WHERE is the BILLS ROSTER after the DRAFT? Has BUFFALO 'turned' the CORNER + LIFE ADVICE

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Buffalo Plus Podcast Summary

Episode Title: WHERE is the BILLS ROSTER after the DRAFT? Has BUFFALO 'turned' the CORNER + LIFE ADVICE
Date: April 30, 2026
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
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In this post-draft episode, the Buffalo Plus team dives deep into the Buffalo Bills’ 2026 draft class, assesses the state of the roster, evaluates competition and needs, and provides their signature blend of inside analysis, humor, and some everyday life advice to close the show.

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Episode Overview

The hosts break down the Bills’ ten-pick, seven-trade draft weekend, highlighting excitement and uncertainty about rookie impact, ongoing roster holes, and how the Bills stack up in the evolving AFC East. They also reflect on front office and coaching decisions, gently challenge each other’s optimism, and wrap with their classic conversational, relatable “Life Advice” segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bills’ Draft Strategy & Roster Impact

• Immediate Reactions: The hosts express a mixed sense of optimism and reservation about the 2026 draft class.

  • Mike: “Am I excited about seeing what some of these players can do? … Let’s see how that translates and how quickly.” (04:00)
  • Dan: “Everybody likes the picks until they're players. And then you could like the players until they actually play.” (04:44)

• Rookie Impact:

  • The consensus is that while a few rookies could see significant playing time, most will likely be rotational players to start.
  • Jenna: “I wasn't, like, blown away… There is still more that I want them to do with this roster in terms of free agents and building from there.” (07:21)

• Defensive Overhaul:

  • Mike: “This will be two drafts in a row… fixing the defense for Sean McDermott. Now we’re fixing it for Jim Leonard.” (08:52)
    • Emphasis on 2025 draftees needing to step up in a new 3-4 system and how 2026 picks fit into that vision.

• Concerns About Starter Caliber Talent:

  • Dan: “It’s a harder path for some of these guys to make a substantial impact... you want to find another guy like Dion Walker’s impact.” (09:34)

• Scheme Changes:

  • The switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense means last year’s picks may not be perfect fits, yet the hope is for adaptability and for Jim Leonard (new DC) to “unlock” these players. (10:55–11:51)

2. Front Office Perspective & Coaching Pressure

• Brandon Beane’s Draft Philosophy:

  • The group analyzes a Beane press conference snippet where he acknowledges cornerback as the biggest need and talks about valuing fit and opportunity when stacking the board. (16:55–18:59)
  • Mike: “If there’s any doubt and there’s a player they think fits them better, go get them.” (19:14)

• Coaching Pressure:

  • Mike: “This puts a lot of pressure on Joe Brady… He got hired to take them over the top. Now let’s see. Let’s see what Jim Leonard does.” (14:31)

• Roster Reality Checks:

  • Jenna: “I don’t look at this roster and say, like, they got exponentially better… The window for a team to be good—like, I want, the clock is ticking.” (12:21)

3. Division Snapshots: Competitors’ Drafts

• Miami Dolphins:

  • Hosts praise the Dolphins for a draft loaded with athletic, impactful talent:
    • Mike: “I love the Dolphins picks.” (25:12)
    • Jenna: “This is why the draft bothers me… you fall in love with some players and then you see them go in the division.” (25:50)

• New York Jets:

  • Recognize that, on paper, the Jets have amassed a “better skill position group than the Bills.”
    • Dan: “[The Jets] have a better skill position group than the Bills.” (27:08)
  • Mike and Jenna clarify “Bills didn’t get jumped for Omar Cooper; they had two chances to take him and passed.” (27:25–27:58)

• New England Patriots:

  • The group is largely unimpressed—questioning moves on the offensive line and discussing the “Vrabel drama” distractors. (29:00–32:43)

4. Big-Picture Roster Questions

• "Turning the Corner" or Standing Pat?
  • The show debates whether the team truly “turned a corner” given their perceived lack of “top-end talent” and urgency to maximize Josh Allen’s window.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Roster Evaluations:

  • Jenna: “It’s three years in a row, no matter their defensive problems, that wide receivers or pass catchers have not helped out Josh in the biggest moments.” (24:07)
  • Mike: “If the way you went out is… if you overstate the way you went out, part of your issue in the way you went out in the last game was your quarterback turned the ball over five times.” (23:48)

• Podcast Chemistry:

  • Mike: “It’s like two cars in a parking lot, both backing up.” (00:23 & 23:41)

• On Draft Buzzwords:

  • Jenna: “I know the buzzword. I did understand it, but I’m like, okay, I think there’s plenty of competition… but I wasn’t blown away.” (07:21)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [03:25] – The team recaps the Bills’ 10 picks and 7 trades, initial emotional reaction to the draft
• [04:44] – Comments on projected early playing time for rookies vs. reality
• [08:24 – 11:24] – Discussion of rookie defensive contributors, adapting to Jim Leonard’s new system, pressure on last year’s class
• [12:21] – Jenna’s concerns about the window for winning with Josh Allen
• [16:55] – Beane press conference soundbite—cornerback as biggest need, value discussion
• [24:07] – Discussion of pass catchers failing Allen in crucial moments, wide receiver talk
• [25:05] – Around the AFC East: Dolphins, Jets, Patriots draft reactions
• [32:19] – Start of Life Advice segment: “Expiration dates on food in the house”
• [34:27] – Mold on cheese/bread debate, how long to keep food, canned goods, etc.
• [39:13] – Pizza storage and cold pizza etiquette, pizza with pineapple hot-take
• [40:49] – Dishwasher loading “debate,” home habits
• [41:54] – Three-second rule, food off the floor, kids, dogs, etc.
• [43:49] – Breaking in new white sneakers: fashion confidence conundrum

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Life Advice Segment Highlights

Topic: Expiration Dates: Play It Safe or Push the Limits?

• Dan and Jenna both grew up in households less strict about “best by” dates, especially for things like cheese, bread, or canned goods. Mike notes raw meats are a different animal and should not be trifled with.
  • Dan: “Those are suggestions—if you don’t see mold on something, then you move on.” (34:22)
  • Jenna: “If I see a little bit of mold [on bread], you just pick off the mold and you eat it.” (35:20)
• They debate cold pizza storage (room temp, fridge, toppings) and the “three-second rule” for food on the floor.
• Loads of playful banter about how different households approach these topics—relatable, funny, and a bit revealing about their personalities.

