his speed. My buddy Matt. Call him for a beer. Elite speed.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

He's like, hey, bring two when you come by.

[A]

Yeah, we also went to a Pacers game.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Very cool arena.

[B]

Yeah, really nice.

[C]

We went there.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that was cool.

[C]

Well, good.

[A]

That was.

[C]

Survived a scooter, all the highlights.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A bunch of people are on my side with the scooter. They go much faster than you think. And like a bunch of people.

[C]

How do you control the speed?

[A]

It's like a. It almost like a bike bell.

[C]

It's as much. Okay, so you control the speed.

[B]

That's how speed works. Jenna.

[C]

No, I'm asking because Dan seems surprised.

[B]

So here's the funny thing about it is, can you imagine imagine me being the one who fell and then going, well, you know, a lot of people are on my side, cuz they go faster than you think.

[C]

I'm going to support Mike with that.

[B]

I would have been like, hey, old man, how'd you do? Meanwhile, I'm going straight down the middle of the road as.

[A]

As I'm wiping myself up off the ground, I'm the one telling Mike, make sure you end the ride.

[B]

So I did. And then I went upstairs.

[A]

He was gone.

[C]

Yeah, I had fomo.

[B]

Yeah. He wiped out. Oh.

[A]

All the time. She was like, I hate the combine. I hate the Combine.

[C]

I missed you guys. I. I didn't miss the combine as much. The aspect of like, it's just there's sometimes it's a little clicky, in my opinion.

[B]

It is. It is.

[A]

Yeah. You come into the NFL.

[C]

Yeah, I know. I'm not. I don't. It's not really my scene. Dan likes hobnobbing with all the.

[A]

Somebody else said that.

[B]

Hobnobbing. Yeah.

[A]

No, it's called being nice.

[B]

We see everybody. We see it. We see everybody who covers the league, you know, that's out there, or most of them. Then we see them out. Yeah, that's it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It is weird when you see like an NFL HUD coach at a bar and you're like, oh, yeah, he's a normal person.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

[B]

Or just walking down the street, oh, you're Kyle Shanahan.

[A]

Kyle Shanahan. People thought he was Antonio Pierce. Oh, there he is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Brian Dable.

[A]

Brian Dable. Big hug.

[C]

Did you have a story you want to tell?

[A]

Are we talking about, are we doing family? Are we doing.

[C]

Go off King?

[B]

So it's off season, so we figure if you want to tell, you know, because you know. Yeah, whatever you want to say. That's kind of what we'll call it. Whatever you want to say.

[A]

We can recap. We're joke around before we got on air. My household right now is a sitcom. It's. Right now it's a three year old, three and a half year old daughter, Shane. We've talked about her plenty on this episode. She's been on the show when we've recorded Uncle Dan's Best Bets. Things like that. She fell down the stairs yesterday. The sound of a three and a half year old body falling backwards down the stairs is a sobering, terrifying.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Sound.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

As a kid, as a parent. And then to get down there and she's crying and a wife's down there too, and we're trying to make sure that everything is okay. And you're like, are you. What hurts? Where, Where'd you fall? What did you hit? You know, she said she fell halfway up the stairs. She was walking upstairs from the basement, fell back down. And you're trying to make sure she's okay and she's trying to catch her breath. And kids are so resilient because at one second she stops and points to where she left her applesauce pouch from the day before and said, that's where I left my applesauce pouch. And we were like, she's gonna be okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you also have my wife at the same time checking to make sure she has a concussion. Asking a three and a half year old like, who's president? What's the date? Like, what year are we in? Like, she's like, what's your name? She's like, Shane. And you're like, okay. Like, good, good, good. And she's like, check her pupils. It's like, are we. We gotta get in the blue medical tent? Like, what are we doing here and.

[B]

What are we doing?

[A]

So, yeah, so that's, that was, that's a crazy moment. But again, kids bounce back. Our Cat got out. Also that yesterday he ran out the screen porch. I didn't think. My daughter was a huge fan of him. She always says, like, can you take Winston away? Things like that.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, she had a full on meltdown. Full on meltdown. Thought the cat was gone forever.

[B]

Oh, he was in the garage.

[A]

He was in the garage.

[C]

He didn't go anywhere, honey. But yeah. So sweet.

[A]

So it's a sitcom going on while my wife is trying to get rid of every single toxin that's in her house.

[B]

Just keep the bourbon, you'll be fine.

[A]

Yep. She wants to buy a 3, 300 teapot because there's toxins in our teapot for the four times a month we make tea.

[C]

I was gonna say, how many times do you make tea a month?

[A]

I tweeted that. And then her uncle ratted me out to my wife.

[B]

Oh, way to go.

[C]

Why did you leave with that story?

[B]

Yeah, that wasn't uncle.

[A]

She didn't like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The only thing I will say is I got back from Indy, my wife is away with her kids and friends, and they're skiing. I don't ski. I don't ski. I skied. I don't like it. I don't ski. So I'm.

[C]

Can't. People can't hear him talking. That's.

[B]

It's me and the dog. And the mornings I come downstairs. Poor Winnie. Black lab, very good dog. Little wacky. The look of disappointment in her face every day when she realizes it's just me. She's like, got the toy in her mouth, and then she's like, you can just see. If she had shoulders, they would slump because she just looks at me like, oh, it's you.

