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Sam Stein
All right. Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bulwark, and I'm. I'm joined by the Potato Boys. Is that what we're calling ourselves now? Potato Boys?
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Tim Miller
Working through the names as we start. I just want to apologize for frame mugging you guys so brutally. I know you guys are doing the best you could, but with this wallpaper and with my P. Watts shirt and kind of my cheekbones, I just feel like I'm really.
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Will Sommer
You've been bone smashing.
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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Sam Stein
Have you bone smashed? People are gonna not know what we're talking about. Okay, we're back. We have a new piece to discuss. Another Will masterpiece. This one's on Clavicular. If you had an Internet connection this weekend or on Twitter for about two seconds, you probably read some nonsense about this man. He's 20 years old. Is that right, Will?
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Will Sommer
Yes, he's 20.
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Sam Stein
20 and a half, I think, to be precise. And he does things to his body that no human being should do. All in the. All in the name of trying to perfect his look. His chiseled. Okay, well, why don't you go through what clavicular has done to his body and why he's doing it?
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Tim Miller
I should. Why should we care about clavicular? First, is that.
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Sam Stein
Well, we're going to get to that.
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Tim Miller
Okay. All right, all right, we'll get to that.
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Sam Stein
Second.
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Tim Miller
Okay.
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Sam Stein
This is a man. He's Internet famous, and he does fucking weird shit to look good and get girls. But, Will, you Know this stuff. What, what is going on here?
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Will Sommer
Sure. So Clavicular is a guy who's maybe the most prominent face of what's called the looks maxing community, which is in some ways sort of like a division of incels. These are guys who have decided, you know, that women, you know, everything's against them. They kind of hate women. And the only answer to get women and to sort of get ahead in society is to turn themselves into sort of like, like sexy Squidward types with just these kind of handsome, kind of very somewhat bizarre faces. So he has done all kinds of things.
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Tim Miller
I love a sexy Squidward type. Like people ask me what my type is and I've never been able to really put a finger on it, but sexy Squidward is pretty close.
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Sam Stein
Sorry, what is Squidward? I'm maybe from, from SpongeBob.
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Will Sommer
There's a point where he kind of like has like a really bulky face. I don't know, I mean it's maybe it's somewhat obscure reference but, but basically like he, he will go to any length to get hot and, and kind of in a very specific way that he sees hot to exist. So he started on anabolic steroids when he was 14 and doing by the way, like enormous amounts even by the standards of like a 40 year old on steroids. Like there are steroid influencers on YouTube who are like, this kid is doing too many steroids. We love steroids, but this is too much there. He does a thing called bone smashing, which I mentioned where. And this by the way is quite scientifically dubious. Is he to. The idea is you kind of like hit your cheekbones and this creates micro fractures that will make them reform in like a more handsome way. It's not clear to me why it wouldn't be like, oh, now I look like I broke my cheekbone. But he, he has like a little like hammer or he'll do like a theragun or he'll. Sometimes he'll just punch himself in the face. And so, so I guess the other big thing he does is he smokes meth. Or at least had, you know, recently he would smoke meth. He would go on. There's, there's one.
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Sam Stein
The fact that, that'.
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Will Sommer
There'S a video where he's like, he's like really ranting. And by the way, like he gets angry. Like he'll get really angry or sometimes he'll just like throw someone's drink on the ground or he'll put out an angry video and it's like, is that.
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Sam Stein
The meth or is that the steroids?
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Will Sommer
Well, it's. Is it a toxic cocktail of the two? And he'll say, like, this is what women make me do. Their standards are so high, I have to go on a three day meth binge, you know, to lose weight. So. So he's not the most stable guy, I guess.
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Sam Stein
And Tim, you. You would do that for, for the game?
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Tim Miller
I mean, I. I don't. I'm not sure if I'd have to get a birth certificate on age appropriateness for sure. But just like, as an objective matter, I think whatever he's doing is working and I can understand why he's built a big following in the looksmaxing community.
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Sam Stein
All right, fair enough. So you asked the question, why do we care about this human being? And.
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Tim Miller
And honestly, is it because he's been munting and mogging or.
