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Build a Better Agency Podcast
Hosted by Drew McLellan · EN
Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.
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Episode 514 Building AI-Enabled Agencies with Greg Shove
Aug 11, 202500:50:45Tap to summarizeWelcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is joined by serial entrepreneur and AI transformation expert Greg Shove for a timely conversation that will change the way you think about integrating artificial intelligence into your agency. If you've been wondering how to move beyond surface-level AI experiments and truly future-proof your agency, this episode is a must-listen. Greg shares his unique journey from being a non-technical founder in Silicon Valley to steering his latest venture, Section, into the heart of the AI revolution. Drawing on real-life examples and client experiences, Greg breaks down the critical stages agencies must navigate to become truly AI-enabled—from overcoming workforce anxiety to moving entire teams from novice to proficient. He and Drew discuss why deploying AI isn’t like rolling out traditional software, the pitfalls of treating it as such, and why thoughtful, transparent leadership is essential in guiding teams through change. Listeners will walk away with practical frameworks like OAT (Optimize, Accelerate, Transform) to help assess where their agency sits on its AI journey and concrete steps for encouraging adoption across their team. Greg also provides actionable advice for evaluating the sea of AI tools on the market, empowering agency leaders to strategically experiment and prioritize high-value use cases without getting overwhelmed. Plus, they dig deep into the profound business model shifts AI will bring—and how being prepared to pivot can turn disruption into your agency’s biggest opportunity. Whether you’re anxious, excited, or somewhere in between about the rapid pace of AI, this episode will inspire you to lead the change confidently. Tune in to reimagine how you—and your team—can harness AI to drive efficiency, deepen client value, and stay ahead in a fast-transforming industry. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Navigating workforce anxiety and resistance around AI adoption Moving agency teams from AI novices to confident, proficient users Why deploying AI isn’t like traditional software rollouts Building a culture of experimentation and continuous learning with AI Prioritizing high-value use cases over chasing every new tool The importance of leadership engagement and transparency around AI Preparing for future business model shifts driven by AI innovation
Transcribe →Episode 513 Lessons in Effective Agency Leadership with Karl Sakas
Aug 4, 202500:47:46Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes back agency advisor and author Karl Sakas for a candid conversation about the unique challenges that come with agency ownership—and how to move “from chaos to calm.” Drawing from his years of agency operations experience and his new book, From Chaos to Calm, Karl helps agency leaders recognize how they sometimes get in their own way and offers practical advice for fostering a calmer, more rewarding agency environment. Drew and Karl tackle some of the biggest pain points facing agency owners today, including the ongoing pressures of lead generation, sales pipelines, and the often daunting task of succession planning. Karl shares observations from his work with hundreds of agencies around the globe, highlighting patterns he sees when owners get overly involved in daily operations, struggle with delegation, or fall into the trap of the “new idea of the month club.” The discussion offers actionable frameworks—from the three A’s of agency communication to the importance of idea quarantines after conferences—all designed to help owners empower their teams and stay focused on their unique role. Listeners will hear real-world examples and solutions for stepping back from micromanaging, setting clear expectations, and building trust within the team. Drew and Karl also discuss the importance of having a well-defined owner role and the necessity of planning for the agency’s future, whether that means bringing in outside leadership or preparing the business for sale. Their conversation is peppered with relatable stories, honest admissions, and tactical recommendations on how agency owners can intentionally create a less chaotic, more profitable, and ultimately more enjoyable agency life. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to break the cycle of self-created stress, clarify your leadership responsibilities, and lay the groundwork for an agency that thrives with or without you at the helm. Tune in to learn why the key to agency success just might be granting yourself permission to step back, strategize, and let your team shine. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Empowering agency teams through effective delegation—not abdication Breaking the cycle of “idea fatigue” and the dangers of constant new initiatives Clarifying the owner’s evolving role and setting healthy boundaries Planning for succession and agency sale well in advance Building a stronger sales pipeline and lead generation strategy Fostering team trust and avoiding micromanagement Creating a roadmap for agency growth that aligns with personal fulfillment