[A]

It's just you.

[B]

And she's like, all right, at least I'll take the walk. So I severely disappoint someone the minute I wake up in the morning and.

[C]

There'S a joke in there.

[A]

Well done, Jenna.

[B]

But Jenny. When Jenny is driving and is within three miles of the house, this dog senses it and starts going honey crazy.

[C]

Also adorable.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I love Winnie.

[B]

She's a good dog.

[C]

I love when she does the little butt waggles. Yeah, she gets excited.

[B]

Be very excited. So she. Jenny's coming out. She'll be very excited. Me, not so much.

[C]

All right, I guess. Well, no, I. So we. Zach, my fiance and I, we were on a walk in our neighborhood the.

[A]

Other day, and she wearing the ring today. Good for her.

[C]

I forgot it. On Sunday, I got it. I got it. Or on Saturday, I got an email it's over already. No, they were like, I saw you weren't wearing your ring. I was like, wow. Yeah, you were right. But also just forgot to put it on. So we were walking around our neighborhood, and there was. We go on walks all the time. There was a guy walking a dog, like, probably, you know, a hundred feet away. Not super far, but, like, 30 yards. 30 yards. Okay. I'm not. I'm not great at that.

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And could you throw a football to him?

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I couldn't. Zach could.

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Okay, so good reference.

[C]

So we kind of, you know, do the wave, and then he flips us off. We're like, what? We're like, what? And then we keep walking. He's on the other side. We're, like, walking towards him. And he was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I thought you were my friend.

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I love that.

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He was like, I love that.

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I love that.

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And he was like, oh, my. He, like, was losing his cool. And then he recognized me from work, and he was like, oh, my God. I flipped off Jenna from Channel 3.

[A]

That's awesome.

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We were laughing. So now I. We have a nice little friend wave. Next time we see him in the neighborhood, just flip between.

[A]

Have you ever done that where you're, like, at a bar or restaurant, you're like, hey. And then it's not your person and you just, like, go past them?

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You're like, oh, no.

[B]

Yeah. That doesn't work, by the way. Yeah, yeah, they know right away.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't matter. Catalog will just talk to anybody.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

He'll just be like, hey, people ask for Mike's autograph.

[C]

Like, oh, my God, he recognized me from the crowd.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That's the way it works, you know? So. Well, there's that. Yeah. I feel like it's fun to share a little bit of what goes on.

[B]

Especially in our life. You know, we'll talk a little bit more during the season about. Or we can even talk during the off season about some of the things have happened. Come on, travel.

[A]

Come on, Dan. She's useless.

[C]

Oh, well, that was not about me.

[B]

No.

[C]

For the record, although probably behind.

[A]

That was also my first. That was also my, like, first offseason with Mike.

[B]

So next week.

[C]

How many years have you worked with Mike?

[A]

20. 19. Because the Houston playoff game. Playoff game was my first, which may.

[B]

Have coincided with she's useless.

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Us.

[B]

We'll tell that story next week.

[C]

I thought that was New Orleans.

[A]

No, no, it was. No, Mike has. Mike has said that line a couple times, but there Was. It was. The origin was.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

At a inopportune time.

[C]

That's hilarious.

[B]

There's moments I just become Larry David. Yeah.

[C]

It's very free.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's very freeing. When I'm out of town.

[A]

When you're out of town because you can't go anywhere with Mike and Rochester without somebody recognizing you. Things like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Mike gets out of New York, filters off.

[B]

Not.

[C]

Well, no. In London you were fine.

[B]

Yeah, but we would get recognized in London.

[C]

Yeah, we would. Yeah. Which was pretty wild.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you know I just celebrated my anniversary at Wham.

[B]

Yes. How many years it's been.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Two.

[C]

Yeah, technically.

[B]

Oh, see, I ruined your joke.

[C]

Yeah. Well, no, I mean, I didn't know if you would know.

[B]

She started on February 29th.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She's a leap year baby.

[C]

Yes. It's been eight years.

[A]

He broke a camera two weeks in.

[C]

Yeah. I thought I was gonna get fired. Literally. Called Mike and apologized, said thank you.

[B]

She's like, except for breaking the camera and I'm laughing and she goes, no, I broke the camera.

[C]

I literally was like, I really appreciate this opportunity to work at wham, dumbass.

[B]

I'm still here.

[C]

All right. Can't get rid of me. All right. For Mike and Dan, I'm Jenna. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe. Subscribe again. We passed 30,000. We so much appreciate it. Thank you. To everyone who watches, subscribes, please be sure to share as well. If there's people, you know that Bill's fans would like to hear from us.

[B]

And make sure you listen audio podcast too. You're getting this. They'll be up every Tuesday morning unless there's breaking news. They very well may be breaking news next week, depending on free agency and how it goes. But during the off season, expect Tuesday mornings podcast both on YouTube and on our all our audio platform.

[A]

Anything from the combine, it's up there as well.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Plenty of video.

[C]

Such good stuff up there. So, yeah. Thank you for watching. Please be sure to again, like, comment and subscribe. For Mike and Dan, I'm Jenna. We'll catch you next time here on Buffalo plus, presented by Connors and Ferris.

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