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Podcast Tone & Style

Conversational, knowledgeable, occasionally irreverent, and always infused with humor. The hosts are candid about both the Bills and themselves, inviting listeners into both insider football talk and the quirks of their personal lives.

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Summary Takeaway

The Buffalo Plus crew finds the Bills’ 2026 draft class encouraging but not an immediate fix, expressing hope in the new coaching staff’s capacity to develop young talent and urgency with the franchise’s championship window. Meanwhile, the rest of the AFC East isn’t standing still, adding more pressure. The episode ends with memorable, light-hearted banter about real-world household debates, giving listeners both football insight and laughs.

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Memorable Quote:
“Everybody likes the picks until they're players. And then you could like the players until they actually play.” – Dan Fates (04:44)

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Transcript

[Dan Fates]

You have to sometimes zoom out a little bit.

[Mike Catalana]

You do, but.

[Dan Fates]

And because one game there's a lot of variance, so they address things average out over time.

[Mike Catalana]

You address.

[Dan Fates]

I'm powering through it. You're powering through you. I'm going to do it.

[Mike Catalana]

Interruption off here. Right.

[Dan Fates]

Not gonna let it happen. I'm gonna keep talking.

[Mike Catalana]

Go, go, go.

[Dan Fates]

I'm gonna keep talking.

[Mike Catalana]

It's like two cars in a parking lot, both backing up.

[Dan Fates]

That's good podcasting. That's good stuff, man.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like MJ and LeBron.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Now from the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We are here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio. Today the dust has settled on the NFL draft. We're talking our takes afterwards. We're going to look around the division as well. Also, there was some talk about corner being a position of weakness heading into the weekend for the Bills. We're going to get into all of that and we will also have life advice. Be sure to send into your Questions to Hey, Buffaloplus. Gmail.com. a lot to get to. Busy weekend as we're now recapping things.

[Dan Fates]

But Mike, people to shout out.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes. Well, do we want to do that now?

[Mike Catalana]

Why not? Let's shout them out. Cuz Jenna and I and Dan's been with me too. We've been at Sabers playoff games. Right. Or. Or another way we could say as a Buffalo plus appearance. Yeah, because people are awesome and they're

[Jenna Cottrell]

cocky of you, Michael.

[Mike Catalana]

And they're like, buffalo plus, Buffalo Plus.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Not gonna lie. Very cool.

[Mike Catalana]

Very cool. So among the people who came to talk to us from Charleston, former Western New Yorkers Rich and William. Thank you for coming up and saying hello. We had Ray, we had George, we had Matt, we had Michael from Batavia, Orion from Pennsylvania.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

He could be on the show. Yeah, Guys got great voice.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Good talker. Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. And friend of the pod to friend of mine. Tom Sardo is a former basketball official on social media, likes our stuff. So all of them came up talking a little. Bill's Buffalo Plus. It's a lot of fun.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We did like six mini podcasts talking to people and a lot of it, of course, was about the draft and what our thoughts were and what did you think and now that, you know, time has passed. So that's why I figured this would be a great time to just kind of discuss what we got into.

[Mike Catalana]

Can I add one other thing about being at the game and you know this story. So Jen and I are in the press box and there's a group of guys right next to us drinking some beers. They did the shirts off. They were celebrating. Well, at one moment they celebrate with a beer and the beer kind of splashes over the thing a little bit on the laptop. They look over, oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I said, ah, it's good. It's no problem. It was minor. And they were so. And then he calls me over a little bit later and this is in the middle of the Sabres first playoff game. And he goes, what do you think the Bills are going to do in the draft?

[Jenna Cottrell]

And I was like, it was perfect.

[Mike Catalana]

That's it. That's what it is. So, yeah, even though they're following the Sabers, they.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I love the Western New Yorkers. Y. They crack me up. All right, so the draft has happened. It was. I mean, there was a lot going on between the Sabers and the Bills, But Buffalo made 10 picks, seven trades. Seven trades. That's pretty unbelievable.

[Dan Fates]

That's a lot of trades.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Now how are you feeling now that. That the weekend has come and gone? Bless you.

[Mike Catalana]

Exactly. Thank you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

How am I feeling?

[Mike Catalana]

Look, I. I wanna. We have to reserve judgment on how these guys will play. Right. So I look at it in general. Am I excited about seeing what some of these players can do? Right. Well, we don't know how TJ Park Parker is going to play. We. You know, everybody seems to be excited because it's a wide receiver. Let's see. Guy had, looks good, had one good year. So let's see how that translates and how quickly.

[Dan Fates]

I think that's slander.

[Mike Catalana]

No, but I'm saying is that is a real thing. Maybe that's. Hey. And maybe that's why you got him in the fourth round. Because sometimes teams shy away from. I like. I. There's a lot to like about the players. But now they're. You say, Dan, what do you say? Everybody likes the picks until their players. And then you could like the players until they actually play.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And then we got to find out. So I'm semi encouraged. I don't know how impactful initially this draft class is going to be on the field week number one. I think it's going to take a little bit.

[Dan Fates]

Absolutely.

[Mike Catalana]

And I think, you know, we'll see.

[Dan Fates]

And it was a unique draft class. We talked at length pre draft about nil and how that's affecting the older players. And you know more in this class and. But the bottom line is I still thought you had to go into this weekend and come out with the hope that you're finding three start. I. I don't see three starters, like you said in week one.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, yeah, week one, but I mean, the hope is like in any rookies, even if the guy's, you know, the 16th pick in the draft, Jenna, that doesn't mean like week one. You think he's stepping in the lineup and starting. That's the hope. That's what you're looking for. You want him to show, but I don't know. But to get three. I think they're. I mean, there's a path for several of these guys to be rotational players right away.

[Dan Fates]

Well, there's a path that I'll tend. Oh, they're gonna say right away, you saved it there at the end. What Mike said. There's a path for these guys to start. Several of these guys to start right away.

