What's the BILLS' offseason PLAN on OFFENSE: Connor MCGOVERN & Dawson KNOX + Life ADVICE

Summary

Buffalo Plus Podcast Episode Summary Episode: What's the BILLS' offseason PLAN on OFFENSE: Connor MCGOVERN & Dawson KNOX + Life ADVICE
Date: March 5, 2026
Panel: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Buffalo Bills' offseason strategy on the offensive side of the ball. The team discusses contract situations for key offensive linemen, the tricky wide receiver room, tight end conundrums, and running back stability. They offer plenty of insight, insider anecdotes, and a healthy dose of the podcast’s trademark humor. The end of the episode features their "Life Advice" segment, tackling listener questions on family, thermostats, and career uncertainty.

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NFL News & Chiefs-Rams Trade

(00:36–11:01)

Key Topics

• Chiefs Trade DB Trent McDuffie to Rams:

  • Rams receive McDuffie and reportedly will make him one of the league's highest-paid corners.
  • Chiefs get four picks, including #29 overall, now holding #9 and #29 in the first round.
  • Players' reactions (Mahomes: “Damn.”— 04:52).

• Discussion on McDuffie’s Fit:

  • Panel skepticism if McDuffie will flourish outside after excelling in the slot.
  • Carl Jones (ex-Syracuse DB) weighs in: “If you had the size and speed, they would never put you in the slot to begin with.” (06:21)

• Rams’ Boldness in Team Building:

  • Admiration for Rams “F-them-picks” approach, willingness to take swings, and skill in drafting and trading.
  • Jenna: “They’re not afraid to make moves. They’re all about adding for now and figuring it out down the line.” (08:55)

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Buffalo Bills Offensive Line Contracts & Questions

(11:43–31:38)

Conor McGovern's Future

• Report by Tim Graham:

  • McGovern hasn’t been contacted by the Bills (12:21).
  • Jenna: “To not have had communication with the team in two months or a month and a half, that is what is shocking to me.” (13:32)
  • Mike: “...the quote to me sounds like I haven’t heard a word from the Bills since I left there.” (12:49)
  • McGovern's market value: $16.3M/year. Unlikely to re-sign, but panel surprised there’s zero dialogue.

• Offensive Line as ‘Plan A’:

  • “If you don’t have the skill position players, your Plan A has been James Cook and the offensive line.” — Dan (18:19)
  • Panel expresses concern that letting McGovern and/or Edwards go would break up a rare team strength.

Other Offensive Line Notes

• David Edwards:

  • UFA, age 29, market value $19.9M/year — likely gone despite strong performance (26:59).

• Osiris Torrence:

  • Extension candidate, final rookie year, 99.73% snap count, $13.1M/year projected. Panel urges an early deal.

• Dion Dawkins & Others:

  • Possibility for Dawkins restructure due to age (turning 32) and cap hit.

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Wide Receiver Room: Big Questions and Limited Answers

(31:44–42:41)

Main Points

• Khalil Shakir:

  • Recent ankle surgery—he's developing, but panel debates if that's enough (24:08, 46:56).

• Josh Palmer:

  • Underwhelmed due to injury; panel not convinced he fits. Jenna: “I do just worry about his fit.” (33:18)
  • Dan: “I’m giving Palmer the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not buying any stock in Palmer.” (35:41)

• Curtis Samuel:

  • Likely cap casualty; noted as a “swing” but not the big kind Buffalo needs (36:11).

• Keon Coleman:

  • FO publicly supportive, but trust is thin. Dan vows not to overhype good training camp reps (41:04).
  • Potentially shopped for a Day 2 pick, but Mike notes, “You're using Keon to move up... you're using it to move up so you can say you got a Day 2 pick, and you did—but you gave up a Day early three pick and you gave up the player.” (39:38)

• Potential Additions:

  • Panel (Mike and Dan) advocates for a real “top” WR acquisition, referencing Mike Evans as a great fit if price is right and injury history is considered in negotiations.
  • Mike on Evans: “He’s a dog. I think he is a Hall of Fame wide receiver.” (44:17)

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Tight End Situation: The Knox-Kincaid Dilemma

(42:42–52:55)

Dalton Kincaid

• Fifth-year option:
  • Dalton had a torn PCL; no surgery planned. 12 games, 39 catches, 5 TDs.
  • Panel uncertain if he’ll be extended long-term due to injuries.
  • Dan: “There needs to be more of a sample size, more of an impact…” (48:57)
  • Kincaid’s run-blocking still subpar—limits offense’s versatility.

Dawson Knox

• Restructure or Release?
  • Cap hit: $17M; Dead cap: $7.4M.
  • Mike: “Bills are going to make him take a cut… Bean had to admit he’s overpaid.” (50:19)
  • Setting up for a Milano-type restructure.

Other Notes

• Jackson Hawes emerging as a quality blocking TE and potential sleeper.
• Panel agrees: Kincaid and Knox both valued by Josh Allen for chemistry, but major retooling possible.

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Running Backs & Quarterback

• RB Room (53:13)

  • James Cook: Stable, valuable.
  • Ty Johnson: Underused, still offers value, especially in passing game.
  • Ray Davis: Strong young return options.
  • Reggie Gilliam (FB): Would bring back for his “tush push” role.

• QB2: Mitch Trubisky

  • Could return, but Dan objects to paying him starter-level backup money; find value instead.

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Life Advice Segment

(55:01–74:14; Highlights only)

Family Relationships & Boundaries

• Question: How much should parents initiate family involvement in their child’s life if extended family doesn’t reciprocate?
• Consensus:
  • Don’t force it; open invitation policy is best.
  • Jenna: “I always feel like I don’t want to be a burden... had to kind of get over [asking].” (59:04)
  • Dan: “There’s always times where we do say to my mom, would you like to see the girls... sometimes we initiate.” (57:04)
  • Communication and flexibility are key.

Thermostat Wars

• Question: What temperature do you set, do you change it while away, etc?
• Revealed Home Temps:
  • Mike: 66°F.
  • Jenna: 65–68°F (but 74°F in hotels!).
  • Dan: 67°F, wife would like 73°F.
• General consensus: comfort, not cost-saving, tends to win.

Career Uncertainty & Interviews

• Question: How to handle job interviews/career decisions after a bad interview experience and post-layoff?

• Advice:

  • Mike: “Don’t try to be perfect in an interview. Try to be yourself as much as possible. Try not to overthink it.” (68:17)
  • Jenna: “Think of it as shots on goal… Even if you don’t get the job, it’s a shot on goal.” (68:43)
  • Dan: “I may be an oversharer, but I’d just say, ‘I'm nervous’—don’t shy away from that.” (70:16)

• On career direction:

  • Figure out priorities (money, passion, flexibility) and aim for growth opportunities, not perfection.
  • “Every job has its downsides, even ones you love.” — Mike (74:25)
  • A respectful, supportive mentor early in your career is invaluable.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike on the never-ending NFL season:
  “It’s not the offseason. It’s the non-playing season in the NFL.” (02:22)
• Jenna on Rams’ aggression:
  “They’re all about adding for now and figuring it out down the line.” (08:55)
• Dan spelling ‘serendipitous’… almost:
  Dan’s spelling bee: “Serendipitous. S, E, R E, N, D I, P, I, T, U, O, S… ah!” (15:30)
• On offensive line departures:
  “You take a massive strength… that is [Josh Allen’s] security blanket.” – Mike (23:57)
• Mike on Mike Evans:
  “He’s a dog. I think he is a Hall of Fame wide receiver.” (44:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

00:36 – NFL News & McDuffie Trade
11:43 – Bills Offensive Line Future
31:44 – Wide Receivers: Palmer, Keon, Samuel
42:42 – Tight End Contracts
53:13 – Running Backs & QB
55:01 – Life Advice: Family Boundaries
63:32 – Life Advice: Thermostat Debates
66:53 – Life Advice: Career Uncertainty
74:14 – Closing banter

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Overall Tone & Style

True to Buffalo Plus’ form, the discussion is fast-paced, playful, and heavy on honest analysis. The hosts rib each other, acknowledge their own biases, and keep things accessible for both diehard Bills fans and casual listeners. The episode offers a thorough breakdown of Buffalo’s offensive roster decisions with laughs and practical life advice for listeners.

Transcript

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You guys say that Khalil Shakir is. I think it's more.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute.

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Well, wait a minute.

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Hold on, hold on. Well, we didn't say he was.

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Ma', am, ma', am, please. Okay, pull your take to the side of the road.

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You just.

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Now from the Connors and Ferris podcast podcast studio.

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This is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[A]

All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalon, I, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like comment, subscribe and share. We are here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio. Today we are talking about and taking a look at some of the offensive contracts for the Bills. Coming up, free agents if the Bills resign them, restructures if the Bills cut certain guys. We're also going to do Life Advice but we're also going to talk about what happened today in the NFL as the Rams and Chiefs making a trade. The Chiefs sending Trent McDuffie to LA and the Rams getting back four picks in exchange including the Air first round pick which was 29th overall.

[C]

The league year is getting turned up. We're going to talk thermostats coming up later in Life Advice.

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Yes.

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Oh, look at you.

[C]

So I just mixing the two together like Jenna, I know we got to the news and we will get to that. Life Advice has turned into one of our, I think personally like all three of us, one of our. One of our favorite segments to do. Hey, buffaloplus gmail.com you can even remain anonymous because we have an anonymous one in today. But we've got.

[B]

So this is the time I'm gonna say this and I'm not lying about it. My idea.

