Trump's New Guy Asked for a Private Jet and Classified Files (w/ Sen. Mark Warner)

Summary

Bulwark Takes — Episode Summary

Title: Trump’s New Guy Asked for a Private Jet and Classified Files (w/ Sen. Mark Warner)
Date: June 24, 2026
Host: Sam Sty (Managing Editor, The Bulwark)
Guest: Senator Mark Warner (Vice Chairman, Senate Intelligence Committee)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bulwark Takes is a rapid-fire, in-depth conversation between host Sam Sty and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, focusing on the upheaval inside the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) under the new acting appointee Bill Pulte, the fallout from Tulsi Gabbard’s scandalous tenure, and the escalating U.S.-Iran conflict. The discussion features frank behind-the-scenes insight into the state of U.S. national security leadership, Congressional dysfunction, and the dangers of politicizing intelligence and foreign policy.

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Key Topics & Insights

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1. The State of Director of National Intelligence (DNI)

[01:12 – 02:52]

• Pulte's Disruptive Appointment & Behavior

  • Bill Pulte has assumed the DNI role (though the law provides no true "acting DNI" status).
  • Senator Warner: “Trump skipped the rules… Sure as hell didn’t take long for him to start to go in and screw things up.” (01:35)
  • Reports of a staff purge remain unconfirmed, but are alarming.
  • Two troubling moves attributed to Pulte:
    • Asked to take the President’s Daily Brief (PDB) — top classified material — home overnight, which is illegal.
    • Inquired about obtaining a private, taxpayer-funded aircraft to shuttle between Washington, Chicago, and Florida.

• Warner’s View on Pulte:

  • “This guy I think is a national security threat.” (02:36)

• Congressional Response:

  • Bipartisan anxiety over Pulte’s inexperience; “All of the reasonable Senate Republicans were equally afraid of Pulte going into this job.” (02:57)
  • Questions about when/if Jay Clayton, Trump’s earlier pick, will be formally nominated remain unanswered.

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2. Confusion Over DNI Nominations

[03:19 – 04:53]

• Jay Clayton’s Status

  • Senator Warner confirms as of yesterday even Clayton himself does not know if his nomination is still pending:
    • “It is beyond wacky.” (04:53)
  • Trump’s shifting positions and apparent whims have left the Intelligence Committee and potential nominees in the dark, underscoring lack of process and stability.

• Congressional Oversight Frustration

  • Warner and Rep. Jim Himes sent a letter to Pulte warning him not to take unauthorized actions as “acting” DNI; “We have not received a response.” (05:05)

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3. The Tulsi Gabbard Scandal: Cult Influence at the Heart of Intelligence

[06:49 – 09:59]

• Allegations & Congressional Awareness

  • Gabbard’s recent resignation exposed direct influence from a known Hare Krishna cult leader.
  • Warner: “She was part of this cult… But this goes so far beyond her personal faith.” (07:49)
  • Warner queries why major media reportedly held the story; raises concern about the Washington Post’s timing and editorial independence.

• Implications for Security

  • Cult leader’s agents maintained regular contact with the DNI office.
  • Warner: “This is why you’re supposed to put into these positions people—you do a security check.” (09:41)

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4. Iran War: Congress in the Dark on Strategy and Dollars

[11:41 – 16:24]

• Lack of Transparency to Congress

  • No briefings received by senior Congressional figures on the Iran Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) or negotiation goals.
  • “To my knowledge… I don’t think any of the Republicans have been briefed either.” (12:31)

• Pentagon Seeks $80 Billion

  • Request surpasses prior public estimates.
  • Warner’s skepticism: “You’d have a hell of a hard time convincing me that this President Trump’s war of choice…” (12:53)

• The Cost of War — Material and Political

  • U.S. and allies’ missile defenses depleted; Iran maintains core missile capability.
  • Domestic costs include $60 billion in increased fuel prices and knock-on effects in other commodities.

• Congressional Will and Treaty Votes

  • Warner commits to pushing for a Congressional vote on any new Iran deal: “It has to come before Congress.” (14:13)
  • Raises urgent questions about potential $300B in war reparations and the fate of sanctioned Iranian funds.
  • Concern that U.S. sanction relief is already allowing Iran to refill its treasury during a supposed “cooling off” period.

