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Build a Better Agency Podcast
Hosted by Drew McLellan · EN
Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.
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Episode 556 Key Insights from the 2026 Agency Edge Study with Susan Baier
2d ago00:53:09Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This time, host Drew McLellan teams up once again with research partner Susan Baier from Audience Audit to unpack the findings from the highly anticipated 2026 Agency EDGE study. Together, they examine how AI is impacting agencies and, more importantly, the shifting expectations and priorities of agency clients in this rapidly changing landscape. Drew and Susan discuss how clients' attitudes toward AI have evolved dramatically over the past year. Gone are the days of uncertainty and secrecy—now, clients expect agencies to be transparent about their use of AI and, even more significantly, to serve as strategic guides and governance partners in the age of automation. The conversation explores three core client segments that have emerged: strategic stewards prioritizing brand protection, adaptive accelerators seeking innovation at speed, and performance pragmatists laser-focused on measurable outcomes. You'll hear why differentiation is more important than ever for agencies, especially as client expectations for sophisticated strategy, proactive guidance, and data-driven decision-making continue to rise. The hosts also highlight new business opportunities for agencies willing to lead on AI adoption, particularly in providing governance and integrating technology across the buyer's journey. If you want to understand what clients truly value today—and how your agency can step up to claim a central, irreplaceable role—this episode is essential listening. Packed with actionable insights, it's a must for any agency leader eager to thrive in the AI era and beyond. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Discover the three distinct client segments that define agency value in the AI era Learn why strategic leadership has become the top priority for agency clients Understand how AI has shifted from experimental to table stakes in just 365 days Master the art of challenging clients while maintaining strong relationships Develop frameworks for positioning your agency within specific value propositions Transform your account management approach from order-taking to strategic consultation Create differentiation strategies that separate you from generalist competitors Build client relationships that leverage AI while emphasizing human insight Implement governance strategies that protect brands while embracing innovation
Transcribe →Episode 555 The Mindset Shift Every Agency Leader Must Make with Drew McLellan
1w ago01:03:49Tap to summarizeWelcome to a pivotal solo episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan takes listeners on an honest and insightful journey through the real work of agency leadership, exploring the mental and emotional shifts required to move from talented employee or manager to confident agency owner. Drawing on more than 25 years of experience and candid stories from agency owners nationwide, Drew unpacks the identity shift every leader must make—from seeking permission and sticking to their craft, to taking full, radical responsibility for the outcome of their business. You'll hear powerful confessions from new owners as they share those "aha" moments when the weight of ownership finally hit home, from financial scares to difficult personnel decisions. This episode tackles three essential lenses that shape the growth of agency leaders: developing a growth mindset (inspired by Carol Dweck), evolving from technician to true entrepreneur (with a nod to Michael Gerber's E-Myth), and embracing an ownership mentality as described by Carrie Siggins' "Ownership Mindset." Drew provides actionable advice on shifting beliefs that hold leaders back, such as hesitancy around finances, reluctance to delegate, and resistance to uncomfortable decisions. Whether you're a new or soon-to-be owner, an emerging leader, or a veteran still wrestling with self-doubt, this episode is packed with practical steps, introspective challenges, and resources to help you own your power and build an agency you're truly proud of. Don't miss this empowering discussion. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Understand why the identity shift from employee to owner is the hardest part of the transition Learn the three critical lenses for developing an ownership mindset: growth mindset, role clarity, and responsibility ownership Discover the common triggers that make ownership feel real for most agency leaders Recognize why true leaders act like owners long before they own equity in the business Understand the difference between collaboration and abdication in leadership decisions Learn how to move from execution-focused to strategy-focused thinking as an owner Gain insights from real owner confessions about pivotal moments of realization Understand why financial literacy becomes critical when you truly own the outcomes Discover how accepting responsibility also grants you permission to change what's broken
Transcribe →Episode 554 Breaking the Barriers That Prevent Agency Scaling with Trevor McGregor