[Mike Catalana]

I guess. I don't know.

[Dan Fates]

I was going.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't get too caught up in the word starters because in the NFL, it's like, I mean, are you playing?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, it's like substantial time.

[Mike Catalana]

Substantial time. I'm not talking about, oh, boy, he's getting two snaps here.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm talking about T.J. parker should absolutely be in the rotation of pass rushers as a number, their first pick.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right.

[Mike Catalana]

And you need. Well, we'll talk about the corners and the wide receiver. I mean, I will say this. I've heard people who cover the Bills or talk about the Bills talk about how there's not room for these people to move into a starting role. I'm like, why do we look at this roster like it is so locked in, especially on the defensive side where obviously the narrative has been the defense was bad last year, not good enough, cost you in the playoffs. And then you act like, okay, so we brought in C.J. gardner, Johnson, and we brought in Bradley, Bradley Chubb. And now. And now we just go to work like. Right.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, there's still, in my opinion, Jenna, there's still plenty of work to be done.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I, I agree. I think we've talked so much about wanting the top end talent here. And I think that with the draft class that was just Overall of for 20, 26, it wasn't thought of that there was a lot of top end talent. It was more of a depth class. But. But I look at what the Bills picks that they made. They did six on defense, you know, was it four on offense? And Then special teamer. I. I thought, like, there was. It's funny, we're gonna say the word value, but I did. I did feel like I was like, all right, I get. I get. I know the buzzword. I did. I did understand it, But I'm like, okay, I. I think there's plenty of competition that's gonna come from this roster. But I wasn't, like, blown away where I was like. I. I totally. I don't know how to say it. I just was like, okay, they. They drafted. There's some players I like, some players I question. And there is still more that I want them to do with this roster in terms of free agents and. And building from there, because I just still don't look at this and say, yes, this roster has the talent to get to where they've always wanted to go.

[Mike Catalana]

Dan. I almost feel like they have two groups of rookie defensive players to get on the field this year. Because last year. They drafted last year.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Dion is the only one that had substantial play on defense.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Like, substantial, because T.J. sanders did not, obviously.

[Dan Fates]

Walker was a consistent contributor.

[Mike Catalana]

Right.

[Dan Fates]

To that defensive line.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, he. He made plays.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. And so I'm saying is, when you look at any of these players now, they need to get more. Well, they need to get more out of those guys or these guys, because this will be two drafts in a row. You have gone. We're going to fit. We were fixing the defense for Sean McDermott. Now we're fixing it for Jim Leonard. Okay. These guys have to contribute. And now those players have been around for a year. And so, you know, Landon Jackson's coming back off an injury. Jordan Hancock showed some flashes. They liked him. Max. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Well, we're still waiting to see if Javon Solomon can fit in this system.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. But he's more towards the end of that now.

[Dan Fates]

I'm just saying, like, you're still. And that's what I also want to, like, reiterate, like, to Jenna's point, some picks I like, some picks I didn't. We don't know. I. I loved TJ Sanders, and what I saw at camp, I liked. I was team last year, massive human being. And that was Dionne Walker.

[Mike Catalana]

Right.

[Dan Fates]

Like, that was what I was most excited about to see in the preseason was like, I just want to see, like, literally just see and look at Deon Walker as the man that he is. Like, so you're still trying to figure some of that out. So, like, I'm not in here saying, like, this guy's got no Chance. This guy's got no chance. This guy's got no chance. But there are other teams and as we said, we're going to talk around the rest of the AFC east. Like, there are teams that I can just look and say, like, that guy is going to. I can see that guy making plays next year for that team. And it's a little bit tougher, in my opinion. And I don't mean to be Buffalo minus that. Like, I think there are. It's a harder path for some of these guys to make substantial impact. Like, I think you want to find another guy like Dion Walker's impact.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, well, that. And that might be T.J. sanders this year.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

No.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh.

[Dan Fates]

Like what Mike said, like last year, contributing this year.

[Mike Catalana]

And now we're going to elevated Max to starter, which I think the Bills have too. And then they drafted a guy in the second round, so.

[Dan Fates]

And it's also. We're still trying to figure out. And like you said, they were drafting last year based off a 43 defense. This year it is not a 43 defense. They're trying to draft for a 34 defense of Jim Leonard. So you don't want to lose last year's draft class or move on from them. You're trying to see how they will now. They're a piece of the puzzle, but it's a new kind of puzzle this year.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Is that fair to say, at least in some way?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Because I look at the two top picks and I would have thought both of those guys physically fit into a Sean McDermott system, right?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

But they drafted him. I don't think we have to go with some things, but the physical traits on some players are going to work and some are just better in some systems than others. But I think. I don't think there's any doubt.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. Players, players play in a 43 play in Pittsburgh on the defensive line, and then they go to another team that plays a four three. Like it's.

[Mike Catalana]

Look at Von Miller. Yeah, right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's very true.

[Mike Catalana]

Right. So.

[Dan Fates]

And Vaughn also kind of did his own thing and I mean, he was stand up.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right.

[Mike Catalana]

For.

[Dan Fates]

For a defense event in a 43 of Sean McDermott.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

So again.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And it works until got hurt and

[Dan Fates]

then it worked because he's a really good player.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right, Exactly.

[Mike Catalana]

That's a crazy plan to get the really good guys, get good players.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was surprising. So the draft happens. Here's the way I look at it. And like, I want to be excited about this roster and we've talked so much about the changes they've made in this offseason and how this team is trying to get to a place they have not been before. But when I look at this roster and the additions that they've made and, and I don't want to knock these new players. I also just think, though, for this team, like, I don't look at this roster and say, like, they got exponentially better. And I'm, I know that they have the, the talent to, you know, get to an AFC championship, win an AFC championship game. So I feel like I see what they brought in and I think there's some really nice pieces. I do wonder about, like, how many guys will be able to make an immediate impact in year one. And I just look at were, you know, Josh Allen is going to be 30. And I know I talk about that a lot, but I just feel like some, the, the window for a team to be good, like, I, I want, the clock is ticking. And, and so I get, you know, you have these players and you invested a lot in them, and it is a process and I don't want to knock that, but I just have that anxiety in the back of my head of, you know, Josh Allen's window is also ticking too.