Transcribe →Episode 512 Small Moments That Shape Leadership with Jeff Eisenberg
Jul 28, 202500:50:16Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with longtime friend and agency leader Jeff Eisenberg for a candid conversation about the art and practice of agency leadership. Whether you’re a seasoned agency owner or new to the business, this discussion is packed with real-world lessons and thoughtful perspectives that will help you elevate your leadership game and set your agency up for lasting success. Jeff shares the compelling journey that led him from sports marketing with major league teams to purchasing and running his own ad agency. Now, as he transitions into author, teacher, and mentor, Jeff unveils the leadership strategies and philosophies that have served him throughout his decades-long career. The focal point of the conversation is Jeff’s new book, Beyond the Big: The Tiny Moments of Leadership, which takes a fresh, practical look at how small, everyday actions define truly great leaders. Together, Drew and Jeff unpack the power of “tiny moments”—those micro-interactions and subtle choices that shape agency culture, empower teams, and foster real trust. They discuss actionable ways to be more present, why giving away power is essential, and how agency owners can break the habit of doing in order to focus on being and leading. Jeff also opens up about his own growth as a leader, offering relatable anecdotes, hard-won advice, and encouragement for leaders at every stage. Whether you’re planning for succession, looking to strengthen your core values, or simply hoping to increase your presence and impact, this episode is a treasure trove of actionable wisdom. Tune in for strategies you can start applying today, and get inspired to become the kind of leader your team will remember for years to come. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Embracing leadership as a series of tiny, everyday moments The power of vulnerability and humility in strong leadership Developing other leaders as a core responsibility for agency owners Transitioning from “doing” to “being” present as a leader Building and living authentic core values within your agency Creating a culture of honesty, care, and “carefrontation” The incremental, lifelong journey of improving as a leader
Transcribe →Episode 511 How AI is Transforming Brand Storytelling with Park Howell
Jul 21, 202500:55:19Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes back storytelling and branding pro Park Howell for an episode packed with practical advice, fresh perspectives, and a live demo you won’t want to miss. Park, a former agency owner turned global storytelling coach, joins Drew to discuss how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the way agencies uncover, shape, and operationalize brand stories—making the process faster, smarter, and more tangible than ever before. Park introduces listeners to his latest innovation, the Story Cycle Genie, an AI-powered tool built to transform months of intensive brand development into a streamlined, accessible process. Together, Drew and Park walk through a real-world example, using AMI’s own brand as a case study to demonstrate how the Genie analyzes existing content to reveal brand positioning, audience insights, emotional drivers, and actionable storytelling frameworks in minutes, not months. They discuss how the AI synthesizes agency websites, marketing materials, and other sources to uncover nuanced messaging and emotional resonance—while also surfacing areas for improvement that even seasoned agencies might overlook. Listeners will gain a front-row seat to the genie’s output and hear candid reactions from Drew as he reflects on the accuracy and depth of the insights. The conversation also covers the evolving agency-client relationship when AI is part of the creative toolkit, tips for leveraging AI tools to enhance rather than replace human-led strategy, and why clients are hungry for agencies that use AI to deliver better, faster results—not just cheaper ones. If you’re curious about integrating AI into your branding processes, want to get a sense of how your agency shows up to the world, or simply want to understand the practical benefits AI can bring to storytelling and positioning, this episode is for you. By the end, you’ll walk away with a new understanding of how technology can amplify your agency’s value and effectiveness—without sacrificing the human touch that sets your work apart. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Harnessing AI to streamline and enhance brand storytelling for agencies Verifying, revealing gaps, and inspiring new ways to position your agency brand Using the story cycle framework to create actionable, measurable brand narratives How AI tools can accelerate strategic branding work from months to minutes Blending human insight and AI for more nuanced, emotionally resonant messaging Leveraging brand clarity and emotional promise to drive agency growth and client trust Exploring new business models and client services enabled by AI-powered brand strategy