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Yes. Yeah. Yes, that is true.

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Now you guys know about Life Advice but it's my idea to bring it

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here to the pod.

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Yeah, I got one.

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We have a response to one that we've already done.

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Yeah.

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You guys remember the structure that was built in the backyard? Bill's bar, the Bills bar that was built in the backyard.

[B]

Really nice response.

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Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

So that's all that stuff coming up. And again, appreciate all the support that we've had on Life Advice and even the content. I've had a couple people reach out to me and just was saying like it was great that all three of us were able to do the pod when we were in indie and so much of love the. The combine content, all that stuff. And yeah, Angry Sal was even on.

[B]

Yes, Sal Mayorana. He's very happy to be part of Buffalo plus not just holding our microphone. I was thinking more and more as we talk about stuff, it really is the. It's not the off season. It's the non playing season in the NFL.

[A]

That's a really good point.

[B]

It just. There's times when there's really nothing, but those are so rare. It's basically what a little bit of May to after the schedule comes out till kind of till training camp. That's when it.

[A]

Oh, the draft is in April.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I would say June. But June is OTAs. Like the NFL has done a great job of having there be content to talk about all year long. I would say July.

[B]

July is when everybody in the league takes a vacation.

[A]

Correct. Including us.

[C]

Yeah. But it was great too because I saw it when this tweet broke. Schefter had it. Well, everybody had it. But the trade between the Rams and the Chiefs. I saw an NHL insider that was like, come on, Shefter, it's NHL trade deadline. Like you can't be doing this. And it goes right to your. That the NFL just takes over.

[A]

Everything just dominates.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you saw that, were you surprised? So Rams trading for Trent McDuffie in exchange four picks, including the number 29th overall pick. So the Chiefs will have two picks in the first round coming up.

[B]

McDuffie's very good player. He's a. He is a slot player. That is his strength. And you know, I think it's tough for the Chiefs because, you know, they're paying their quarterback. He makes a lot of money. Mahomes.

[C]

How long were you waiting to say that? Like we are. We're three minutes into the pod.

[B]

What did I text you guys this morning? I can't wait for the podcast today.

[A]

You did. And that was before.

[B]

Oh, I had that line about something else, but it's too perfect for this. But I will say with Trent McDuffie, I don't know if they were willing to pay him like a. Almost like a number one corner because he's on the inside. I don't see him as an outside corner. I know he's played there. I don't see him as a star there. He's really good there. And the Rams have. You know, the Rams are in a little different place too with the age of Stafford. He's coming back. They have another number one pick. Right.

[C]

Because flee the Falcons.

[B]

Yeah, they did. And so they're making this move. They need that position too in their secondary. The Rams did. So I saw Mahomes did tweet. Damn. Damn was all he said.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah. And I guess you could take this out another step and say, you know, Mahomes is coming back off this injury. They've had some things they've dealt with with the cap. If you're Kelsey, it would be an odd thing if you said not, I wouldn't say punting on the season, but using this as a bit of a reset because Kelsey's going to come back. Like, I don't think he's coming back for a reset season. Yeah, but. And I don't think they're really doing that. I don't know, Dan, I don't know what you think. I don't know if they really were in on paying McDuffie at some point.

[C]

It doesn't appear to be that way. And I was asking, seems like we bring him up on every show, but I was asking Carl Jones again, Carl,

[B]

why don't you just come on the show?

[C]

We just see Carl, but I don't

[B]

worry about what the company.

[C]

We had a group text and it was one of the things where I was like, he's like, man, I can't believe he's going to get paid to. To that extent. Like, you know, the reports are he wants not only do the Rams trade for him, they are going to have to work out a new deal for his contract. And obviously the agents coming out saying he wants to get paid like a. One of the three highest paid corners in the league. So it's going to start with a three to begin with.

[B]

Right. But the. Jenna, what I was going to say is the Rams have to already know this.

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Right?

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They already have to have.

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Correct.

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They're planning on that.

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They already have the parameters of a deal set with McDuffie.

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Right.

[B]

You're not giving up all that just

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to have be like, so what do you want?

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Because he's going in his fifth year option, Right?

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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So I was asking Carl, who played defensive back at Syracuse, and you know, the Rams need some help in their secondary. And my dumb football brain was thinking that if you can be in the slot, wide receivers can go left and right, you know, like, like the whole field is open in the slot. And I said, if you had the size and speed, wouldn't it be an easier transition to move outside? Because in theory you have the sideline as a wall defender. Carl very politely said the sideline really doesn't matter all that much. And if you had the size and speed, they would never put you in the slot to begin with. So he thinks it is going to be a tough transition. I respect Carl's opinion from playing Division one football and knowing more about what it's like to be a corner from in the slot and on the outside. But if the Rams are saying, you know, desperate and they may again, everybody is going to evaluate players differently, maybe they see him as more of the help that they need on the outside. Because I don't see you paying 30 plus million dollars APY for a slot corner.

[B]

Jenna, you know what's interesting about it is the Kyer Elam year. You know, the Bills were at least by a lot of reports, we're planning on trying to get McDuffie.

[A]

Yeah.

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Who ends up being a really good slot corner. Not as good playing on the outside. Taron Johnson was in his prime as a player then. So it would have been interesting to see how McDuffie would have done if the Bills would have gotten. Certainly he would have done better than Kyer Elam.

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Yes.

[B]

But the Chiefs jumped.

[C]

Take there, Mike.

[B]

Yeah, sorry. You know, I. I come up with those every once in a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So very interesting year for the Chiefs in terms.

[A]

No, it is true because they are top 10 pick. Earlier on we already knew this because of them missing the playoffs and how poorly this last season went. But you're right, it does kind of have that feel of is this another retooling year and if you're Travis Kelce, is that what you want?

[B]

Yeah. And Mahomes went in his recovery and this is trading McDuffie and getting a pretty good return for him.

[A]

Yes. So you do get a haulback.

[B]

And to your point, they have that high pick which I think they're going to go for a pass rusher, I would think.

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I would imagine.

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Yeah.

[A]

I mean you would think that. How many more opportunities will they be top 10.

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Right.

[A]

But also you mentioned Mahomes's recovery. What will that look like? Yeah, I just love the way the Rams operate though. Like I really feel like they take big swings, they're not afraid to make moves. They're all about adding for now and figuring it out down the line. And I mean I know like the. The line like F them picks but Dan, it's. It's kind of cool to see a team be as aggressive as they have been. Especially, you know, maybe because it's already paid off. You could say like, hey, we have a plan and this has worked, but it's just fun to watch.

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Yeah. It's been F them picks, as Les need has said, and it's worked. And it's also worked when they've had

[B]

the pick that's what I was just gonna say. They get like verse.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Their D line, like D lines all drafted really good.

[C]

Helps when you hit on a stud fifth one round wide receiver.

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I again, I think that that will become. So they don't go to the combine.

[C]

This has nothing to do with that.

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They're good at drafting.

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They are. I would say this. This year. Know it's. That's been a McVeigh thing. There's two. Two teams that didn't go there and the Jags don't have a first round pick this year either.

[A]

And also the guy comes from.

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They. They are Rams guys. I. Yeah. I think the. A lot of the pluses, you know, sometimes people are talking about the combine is people are doing less in drills and all. I still think that is a much lesser thing for the teams than it is the first opportunity to talk to the players.

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Agreed. What I just looked it up. Do you know McDuffie's size? Like what his height and weight is?

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No.

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511. 190.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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It's still bigger than Max Hairston now. Again, Max has the speed to be on the outside. But it is funny where you, you sometimes think of stereotypical body types for such positions. We've talked about arm length, we talked about hand size for quarterbacks, all those kind of things. And you sit there and you're like, oh, Trent McDuffie is. Must be a smaller guy. 5' 11, 190. Is Trey White size?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like.

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Yeah.

[C]

So again, there's more that goes into it than just the measurables. A lot more goes into it. It was just one of those. Oh, I.

[B]

He's.

[C]

I guess I would have thought he was like 5, 9. And it has seemingly made so many plays against the Bills in so many

[B]

spots at Dan's height, he looks down at a lot of people.

[C]

I. Towering over people at the combine.

[A]

I do, I do feel bad because you. That was a bad look. Like Joe Barry's just a tall man.

[B]

Wow. He's pushing. I know. Look at.

[C]

You're going back to Brady like Joe is.

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That's what I'm saying. It said it's a bad look for you. That's a tough spot to be in.

[B]

I gave him the option of who he was going to do the one on one with. He took Brady.

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Yeah.

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I took Bean. Yeah.

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I was just saying there's. How many times have we said I'm a tall woman? There's times where I look like Aaron Judge next to Jose Altuve because my Friends are teeny. In pictures.

[C]

You would have looked like Aaron Judge at the combine.

[B]

Yes. A lot of short dudes running around that place.

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There were a lot.

[A]

Okay. All right, let's get into the.

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Let's go talk about the Bills.

[A]

Let's talk about the Bills. All right, let's. We're. Today we did already the defense looking at those contracts. Now we're going to do the offense and we're going to start with O line.

[B]

Yeah. Why not?

[A]

Because, first of all, normally, not probably not where we would start. But an interesting report out today from Tim Graham from the Athletics saying that the bills, Conor McGovern hasn't even heard from Brandon Bean, leading to the UFA center to believe his Bill's tenure is, quote, over and done. That is an article by Tim Graham, great reporting from the Athletic. But he's saying that Conor McGovern and the bills and Bean haven't talked.