[Dan Fates]

Exactly. It's trying to look at and comment in with your feelings as we are right now on April 29th. I think that this is, everybody is excited about their team because there are, there are 10 shiny new toys and everybody has the hope. It's, it's opening day of baseball when everybody is 0 and 0. Right. Like, we're not quite yet at to best shape of their life season. But, but that is, that is next in the NFL calendar. But I look at it too, and Jenna, I, I, I, I'm with you because I do think that there is a path for TJ Parker and Skyler Bell to become starters.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And then the rest is how they develop.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

How they progress, how they fit and how they perform. All of that will be decided. It's. They're not going to become even Fernando Bendoza or Jeremiah Love. We can't sit there and say hall of Fame or bust.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like, no, absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

This is speculation.

[Mike Catalana]

We're also talking about a team that was on the edge of going to the super bowl and has been that prominent team. And you fired your coach in order to go over the top. Now, I will say, you know, Bradley Chubb is a good player. DJ Moore is a good player. Johnson, Gardner, Johnson are good players. I think they will all help. But we are at that point. And this puts a lot of pressure on Joe Brady. Right. Because he got hired to take him over the top. Now, let's see. Let's see what Jim Leonard does. Let's see how he incorporates these players. I think that's. That's what we're going to see. It's April, right. And there's still free agency. And I think Shaq Thompson's coming back. That would be my guess. They need another linebacker. Depends on how they look at it. I could see Shaq coming back, which I would like, because I like Shaq, and I think he can help them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying it's one of the other veterans.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I. I get the veteran saying, I do like Jalen Kilgore. I see the. The traits that he has, and I'm like, that could be something.

[Mike Catalana]

But I'm interested in even Cole Bishop taking another step. Max is fascinating to me. Max Hairston, because, look, the last few years of the draft, let's be honest, this is the thing. I mean, I think all of us, and I think a lot of the fans had immense ex. Not just respect for what Bean was doing. Like, trust in Bean in the beginning. Like, he made great moves.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Big baller Bean moves. Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

All that lately, like, you're talking about getting impact out of top hangers. Even Dalton Kincaid, who is a talented guy because of the injuries and because of maybe the lack of physicality, he's not on the field as much. Max got banged up. They need him to step in as a starter. Like. And then you're looking at, you know, like I said in last year's draft class, very little out of the.

[Dan Fates]

It's an incomplete grade.

[Mike Catalana]

Right. So let's see. This year, Dwayne Carter coming off injuries. That's why I'm saying is, like, there's a lot of dudes out there, and maybe. Maybe Jim Leonard is the guy to unlock it in some of these guys. Right. The way he approaches it.

[Dan Fates]

So you talked about Max Harrison being at the end of the draft. He did his press conference kind of evaluating the. He did. You know, he spoke after day two. He spoke again at the end of the draft and was asked if there was anything that happened that shocked him, and this is his answer.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

There's. I mean, there's always surprises without, you know, naming names. I would say, you know, we got one or two today that I would say we had rated a little bit higher, at least around higher on our board, everyone values players for their team, for their fit, for their, you know, and again, that's where you do stack your board a little bit by. By need. If you're like, man, I like this player, but I'm not sure I'm going to get this value out of them because I'm already got some pieces in front of him. You may slide them down a little bit. I got Ansi to go get igb. Well, I was going to try to be patient, but I saw corners going and I honestly, as we started this draft, thought that was the biggest hole in our roster was corner. And we talked about yesterday why and just the targets that get put on their backs if you don't have good enough players out there on the perimeter.

[Dan Fates]

Okay. So I took two tidbits out of that and also trying to read between the lines. One is the, the big one that he said corner was the biggest hole that they felt they had on this roster. I'll put that aside for just one second. Okay. He also said that he used value, but he said he goes, just gotta clip that. Yeah, one more time.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dan Fates]

He talked about value. And he goes. The way that you stack your board is sometimes you're trying to get the value out of it. And you may put a player lower because of the fit on your roster than another team may have because of the. What they have in front of them. So if you're considering that you valued corner higher than maybe other teams did, because you didn't, you thought there was an easier path on your current roster to make an impact, I think that kind of says at least a little bit about what they think of Max Hairston.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Well, yeah, if you look at it and you say, oh, a guy is dropping down your board because of the players in front of it. If a guy is jumping up your board and you're trading up to get him, does that say that you see that as, oh, he's someone that could be an immediate impact on this team, by the way.

[Mike Catalana]

I like that. I like, if there's any doubt and there's a player they think fits them better, go get them.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, right.

[Mike Catalana]

And I mean, and then, you know what I'm saying, like, don't sit there

[Dan Fates]

and go, we're going to make aggressive

[Mike Catalana]

beat two more years of if Max isn't the guy. Every down player, right. And you, you feel that way. Whatever the reason is, you did draft a corner high, by the way. I believe that corner, we talked a lot. That corner was a need for this team thinking it likely would have been a veteran and then maybe another draft pick. You know, a lot of times Christian Benford, you see guys in later rounds that just catch.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I figured they would come out of this draft with a corner or maybe two, but I didn't think it would be addressed as early as round two. And, and I think that's fair to say.

[Mike Catalana]

And it was. And it's round two and it's trading up to get him. So, hey, have at it. This. He could be, he could be a really good fit for him and he will get on the field. They're going to need to sign another veteran anyway.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes. And maybe this was Jim Leonard being like, hey, like, I need guys that are gonna fit my system and my scheme. And maybe that's why they were like, you know what? Igmanosan, Very good. It's hard. It's like in my brain. Igb. Igb. We look at him and he's got, you know, he's taller, he's bigger, he's. He's a guy that we can see. And having him be that much more of a role player in this defense.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I like, I like the fact.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, no, it's okay. I, I do think like, corner again was a need, but I guess for where they addressed it, I was, I, I thought it would be more looking at linebacker or defensive line or. I didn't think it was the biggest hole on this roster from the weekend.