Transcribe →Episode 510 Key Strategies for Employee Retention with Drew McLellan
Jul 14, 202500:48:38Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful solo cast of the Build a Better Agency podcast! This week, host Drew McLellan takes you deep into a cornerstone topic for agency owners: building, retaining, and growing an exceptional team. Drawing on real-world conversations with agency leaders and years of industry experience, Drew breaks down the full lifecycle of stellar employee management that every agency needs to thrive. Drew starts by revealing why agencies often miss the mark with generic job descriptions and lays out a compelling case for comprehensive, forward-thinking job documentation. He shares tips for crafting descriptions that not only clarify day-to-day expectations but also highlight growth opportunities, career paths, and clear metrics for success. You’ll discover why this clarity is key to motivating employees—and how it can help you retain top talent for the long haul. The episode then explores the critical steps beyond hiring: thoughtful onboarding, regular one-on-one meetings, and a robust review process that supports ongoing professional growth. Drew demystifies quarterly mini-reviews and annual evaluations, emphasizing the power of frequent feedback and targeted growth goals. He also shares actionable ideas for establishing genuine personal connections, such as his “Dinner with Drew” tradition, fostering a culture where employees feel truly seen and valued. If you’re looking for practical, actionable strategies to level up your agency’s employee experience and unlock deeper value from your team, this episode is a must-listen. Drew’s step-by-step ecosystem will not only help you develop happier and more loyal employees but will also empower you to drive agency growth from within. Don’t miss the downloadable resources mentioned in the show notes—your roadmap to a more engaged, high-performing agency starts here! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Crafting detailed, future-focused job descriptions to attract and retain top talent Driving employee engagement and growth through thoughtful career pathing Redefining onboarding with a deliberate, month-long approach Empowering employees and supervisors via structured biweekly one-on-one meetings Shifting from annual to quarterly reviews for real-time feedback and development Fostering deeper connections through intentional, informal social interactions Sharing professional development as a mutual responsibility between agency and employee
Transcribe →Episode 509 Unlock the Power of Networking with Melissa Snow
Jul 7, 202500:57:05Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan explores an essential yet often misunderstood business growth strategy: networking. Joined by networking expert Melissa Snow, Drew unpacks what truly effective networking looks like in today’s world and why building authentic connections can be the most powerful driver for agency success. Melissa, founder of Powerful Women Rising, shares her journey from accidentally becoming an entrepreneur to discovering that genuine relationships—not flashy sales tactics—were the secret to her business growth. She breaks down outdated views of networking as stiff, transactional events and reveals how meaningful conversations and a spirit of helping others can transform your network into a vibrant support system. The duo discuss the difference between "making friends" and intentional networking, how to avoid being that "salesy weirdo," and why referrals rooted in real trust always carry more weight. Listeners will walk away with practical strategies for approaching networking in a way that aligns with their personality, whether they're extroverts energized by a crowd or introverts who prefer small group conversations or virtual events. Melissa offers actionable ideas for nurturing connections, keeping track of valuable contacts, and balancing authenticity with intentionality. Plus, hear her tips on following up meaningfully—without overwhelming your busy schedule or feeling disingenuous. Don’t miss this empowering conversation if you’re ready to rethink networking as a sustainable, enjoyable, and business-boosting tool. You'll feel inspired to step out of your comfort zone, forge new relationships that really matter, and start building the kind of agency—and professional life—where genuine connection leads the way. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Redefining networking as genuine relationship-building, not transactional selling The power of connections and referrals in growing your agency Balancing authenticity with intentionality in professional networking How to network effectively as an introvert or with limited time Leveraging both in-person and virtual networking opportunities Practical tips for meaningful follow-up and staying memorable Making networking work for you, regardless of your personality or preferences
Transcribe →Episode 508 Project Management That Drives Profit with Rachel Gertz