2w ago01:09:35Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with executive business coach Trevor McGregor to tackle one of the most critical and persistent challenges agency owners face: scaling their business. Drawing from his expansive coaching experience and background working alongside leaders like Tony Robbins, Trevor McGregor unpacks the most common barriers that keep agencies from moving beyond their current stage and achieving true growth. Together, Drew McLellan and Trevor McGregor dig into the real reasons agency owners frequently find themselves stuck—covering everything from limiting beliefs and lack of vision to poor systems, time management struggles, and the all-important execution gap. Trevor McGregor draws on decades of coaching and shares his "five reasons agencies fail to scale," as well as actionable advice around improving your mindset, building better systems, and elevating your standards as a leader. You'll also hear practical strategies like conducting a personal time audit, leveraging the "four S's" (state, story, standards, and strategy), and working through resistance to delegation and process-building. The conversation also highlights the deeper "why" behind leading an agency—not just in terms of revenue or staff size, but the impact you have on clients, employees, and your own life. Drew McLellan and Trevor McGregor stress the importance of reconnecting with your passion and leveraging accountability—whether through peer groups or coaching—to move from ideas into tangible results. Real-life anecdotes, references to industry reinvention (including the impact of AI), and honest advice about sustaining momentum keep this discussion engaging and relevant. Don't miss this episode if you're committed to breaking through your current plateau and building not just a bigger, but a better, more impactful agency. By the end, you'll leave with a renewed sense of purpose and a roadmap for taking practical steps toward growth—plus a heartfelt reminder of why you chose this path in the first place. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn Identify the 5 universal barriers that prevent agency scaling regardless of business size or experience level Transform limiting beliefs about failure, criticism, and worthiness into fuel for breakthrough growth Create strategic plans that work in rapidly changing markets without needing to see the entire roadmap Build systems for support that leverage your zone of genius while delegating everything else Apply the law of polarity to flip fear-based thinking into opportunity-focused action Navigate perpetual change as a competitive advantage rather than a threat to stability Develop the psychology of success that separates scaling agencies from struggling ones Use failure as feedback to accelerate growth rather than evidence to quit or retreat
Transcribe →553 Building AI Automations to Streamline Your Agency Operations with Kaitlyn Study
3w ago00:58:55Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is joined by agency owner and automation enthusiast Caitlin Studdy for a deep dive into the world of AI-driven automations—an essential, but often underutilized, tool for agencies looking to boost efficiency, profitability, and team satisfaction. In this episode, Caitlin Studdy recounts her journey from agency founder to automation "nerd," sharing how necessity and a passion for problem-solving led her to streamline countless repetitive tasks using tools like Zapier, ChatGPT, and more. Whether she's automating social posts, onboarding clients, or implementing AI-powered hiring bots, Caitlin Studdy reveals how each automation not only saves time, but also reclaims valuable brain space for higher-level creative and strategic work. The conversation is packed with actionable insights—from identifying automation opportunities in everyday agency operations to building simple "grilled cheese" workflows that anyone can try. Drew McLellan and Caitlin Studdy also explore the evolving landscape of AI technology, discussing how new capabilities are opening doors previously closed to small and mid-sized agencies. If you're ready to tackle inefficiency head-on, empower your team to work smarter (not harder), and get inspired by real-world examples of automation in action, this episode is a must-listen. By the end, you'll view your agency's processes with a fresh perspective—and be eager to experiment with automations that can transform your business for good. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn How to identify which repetitive tasks in your agency are prime candidates for automation The step-by-step process for building your first agency automations using beginner-friendly tools like Zapier Why starting with simple two-step automations leads to better long-term success than complex workflows How AI integration has expanded automation possibilities beyond basic task scheduling to intelligent decision-making The communication strategies needed to get team buy-in when implementing automated systems Which types of agency tasks should remain human-driven versus automated for optimal results How to build automated hiring systems that score candidates and send follow-up questionnaires The surprising ways agency automations improve client service and reduce dropped balls Real examples from 500+ automations including client meeting prep, social media management, and billing workflows