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Sam Stein
Yeah, well, should we talk about the terminology and the here because they're so weird. But I want to get to why we care about this. This man. Because this was like the main issue with the. My edit when I was editing was piece like, why are we reading about this human being? Like, what point does he serve? And I guess we stumbled upon this idea that this is where the discourse is going. Like right wing culture venerates, or at least a portion of it venerates this guy. He's got huge followings, he's weighing in on politics. He's got this take on Gavin Newsom vs. J.D. vance that's pretty spot on. And it's. There is like a cultural relevance to it that I think we can't just ignore. It is weird and uncomfortable, obviously, but, like, I think he matters.
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Tim Miller
He was also in the party bus. Will and I did a video on.
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Sam Stein
I don't.
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Tim Miller
Was this a trio video or is it just being Will?
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Sam Stein
No, just you and Will.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. The party bus that included Nick Fuentes and Myron Gaines, which I learned during that video is not his real name because people are admiring his gains. And who else was in that? Was in there?
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Will Sommer
The Tate brothers.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. So he was there with other prominent kind of right wing, alt, right type figures.
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Sam Stein
I guess is another singing Heil Hitler by. Yeah, Kanye. Yeah.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. Correct.
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Will Sommer
Yeah. So he's. He's kind of swimming in this universe. And I think what's interesting about Clavicular, besides like all the weird little things, is that he represents this kind of like this fruition of this just like angry young man archetype. You know, his. He's often saying, I'm not into politics or whatever. Like, I think that's stupid, but he has this actually like extremely reactionary anti women agenda, which is sort of like I have to like scheme and you know, the women are just these like, like lustful snakes and you have to like do all these little tricks to ever have a chance of finding love. And. And he's obviously very opposed to like women like working outside of the home or anything like that. And I think this, it's almost like this post Fuentes politics where like Nick Fuentes has this kind of like Nazi ish vibe going on, whereas clavicular is just like, like the world is a wasteland. I mean, he opened. He says, I'm a nihilist, I'm a black pillar. I'm trying to freak people out about the state of the world. And like all you can do is this like kind of sinister plot on yourself to make yourself an experiment to survive.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, the only thing that you control in this world is your own choices. And the choices that he wants people to make is to bone, smash and Munt and Mog. And so that makes sense, I think. One other thing about Sam, I'd like to give one other sort of related element why people should care about Clavicular in this moment. And particularly I think maybe Democratic strategist types and politicians or anyone who enjoys the trios flavor on the, on the Democratic side. And that is. I have not watched a single, I'm not even sure where clavicular posts like, like, does he stream? Does he. Is he on? Like, I don't. I'm on Rumble. I've. No, I literally don't know. Will, don't tell me. I don't want to know. Everything that I have consumed, which is a substantial amount, like I've consumed more clavicular knowledge than I have knowledge of like important matters like St. Thomas Aquinas, like, you know, famous people throughout history. I know more about clavicular than I know about St. Thomas Aquinas. But I have consumed all this information via I guess, like these accounts that cut from his live stream and then post them onto various social media feeds and aggregate the best scenes from his live streams. And like, in order to get super famous and to have control of the narrative now, like, that is what you need to do successfully. It's something that I wish I had. Like, why aren't there more people doing highlight reels of me? If you're out there, something to think about that if you're a Democratic politician, if you're a politician right now in 2026, like to get into the narrative. Like you, like you doing a good job with your own tiktoks and tweets. Like, is really only so much like people are. You know, it is these clip farms where people are seeing this, you know, this information. AOC has this on her working for her. Very few politicians do and Clavicular does. And I think that it's an interesting kind of viewpoint into how to, how to get famous and how to, how to shape the narrative in the year 2026.
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Sam Stein
Yeah. But I would just add like an element to it. First of all, St. Thomas Aquinas famous Jester Maxer. So they have those two things in common.
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Tim Miller
Thank God you didn't call him a gooner, because that would have been sacrilegious to call St. Thomas Aquinas a jester.
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Sam Stein
I did not. I did not. But the flip side of what you're saying is that this guy Clavicular, like, yeah, he streams a lot. But like, and this is what was in the piece that Will wrote was like, you know, it's always up in the ante and doing insane shit. Like, obviously meth is insane and breaking bones in your face is insane. But like in Will, you can maybe describe what actually happened. So like he livestreamed him running over like a human being in his cyber truck and, and like got away with it. And like, you know, it's like there it, it is all sort of, yes, it's all streamed online, but it's also all obviously a play for continued social relevance with this guy.