[B]

So I do believe that they talked during the year and I think that was the point of it. Since his exit interview, which a lot of stuff happened from the exit interviews, but since his exit interview, I do believe he said that. Was the quote there. Not a word. I think the. The full quote was like, meaning like, they haven't had an offer. They could say we haven't had negotiations and whatever. I. I think part of.

[A]

They haven't contacted me once.

[B]

Yeah. Haven't contacted me once. That surprises me a little bit. Not that you don't say, hey, listen, this guy's going to get paid, we're going to move on and whatever it is. You never know how things work out. He could get into the open market and for some reason the money's not there or somebody else gets signed, whatever it is. And you would think there'd be some back and forth and there may still be. I mean, stranger things have happened. We hear this. The fact that he would reference that didn't hit me as much that they're not going to resign him because I really didn't believe they were going to resign. It just hit me as much that that quote to me sounds like I haven't heard a word from the Bills since I left there.

[A]

That's what surprised me. I wasn't. I'm not surprised if Conor McGovern finds another team because his market value is 16.3 million a season. Like he's. He would be expensive. But to not have had communication with the team in two months or a month and a half, that is what is shocking to me.

[B]

And it in some way that quote I mean, I may have been over reading the quote, obviously impacting him a little bit. Probably thinking, like, geez, I expect somebody would have checked in with me. It's fine if that's business and they move on. But he's a very important player to them. Filled that role. Went from guard, very good. Signing that, great job for Bean to get him and then moving him to center all worked. Now you got a new O line coach, new center, maybe a new guard. We'll see what ends up happening. Oh, here comes the take. Oh, what do you got, Windhorst?

[C]

This is. Goes back to what we talked about in the last video. Like, it's very. It's almost like people are watching Buffalo. Plus, they saw our debate about Alec Anderson and Conor McGovern, and then all of a sudden, this story comes out. It's just very fitting.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Did anybody else not see the irony in it?

[A]

I don't know. I don't really.

[B]

I don't get it.

[A]

I don't really get it.

[C]

We talked about it, and then this story comes out. No, I guess I just think it's like that. Serendipitous.

[A]

Yeah. I just feel like that's we're topical.

[C]

Don't even try.

[A]

No, yeah, absolutely.

[B]

We got a lot to talk about.

[A]

That's a pretty easy word.

[B]

No chance. No, no, no.

[A]

He can write it down. He needs all the help he can get.

[C]

Talk amongst yourselves.

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

I don't think it was. I don't think it was ironic. I think it's just topical. And with the league New year coming up.

[B]

This is hilarious. Watching.

[C]

Okay, ready?

[B]

Okay. Wrong.

[A]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[B]

Are you. Now she's checking to make sure she's got it right. Okay, go ahead.

[C]

Okay. Serendipitous. S, E, R E, N, D I, P, I, T, U, O, S. Oh, right there.

[B]

So close.

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Oh, us.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Are you kidding me?

[B]

You were. You know what you were. You were Brandon Cooks on that last pass. So close to a catch.

[A]

So close. I told you.

[B]

First of all, no word is spelled U O, S. Not a single word in the dictionary.

[A]

Like Laos. I don't know.

[C]

I was so close.

[B]

Yeah, it's so close, yet so far. You were. You were right there. And as he's going. I was like, he's gonna do it.

[A]

That's why I was like, I think he could spell this right at the end.

[C]

Dude,

[A]

did you do that on purpose?

[C]

No, no.

[B]

He has it spelled that way.

[C]

Yeah, it's like Rudy. He's on the field. He looks so little out there.

[B]

What does he do?

[C]

Stay out there?

[B]

Yes. People have been talking, but they've been talking about it. I guess it was just the idea that he said to Tim, I haven't heard a word from them.

[A]

Yeah, I guess, because my impression would be that while we hadn't heard anything, we haven't heard really anything about restructuring or cuts or anything like that. You would think, like to think that behind the scenes there are those conversations going on. And the reality is Conor McGovern has probably priced himself out of being in Buffalo. But. But I think that there would be understandably a conversation had of like, what's your number? Where are you at? What are you thinking? Where's your head at? That way? Because Conor McGovern is someone that has made money in his career, and he's been pretty open about wanting to be back with the Bills that you could set up the framework of, like, hey, if you. And he even says in the article, like, I have this number in mind. I just feel like it's pretty surprising

[B]

that there hasn't been any communication in the article. I don't know if you saw the whole thing. He says Aaron Cromer, when he was working with him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

His line to the players was, I'm going to make you so good that the Bills can't afford you anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's cool.

[A]

Also. What a bar by Aaron Cromer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's a bar right there.

[B]

And there he's got it with probably two of the guys. Yeah. If that ends up being what happens with Edwards.

[A]

Yeah. It's just interesting. No, Nothing like from McGovern or even his agent.

[B]

Maybe this is the step. Maybe the next step is the two guards get signed, a restructure or re. Extension for. And then. And then you make the move. You know, with Edwards at guard and able to resign him. I don't know.

[C]

And maybe it's just, you know, basing off the last few off seasons where the Bills haven't been able to land that key marquee skill position player that we've kind of become numb to. All right. They may not get this guy or that guy. But I thought you made a really good point on the last video we did on Monday where you said the offensive line has been the Bills fastball.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So if you don't have the skill position players, your. Your plan A has been James Cook and the offensive line. And again, I do not believe that the offensive line took that much of a step back where Josh was Sacked more than he's ever been before. I think that was more on literally the wide receivers not getting open, the struggling with Josh forcing things at times. I think that is more than deon or Connor McGovern didn't have good years. I think there's still a top three offensive line. If they could run it back, there'd be a top three offensive line in football. And to break that up and not shown the ability to find wide receiver talent in the draft or sign it, I guess is my cause for concern of.

[B]

Well, what, you know, what's the plan here? What's the plan? Right. That's what you got to say? And is it? By the way, I also want to say this. If he is the guy, maybe he becomes the guy. I don't want to say Cedric Van Pran Granger. So I was thinking svp.

[A]

Svp. I like.

[C]

Yeah, svp. We can go.

[B]

So. So for Buffalo. Plus, he's svp, not Scott Van Pelt. I know that, but it works. VPG does, but it's not as easy to say he's svp. Cedric Van Pran Granger. Svp.

[C]

Cvp.

[A]

No, it's an S. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

It is.

[C]

Are we sure?

[A]

Yes, I'm positive. Se.

[C]

I would have misspelled that.

[A]

Well, I feel like it's common to see Cedric with a C as well, but it is with it.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Because I. We just did that little bit and then I was like, those initials don't even line up.

[B]

You even misspell.

[A]

No, but I. I understand.

[C]

Have my back here.

[A]

I. I agree with you. Cedric can be spelled more than one.

[B]

Anytime I hear somebody try to say his name, they. They.

[C]

There's a pause.

[A]

Cedric Van Prine Granger.

[B]

Oh, thank you. Show off.

[A]

I am the host of the show.

[B]

Anyhow. So what is the plan? Is the plan. Now, listen, if you tell me that they bring Edwards back and which Torrance there's the plan to.

[A]

Edwards is going to be so expensive.

[B]

He is. But are you going to let them both go?

[A]

I think so. I'd be very curious. Well, if you're concerned about money.

[B]

But this is like to Dan's point and your point before this is this is not the place like Josh. You could say all you want to Josh. Can I make it work with receivers? Man, he trusts those guys in front of him.

[A]

Yeah, that's very true.

[C]

If Cromer was coming back, I'd feel different.

[B]

Yeah, agreed.

[C]

It's the change. Also at the coaching position.

[A]

That coaching position.

[B]

Yeah. Did I say coach from Ball Philly. Really? Yeah. Gave a little affiliate. No, you're right.

[C]

But like, that's where I don't have the confidence as I didn't know who Conor McGovern was before he got to Buffalo. And just like Cromer said, I'm going to make you so good. Are you going to make SVP that good? Are you going to make. And that'll may work. Like we talked last video that Alec Anderson may be the backup plan. Maybe that's the wind horse fingers of. Hey, this is their plan. They did it before where they let Mitch Morris go and everybody was like, I can't believe that it ended up working out so like.

[B]

But I know. I pause for one second. They did it with a guy who was already playing every down next to him.

[C]

I agree. But you're still.

[B]

You're still svp. Was not playing.

[C]

Agreed. I think it's more likely that it's Alec Anderson.

[B]

That's probably right.

[C]

But I'm just saying, like, I don't want it to come across as pessimistic. This is a terrible. This is terminal. It's just us asking, what's the plan? Yeah, that's where I see this more as. More than this can't work. I have my concerns because of the change with Kromer, because of the change with everything else, because the offensive line has been their fastball. That's where I'm sitting there. And we're all going, what's the plan?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Cedric Van Pran Granger snap percentages, he played 8.57 on offense, 13.13% of special team snaps, whereas Alec Anderson played 16.7% in offense and. And 29.26% specialty snaps. So these are both guys that I have not. I mean, Conor McGovern played 91% of the snaps last season.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And again, that doesn't mean that it can't work. I just. I. It's a little befuddling.

[B]

It's a good word.

[A]

But it.

[B]

He's gonna try again.

[A]

But it is that you've. You've had someone that's been a piece of your success that has made it clear that he would love to be back in Buffalo. To not even have the conversation. That is where it's befuddling.

[B]

This is where you have to have faith, and that's to Dan's point of the change in coaches, but you have to have faith that you can do it internally or there's another route to go. There are veterans that are going to be out there on one Year deals sometimes where you could bring somebody in.