Transcribe →552 Virtual Event Monetization and Lead Generation with Kevin Sanderson
May 300:56:23Tap to summarizeWelcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with virtual event expert Kevin Sanderson to unravel the secrets behind leveraging online summits to grow your agency—and your client's business. With over 30 virtual summits under his belt, Kevin Sanderson brings his firsthand knowledge of creating, marketing, and monetizing virtual events, making this episode a must-listen for agency owners seeking innovative ways to expand their reach. Kevin Sanderson walks listeners through the different types of online events, from single-presenter webinars and dynamic panels to robust, multi-day virtual summits. He reveals how bringing together subject matter experts not only delivers value-packed content for attendees, but also allows hosts to tap into new audiences by leveraging each speaker's network. Along the way, Drew McLellan and Kevin Sanderson dig into practical event logistics, the importance of aligning with the right speakers, and strategies for ensuring that your virtual events rise above the saturated online landscape. The conversation doesn't stop at planning. Kevin Sanderson shares actionable insights about various revenue models, from free registration with VIP upgrades to boosting value through digital bonuses, and the critical role of post-event nurturing in building long-term relationships and clients. You'll also hear guidance on pricing these services for your agency or clients, plus essential lessons learned so you can sidestep the common pitfalls of virtual event planning. If you're looking for creative ways to build authority, grow a targeted list, or even add new service offerings for your agency clients, this episode is packed with real-world tactics and inspiration. By the end, you'll be ready to rethink how virtual events can become a high-impact tool in your agency's growth arsenal. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn How to structure virtual summits with 15-20 speakers for maximum impact and manageable coordination Why email promotion from speakers dramatically outperforms social media for driving event registrations The revenue model that combines free registration with strategic upsells to VIP access passes How charging even a nominal fee ($5-$10) increases attendee engagement by 2.5-3x compared to free events The follow-up system that generated $99,000 in monthly recurring revenue through strategic webinar funnels Why virtual summits open more collaboration doors than traditional networking approaches How to leverage speaker partnerships to access audiences you couldn't reach through paid advertising The key criteria for selecting speakers who will both deliver value and actively promote your event How agencies can package virtual summit services for clients in specific industries or niches
Transcribe →551 Scaling Agency Operations with Yoni Kozminski
Apr 2600:57:28Tap to summarizeWelcome to a new episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, Drew McLellan invites Yoni Kozminski, CEO and co-founder of Escala, for a candid and transparent discussion that takes you behind the scenes of agency operations, scalability, and owner independence. Drew opens up about AMI's own journey towards better systems and processes, and together, they explore what it really takes to future-proof an agency so it can thrive through to 2030 and beyond. In this episode, you'll hear Yoni Kozminski break down why most agency owners unintentionally become the biggest bottleneck in their own business. He shares his perspective as a "recovering agency guy" and reveals Escala's proven framework for assessing agency maturity and organizational health. Drew and Yoni walk listeners through the critical stages Escala uses to help agencies transform: assessment, design, and implementation, all aimed at making your agency less dependent on you—and more profitable. The pair dig deep into the practical realities of creating lasting change, from tackling tribal knowledge and heroics to putting real systems in place that reduce owner burnout. They'll discuss concrete strategies for documenting processes, measuring owner involvement, and empowering team members at every level. Plus, Drew shares firsthand what it's like to face a "ruthless assessment" of your agency's internal operations—and how that clarity is a gamechanger for growth. If you're ready to move past hustle and improvisation toward an agency that runs smoothly without you, this episode is your roadmap. Don't miss the honest conversation and actionable takeaways, along with special resources designed to help you start your own agency self-diagnosis. Dive in and start building a business that lets you make a bigger impact—without being trapped in the day-to-day. What You Will Learn How to assess your agency's true dependence on you using the 1-5 maturity scale Why the Build-Manage-Execute index reveals where owners get stuck in the wrong activities The top-down methodology for creating systems that actually scale your operations How to identify and eliminate tribal knowledge that creates operational bottlenecks Why validation sessions with cross-functional teams reveal hidden process breakdowns The framework for transitioning from heroic execution to strategic visioning How to build offshore capabilities that multiply your onshore team's effectiveness Why agencies must shift from owner-centric to metrics-driven decision making The assessment process that reveals exactly where your scaling gaps exist