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Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, so the. Maybe we should talk briefly about the media environment here. And as, as you suggested, Tim, a lot of this is going down on like 12 hour live streams where they're out in the world typically on Kick do is like twitch.com, but Twitch wasn't friendly enough to gambling ads, so they made a new one. And, and so basically he's, he's doing, I mean, I, I talk. I mean, he's getting, he's waving guns around. I mean, he's like, this guy's coming after me, you know, I'm gonna wave a gun at him. He's as you said, I mean, there was an incident late last year where this guy was like stalking him. It was, it was just sort of like in a mall. And then the guy jumped on the hood of Clavicular Cybertruck and Clavicular ran him over and said, you know, along the lines of like, I hope that guy died. And then he was never charged for it. So maybe it was all fake. But I mean, it's these kind of things that then, you know, these 12 hour streams, I will say, having watched even maybe a total of an hour of one of them and they're really boring for the most part. But you have these, these clippers who come in and they get that like 30 seconds of like clavicular ran a guy over and then that's how it blows up.
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Sam Stein
Let's talk about some of the, the words that are used here which are impossible to understand. Yeah, yeah, they are. I don't think I've ever heard of. Okay, well, I didn't have it maybe prior to this weekend. I did not. What is Jester Gooning?
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Tim Miller
Okay, can I just, can I feel this one?
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Sam Stein
Okay, sure.
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Tim Miller
So Jester. I don't know, I'm not sure that there's a ton of Jester Gooning happening. Wilkin, maybe correctly. Jester maxing came out of potentially as recently. I know, I know it's important to understand what Jester maxing is. If you don't understand Jester Gooning. Clavicular. When he was at the club, there's videos of him at the club. And you know, there was a, you know, a kind of sense I think through the arts where you know, a guy at the club to attract a woman, you would, you go to the, you get a booth, you know, you get a couple of bottles, maybe a couple bottles of Grey Goose. You would, you'd seem very cool. What we'd call down mogging. You'd like look good, you'd be chill and the women would come to you, right? Because you know, if you're an alpha dude, you're not going to go beg for it. Clavicular tried a different strategy which was acting an ass. And it doesn't sound cool to say you're acting an ass on the dance floor. And so they called it Jester Maxing. He's being a jester. He's being silly. He was Jester maxing. And then Jester Gooning would be a spurn off of that. Gooning would be kind of extensive masturbation, like a very lengthy masturbation. And so then I believe Jester Gooning would be masturbating while like making silly faces. I'm taking that one via context clues though. So Will, please correct me if you don't think that's right.
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Will Sommer
That's right, Tim. I mean basically clavicular. Clavicular. Typically clavicular. Hates jesters. Because you have to keep in mind, and then this, by this language, it's been Compared to like a clockwork orange or something. It's very this kind of weird like side English but basically the because on one hand you have clavicular who argues that the most important thing in the world is how you look even over money, over status. The other things that these kind of like you know, these, these would be playboys really seek and on the other some people might say, well you know, I, I gesture max. I win over women with my charm and my personality and my jokes and then click your disagrees with that. But even you know, sometimes he'll get, he'll gesture it up a bit but it but a lot of times on stream he'll get mad and someone will be like hey clavicular, like I love your stream. And he's just like so many damn jesters around here.
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Tim Miller
Hold on, I do have to interrupt really quick. I'm sorry because Will Summer is using some really out of date terminology when clavicular is getting mad on stream. The appropriate term is to say that his cortisol is spiking. Thank you. And I think you do hear a lot of people talking about how sometimes clovicular is cortisol spike. Or more impressively, there'll be some jester maxers trying to get his cortisol to spike and they will fail. And that is something that you want to aspire to. You want to keep your cortisol level.
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Sam Stein
You want to keep your cortisol level. Pretty level. All right, we've mentioned it before, but what is mogging?