[A]

Yes. I'm not saying it can't work. And I think we. We've all said that this doesn't mean it can't work. It's just. Again, the word I'm going to come back to is a little. It's befuddling.

[B]

You take a. I think you're right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You take a massive strength. Now, I know when you were saying is their number one thing in their fastballs, the offensive line obviously pass Josh as like we say.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

But that's what. For Josh. That is like.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

That is his. That is his security blanket. Is his offensive line likes and trusts them like they're together.

[C]

So speaking of his other security blanket, Close. Shagir had apparently ankle surgery.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

He didn't tell us. It is funny.

[C]

Even Renee saw the picture and was like, hey, that guy in the Bills, he had a picture with his baby and the dog. And the dog.

[B]

Yeah. It is something has. There is surgery season now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because these guys take such a beating, by the way, even in that. Did you see whatever Connor McGovern was saying about mangled his hand in the Houston game? Right.

[A]

There were so many times that I was like, there's no way Connor McGovern is going to walk back out on the field. 100 every time. Like. And that's something you don't see on the broadcast, but that a grown man getting up. And I'm like, there's no way that guy's gonna be back out there.

[B]

Brutal for the line. He was hurt. Brown was hurt. And Dion played the game with a concussion.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

Spencer played that game with one arm.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Trying to block Will Anderson.

[A]

It was.

[B]

And after all that mess, they still could have won the game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's another story.

[A]

Yeah. He tore some ligaments and broke his knuckle.

[B]

And he said, no, no bad snaps from that point on.

[A]

Yeah. Which I was like, respect. Yeah.

[C]

Dog.

[A]

Yeah. He was on the injury report for an ankle issue.

[C]

Yeah. I'm with you. From. From how many times we follow Josh off the field just from the sidelines. There have been multiple times where I'm like, yeah, McGovern's not going back out there. And he's back out there.

[A]

Yeah. And you're like, oh, my gosh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I. I just.

[B]

It is interesting. He says they didn't put it on the injury list.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he was going to practice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think if you practice. If you're not going to miss practice.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Because they're all banged up at some point, but yeah, that one's pretty substantial, so.

[A]

Yeah, he's a great cook, too.

[B]

Yeah. Pizza guy pizzas.

[A]

Chocolate chip cookies.

[B]

He does the flaky salt brown butter, too.

[A]

I've talked with him. Yeah.

[B]

About it.

[A]

Because that's.

[B]

Of course you did.

[A]

I love me. I love baking.

[C]

Jenna Crocker.

[A]

I just made raspberry bars, which didn't bring any in. Well, no, it's my mother in law's birthday, so I made raspberry bars with.

[C]

So where are. We've never gotten really any of this.

[A]

You don't really like sweets. Is that not a fact?

[C]

I don't like sweets.

[A]

And you were always like, I shouldn't eat this.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I don't make it for you.

[B]

It would be nice to be off,

[A]

so you don't eat it.

[B]

I brought you guys butterscotch crickets today.

[A]

Yeah, we gotta try those. Did you see that?

[C]

Jenny's muffins are incredible.

[B]

Yeah, that's what she. We. We do bring those, she says.

[C]

And I bring leftovers of every party that our kids have. I always bring those in.

[A]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[C]

Yeah, start bringing them in.

[A]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I hate when people apologize like that, that. I'm sorry you feel that way. Okay, next person. Well, we kind of touched on David Edwards. Under or Ufa this season. 29 years old. Market value 19.9 million a season per spot track.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, I think he's gone.

[C]

He was awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Very good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Good to talk to on Thursdays, the couple Thursdays that we went up there. Yeah, yeah, they're Thursdays up there. I don't know what's going on. He was really, like, insightful last time

[B]

he blamed it on his ear.

[A]

I can't hear you.

[B]

Can't hear.

[C]

No, I was hearing everything.

[B]

Also, though, he has a terrible take that he loves talk about pizza.

[C]

Oh, he likes deep dish.

[B]

Yeah. He's a Chicago guy. He and I have talked about Chicago. My brother did some work with his. His mother worked for McDonald's. Big executive at McDonald's. And we talked about. And then we got talking about deep dish pizza, which is bad. And he loves it. Chicago guy.

[C]

It's lasagna.

[A]

I don't know if I've ever had it.

[B]

You wouldn't like it.

[A]

I don't. I'm not a picky eater. All right. Osiris Torrance. Extend extension eligible final year of rookie deal.

[C]

Extend them.

[B]

Unless he's sitting there going now again. He Would be, he would be a candidate for franchise tag if you got to that point. If he didn't want the extension.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

But I, I, I'd get it. If you're gonna get it done, you got to get it done now.

[A]

Market value, 13.1 million a season.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

His snap percentage, 98.3.

[A]

99.73.

[B]

I told you.

[A]

I was like, that is unbelievable.

[B]

They're playing against the jets, who were basically a Division 1 double A team.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That last game. I know. And he's out there. And the other guys were like, sorry,

[A]

that was a shot at Colgate. How dare you.

[B]

Oh, you had to play for.

[A]

My husband played.

[B]

And that's when my husband played linebacker.

[A]

Big husband. Girl now love saying.

[B]

All right, so, so there's the, there's the old line. Spencer Brown redone, you know, reworked contract and all that.

[C]

We've talked about Dion.

[B]

They could do something with Dion's contract too.

[A]

Yes. They could restructure him.

[B]

Restructure.

[A]

He's in year two of three of his 60.6 million dollar deal cap hit this season, 24.8 million. So we'll see if that's the case. He's gonna be 32 this year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's pretty wild to me.

[B]

Oh, Lyman can hang around a while.

[A]

No, I agree. I just, I feel like I blinked in like Dion's been in the league for decade.

[C]

Yeah. One of the things I've, I've seen like the offensive line, Twitter, you know, where you have the Jeff Schwartz and the Mitchell Schwartz and Baldingers and they kind of break down. Like, Dion is very technical technically. Sound like he's not just a guy that relies on brute strength and like his. Somebody that you would think is the younger player. Dion is pretty technical in the way that he does the chop and all of those things that players have talked about. So I, I think his game will translate and stay at the level as he gets a little bit older. And for the most part he has been extremely healthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very durable. He talked about this offseason, wanting to come in the thinnest he has or losing some weight. He felt like he felt heavy at the end of the season.

[C]

So he also had the bad flu.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was right before the Steelers game.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That he missed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the concussion. Yep. Because then he missed game.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Game. Um, he missed. He missed the Pittsburgh game.

[C]

The Pittsburgh game. Yeah.

[A]

Ryan Vandemark, he's an RFA coming off a one year deal for $1 million. He's about turn 28 years old. What do you think?

[B]

I could see a similar deal to bring him back or you know, tackles are. He's played. Tackles can be valuable. That game he played really well against Pittsburgh.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah, somebody's always out there looking. You know this league, I mean we know the teams. The Texans, they had one good lineman. They traded him. You know the, the, you know, LA Chargers, like who knows if he would get an opportunity. Yeah.

[A]

So he's a restriction. Restricted free agent too. Which means that the, the Bills have the ability to match. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So just in case people, people didn't know what the gauntlet was last time. So just to explain some things and then yeah, we talked about Cedric van pan granger, S.V.P. s. But it's S. Whatever. It's not right. Tylon Grable, year three of his rookie deal.

[B]

They seem to think highly of him.

[A]

Yes. So cushion though he was out till November.

[B]

Let's see how highly they believe in him.

[A]

That's true. Right. Yeah. And then there's Chase Lunt who's rookie deal as well. Six round pick in 20, 25.

[B]

This is where you need those guys.

[A]

Yeah, 26. He had the knee injury. It was on IR. Yep. So we'll see. All right, do we want to go wide receiver next?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay, wide receiver. Let's get into it. So obviously Khalil Shakir, first year of his extension. We know he's going to be on the team. Josh Palmer, year two of three, 20 my of his 29 million dollar deal. He'll be 27 years old this season. His cap hit is $11.7 million. He had 12 games, 22 catches, 303 yards, no touchdowns on IR this year. Had an ankle injury you had mentioned. It's almost like they signed him this year, which I think is a good point.

[B]

So that matches up with some of the guys they're looking at, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean I like Romeo Dos. You know what the nice thing about Romeo Dos is? He hasn't failed in Buffalo yet. Right. I'm just saying that it's like you look and you go oh this guy could be good because we haven't seen him play. And I think in a, in one way we have to be fair to Josh Palmer to say, okay, let's see you healthy this year. Because if they were signing that player this year, I don't think you think I change in the whole franchise. But you think he can contribute. That's why I'm not big on signing another mid range guy. As much as I like Some of

[C]

them, it's too expensive. And I think you could get that. I think you get that value in the fourth and fifth round, sixth round wide receiver.

[B]

And maybe this year you get some of that from Palmer because moving on from him, you'd have to, you'd have to draft a couple of guys. And I, I just, I don't think I see it.

[A]

I do just worry about his fit.

[B]

I, I.

[A]

With the Bills, and I think there's some. And he's not, it's not that he's a bad person or anything like that. I just feel like I sometimes I see. It doesn't really feel like maybe because the injury. Yeah, it kind of feels like a lot of times, like doing drills, he's kind of off to the side and, and maybe that's just me speculating, but it's, I'm curious if maybe this year, having the year to get settled this last season, I know the injuries kind of derailed things, but maybe that will help it feel a little bit more cohesive with him in that group.

[C]

Yeah, I was. When I talked to Matt Harmon, I think we like kind of glanced over Palmer just very quickly because it did feel like an, an incomplete assignment. Like, like the contract was not great last year. There were hopes that he could be that field stretcher that they needed. And it just, you had it the moment. The first play of the Atlanta game.