Transcribe →Ep 550 Five Opportunities for Agency Evolution with Drew McLellan
Apr 1900:34:01Tap to summarizeWelcome to another energizing solo episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan draws on his 25+ years of agency experience to deliver both a rallying cry and a clear-eyed reality check for independent agency owners: the chaos swirling around AI, consolidation, and economic uncertainty isn't the threat it appears to be — it's an invitation. For owners who are willing to evolve, this may be the best decade in history to run an independent agency. Diving deep into the macro forces reshaping the industry, Drew McLellan unpacks the five trends that every agency owner needs to understand right now — from the collapse of institutional trust landing squarely in your lap, to the cracks forming inside the big holding company networks, to the seismic shift in how clients find and hire agencies. He shares data from AMI's own 2026 Agency Edge Research alongside findings from the Edelman Trust Barometer, painting a compelling picture of why independent, niche, founder-led boutiques are uniquely positioned to thrive while the giants stumble. Beyond the trends, Drew maps out five concrete opportunities your agency can pursue in the next three to ten years — from repositioning as a strategic advisor rather than a vendor, to monetizing AI the right way, to riding the in-house reversal as brands unwind internal teams they can no longer sustain. You'll hear real data on what's happening to AGI per FTE, why generalist agencies are losing ground, and what the consulting world can teach us about where agency revenue is headed next. If you're tired of feeling anxious about the future and ready to see the opportunity hiding inside the uncertainty, this episode is essential listening. Whether or not you make it to the Build a Better Agency Summit in May, Drew McLellan's guidance will challenge you to stop waiting for the dust to settle — and start building the agency you actually want to own. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why this is the best decade to own an independent agency for those willing to evolve their business model How consolidation among holding companies creates lucrative opportunities in the neglected middle market segment Five major opportunities that will define successful agencies over the next decade Why AI adoption gives small shops the sophistication level that previously required holding company resources How to transform from vendor relationships into strategic advisor partnerships that command premium pricing The specialization imperative that delivers 10-20% higher margins than generalist agencies Why your agency is positioned as the most trusted entity in the new economy How to monetize AI properly by focusing on outcomes rather than tool usage The workforce evolution requiring fewer FTEs but more strategic value creation
Transcribe →Episode 549 What the AI Impact 2026 Research Reveals with Emily Thompson
Apr 1200:49:31Tap to summarizeWelcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan sits down with Emily Thompson, marketing manager at CoSchedule, to unpack the just-released AI Impact 2026 research study. With 900 respondents spanning every industry, company size, and marketing level, this is one of the most comprehensive looks at how marketers are actually using AI today and what they plan to prioritize in the year ahead. Despite reporting declining ROI across every major channel in 2025, a striking 79% of marketers say AI positively impacted their performance, and yet only 3% consider themselves AI experts. Emily and Drew dig into what that gap means for agencies, why owned channels like organic search and email are taking the biggest hits, and why the oversaturation of AI-generated AI research content is actually one of the strongest arguments for what agencies do best. The data is full of contradictions that agencies are uniquely positioned to help clients untangle. From the surprising stat that 53% of marketers now use AI tools (not Google) as their primary source of information discovery, to the finding that AI research shows humans still own strategy, this episode is a masterclass in reading the room on behalf of your clients. If you want to know where the real agency opportunity lives in 2026, this conversation is where to start. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn Why 79% of marketers feel positively about AI even as ROI declines across every channel What the AI research data reveals about how marketers are actually using AI in 2026 vs. 2025 Why only 3% of marketers consider themselves AI experts and what that means for agency opportunity Which channels are declining most and why owned media is taking the biggest hit Why lead generation is the top 2026 priority and why marketers channel choices do not yet match that goal How 53% of marketers now rely on AI tools over Google for information discovery Why differentiation (not AI adoption alone) will determine agency success in a saturated market What it means to be your clients AI Sherpa and how to position that as a core offering