[Dan Fates]

100. I agree. But I'm with you, Mike, in the sense of. I like that there was somebody there that got. Being excited to go up and make the move. Yeah, that, that I will say, like, you feel something. I need this guy. I don't want to leave anything to chance. I'm going to go get him. Because in years past, think about it, trading, he really has done that since Kincaid. And there's been times when you trade back, you're obviously saying you don't trade again. What's we talk about what's difference between 26 and 31. If you like the guy, take the guy. Like, whatever it is. I do think that we. And we talk a lot about it. And Bean has made the point before of the last game of your season and the way you go out says something about your team. I've thought about that a lot over the past, you know, weekend, last few days. Can you make too much, though, of the way that you go out in one game and not looking at the bigger sample size of the season and what you were. Because I think what Gets lost a little bit. And to Bean's comment of, hey, we didn't have the depth that was our biggest hole was at corner right. They did have the number one rated pass defense in the NFL. And stats can lie. I'm the first guy that tests against the run. Correct. I. I'm. But they weren't getting torched on a weekly basis.

[Mike Catalana]

No, but they gave up in that game.

[Dan Fates]

And Mike, to your point, can't you also say the lack of a pass rush also hurts their past defense? And it seemed like for years we've been talking about how they need to improve the pass rush to affect the quarterback. All of a sudden, pass rusher isn't.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, they had a pass rusher with

[Dan Fates]

their first pick after trading back.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, but they drafted a pass rusher. They addressed it early in that way. No, I agree. But by the way, if the way you went out is. Is if you overstate the way you went out, part of your issue in the way you went out in the last game was your quarterback turned the ball over five times.

[Dan Fates]

Well, that's the thing, is that I feel like. But I don't.

[Mike Catalana]

I think it's part of the whole thing.

[Dan Fates]

Agreed. But when we. When you look at one game, it's the reason that we talk about so much is that you have to sometimes zoom out a little bit.

[Mike Catalana]

You do, but.

[Dan Fates]

And because one game, there's a lot of variance, so they address things average out over time.

[Mike Catalana]

You address.

[Dan Fates]

I'm powering through it. You're powering through you. I'm going to do it.

[Mike Catalana]

Interruption off here. Right.

[Dan Fates]

Not gonna let it happen. I'm gonna keep talking.

[Mike Catalana]

Go, go, go.

[Dan Fates]

I'm gonna keep talking.

[Mike Catalana]

It's like two cars in the parking lot both backing up. And it's like, I'm better. Keep backing up. He's going to keep backing up. Daniel, go ahead.

[Dan Fates]

I lost it.

[Mike Catalana]

Now ch to jump in.

[Dan Fates]

That was good. There's the open.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That was unbelievable watching.

[Mike Catalana]

That's good. That's good podcasting.

[Dan Fates]

Good stuff, man.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like MJ and LeBron.

[Mike Catalana]

But here's the only thing I say about it. It's three years in a row, no matter their defensive problems, that wide receivers or pass catchers have not helped out Josh in the biggest moments. Yes. So that's why, when Casey Concepion is sitting there, if you can move up a couple of spots, I would. I would have. I drafted four guys and gone up and gotten them. You know what I mean?

[Dan Fates]

Like, somebody had a mock draft, you could have taken seven Wide receivers.

[Mike Catalana]

I do like the wide receiver they took. I'm excited to see.

[Dan Fates]

Very excited about.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I really like Skyler. Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

He's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He is. I think he's probably a lot of people's favorite pick from this draft. But it's where you get that player that you see what he can add. And it is at a position of need. And for the Bills, they found it at a spot that they felt very comfortable with, obviously. And I don't want to say the. The word that has been thrown around already.

[Mike Catalana]

Value.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay. We want to take a look around the division.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. We can do this kind of quickly and look. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Because. So the dolphins had 13 picks.

[Mike Catalana]

I love the Dolphins picks.

[Dan Fates]

I just.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I. I loved the Dolphins draft.

[Mike Catalana]

So I was looking at Kaden Proctor went high. That dude is a monster.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

When he. You don't like him.

[Dan Fates]

Not Alabama couldn't run the football.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. But that you. You're blaming that all on the one lineman. He's fit. You draft. His traits are off the charts for his side regardless. Jacob Rodriguez.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I know. Chris Bell.

[Mike Catalana]

And by the way, for those who say well, they draft high. They took Rodriguez 43rd and they took Bell 94th.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

So.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And then Kyle Lewis.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Linebacker Michael Taffy. 150. I love him. I know. I was. I was very sad. This is why the draft bothers me because you take so much time, you do so much work, you fall in love with some players and then you. You see him go in the division. You're like.

[Dan Fates]

And then some of them. Skyler Bell's right in your. Yeah. Right in your lap.

[Mike Catalana]

It might be. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. The jets not eight picks. Sorry.

[Mike Catalana]

He took Sadiq who is a. Everybody loves the superstar tight end. And the Eagles even did it Vanderbilt guy who's physical marvel. Sometimes it's like oh, he's. He's a difference maker. This guy is a freak athlete and looks like he could be.

[Dan Fates]

I don't hate the jets skilled players like they have an offense. It's going to come down to Geno and what Geno can be.

[Mike Catalana]

Or the next quarterback.

[Dan Fates]

Correct. The next quarterback. But we know Garrett Wilson Adnai Mitchell played well at times. And now in the slot that you can have Omar Cooper Jr. You have the tight end. They've got two decent tackles now in. In their eyes. And you have Bree hall like they have a better skill position group than the Bills.

[Mike Catalana]

Do you think.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

How do you think the drafting Omar Cooper and a tight end. You think Carrot Wilson could be on the block at trade deadline Honestly, I. I can see I'm saying, like, yeah,

[Jenna Cottrell]

I hear you so good.

[Dan Fates]

But Omar Cooper was so much better in the slot. He was mainly a slot guy.

[Mike Catalana]

By the way. Speaking of that, there's a narrative out there and I saw the jets people talking about, and our friend of the pod, Christopher Paso was talking about it, that the jets jumped ahead of the Bills to get Omar Cooper. Now that's a.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The Bills were on the clock at 26.

[Mike Catalana]

They were on the clock at 26.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like they could have had them if they wanted them.

[Mike Catalana]

Unless you believed. Well, we have seen the Bills do that. But like, if they really wanted Omar Cooper, if Beam was like, I'm taking him. Yeah, he would have taken them.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Agreed it.