Jun 30, 202500:47:18Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan tackles a topic that agency owners and leaders wrestle with time and again: the true role of project management within an agency, and how getting it right can transform both your workflow and your bottom line. Drew is joined by expert consultant Rachel Gertz, who has spent over 15 years helping agencies demystify project management, build stronger systems, and create operational success. In this episode, Drew and Rachel dig deep into what project management really means in a modern agency setting, beyond just moving tasks from A to B or managing a checklist. Rachel shares her journey from educator to operations consultant, revealing why constraints and structure, when thoughtfully implemented, actually unleash greater creative freedom for agency teams. Together, they explore why so many agencies struggle with the sales-to-delivery handoff, how process breakdowns lead to burnout and missed profits, and what a healthy, efficient system should feel like for everyone involved. Listeners will walk away with actionable advice on rethinking their approach to project scoping, discovering the hidden pitfalls of underestimating the “soft” operational work, and why tools alone can’t fix a broken process. Rachel offers practical steps for evaluating where the real chaos lives in your agency, how to break the cycle of “garbage in, garbage out,” and the importance of prioritizing client relationship dynamics alongside deliverable deadlines. If you’re ready to move past reactionary chaos and toward calm, confidence, and profitability in your agency’s operations, this episode delivers both hope and a roadmap. Don’t miss these expert insights on the power of process, the value of discovery, and the freedom that comes from building a sustainable project management approach. By the end, you’ll see project management as the backbone of agency success—and have new ideas for turning your systems into a competitive advantage. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Clarifying the true role and value of project management in agencies The critical impact of effective sales-to-project handoffs Why project management systems unlock both creative freedom and operational efficiency Moving beyond relying solely on tools to fixing underlying processes The importance of scoping both the project and its environment Building agency profitability by baking in realistic time and resource allocations Cultivating calm, predictability, and stronger client relationships through better operational systems
Transcribe →Episode 507 Transformative Agency Strategies with Marcus Sheridan
Jun 23, 202500:50:25Tap to summarizeWelcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes renowned marketing thought leader Marcus Sheridan to tackle some of the most pressing challenges—and exciting opportunities—facing agency owners today. Known for his influential book They Ask, You Answer, Marcus brings a fresh perspective to the table with the launch of his new book Endless Customers, focusing on how agencies can thrive in a rapidly evolving, technology-driven landscape. In this engaging conversation, Drew and Marcus dive deep into the shifting dynamics of content marketing and client engagement, especially in the age of AI and digital transformation. Marcus shares lessons from his own entrepreneurial journey—from saving his pool company during the recession by embracing innovative marketing tactics, to helping other organizations transition into strategic, indispensable partners for their clients. The discussion highlights the importance of moving beyond deliverables and embracing a coaching, strategy-first mindset to remain relevant and valuable. Listeners will walk away with actionable strategies, including the critical role of self-service tools like pricing estimators and self-scheduling platforms, which empower clients and drive measurable results. Marcus and Drew also underscore the increasing necessity for agencies to become trusted AI guides, equipping clients with the skills and confidence to harness new technologies across all facets of their business. Practical tips on fostering a culture of strategic thinking, ongoing communication training, and prioritizing trust-building with clients make this episode a must-listen. Whether you’re looking to future-proof your agency, deepen client relationships, or implement innovative self-service solutions, this episode is packed with both inspiration and step-by-step advice. Tune in to discover how you and your team can shift from order-takers to indispensable strategic partners—and build a foundation for stronger, more profitable client engagements in 2025 and beyond. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The shift from deliverables to strategic coaching as a core agency value Embracing AI as both a tool and a key area of expertise for clients Prioritizing self-service tools and experiences to align with modern buyer behaviors Developing agency teams to think and act like coaches, not just order takers The critical role of ongoing communication training to reduce client churn Using pricing transparency and estimators to drive qualified leads and fast wins Building trust and indispensability to secure long-term client relationships