Transcribe →Episode 548 The Top Growth Drivers Agencies Need to Focus On with John Hall
Apr 500:50:13Tap to summarizeWelcome to another dynamic episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes longtime industry innovator John Hall to unpack the growth trends that will shape agencies in 2026 and beyond. Drawing from years of agency leadership, investment experience, and countless conversations with top entrepreneurs, John brings a bold perspective on where agency leaders should aim their focus if they want to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving marketplace. Together, Drew and John tackle the hot topic of generative AI, demystifying its impact on agency visibility, lead generation, and the fundamental ways agencies can leverage automation for both their own business and their clients. John shares eye-opening examples, including what agencies can do right now to secure high-converting leads and why specificity is key to standing out in tools like ChatGPT and Gemini. But the conversation doesn't stop at AI. Drew and John highlight why innovation must extend beyond technology, sharing stories of niche breakthroughs and encouraging agency leaders to look for opportunities in unexpected, even analog, places. They also explore the rising power of industry communities—how authentic relationships and collaborative networks not only drive business success, but also support your mental health in turbulent times. Rounding out the episode, John details the rising value of niche expertise, financing innovations, and first-party data, showing how these trends intersect to give agencies of all sizes a serious advantage. Whether you're chasing new revenue streams, looking to future-proof your agency, or simply seeking the inspiration needed to embrace change, you'll walk away with actionable strategies and renewed excitement for what's ahead. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn Leveraging generative AI and automation for agency visibility and high-quality lead generation The critical importance of niche specialization for sustained growth and higher conversions Balancing innovation in AI with opportunities in non-digital and analog solutions The rising value of intentional collaboration and building strong agency communities Harnessing data and new technologies to provide clients with unrivaled insights and opportunities Adapting agency structures and offerings to stay ahead of industry disruption Prioritizing proactive relationship building for business growth and mental well-being
Transcribe →Episode 547 Strategies for Winning More Business with Mercer Island Group
Mar 2900:51:09Tap to summarizeWelcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is joined by the powerhouse team of Robin Boehler and Stephen Boehler from Mercer Island Group for an eye-opening discussion about their new book, "It's Not About You: Winning New Business in a Crowded Agency World." With decades spent guiding both agencies and clients through the agency selection process, Robin and Stephen bring unique insider perspectives to today's conversation—perspectives that just might change the way you approach your next pitch. Together, they unpack the central theme of their book: if you want to win more business, you need to shift the focus away from your agency and make everything—from your website to your presentations—about your client. Robin Boehler and Stephen Boehler share actionable strategies to help agency leaders stop making unforced errors and instead become meaningfully distinctive in the eyes of prospects. You'll hear about the importance of client-centric positioning, the dangers of blending into the "sea of sameness," and the necessity of moving beyond generic self-promotion to create memorable, prospect-friendly experiences. This episode also addresses the realities of today's competitive agency landscape, including evolving pitch dynamics, trends in client searches (hint: AI is changing how clients find agencies), and why strategic selectivity matters more than ever. Drew McLellan and his guests discuss practical steps for identifying your ideal client, structuring intentional engagement models, and preparing your team to walk the talk during high-stakes presentations. You'll also get advice on sequencing improvements and leveraging the book as a hands-on field guide—whether you're tackling a website overhaul or prepping for your next big RFI. Don't miss this episode if you're an agency leader looking to stand out with purpose, win the business that's right for your team, and build lasting client relationships. By the end, you'll have a clear roadmap for transforming your agency's pitch process, internal culture, and outward brand—and a fresh sense of optimism about thriving in the years ahead. A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn Shifting from agency-centric to client-centric thinking Standing out in a crowded agency market through distinctiveness Making intentional decisions about client fit and engagement models Avoiding unforced errors in new business pursuits Preparing agency teams to authentically present and connect with clients Embracing strategy and human insight in an AI-driven landscape Building lasting client relationships through deliberate and thoughtful approaches
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