[Mike Catalana]

One of those two spots. I don't think he's trading back again. And then they jumped ahead of him. So the jets like him. That's good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They passed on him twice.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Which. Yeah. It's a first round draft. Like, is a tight end worth a first round draft pick?

[Dan Fates]

I mean, like, I think in today's NFL, I think it can be, but like sometimes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Sadiq. Okay. In 2025, Colston Loveland, who was really good, good player. Brock Bower.

[Mike Catalana]

Brock Bowers. Those two.

[Dan Fates]

And then Brooke Bowers is so good.

[Mike Catalana]

So what'd you say?

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't. Yes. And. Well, Dalton Kincaid.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. Brock Bowers is so good.

[Dan Fates]

So good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Trey McBride. Kyle Pitts.

[Mike Catalana]

Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is the traits all over the place guy.

[Dan Fates]

Correct.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. But still has. Maybe I just have Kyle Pitts just still in my brain where it's like you, you see all the potential in the world and then it's still. You're like waiting for it all to come together.

[Mike Catalana]

Men disappoint.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right, let's go to the. No comment. The Patriots, nine picks. I didn't. I didn't really love their draft.

[Mike Catalana]

So they drafted Llama. Llama. Right. The tackle.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And now they want to move them to the right side and then they're still holding out hope that their left tackle.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, give me that one more time.

[Mike Catalana]

So they got him on the left side. This guy now moving to the right. And any offensive lineman will tell you moving sides is. Is not easy.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

To do that.

[Dan Fates]

Totally unusual.

[Mike Catalana]

It's not. But like they use number one picks. It's as similar. It's not quite as high. Similar to what sort of what the Bills did. You take Max and then you take another corner, though. They're going to try to move this guy to the right.

[Dan Fates]

Spencer moved from Left to right.

[Mike Catalana]

Spencer Brown.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

It's usually the best tackles are your left tackle. And then if a team already has a left tackle, they want to get him on the field.

[Mike Catalana]

So it's still. It's a. It's a big move. And they need offensive line help, as we saw.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I do like gay back is.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's going to be good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Other than that, I wasn't like him.

[Mike Catalana]

And they're. They're adding A.J. brown. Everybody knows that's going to happen.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Now.

[Mike Catalana]

Is Vrabel. Is he just working from home a couple days a week? Is that what Vrabel's doing now?

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was really weird that it was the third day.

[Mike Catalana]

How about that? The third day and then he's back.

[Dan Fates]

We all know treatment facilities start on Saturday. Rehab facilities.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, but he took off Saturday. Yeah, he took off Saturday and Sunday, and he was back to work on Monday also.

[Dan Fates]

Take a pitch, New England. You didn't need to post, like, back to work.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Take a pitch.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I mean, trust me, there's enough pictures of Mike Vrabel going around. You guys didn't need to post one. One day after the drive.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You could let it breathe.

[Mike Catalana]

You're like, yeah, yeah. They. I just do think very is weird.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Very strange. The story has been out.

[Mike Catalana]

The only thing handled worse than this handle. He handled this as poorly as this game plan for the Super Bowl.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, my gosh.

[Mike Catalana]

I figured shots.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

He.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Certainly the other person involved in this.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Has gotten a lot.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

And. And to the extent of how much it's deserved is for. We don't know the entire thing, but they deserve whatever they're getting in their lives. Mike Vrabel has kind of, you know, tried to meander his way through, and I do think in some form, it impacts the team. You know, our Mike Giardi, our guy, I heard him on his podcast. He was like, hey, fans, coaches, don't leave the building on Saturday of the draft. So it's already affected football. May not be a ton, but we don't know if this is the beginning of other stuff that will come into play.

[Dan Fates]

Well, I think it'd be for as much as people didn't want to talk about the story, and it kind of kept going. It's grown into. I mean, again, Vrabel goes from this is laughable to Rossini resigning to now Vrabel having to step away. He's had to do two press conferences on it. More pictures have come out. Like Spotify playlists are now Being come, you know, coming out. Like, it is getting. It is getting weirder and weirder by the day. So to sit there and say, oh, Vrabel stepped away for a day of the draft. Now it's all hunky dory and we can move on.

[Mike Catalana]

It's. It's why the A.J. brown thing is no question going to happen. Because they need positive. Positive.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And in addition to the roster.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. So no, that's true. Life advice time. Remember to send in your questions to hey, buffalo [e-mail].

[Mike Catalana]

and this is the kind of thing, like, something that's happened to you, something that happened to a friend. What would you do?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And of course, most people, the first thing they think is what would Janet, Dan, and Mike. So send us an email.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, you're in actual trouble. Seek help. Like, we want to make that abundantly your favorite.

[Mike Catalana]

Bill's podcast.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. What could go wrong?

[Mike Catalana]

Right?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay. This comes in from John. Hey, guys. Long time listener of the pod, and I need some life advice here. My wife has a strict rule. If the food hits the expiration date, it immediately is getting thrown out, no questions asked. Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking a lot of stuff that is still perfectly fine for at least a little while after this has turned into a reoccurring debate in our house, and I need a ruling. And am I being reasonable, trying to stretch things a bit, or is she right to play it safe every single time? Would love to hear your take and maybe we settle this once and for all.

[Dan Fates]

I want to get to something after this. This is a great question because my. My wife and I do this all the time as well. She is so quick. I mean, she is very tidy. Like, so, like, she hates clutter. So, like, if there's something in the fridge and she's like, oh, this expired a day ago, and it'll be like pickles. Like, something that isn't. Like, it's not like chicken. Yeah. Like, what were you just. We just had something the other day. We were talking about it, and it was, oh, pepperoni or salami. And she's like, oh, we got that last week. And I was like, it's a cured meat. That's the whole point. It's supposed to last hand up. I also grew up in a household where my father, who worked in the restaurant industry, so he knew, like, health code standards and violations, like, would leave cheeseburgers in there for quite some time after and eat them. And so, like, we just grew up understanding, like, those are suggestions if you don't see mold on something. Yeah. Then you move on.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, Jenna's big on the mold thing,

[Jenna Cottrell]

so you just pick off the mold. It depends on how much. Okay.