[A]

That flash, man.

[C]

Yeah. And so I think that did a

[B]

big catch in the Baltimore game early they. Early in the season.

[A]

Yes, the first game of the season.

[B]

First game of the season.

[C]

He had a big catch right before Keon got tripped up.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

So there were moments. I don't, I never think he's going to be a 7 for 70 guy.

[B]

Isn't it funny that we, we can almost remember have that many catches.

[C]

Yeah. But I remember, like, it was early in training camp.

[A]

22 catches this year.

[C]

Yeah, it was early in training camp when it started to be the hamstring and he spent a lot of time with trainers and working off to the side and you're like, okay. And like I said, those kind of nagging things, I think did hamper him all year. I remember talking to him, getting towards the playoffs and being like, how was this year for you? Like, you want the team to do well, but you also. I always find that dynamic interesting where it's like, say you're a star player on a basketball team and you're out and your team goes and wins the title. Well, that kind of sucks.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, like you want to be a part of it. The Braves won a World Series right after Ronald Acuna tore his ACL the first time. And it's like you're watching. You want to have an impact. You're here to have a competitor.

[A]

You want, you want to compete.

[B]

And especially, especially as much as the Bills needed something from their wide receivers.

[C]

Correct. So I don't think. But again, I said this same thing about Curtis Samuel at the end of last year, where you were like, maybe he was just nicked up and so injured all year that when he had the playoff game against Denver and you were like, this is what I'm going to buy the stock. This is where it is. I'm just wary of buying Josh Palmer stock because it didn't fit with Curtis Samuel again, even when he was on the field, the limited time that it was. So I'm giving Palmer the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not buying any stock in Palmer.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, he's a part of your, your team because of the contract, but also there's the fear that he could be a Curtis Samuel. Part two, because Curtis Samuel, obviously a cut consideration. Final year of his three year, $24 million contract. His cap, it is nine and a half million dollars. He played in six games. It's seven catches.

[B]

He's post June 1st.

[A]

He's gone IR for. He had elbow and neck injury this season. Honestly, it's tough too, because you've seen him produce it for other teams. You saw him have good production under Joe Brady in Carolina. But I understand the thought process behind it was a guy that's had. Had success with Joe Brady, like I said, in Carolina. In Carolina. But then, oh, he's now going to be with Josh Allen. And so I get the picture of why you're like, this could work. But obviously it did not.

[C]

Do you think Bean considers Samuel a swing? Remember when you talked about the combine

[B]

and you asked, I said to him about you've taken big swings.

[C]

It was on the one on one at the combine. It was probably our second. It was our Tuesday podcast that we did our one on ones and you asked him, you know, you took big swings with Josh Diggs and Vaughn and that you all had success. Do you feel like you need to take a big swing? And he kind of pushed back saying, like what?

[B]

I'm aggressive, I've been aggressive. Yeah, I don't think Curtis Samuel's a big swing. I don't think those guys are big swings. Those are swings. Those are going to get a, get a player. You Know, moving up three spots to get Dalton or whatever it was to get Dalton. Kincaid is not a big swing. Like what the Rams did today was a big swing. What the Chiefs did, in a way is a big swing. Yeah. Because you're giving up a player. It's like a big move. I would say so.

[C]

Chiefs have 10 and 13, right.

[A]

They have nine and 29.

[C]

The Chiefs were. It's not fair that the Chiefs sucked for one year in the last 10. And they get a top 10 pick.

[B]

They get the top 10 pick. And which other one did you get?

[C]

Oh, 20. Sorry, 29.

[B]

The Rams have 13.

[C]

Sorry. The Rams have 13 because they gave him Atlantis pick. Sorry. In my head I was thinking 13. The Rams still have the 13.

[B]

They have the Atlanta pick. They don't have there.

[A]

But the Chiefs have two picks in.

[B]

In the first.

[A]

In the first round.

[B]

Yeah, but.

[A]

Yeah, nine overall.

[B]

But no, those are not.

[C]

Sorry. That was a super. That wasn't.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

Those are not big swings. Okay. Yeah, they haven't done big swings.

[A]

They have not done a big swing since.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Which is bosa.

[B]

No, no. It's a one year deal on a guy who's coming off injuries.

[C]

Yikes.

[B]

No, no,

[C]

no.

[A]

Keon Coleman.

[B]

Well, it's funny, you know, it's funny. The difference between Keon Coleman and Josh Palmer in this way is they are on all on team Keon. We love them. I mean, come on. Terry Pula telling him he loves him. Terry Pula went on the press conference and basically said, I'm not blaming this guy. I'm gonna blame somebody else for damage control. Yeah. And now he's saying this. I don't buy any of that. I talked about it on the league podcast yesterday. I don't buy any of that. Point. The difference is they're all in publicly on that. They don't aren't saying anything because nobody's really paying as much attention to Josh Palmer. Both of those players I look at and say, if you get more out of them this year, to me it's a bonus. I don't expect found money. So you. You can't say we're counting on both of these guys. Maybe if you think the odds are one of them will do more, I guess. But like, I don't have big faith in either one of them.

[A]

No, neither do I. The good thing about Keon, though is at least he's cheap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because he's still on his rookie contract. I think it's important. The Cameron Wolf Report. The quote I'm Told it would take likely take a day to pick. Which I.

[B]

Yes, go ahead. This is another thing I. When I said yesterday is you. It gets you a three. And how do you get a three when you trade him and a four to get a three? So you're using Keon to move up from say, whatever pick 106 to move up to 85, whatever the numbers are, you're using it to move up so you can say you got a day two pick and you did, but you gave up a day early. Day three pick and you gave up the player. So, yeah, I don't. Otherwise nobody's giving him.

[A]

It is interesting because I think people would look at that report and be like, oh, well, they're saying they're really behind Keith Keon. But then also it's denoted that it would likely take a day two pick to get the deal done. Where you're kind of putting the message out there like, hey, if you're interested, it would take a Day 2 pick.

[B]

In. In fairness, Dan, when you look at this draft and there's a bunch of wide receivers, if you take Keon and you're another team, you're getting him in year three of four.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

So the clock is ticking on him already, as opposed to taking the rookie and taking a shot, right?

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[C]

They've used the. They've used the stick with the benching and having him be inactive. I think they're going to try. They're trying the carrot. And again, I'll say this right now, like, I'm not. I promise I will not be worked up when Keon has a good day at training camp. Like, I just. I will not believe.

[A]

You won't get excited.

[C]

Correct. Just like I did last year. Like, every single. Every single time Keon caught the ball at St. John Fisher, it was tweeted out by the Bills account 170 all these things. And I said, he caught it over jamarcus Ingram. He caught it over this guy. And I said like, let's keep. And I did.

[A]

You a thousand percent did. The times that Keon looked good is when they weren't in pads.

[C]

Correct. And I said that. I go, I was. When he was a rookie, I said, he looks. Looks the part it is when he gets manned up by Marcus Jones, who's 5 foot 9 and out physicals him that I go, I don't really know. And again, they're.

[B]

By the way, I like Marcus Jones a lot, 100%.

[C]

He's a good player, but there's no reason for The Bills to come out and bash Keon right now. It does them no good. It does Keon no good. They don't have to make any decision. What is your smirk?

[B]

I'm laughing because I know you so well. You're going to clip that, what you just said about training camp, and you're going to save it for training camp. You went single shot. You turned to the camera.

[A]

The man full on content. No, put out a psa. Put out a PSA right now.

[B]

Training camp. I saw you do it.

[C]

I don't want to waste it.

[B]

Training camp, when Keon's making catches, I'll

[C]

go back and find day three when I made him the thumbnail. And I was probably going, hey, I really don't buy any of this until we get into a game.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I will find clips of my takes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because they're just. Because. Because they're real.

[B]

Yeah. And they've happened.

[A]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

So where are we tight end now, are we? Well, you got.

[A]

Well, there's White Steve, there's Tyrell Shavers, ACL surgery.

[B]

Those guys gotta fight their way back. It's gonna be tough, you know, for them to count on any of them.

[A]

Brandon Cooks is a UFA no. 33 years old this season. He signed the one year, $1.25 million deal in late November.

[B]

I like the idea of Brandon Cooks. I want to find somebody 10 years younger than him to do it.

[C]

So somebody that's not 10 years younger. But Mike Evans and his camp came out with the four things that he wants. Elite quarterback play, super bowl caliber, window, high volume, and a respected oc.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Were those the four things?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I think the Bills check three out of those four boxes.

[A]

What do they not check?

[C]

The high volume. So that's to be determined. Brandon Cook's got a lot. A decent amount of volume for not a lot of production.

[B]

They were like, oh, we got a guy who can run. Let's.

[C]

So I think there is. I mean, Stefan Diggs had 130 targets, you know, in a year in Buffalo that, like, if you can be the guy that Josh trusts, I think he will not force you the ball. But you will get plenty of opportunities.

[B]

Can I push back a little bit on the narrative that Mike Evans is always hurt?

[C]

He's.

[B]

Unfortunately, he's been hurt recently and that's big because he's in his 30s and he's there. But I was looking back at his games and start and starts. 15, 14, 16, 15, 16, 13, 16, 16, 15, 17, 14.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Then he had eight last year. His. His snap percentage is all in the 80s until this injury. Now, look, it's hamstrings. He's older. It was bad, but he's just a dude. He's a dog. And I think he is a Hall of Fame wide receiver.