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5. Philosophical End Note: No Good Options, No Victories

[16:24 – 18:23]

• Democratic Consensus & Warner’s Perspective

  • “Is this just a pill we have to swallow at this juncture?”
  • Warner: “That argument didn’t convince me… There is no way you can argue that America is better off today… than we were before this war of choice was started in late February. And that's a pretty pathetic statement.” (17:01–18:23)

• Critique of Administration’s National Security Priorities

  • Repeatedly accuses Trump and his team of mishandling sensitive posts to sow chaos and neglect American interests: “The president really cares that much about American national security by putting somebody so incompetent.” (05:05)

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Notable Quotes

• On Pulte’s Qualifications:
  “Third generation rich kid… This guy I think is a national security threat.” – Mark Warner (02:57)

• On Illegal Requests:
  “He wanted to take [the President’s Daily Brief]… home at night, which is against the law.” – Mark Warner (01:58)

• On Lack of Order:
  “As of yesterday, Jay Clayton didn’t know. Is his nomination still pending? When’s he going to get approval to come up and have the hearing? It is beyond wacky.” – Mark Warner (04:53)

• On Cult Influence in DNI:
  “Part of your job description is to get our country's most sensitive secrets.” – Mark Warner (11:13)

• On Iran War Costs:
  “Even as good a salesman as Donald Trump is, there's no way he's going to be able to convince the American people… that region is better off after this war of choice.” – Mark Warner (12:53)

• On Sanctions Relief:
  “This administration took the sanction off Iranian oil that was already at sea… that put about $14 billion directly into the Iranian regime’s… pocket.” – Mark Warner (15:15)

• On the Consequences of the War:
  “There is no way you can argue that America is better off today… than we were before this war of choice was started in late February. And that’s a pretty pathetic statement.” – Mark Warner (18:11)

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Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Event | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:12 | Introduction: Focus on Bill Pulte’s chaotic start as DNI | | 01:35 | Warner details illegal brief request, jet demand | | 02:57 | Warner’s critique of Pulte’s qualifications, bipartisan alarm | | 03:56 | Discussion on Jay Clayton’s unconfirmed nomination | | 05:05 | Congressional attempts at oversight, warning to Pulte | | 06:49 | Tulsi Gabbard cult influence exposé | | 09:41 | Warner: why security checks matter | | 11:41 | Transition to Iran; lack of Congressional briefings | | 12:53 | Warner’s skepticism on $80 billion request and Trump war case | | 14:13 | Will Iran deal come to Congress for a vote? | | 15:15 | Oil sanctions relief and further fiscal implications | | 17:01 | Democratic perspective: “best of bad options” or worse? | | 18:11 | “No way we are better off” post-war conclusion |

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Memorable Moments

• Warner’s exasperated honesty about not knowing who’s actually in charge of American intelligence.
• Candid commentary on the absurdity of having to check for cult compromise in a U.S. intelligence chief (“I can’t believe I have to ask that…” - Sam Sty, 06:49).
• Warner’s open critiques of his own party’s skittishness toward confronting issues out of deference to “not attack someone’s faith.”
• The image of Pulte allegedly moonlighting, keeping his old real estate job while serving as acting DNI (11:26).

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Final Thoughts & Tone

The conversation is urgent, exasperated, and laced with dark humor—reflecting both the gravity and absurdity of the current U.S. national security climate. Senator Warner’s tone is frank and somewhat incredulous, voicing bipartisan concern about the undermining of national security and the gross politicization of intelligence positions. Host Sam Sty keeps the discussion accessible, occasionally injecting levity, especially in the closing exchange about Warner’s infamous “tuna melt.”

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This conversation is a quick but consequential whirlwind through the latest high-stakes chaos atop the American security apparatus and the costs of executive dysfunction—both moral and material. It offers a view from inside the halls of oversight, combining news-breaking gossip, careful critique, and civic frustration.

Transcript

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[Sam Sty]

Hey, everyone, it's me, Sam Sty, managing editor of the Bulwark, and I'm joined by Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, who is here to talk about, among other things, Bill Pulte and the Iran War. Senator, thanks for doing this, really appreciate it. I know your time is tight.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Thank you.

[Sam Sty]

Let's start with Bill Pulte, who is now dni. We have some reports that he has begun what is being described essentially as a purge of staffers there. But I'm not sure how reliable to take those reports. And you are high up in the intel oversight. What do you know about where things stand at dni?