[Dan Fates]

I think block of cheese.

[Mike Catalana]

Wait a minute.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Just pick off the mold.

[Mike Catalana]

What does Zach think when you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, Zach is horrified. I think Zach sometimes thinks I'm an animal because I grew up in a household where growing up, my dad would always be like, it's fine. It's fine. Just eat whatever. It's fine. And so I always was grossed out by that. And then as an adult, when you're spending so much money on things, I'm like, it's fine. I. Unless it's like. Like chicken and you smell it, you're like, I don't know, man.

[Dan Fates]

Hold on.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But that's different.

[Mike Catalana]

Chicken, you can get really, really sick.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes. That is different.

[Mike Catalana]

We're also talking about raw food. Yeah. So all these things are a little different. Raw. Un. Obviously uncooked chicken left there. There's a date on it.

[Dan Fates]

Salmonella is a real thing.

[Mike Catalana]

It's a real thing.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But, like, some of the stuff. Like, there's bread in our. In our kitchen. If I see a little bit of mold on it.

[Dan Fates]

You just don't eat that piece.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, you. You take. You pick off the mold, and you eat it. Is that bad?

[Mike Catalana]

Eat the mold? You mean you eat.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You take pick off the mold and then you eat. Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

I took bread out, and I made a sandwich, and then I flipped the sandwich over. The whole back of his mold. I was like, I could. Then I couldn't do it. I was done.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. I mean, that's foul. Yeah. We don't want that for you.

[Mike Catalana]

And then there's. There's things that are in. Like. Like, I think we have some kind of grape jelly that has been there since the people who own the house before us left it there. Like, it's been. And it's like, it's got a lot of sugar in it.

[Dan Fates]

There's a lot of processed food these days. It's fine. And I'm the same way, too. Renee will go to. Will go through the pantry, and she'll throw away things that have expired, like, a month ago. It's a canned food.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

It's good for a long time. It's canned.

[Mike Catalana]

You can put it in those bomb shelters.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Reminds me of Dwight. True. I feel when he has to eat all the food out of it.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But I. I almost. I almost feel like this is like the Olive Theory with couples. Like, there's always one Person that is like, you need to throw away the food at this time. And there's always.

[Mike Catalana]

Wait a minute. Is it.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Do you know.

[Dan Fates]

No.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No. Do you know the olives?

[Dan Fates]

Do you like olives? Answer the question.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Does Jenny like olives?

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, but like, no, I'm talking about, like, you know, like, when you. You go to a party or something like that, and there may be, like, black olives out there.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. So keep this in mind. When I grew up as a kid, my mom would put black olives out. None of us would want to eat black olives. Except the other food wasn't on the table yet, so you attack. And then we used to put them on fingers.

[Dan Fates]

I do that with Shane to this day and all the kids.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't love the black olives, but I eat them because they're there.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, so would Jenny eat the black olives if they were?

[Mike Catalana]

Probably not.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay, the.

[Dan Fates]

You would.

[Mike Catalana]

The theory is.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The theory is, in a couple, there's one person that likes olives and one person.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay, well, then if it's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's like the.

[Mike Catalana]

A good couple, it's like there's one person who keeps stuff and one who can't wait to get rid of it.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. But the olive theory is. Is loctite. I do not like olives if they're in a dish. Fine. I'm not going to be a child and, like, pick around them, but I do not like olives. Renee likes olive salad. Renee likes all, like, she eats green olives, black olives, anything you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So I've actually come around on olives a lot, mostly because of dirty martinis. But a blue cheese stuffed olive. Oh, my God.

[Mike Catalana]

Are you. Olive becomes a secondary part of it.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Doesn't matter.

[Dan Fates]

Star.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's. But, like, the olive juice is, I

[Mike Catalana]

don't think, like, a big thing. You know, I think we're sort of neutral.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We got so off track. All I was saying was that there's always. It feels like in a couple, the one person that wants to throw away food right when it says expires, and the other person.

[Mike Catalana]

So in our house, we just had this with medicine. And I'm not talking about prescriptions, I'm talking about Tylenol, anything. So Jenny went through the whole thing. She goes, oh, this one, it was like. It was like acetaminophen or whatever it was. And she's like, oh, it's expired. Like, three weeks. I'm like, three weeks. First of all, it also depends on, like, how bad your headache.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't Think I would ever even look at it?

[Mike Catalana]

We threw away some stuff that was insanely old.

[Jenna Cottrell]

When you look at the packaging, you're

[Mike Catalana]

like this, you know that like when it's like Ben or something and you, you unscrew the top and it looks like it's, it's Somebody disintegrated.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. It turned to dust.

[Mike Catalana]

Just chuck it. We'll buy and I'll buy a new bottle. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

My brother had a very fun game after we both moved out after college we can usually we would go through my parents pantry and find something that was before we like moved.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh yeah.

[Dan Fates]

So it was like, hey, the kids wanted Mac, the grandkids wanted Mac and cheese one time and she made it. And we like looked at the box where we threw it away and we're like, this is a really old design of craft. And we're like, this is from 2008. We're like, we're not eating this. We're like, you, you moved it and kept it. Like, I don't know what that that was.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, that's, I think that's every like parents house, my grandparents house.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. I don't know if this is, this goes into the expiration date and things like that. You and me, I know are aligned on the same page. Mike, if you eat pizza take out, what do you do with the pizza after the night is over?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, see, I, I, so if it doesn't have meat on it, I leave the pizza out.

[Dan Fates]

Doesn't matter.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay. I also, it's cooked.

[Mike Catalana]

I eat it the next morning temperature.

[Dan Fates]

It sits in the box on the stove. If it's in the box on the stove.

[Jenna Cottrell]

If it has pepperoni on it, I leave it out. But if it has like sausage on it, I'll put it in the fridge.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't think there's really anything in my brain.

[Jenna Cottrell]

There is.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, please, I'm asking you comment in this is a very hot button debate. We've, we've debated this in the bill's media room. Yes. Like what do you do with the pizza?

[Mike Catalana]

I love, I can't wait to get up the next morning that open that box up and I will eat the rest of them before anybody gets up. And with a cup of coffee.