Transcribe →Episode 506 How Prioritizing Fun Inspires Success with Mike Rucker
Jun 16, 202500:47:05Tap to summarizeWelcome to another engaging episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan shines a spotlight on a topic that’s both enjoyable and essential to agency life—fun. Drew is joined by Dr. Mike Rucker, a behavioral psychologist and author of The Fun Habit, for a lively exploration into how prioritizing fun and joy can make you a better leader, a more creative thinker, and ultimately, help you build a stronger agency. Mike delves into the science behind why Western culture tends to villainize fun in favor of productivity—and why that mindset is doing more harm than good. He unpacks concepts from positive psychology and reveals that constantly chasing happiness, or waiting for “someday” to enjoy yourself, can actually hinder well-being and lead to burnout. Instead, Mike explains the hedonic flexibility principle, which demonstrates that regularly scheduling small moments of joy leads to greater productivity, resilience, and creativity in both personal and professional realms. Drew and Mike discuss practical ways to infuse everyday life with meaningful fun, rather than relying on the occasional big vacation or forced office events. They address the challenges agency owners face, from time poverty and remote work’s blurred boundaries to generational differences in attitudes toward work and leisure. Listeners will find actionable strategies for designing transition rituals, claiming genuine downtime, and fostering a culture where fun isn’t just tolerated—it’s championed. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to break free from the grind and discover how making room for fun can transform your leadership, elevate your agency’s performance, and improve your own well-being. By the end, you’ll have practical tools to create more moments of joy for yourself and your team, and a whole new perspective on why fun is far from frivolous—it’s fundamental! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The critical link between fun, productivity, and agency creativity Why scheduling small, consistent moments of joy matters more than big events Tips for reclaiming time autonomy as an agency leader Understanding and applying the hedonic flexibility principle Strategies for breaking the workaholic mindset and preventing burnout The right—and wrong—ways to foster fun within agency teams Rethinking work rituals for healthier boundaries in hybrid and remote environments
Transcribe →Episode 505 Navigating 2025 Agency Trends with Drew and Danyel Newcom McLellan
Jun 9, 202501:03:43Tap to summarizeWelcome to a special solocast episode of Build a Better Agency! In this midyear trend report, hosts Drew McLellan and Danyel Newcom McLellan dig deep into the evolving landscape facing agency owners in 2025. Leveraging data, global industry perspectives, and hands-on agency experience, Drew and Danyel break down what’s really impacting agencies right now and what to keep your eye on as the year unfolds. This episode covers the biggest drivers reshaping the agency world—from economic and political disruptions to shifting client and employee expectations. Drew and Danyel explore findings from the 2025 Edelman Trust Barometer, including the global “crisis of grievance,” and detail the unique opportunities and obligations business leaders face as the most trusted type of institution. They reveal how financial trends, M&A activity, and even compensation expectations are shifting, providing a realistic look at growth, profitability, and future planning. You’ll also hear a candid analysis of client dynamics and new business trends: increased buyer skepticism and demand for transparency, shorter contract terms, and the rising importance of social proof and niche expertise in attracting and retaining accounts. Internally, the episode explores changing workforce norms, a renewed focus on employee development and mental health, and innovative staffing strategies to increase agility and resilience. Rounding out the conversation, Drew and Danyel highlight where agencies are finding success—including the explosive impact of AI, new roles like creative technologists, the resurgence of retro campaigns, and the growing power of influencer and creator marketing. Whether you’re preparing your agency for exit, acquisition, or simply striving to thrive during uncertain times, this action-packed episode provides practical, actionable insights to help you build a stronger, more sustainable business. Don’t miss the chance to regroup, refocus, and get energized for what’s ahead! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Navigating economic and political uncertainty in agency operations Building and maintaining trust with clients and employees Shifting trends in agency growth, profitability, and M&A activity The rising importance of transparency and authenticity with clients Harnessing outside validation and social proof for new business Leveraging innovation, partnerships, and flexible team structures Embracing AI and data-driven insights as core agency strengths
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