[Senator Mark Warner]

Well, Sam, first of all, thank goodness he's only acting dni, which by the way, there is no such thing as an acting dni. The DNI leaves, the number two is supposed to go up, but again, Trump skipped the rules. And your basic question. We don't have an answer. I've been, I've been trying to get. I don't think they're my Republican friends. There was a rumor that he was going to start a bunch of firings, then he supposedly changed his mind, but we don't know. And it sure as hell didn't take long for him to start to go in and screw things up if he's already started firings. And the two things that have been reported, that makes me very nervous and again confirms all of my worst instincts about this guy is number one, he didn't even know and he wanted to take The Presidential Daily Brief, which has got our most classified information home at night, which is against the law. And you know, anybody in the intel world knows you can't take a classified document about that out. And secondly, in a classic Trumpian fashion, one of his first question he asked is, does he get a private plane? Because he needs a private government paid for taxpayer plane to fly between D.C. chicago and Florida where he can be close to President Trump. So this guy I think is a national security threat and, but we don't know about the firing shed.

[Sam Sty]

Does he get the plane? Do we know that?

[Senator Mark Warner]

I, I imagine he'll get the plane.

[Sam Sty]

Okay.

[Senator Mark Warner]

You know, the Director of National Intelligence, usually the Senate confirmed ones get him. But this guy who, by the way, you know, third generation rich kid. It is, it is one of the reasons why, you know, this was not a classic Democrats versus Republicans. All of the reasonable Senate Republicans were equally afraid of Pulte going into this job.

[Sam Sty]

Yeah, I want to talk about that because your colleague on the Intel Committee, Tom Cotton, basically said, let's forge ahead with Jay Clayton. I should just stress for the viewers Jay Clayton is the actual, we think, nominee. We don't know, actually. I'm curious where you believe things stand. He was, for a brief period of time at least, Trump's pick to take over at dni. Tom Cotton said, let's go ahead with the nomination, let's have the hearing. Even though Trump had threatened to pull back Clinton's nomination, Clayton did not show up for those hearings at Trump's direction, it seems. So what is the latest on where Jay Clayton's nomination stands?

[Senator Mark Warner]

Sam, I'm going to look pretty, a little wacky to your audience. That's a great question.

[Sam Sty]

You're the Vice chairman of the committee.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Hey, I'm vice chairman. I hope to be chairman. But here's again to first of all, stress your point because people were concerned about Pulte Jay Clayton, who many Democrats would probably voted against. I might have voted against depending on his answers, but at least he had qualifications. I've known the guy, I think he would respect the Constitution. And Trump polled him even though he was a nominee because we were gonna prove him really quickly because responsible people in both parties didn't want Pulte to go in to this job. So we don't know. And I, I can say with 100% assurance that as of yesterday, Jay Clayton didn't know. Is his nomination still pending? When's he going to get approval to come up and have the hearing? It is beyond wacky.

[Sam Sty]

Have you heard from the administration of an administration official or even Bill Pulte in the past couple days about where what he's doing there and what the process is going to be to replace him.

[Senator Mark Warner]

SAM that's again, a very valid question. And Jim Himes, my counterpart in the House, we wrote Pulte yesterday and said, you know, remember the law don't go in there. You're, you've not been congressionally approved. You know, you're only acting. And that even is not a legal status. So you you can't go out and start firing people or changing policy. We have not received a response to that. We've not heard from Polti director directly. I don't believe any of the Republicans have either. This is a Trump selection to, I think again, cause chaos. And in my mind, it also just reflects the fact that at the end of the day, I don't think the president really cares that much about American national security by putting somebody so incompetent. And then, for example, part of this was all tied up in a renewal of a controversial program anyway called section 702 of the FISA bill, which is always controversial. And Trump Suddenly at the 11th hour also said, well, he's not even going to renew 702 unless the SAVE act, which is that voter disenfranchisement law that all the Democrats and even some Republicans are categorically against. So the idea that he's going to play, you know, as a political playing card, national security is pretty outrageous. The only caveat on that I put is that thank goodness the communication providers are still working with the government. So the Even though the 702 had a tail on it and we were just uncertain we're 12 days in, I think, where it's not been renewed, but nothing has happened yet. We have not, thank goodness, gone dark on collecting information about bad guys, particularly with again, the World cup going on in the July 4th coming one question