[Dan Fates]

That's a little wild.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I, I love that coffee and cold black pizza.

[Dan Fates]

No, I like cold pizza.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Room temperature, room temperature pizza. Hot black coffee.

[Dan Fates]

I don't like pizza that scolds my mouth. I would much rather have it at room temp.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And I mean I like hot.

[Mike Catalana]

If you have with me. If you're pizza has pineapple on it, you're just a criminal. So that's it. Don't get pizza with pineapple.

[Dan Fates]

You know what I think about that? We're so off topic, but I think there are two types of people in the world. People that know how to load the dishwasher correctly and criminals. See, okay, why there's a right way and a wrong way. We just watched load.

[Mike Catalana]

Jenny and I just watched videos of this and we were laughing because the guy.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was a segment on the news.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, they did have another one too. And they were doing a whole thing about loading the dishwasher. I am pretty good. And then I'm flawed. I'm elite at emptying the dishwasher. I got my own way of doing it. I should patent it for people to do. But loading the dishwasher every once in a while, you just shove that extra thing. It really does screw up the whole thing. But we're both pretty good at it

[Dan Fates]

because Renee loads it a lot and I unload it a lot. And I'm just sitting there going, she

[Mike Catalana]

loads it up and it's. There's water all over the place.

[Dan Fates]

Water. There's things that should be on the bottom rack to get a little bit more of a rinse. And then you have your cups and smaller bowls on top. And I also run my dishwasher one and a half times a day. Our kids go through. Yeah, our kids go through 19 cups, 14 water bottles, and 17 bowls.

[Mike Catalana]

By the way, does this answer the question about expiration dates? By the way, Last thing on food, you know, with little kids, hits the ground. Three second rule, like, whatever. Oh, how are you with that?

[Jenna Cottrell]

I. If it's my kitchen floor and something drops, I'm gonna eat it. Zach is so. Again, Zach is so appalled.

[Mike Catalana]

I am an animal.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's just like. He's like, oh, my God. I'll like, if it's bad, I'll just, like, rinse it in the sink.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, my God. I can't.

[Dan Fates]

What are you rinsing?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Just like. I don't know if it like fell on the floor and it was like,

[Mike Catalana]

what is it, a piece of pizza?

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, like, if I.

[Dan Fates]

You're rinsing your food.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, if it falls on the floor and a blueberry. No, I'm just eating it.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But like, if Zach's watching me, I might rinse it because he's just making again. There's times I'm like, we have a black lab.

[Mike Catalana]

And that's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

See that that's different because you have dogs.

[Mike Catalana]

Everything you pick up and it's got dogs.

[Dan Fates]

That's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's different.

[Mike Catalana]

Clean and clean.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We don't have a dog.

[Dan Fates]

First kid, I remember with Shane, if something hit the floor, it's like, oh, don't let her put that in her mouth. Second kid, it's like, yeah, now when

[Mike Catalana]

you send the dog,

[Dan Fates]

something falls in. Taylor, our one and a half year old, is gonna go eat it. I just give it to Ryan or something. It's like. That goes to show you, like, the evolution of, like, having kids. Michael.

[Mike Catalana]

I was gonna say I'm getting fined all over the place.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I'm a third kid, so maybe that's why. And Zach's the oldest, so I think maybe that's kids. He needs, like the fan. And the room's got to be dark to sleep. You put me anywhere.

[Mike Catalana]

Calling out, Zach, we gotta have him on.

[Dan Fates]

Zach's gotta have on the pod. Defend himself.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Hate to be on the pod.

[Mike Catalana]

No, come on. We need the linebacker on the pod.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No.

[Mike Catalana]

Need a linebacker. Y. Yeah, I don't think.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't know. I don't know if he's their guy. Okay. Great pod, Great pod. Last thing. So we were talking about this before. This was what Dan was. We. We decided to save this for the pod because I am going on a trip soon. And I got new sneakers for said trip. And they're really, really white. And I'm trying to break them in, but I feel ridiculous because they're so white and, like, shiny. I feel like you can't look directly at them. And I was saying, how. Why these?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, they're not so there.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They're so white. They're so white. I don't know. But I was like, oh, it feels, like, embarrassing to, like, break in new white shoes. And then Dan didn't know what breaking in new shoes was.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. First of all, you wear them around the house. Yeah. In case you don't like them. So you didn't take them outside so you can return them.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I've never broken in a pair of shoes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's like, you just. You never even had heard of the concept here.

[Mike Catalana]

What are you doing?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, there's been a lot of comments about my shoe game, and I never once been like, hang on, let me wear these around the house.

[Mike Catalana]

Where you were you giving yourself?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

With the shoe game today, it's rainy, so I didn't want to wear anything too nice. But I was very self conscious when picking out my shoes today.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Really?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But like the fact that the viewers

[Dan Fates]

are in my head.

[Mike Catalana]

Viewers break in shoes. They do, absolutely.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

They break in shoes because they're not.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I just can't believe you never heard of the concept of it.

[Mike Catalana]

So you. When you're breaking in your shoes, are you also picking up food off the floor?

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think a lot of people probably, like, if you don't have dogs or. I don't have. We don't have dogs or cats. Something drops on the floor.

[Mike Catalana]

We clean all the time.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's just say, I vacuum all the time. Yeah, the dog is tough when he's just.

[Mike Catalana]

Anyhow. All right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But people break in their shoes. This is not. This is not crazy behavior.

[Dan Fates]

Comment in your thoughts on the bills, expiration dates, Eating food off the floor. Food off the floor.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Also, I'm not having, like, a meal off the floor.

[Dan Fates]

Janet just sits there, spills her plate, and Judge is like, I'll just eat it off the floor.

[Jenna Cottrell]

She's holding it.

[Dan Fates]

She's rinsing off pasta.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, Whatever. You guys suck. Okay. All right. Yeah. Comment in your thoughts on all the stuff that Dan talked about. And yeah, if you do have a question for life advice, just send it in. Hey. Or no. Sorry, excuse me. Hey, buffalo+gmail.com. all right, that'll do it for us. For Mike and Dan. I'm Jenna. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe, and share. We'll catch you next time here on the Buffalo plus podcast and.

[Dan Fates]

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