[C]

He's a Hall of Fame, no question.

[B]

And he did win a Super Bowl.

[A]

He did, yes.

[B]

No matter what FS1 says.

[C]

But I've had some people come at me saying, constantly injured. And I say constantly produces, constantly open, constantly making catches. Like, if you're thinking that in the short term, look, zoom out a little bit. And I get. I get age, I get all of those concerns, but I don't think you're gonna pay them $30 million.

[B]

It's also. I wanted to push back and give. When Bean gets crap for Vaughn Von did not get hurt. Like an old man got rolled up on in Detroit. Yeah, like that happens. It happens to young players. It happens to anybody. That was not an old man injury. It was not an older player injury. Yeah, some guys, it is something when it's constant. Look at Trey White, who's had two super serious injuries. He didn't have any old man injuries this year. Played through the whole year. There was. When I say old man, you know what I'm talking about. Where it's a calf and the hamstring and all those things that tend to go as they go along. Mike Evans has had that a little bit. That would be a little bit concerning because he's had it. But other than that, the dude just shows up.

[A]

But even then, I think he put. That puts him more in a price range that's a little bit more reasonable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And attractive as opposed to this guy. High money. If he wasn't coming off an injury.

[B]

I just always liked him as a player.

[A]

Me too. That would. I am all in on that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All in.

[C]

Love it.

[A]

All right, so it hasn't been announced, but. Well, let's go to tight ends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Brandon Bean essentially said it's not an if. It's a. When they pick up Dalton Kincaid's fifth

[B]

year option, they almost have to do that. Like, he's not going to not do it because they have faith in the guy. But it'll look really. It'll look fine if he can stay on the field this year.

[A]

So he had the torn PCL. There was. There's no plan for surgery. 12 games this season, 39 catches, 571 yards, five touchdowns. Do you think long term the Bills would be interested in signing him to an extension or do you think it's too risky because of his injury history right now?

[B]

It's too risky.

[C]

Agreed.

[B]

They're kicking the can down the road.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what the number is for tight ends for the fifth year option. He's going to play to that. He could be the guy that's.

[A]

You guys say that Khalil Shakir is bad for the offense, but I think it's more.

[B]

Wait, Wait a minute.

[A]

Well, wait a minute.

[B]

Hold on. Hold. Hold on. Well, we didn't say he was bad for the.

[A]

No, I would.

[C]

Ma', am. Ma', am, please.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Pull your take to the side of the road.

[B]

You just danned Dan's context or his. His what he said and of course, what I brought up in the beginning.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's not that he's. He's a very good player.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I just don't want them to avoid

[C]

players that want me to take that out. Do you want me to take that out of the pod where you just said, is closure gear bad for the Bills offense?

[B]

No, she said you guys.

[A]

Well, no. Okay. That was a very distilled downtake of essentially you guys saying that because, I mean, wrong. No, I'm not. What do you say? I'm not wrong. I'm just early.

[C]

Okay. Put your hand up. You're wrong.

[A]

Okay. What I meant, what I was trying to say is that how you guys look at Khalil Shakir is how I look at Dalton Kincaid.

[C]

Yeah. He's part of. He's part of the issue.

[B]

But the difference between the two is I think there's a thought that Kincaid, with more time on the field and better health, will go to a number. I think the difference is.

[A]

Yeah, I don't.

[B]

I think we've kind of seen what it appears to be that Shakir is now. I've always believed with Shakir, give him some help on the outside and it can open it up. He can run down the field if somebody's taken some attention.

[C]

He is allowed.

[B]

He is allowed to run.

[C]

NFL regulations.

[B]

The target is absurdly low. They can. Cade.

[C]

Was that the year before and then it was more of this past season. Josh had like a perfect passer rating throwing to him all of those things. I'm with Jenna, though, that I can see this playing out. Like we're talking about, like, second contracts. I think that is my opinion still completely up in the air.

[B]

Yes, I agree.

[C]

There is still needs to be more of a sample size, more of an impact. Like I said it. Going into this year, there had never been a game where Dalton Kincaid made an impact on a game and he did this year in a couple of games that he had like he was a difference, had a couple hundred yard games that that's what you want to see. But then it's still this and we. I've gone in depth on it and I don't really want to do it again. But just like he can't run block and I know people will say, well he's improved his blocking. Okay, Dawson Knox is still a better blocker than him. He limits them for what they, what they had last year where they were such a not a run first team, but that was what they did so well that it kept him off the field to some respects. So I want to see him round out his game a little bit more. I'd like to see him get bigger. I'd like. I mean we're in year three and we're sitting here going, can he be on the field? Can he be healthy? All these kind of things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can't believe you guys would say that about. Close

[B]

troublemaker. Hey, she is today.

[A]

Gotta keep the pod going. All right, let's talk to Austin Knox. Cut consideration 30 at the end of the season. Last year of his three year $29.5 million deal cap hit this season 17 million dead cap is 7.4 million. 17 games played, 36 catches, 417 yards, 4 tds.

[B]

Dawson Knox has to know what his value is on the open market. Yeah, some. Somehow he's coming up with a number and then it. If the Bills are. The Bills are going to make him take a cut, which can be a reduced salary, a changed contract. I mean Beans had to admit it's. He's over. He's been overpaid. Yeah, I know it's hard to say like anybody, you say I was overpaid. I got the money. That doesn't guarantee that. I say I want less. But the real world is like this is the way the NFL contracts work. This isn't baseball where it's a fully guaranteed and they can't do anything with you.

[C]

This is where I love the hypocrisy of fans being like, I can't believe this guy wants a new contract.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Where it's like teams will go to players now and be like, hey, by the way, we want that money back.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because you didn't perform how we wanted.

[B]

It's all about the guaranteed money and so how they're going to redo it. So he needs to.

[C]

We've talked about this at length.

[B]

It should be Probably a like you said, a Milano type deal. I think you said that where it's kind of like I actually did say that into the next year. So I'm giving you credit for it. And then, and there's a lot of tight ends in this draft and maybe who pick a tight end and then at some point. Look, I think I kind of like the way Jackson Hawes plays. I think he can develop into a decent pass catcher. I don't think he's going to be great but he's made a few plays for them and we know he's a good blocker. Yes, I think he's a better blocker than any of them, 100% and I think he has the ability to get himself into being a better, a better pass catcher.

[C]

Jackson Hawes as we kind of shift on. Remember my take has always been like when they put the extra. It's like oh well this tight end isn't that good at this. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I've always said, you know who's better than the best blocking tight end, the worst offensive lineman because that's their main job. Jackson Hawes may be the one kryptonite in that take that I have because he is. I mean he, they went from Alec Anderson being in the jumbo package to pretty much Jackson Hawes being the extra offensive lineman with the ability to go out for a pass without announcing it to the other team. So I think that's been a big, big bonus for them.

[A]

Do you think they look at law to it all?

[B]

No. If they were to move on from, from Dawson. Yeah, I, you know he's in. Let's be honest is Josh's guy too not Dawson? Dawson is.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Dalton.

[A]

And Dalton, yes. That's the one thing about. They're very close friends him and Dalton. So I'm curious if that has an impact on him signing an extension. I don't know.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's. We'll see. Running backs James Cook in the first year his deal Ty Johnson in the last year of his two year deal. His dead cap would be 3.2 million. Ray Davis on his rookie deal. Reg Gilliam is a UFA 29 years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Signed a one year contract for 2 million in 2025. Tush push merchant.

[B]

Yeah, I, I'd bring Reggie back.

[A]

I would too.

[B]

And I, I've heard people say about Ty. I just think they underutilized Ty Johnson in the passing game last year. I still think he's really good at that. James Cook obviously played more on Third down than he did the year before. Ray became a returner for them and did a good job. If you told me the room comes back as the same room next year, I'm fine with that.

[A]

Yeah, me too.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

Do you think, quarterback wise, do you think they resigned Mitch trubisky? He'll be 30.

[B]

Interesting. 32 this year because, I mean, there's. There's some teams out there that he could get a year with some team that says we got nobody, come on in and play. Whereas Mitch just like, I kind of like this. This, this is.

[A]

Dude, that's the best job in the NFL.

[B]

It is. And he's 32.

[C]

So I also, with the salary cap not being real, I don't want to pay. I saw somebody had projections of Mitch making $8 million.

[B]

Yeah. No, no.

[C]

I was like, I. I don't want.

[B]

That's where you appeal to his. You get in this room with Josh.

[C]

Yeah. You do this and you'll get a week 17 start.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You'll take 99.9% of the snaps on

[B]

week 18 and you'll win the slime. Yeah. Nickelodeon.

[A]

Yeah. MVP.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. If I'm Mr. Bisky, I am.

[B]

Yeah. He's taking enough hits.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, in his life, playing with the Bears and all. Steelers, right?

[C]

Yeah, Steelers.

[A]

Yeah. It'd be all about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This is a long pod.

[A]

Is it?

[C]

We're at 54 minutes.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Are we really? Let's do life advice quick.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I can't believe it. Okay. All right.

[B]

Host in this show, we're just.

[C]

She's not able to keep us on track.

[A]

I didn't realize it had been that much time. Okay, life advice. First off, before we get into our questions, we want to say thank you to Chris, who had the awesome Bill's bar. He said he was really excited. He's going to send us pictures when he finish it. Finish. Finishes it. So that's exciting. And let's go to more stuff. What?

[C]

Hey, buffaloplus Gmail dot com. Send your comments in your questions.