[Sam Sty]

on DNI and then I want to switch to Iran. But the predecessor in this post, Tulsi Gabbard, who resigned fairly recently, you're smiling, but I assume you saw the Washington Post article. And just for people who didn't, it was a fairly gripping and also pretty comprehensive treatment of the possibility that she was under some sort of directive or influenced by a cult. I mean, that's just what it is, a Hare Krishna cult in Hawaii. They detailed with incredible specificity how she would take positions at the behest of what appeared to be a cult leader. Obviously, no one was quite fully aware of the extent to this, but I. I need to ask, did you have. Had you heard rumblings about this and now that it's happened, to what degree are you going to look into whether or not a cult leader may have influenced our chief intelligence officer? I can't believe I have to ask that, but I do.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Well, the unfortunate thing is, Sam, you know, not at the level of detail of the story because it had literally receipts. But we were aware that she was part of this cult. And, you know, my friend Senator Schatz from Hawaii, you know, was very familiar with this. It was part of her, but she never denied it was part of her public record, the level. So we went at that. Again, people are understandably reluctant to appear to be attacking someone's faith, but this goes so far beyond her personal faith. And particularly since the leader of this cult was still communicating or having his agents communicate with the Director of National Intelligence on a regular, almost daily basis, it's, again, pretty chilling. I've got so many questions. It appeared the Washington Post had that story for some time. One of the reporters had literally left a couple months ago. Why they didn't publish it beforehand. Is this again the new ownership in Bezos kowtowing to the administration? Was this the reason she left? We've got a lot of questions. I've talked to a couple of my colleagues about how we can pursue this. Again, this was a case where there was a lot of trepidation on the Republican side about her in the first place. We got very close to not having her confirmed, but a lot of Republicans held their nose and voted for her. But we warned ahead of time that this kind of stuff could happen. And I think it's one of the reasons why we've had more reaction against Pulte, because I think many of the Republicans knew that they'd made a mistake with Gabbard. But what we can do with this information, I'm going to try to get some additional answers. And again, this is why you're supposed to put into these positions, people. You do a security check, you do a bonafide, you check out their national security background. And these are kind of things that happen if you don't do those things.

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I mean, yes, these are the kinds of things that happens. I have to imagine this is the first time you've had to check whether someone was the directive of a cult leader. But maybe not. Maybe that's happened before in our nation's history. I'm just not familiar with it.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Yeah, not like, you know, well, at least not in. In a position where you're. Part of your job description is to get our country's most sensitive secrets.

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Yes, it's very surreal.

[Senator Mark Warner]

That is a little bit of a different job than if you're being, you know, the head of the real estate mortgages like Fannie and Freddie, which was Bill Pulte's job before he. And by the way, he's keeping that job still his job, just moonlighting as the Director of National Intelligence.

[Sam Sty]

Yeah, there is something. Something crazy about moonlighting while also running the housing authority. Since our time is brief, just a couple quick questions on. On Iran, because look, this is another case where we're trying to sort of decipher what information is real and what's not. We have this memorandum of understanding, but it's vague. Honestly, it's 14 points. You can interpret the wording differently. And apparently the Iranians and the United States are interpreting the Lang bit differently. I ask again what I asked about Pulte. Has anyone from the administration come and briefed people in senior positions in Congress who deal with intel, armed services, foreign policy, whatever, about what the MOU really means and also about what they're hoping to accomplish with these negotiations between the Iranians and the United States?

[Senator Mark Warner]

No.

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Okay.

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And it just, again, it's.

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Yeah.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Beyond belief, to my knowledge at least. I don't think any of the Republicans have been briefed either.

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The Pentagon has requested $80 billion for the war In Iran, which is a number that I think was exceeding what they were saying publicly up until this point. $80 billion is a fair bit of change. Is it your belief that that number could get through this Congress?

[Senator Mark Warner]

I'm not sure it will. And you'd have a hell of a hard time convincing me that this President Trump's war of choice, we may have expended close to that in munitions. And you know, one of the things that is ironic is that Iran still has its missile capability, but we are so down on our interceptors, we and our allies in the region don't have all the tools we had before this war. And even as good a salesman as Donald Trump is, there's no way he's going to be able to convince the American people, or for that matter the world that America or that region is better off after this war of choice. And that's a real, you know, that's going to make it really uphill to get either money or for him to frankly sell it. Even some of my more conservative Republican friends, like Lindsey Graham has finally kind of saw the light on this one and said this a bad deal.