[A]

Yes. All right. Good evening. We have a nine month old baby girl. Many members of our family do not put in the effort to see or acknowledge her. We share photos and videos and they do acknowledge them, but if we do not initiate or reach out first, they will not take the initiative and reach out to us to get together or see pics. Then they get mad at us for not sending anything or wanting to get together. Mine and my wife's opinion is that it is not our responsibility to Force people to be involved with our daughter. Is this a relationship? This is a relationship. And it goes both ways. Are we wrong for having that attitude? And for you guys that do have kids, what would you do in that situation? Thank you.

[B]

Dan, you have 12 children.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You start this.

[C]

So we had. Renee and I. Both of our families are still in Rochester, so we're very lucky to have the support that we do. Like Renee's uncle. Her uncle's. One uncle gets Shane off the bus on Monday, another gets her off the bus on, on Wednesday. So, like, we're very lucky. But that being said, there are times when you just want it to be family. So sometimes you kind of put your foot down when you get asked to, hey, do you guys want to do this? And it's like, our schedules are so busy. Life's busy. Saturday morning, we're not going anywhere. We don't want anybody to come over. It's just the family. But we have always kind of said this open door policy where it's like, hey, if you're out and about, the front door is always open. Like, we're never going to stop Nani or Rah Rah from coming over and seeing this.

[B]

Just parents that have this.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It doesn't extend to any other cousins, aunts and uncles.

[C]

I mean, it's pretty open.

[B]

Pretty open. Okay, that's, that's interesting. So there's our times when somebody knocks on the door and you're like,

[A]

yeah,

[C]

there's sometimes when you buckle up, you're like, all right, this is going to be a, it's gonna be a couple hours here with, with. We thought we were having a quiet afternoon. But that being said, like, to this question, like, I do think there are times, like, as, as parents and as a marriage with a young baby, I think there are times where we, like, do say to like my mom to be like, would you like to see the girls on Thursday so Renee and I can go out to dinner. Like, sometimes we initiate.

[B]

That's a little different, though. That's babies center.

[A]

That's smart.

[C]

But that's still also. They get to see. Then they're like, oh, we don't. Then they'll say, oh, we didn't want to bother you. We don't.

[B]

That is true. I, I, I, that's the point.

[C]

So sometimes we initiate the, hey, what do you guys got going on this weekend? You know, Renee and I would like to get out of the house.

[B]

You're fishing for a babysitter, though.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

Honestly, they should do that.

[C]

And they Also then get to see the grandbabies.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, they get to see their granddaughters.

[B]

You just. It's quite a bonus for them.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Get to go out to dinner. No, no, that's good. I do think from a. Both as friends had kids, or in this case, now we have the grandkids. Now, they don't live here in town, but I'm always conscious of not feeling like I'm pushing something onto them a little bit of like, they're gonna say yes because they don't want to say no.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But I do think there's a little. Now when she's. They. The person didn't say. They didn't want to say their name. But I don't know if they have felt more of like, they don't care. I do think there's a little bit of just you. You don't want to bug them, and you feel like if they want company, they're going to sort of ask.

[A]

I don't have children. I. I feel that way where I want to see, like, perfect example. Sometimes. Some Tuesdays when I'm off, I'll go over to Dan's house and see the girls. And I love doing it, but I feel.

[C]

Goddaughter is also my youngest.

[A]

Yes. But I feel I don't want to ask because it's a little. Not uncomfortable. But, like, I know you got a lot going on, so the last thing I want to do is be like, hey, by the way, can I come over? Now? It's not my grandkids, but I do feel like there's. I always feel like I don't want to be a burden. I don't want to have to force you to say no or whatever. We're close enough, though, that if you're like, yeah, no, I'll be like, okay. But that is something I had to kind of get over.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'd be like, I don't wanna. I don't want to put this on.

[B]

Why don't you say, jenna, come on over, Watch the three kids. Renee and I are going out to dinner.

[C]

I've never offered.

[A]

I would say I have offered.

[C]

And I. And I.

[B]

How do you think you would do?

[C]

And I love and respect her too much to leave her alone with Ryan.

[B]

You would do with three of them.

[A]

I would love it. I want to be a mom.

[B]

I know. Oh, no, I'm not saying.

[C]

It's also this. The girls would be great for her.

[A]

I was gonna say they would be on there.

[C]

They're on their best behavior.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Shane is running the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Shane's an adult. Ryan today. Side note, got the text from the babysitter.

[B]

She bit people.

[A]

Zach used to do this.

[B]

Yeah. Gemma did the to. Oh, you were there. Yeah, When Gemma bit Blake. My granddaughters.

[C]

I also think that I was literally Jenna's like, how's it going yesterday? And I said, ryan's the sweetest thing ever. She's being great today. And then she walked up and slapped me in the face. Like, that is. That's the middle child.

[A]

That's a little sour, Pat.

[C]

So. Yeah. So I think it is a delicate balance, but I do think that it's always been ask when, hey, we don't have anything going on this weekend. Would you guys like to come over?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then that maybe gets the ball rolling of, okay, we can ask. And then maybe you can also have that face to face conversation.

[A]

I was gonna say, I think this warrants a conversation like, hey, by the

[C]

way, you know, you can ask and we'll. You know, with my parents, it's always been like, you're never going to hurt our feelings if you say no. My parents would be like, hey, Sunday morning, can you guys come over? We'd love to do breakfast. And I've had to say, like, with the schedule that we've had and traveling, no, we just want to stay in the house on Sunday morning. And it's always okay another time. So I don't want your in laws shouldn't feel like they can't ask. As long as there aren't going to be feelings hurt that you can say no. I. We don't want to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because there's so many times when you have young kids that you feel like you're getting pulled in a ton of different directions. To your point, like, there is this burden of, okay, we. The new baby, somebody's got to see them. And then, oh, the. My uncle hasn't met him or the. My brother hasn't, or we got to go see them. And then there are times where, like, I just don't want to do anything.

[A]

And so I feel like from the outside perspective, it's always like, you don't want to inconvenience or burden the person that you're asking or put more pressure on them. But I do think it warrants a conversation of like, hey, yeah, like, is there a reason, you know, it seems like you're really enjoying spending time with, like, your. Your grandbaby. You know, you can if you want to see her. We would love for you to. To reach out we can set something up. Like telling them that it's okay for them to set the initiative to do that.

[B]

Maybe it's a little different with parents so it's the grandparents than it would be with cousins or.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And all I would say to them is ask. We just know that if, if it's chaos here, we're going to say maybe not this time and then come over

[A]

another, you know, and this says many, like members of the family. So like maybe it's not the grandparents, but I, I just know for myself as someone, like I just, I want to see, but I don't want to impose and maybe other people take that, that opinion as well. It was really you opening up and being like, no, you can ask that. I felt more comfortable being like, oh, I would love to see the girls this weekend.

[C]

And it's also different, like for Renee and I, the kids were born in the pandemic. So like Shane was born in the pandemic and it was like very much like nobody's really coming over. And then once everything kind of slowed down, it was okay. And it's taken some time. So they're saying their, their kid is 9 months old. Like it's taken some time between both of our parents because in the beginning a lot and I love them and I mean this as a compliment, like our in laws, Renee's parents were over all the time and it was great and we needed it to take a nap, to throw in a load of laundry. Like you are so overwhelmed with a newborn. And then once you kind of get the swing of things, it's like, all right, now we're. Now we're good. Now we're just the family of three and we can handle this. And then it's opening it back up to just come over. You don't have to watch the kids. Let's all hang out. And it's not like we're, you know, used to be her parents would come over and it's like we're going upstairs. Like the second they'd walk in the door, it's like we're going to take a nap.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, it's just like. So.

[B]

Good question.

[A]

Good question. Okay, next question. This is from mike. Hey, buffalo plus, what temperature do you set your thermostat to? Also, do you keep the temp consistent when you're away or do you raise and lower it throughout the day? I have zoned heating, so that throws another wrinkle into the mix. P. S. I met Mike a couple months back when he sold me an exercise bake on Facebook. Marketplace gave me a personal podcast in my driveway or in his driveway. The man can really talk. Yeah, he can. We know that, Mike. Anyway, thanks for the sweet deal on my bike, Mike. My life. My wife loves it, and I still wear my BP hat around all the time. Shut up, Mike.

[C]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Came to the house, and he was getting it for his wife, so I got him the hat. We talked about a bunch of stuff.

[C]

I really thought he was going to be like, I know, Mike. I changed the plug in his dryer.

[A]

That is so good. That was so, so good.

[B]

No, that was a good. That was a great experience there. And I'm glad he's able to. They're able to use it. I used to be that guy in the house, and you get the. When you got the first, you know, controllable. From anywhere. Yeah. When. From your phone and whatever you go online, you could change it, and then I'd set it, and in the mornings, it would go up and down. Me personally, right now, it's like Jenny likes it a little bit on the cooler side. She does. So we just. It doesn't bother me anywhere. We're at, like, 66. 60.

[A]

I think we're like, 68. But this is a diabolical move by me. When we're on the road traveling for

[B]

work, what do you put it down to?

[A]

Oh, I put it up. Oh, I put it up to 74.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[A]

When we're on the road, when we're in a hotel.

[B]

Oh, in a hotel, but not at your house.

[C]

Yeah. You're not my. You're a crazy person.

[B]

Yeah, I'm a crazy person with that

[C]

63 in the hotel room.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, we said our house at 65. Dang, that's cold.

[C]

But you just ask the hubby.

[A]

Yeah, but I also. I wear my bathrobe, like, all the time, so I'm.

[C]

We're 60.

[B]

Must be very excited about that.

[C]

We're set at 67, and we just actually got the. The nest. So we can control it from my phone.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Renee would love it to be, like, 73 in the house.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

She's my girl. She gets.

[B]

Honestly, somebody just said to us, put on a hoodie. What temperature?

[A]

Put on a bathrobe.

[B]

What temperature do you have? The house? And I'm like, it's 60. I never even really think about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I went over and looked, and we have it at 66, so. And we just leave it there.

[A]

Yeah. I actually control my parents. Thermostat because they don't know how to set it when they're away.

[C]

Renee does that because she doesn't have the Nest, the app on the phone. So I'll be in Indy. And she's like, it's cold. Can you turn the heat up?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's like, you're gonna go to sleep. She's like, I'm freezing. So, like. So now I have to crank the heat in the house.

[A]

Yeah. My parents will be like, we're going away.

[B]

Can you said it, by the way, it's not a hotel room. In a hotel room, when you crank it up, you feel that in, like, five minutes.

[A]

I know. It's amazing.

[B]

In your house, when you crank it up, it takes a little while. So people always put it at this crazy high number, like, that's going to make it go faster, and it's not.

[C]

We even have Fairport Electric, and it's. It's still expensive. Still expensive now.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, 65. I would say 68 is the perfect temperature.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Renee would like 70 in the house.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I would, too, but we're just.

[C]

We're getting all that Buffalo plus money, Renee.

[A]

All right, next question. This is from Will. Hi. Buffalo Plus. I'd love to ask for some advice. I'm 28 years old and honestly have no idea what I want to do for a career. I was laid off about a year ago from my role as a sales development representative in professional liability insurance, and since then, I've been working as a painter while I try to figure out my next move.

[B]

Move.

[A]

Part of what's holding me back is that I have a real fear of job interviews. I had a terrible interview experience right after graduating from RIT with a marketing degree, and it really stuck with me. And essentially, he's just asking if we have any advice. If you have any advice on navigating career uncertainty or figuring out what direction to take, I would truly appreciate it.

[C]

You've interviewed a lot of people.

[B]

I have. But I would tell you this. Your generation and younger, you go through so many more interviews than it used to be the case. You ask anybody over 40, they're like. Like two interviews, and you got the job. You. You talk to the one person, and then they say, let me run it by my boss. It is wild to me. Like, my daughters have, you know, gone through jobs where they go through four, five, six interviews for some of these jobs. I don't know what they're asking everybody, but it is a lot. So in terms of that, it's a shame you had a bad experience. It probably. It sounds like it might have been related to the way that person did it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think you have to just allow yourself to say, don't try to be perfect in an interview. Try to be yourself as much as possible. Try not to overthink it, because unfortunately, in this world we live in, and I think part of it is because we have the ability to interview people online. That never used to be the case.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're going to keep interviewing and interviewing, so you need to find a way to get past that a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's only. I was only commenting on the interview thing. It just. Maybe you guys agree there's a lot of interviews that go through.

[A]

There's definitely more. I saw a really good thing from this guy. His handle is Sip Drake, and he talks about shots on goal and just, like, having opportunities and how important that is. So, like, for interviews, like, even if you don't get the job, it's a great opportunity. It's a shot on goal. Yeah. And, like, learning from that and taking shots on goal. And I think when you look at it at that perspective, like, all right, this might not, like, I want this to go well, but even if it doesn't, I'm still getting something out of this experience. I agree with that, because I think sometimes you put so much pressure, which is understandable. You want a job. Like, it's. It is an intimidating experience as is, but I think it's just, okay, I'm gonna get something out of this. And I always tell people, like, be you. Like, you want to be you because you want the a. You don't want to, like, deceive the people that you're working for. But also, it's like, am I comfortable here? Would I feel like I fit in? Because that's also a part of it as well. But I just think of. I really liked that. That shots on goal thing. It stuck with me because I'm like, yeah, there's. There's time. And, guys, we do interviews, not job interviews, but there's so many interviews I do where I'm like, could have been better. Like, that wasn't exactly how I wanted.

[B]

But I like your point about the shots on goal, because you would hate to say, I don't like doing interviews. And then the next one you get, you feel like is for the job. You just absolutely feel like is for you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you haven't had the. The reps. You haven't had the experience in doing it, but it's not.

[C]

I would.

[B]

I don't pretend it's easy. It's not easy.

[A]

No.

[C]

If I would be honest too, I would. You talk about being true to yourself. I may be an oversharer, like, in anything too. But, like, I would also just be like, I'm nervous. Like, I wouldn't shy away from that. Like, if somebody. Somebody wanted to know about you and how you're doing and how do you think this interview. Like, when you go into the interview,

[B]

like, sometimes they say, how do you think this interview is going?

[C]

Yeah. So it's like, I'm nervous. Like, I'm not great at interviews. Like, but he was a, you know, he was a developing sales, you know,

[A]

like marketing director or marketing degree. He was a development.

[C]

You're a smart guy. Like, so be.

[B]

Be confident, but also be true to interview you.

[A]

Yes. I think that's important too. Like, they chose to interview you. I think confidence is key. But I think also. Yeah, like, being a real person, I do think it dependent. It's dependent on the industry a little bit as well. But I think if you can have, like, I think sometimes the point of an interview, it feels like nowadays is to stump you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I feel like if you can show that you're a human being and this matters to you, that. That conveys really well. But the. The point about figuring out what direction to take, I think it's important to decide. What do you want? Do you want money? Do you want flexibility? Do you want to pursue your passions? Because those things could lead to a very different directions of what you want to do with your life. Like, we picked our passion.

[C]

Correct. I knew very early on my dad worked very hard as a general manager for restaurants growing up. And I was like, I don't care if I make nickels. I'm gonna do what I love doing. And it's been Nichols. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, but I knew what I went into it.

[A]

Like, yeah, I didn't work holidays in that. But that's.

[C]

I didn't get into this profession for the money. Like, that's not why I got into it. So, like, this is where I.

[B]

But to his point, I don't know how it's going with the painting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That he's doing. But, like, if you're okay with it, that's one thing.

[C]

If you people are always gonna need houses and rooms painted well.

[B]

Right. So you can continue to work, but if you find yourself, just don't believe that the next job's gonna have to necessarily be the perfect one. But it might get you back into the industry, Correct? In a way.

[A]

So, yeah, I think it just. You have to. If you really want money, then you would not do our job. Like you would do something. It's following your passion or it's following whatever you think is most important to you and building structure around them. That.

[B]

And you're. You said 25.

[A]

He's 28.

[B]

Oh, 28. Yeah. So you have opportunities in front of you. And if you can find that. If you, if you. Somebody said to you, you found what you wanted at 30, you're in good shape. You're in good shape. So. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And maybe. And also too, I do think it's important to remember that, like, you're not going to start at the top. Like, there's not many jobs. You're like, hey, I've made it. Like, you're going to have to build from wherever you are. So keeping that in mind.

[B]

Unless you're a Nepo baby.

[A]

Yeah, if you're that. But like, if. If you're that, you're not. You're not messenger.

[C]

There were so many. Like, there were multiple times. And you know, he's 28. Like, I remember being 25, hadn't gotten the job yet in Elmira, and I was like, I, this is just not gonna work out. Like being a behind the scenes production.

[B]

How about when I hired Jenna?

[C]

That was. I was at least. So I was at least in the industry then.

[A]

Dan, that's you. You were so mad at me.

[C]

I told you how great Rochester was that you took my job. I don't know. I don't know how else to put it.

[A]

It was not your job.

[C]

I remember calling up Mike, being like, what the hell? I'm better than her. And he's like, no, you're not.

[A]

That's really.

[C]

No, you're not.

[B]

Not yet.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

But they're now still not yet. But just the fact of. I just remember, like, there were so many times where it was like, I don't know what I want to do. I don't know if this is even possible to do it. And just kind of sticking the course. And I like that. Shots on that.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's important. But yeah, just figuring out what you want. And. And when I say that, I don't mean specific job titles, but if there's an industry you're drawn to, or like I said, you're like, hey, if. It's obviously great if you can kind of combine your interests.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But like, what do you really enjoy? Do you enjoy talking to people do you enjoy working from home? Do you enjoy or are you creative in terms of painting? Is there something.

[B]

And also keep in mind every job has its downsides, even the ones you will love.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's parts that you won't love.

[A]

Yeah. I will say I think and I'm extremely biased with this and I'm sure Dan would agree. If you can have a job where you have a mentor that you really respect and appreciate. Michael. But I think you more the respect. Yeah. You can tolerate.

[B]

No kidding. I'm kidding.

[A]

But I do think if you are a younger person, if you can find that, I think that is such a gem that maybe it's not the long term job you want, but if you can learn a lot from that person, you can grow so much. But for the record, is the job I want.

[C]

Come for the bill's take. Stay for the unhinged. Other content.

[A]

I don't think unhinged.

[B]

Oh, I dropped my glasses.

[A]

Oh, my God. You got to stomp on it.

[C]

Get it.

[A]

All right, this was a long pod, but we appreciate everyone sticking around. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. Remember, if you have a question, subscribe. Send in your questions to heybuffaloplusgmail.com. oh, okay. I got nervous that I said it wrong. All right, that'll do it for us in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share.

[C]

And Dan, terrible hosting.

[A]

I'm Jenna.

[B]

We're in the Connors and Paris Ferris podcast studio.

[C]

She did say that.

[B]

Yeah, we just said it again.

[A]

Just say it one more time. All right, Picasso's. All right. Bye, all

[C]

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