[Sam Sty]

Well, give Lindsey a day. Another question about what role Congress will play is voting on if, if they get the opportunity to potentially vote on whatever treaty is struck between in the United States. Obviously there were votes on the jcpoa. It was a big deal. I was there at the time, I covered it. I don't get the sense that this administration would put anything up for a vote before Congress. But will you push for it?

[Senator Mark Warner]

Yes, of course it will. And I actually think there is no way and we've got enough Republicans, at least at this point, who have said before we enter into any kind of nuclear agreement with Iran. And I think it'll take much longer than this 60 day window they've talked about. It has to come before Congress. So I think that one will get a bite at the apple. Whether we're going to get a bite at the apple of whether Iran through this deal is going to get $300 billion.

[Sam Sty]

Yeah.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Almost as war reparations. And where that money goes, could it actually go to the Houthis in Lebanon or to the. Not, I'm sorry, Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen or Iranian backed groups in Iraq, those are questions that Americans and frankly the world deserves to know.

[Sam Sty]

Well, that involves sanctions relief too. And there is a role for the here in providing sanctions. If we're applying new sanctions, obviously the President would potentially veto whatever you pushed. But that is another play that Congress has here. And I don't know what the future holds in store for the sanctions regime, but maybe you can speak to that.

[Senator Mark Warner]

Yeah, well remember the president during the war because gas prices were going up so much and by the way, we talk about $80 billion in cost for the defense, 60 billion American paid in higher gas prices and that doesn't factor in higher fertilizer prices, alumin prices. The other disruptions the war caused that came out of Americans pocketbooks during the war itself. This administration took the sanction off Iranian oil that was already at sea. That put about $14 billion directly into the Iranian regime, who's more extreme than the previous regime pocket and now additional sanction relief even during this 60 day period. So you know, my understanding is as of yesterday, suddenly the Iranians can actually trade their oil in US Dollars, which has not been the case literally for many, many years. So you could see this is a 60 day period where Iran kind of refills its treasury, doesn't really have to do anything and then the strait closes and they are again better prepared for what comes next.

[Sam Sty]

This is my last question because I know you got to get out of here, but I'm going to end on sort of a larger philosophical one which is it's very evident to me that Democrats are more or less supportive of ending the war. And the continuous refrain that I hear from Democrats I talk to is it's the best of all the bad possible paths that could have happened. At this point, they don't want to see the war continue. Obviously gas prices are going up. They don't think the war should have happened in the first place. But now that we're here, it is what it is. And I'm wondering if that's how you feel about it. Is this just a pill we have to swallow at this juncture?

[Senator Mark Warner]

Well, Sam, that's a really fair question. And there were arguments. I mean, I didn't think this war should have started in its first place, but there was in Iran has been a bad actor for the last 47 years, disruptive to the region and not just against us in Israel, but against other states in the region. There was an argument, it didn't convince me that once we started this, no matter how we got in, you can't leave them in this state of ability. We have not gotten rid of all of their missiles, not gotten rid of their drones. They still have ability to close down the strait. That argument didn't convince me and the point that you've just made that the alternative was just a continued bombing them into submission campaign, which has never historically worked. Anybody who was a student of history would know that. And, you know, we were so extraordinarily fortunate that we only lost 13 service members, but if we continued this, that was a worse option than stopping it. But the basic premise that we shouldn't have started this, and there is no way you can argue that America is better off today and in terms of worldview vis a vis Iran or just worldview generally than we were before this war of choice was started in late February. And that's a pretty pathetic statement.

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[Sam Sty]

All right. Senator Mark Warner, thank you so much for checking in with us. We really appreciate it. Always love having you on. I keep saying we got to get you back to make your tuna melt. You never come on to make the tuna melt. But we'll do that one of these days.

[Senator Mark Warner]

I will do it, definitely, because just usually I'm bringing fairly grim news if we can do something a little fun. And for all of your viewers who's wondering about tune belts, if you got two and a half minutes of your life to waste, don't do it. Please Google Warner. Tuna melt.

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No, don't do it.

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Viewers, look at it and make your decision. Eat before.

[Sam Sty]

Eat before. All right, Senator Mark Warner, thank you so much. For those who watch, thank you so much. Subscribe to the feed and we'll talk to you soon.

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