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Will Sommer
Yeah, mogging, I think, is kind of the most important word in the clavicular universe and sort of, I think increasingly in the kind of like Gen Z Internet. So mogging is a shortening of an earlier looks maxing word, an acronym for alpha male of the group. So the big dog among the men at a nightclub, for example, or in a friend group, then they shorten that to mog. And so if you, you know, if you just look cooler than a guy or you're keeping, you know, you're just making another guy look like a wimp, that would be. You're mogging him.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. Can we, can we pull up on the screen here? Kovicular getting brutally frame mogged by the ASU frat leader. Because that's what was going around this weekend. It's not really novicular. Is my guy not the asu. I don't, I am not into the ASU frat leader who frame mogged brutally cavicular. But he objectively, he did so.
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Sam Stein
And just to be clear, he got feymog because the ASU guy was just more Jack than he was.
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Will Sommer
Well, but he also had like quite a frame, right? I mean, he kind of looked like.
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Tim Miller
This and I saw that as also he dominated the frame, you know, so if clavicular is being followed by a streamer around, like most of the time he's dealing with kind of jesters and other, you know, riff raff. I don't know what they use. What were these riff raff months or voids, you know, and so usually in the frame. Frame in the frame. Clavicular is kind of the key person. But then he went to meet the ASU frat leader and he kind of receded into the side of the frame because he got frame mogged so hardcore. I was asking a lot of parents about this out at, out at the Ferret, the crew of Ferret parade this weekend on Saturday, and a lot of people had thoughts about how brutally he got frame mugged.
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Sam Stein
You mentioned voids. What are Freuds? Will?
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Will Sommer
Foids are short for femoids. That's what these looks maxers call women. And if that seems a little unpleasant.
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Tim Miller
You know it is.
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Will Sommer
And again, you can kind of see the overlap there with incels. But they'll say, like, there will be a video of like a groiper walking around with his girlfriend and saying, like, this is my foid.
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Tim Miller
Hey. Well, this leads us to a key question that I haven't really got the answer to. And this was something going around this weekend. There's a viral post about clavicular at the club and how he was jester gooning and a group of voids came up to him and the person posed this query and I struggled with it. The query was, this is ignoring the foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than smv Chad fishing in the club? So again, I just want to repeat that for folks. Is ignoring the foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than smv chad fishing in the club? And that was kind of a brain teaser for me.
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Sam Stein
Was that an earnest. Do you think that was an earnest tweet or was that someone trying to make light of the situation?
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Tim Miller
I don't know, but it has 23 million views, which is significantly more than this video is going to have. So.
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Sam Stein
So I got to. So I want to set the scene for the club because that's obviously everything took off with that tweet and people being like, what is. What is this language? What the funnies. I didn't realize because I didn't. I didn't watch as much as Will apparently, of the stream. But the weirdest part was how. Why he was in a bad mood because this was the big problem for Kvicker. He looked very sad and.
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Tim Miller
Can'T even.
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Sam Stein
Read it because it's so stupid. But he was not in a bad mood because he was ignoring the Freuds or the movie because it's. Because according to his piece, a woman had come, the waitress had come to deliver his food, and she brought him tomahawk steaks and there's pyrotechnics. And what he really wanted was his chicken tenders.
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Will Sommer
It's crazy. I mean, this guy, he's living the, like, influencer dream that this restaurant, I think is giving him free food. Him and his entourage, and they're like, all right, now we're gonna light the cocktails on fire and all this stuff and see like the Bodyguard, all the. All the other kind of, like, lesser looks. Maxers are like, this is amazing and clavicular, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And, you know, he's with this, this young woman who's just what's wrong clavicular. And he's like, I need my chicken tenders. And finally they come, and he really kind of visibly relaxes.
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Tim Miller
Seems like his cortisol spiked over the tendies. Sam, I should. I should mention we're 19 minutes in at this point, and. Yeah, feels like you haven't done a great job of. You've buried the lead a little bit because clavicular did get jailed.
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Sam Stein
Oh, right. Yeah, that was the issue. So the news here is that he was using a fake id. He also had some drugs on him that were not legal, and he was arrested. He's out. I think that's good for him, but he can't leave the state of Arizona right now. Believe he's supposed to go on some podcasts and he's. He's not gonna be able to do it.
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Tim Miller
Hard to do Chad fishing outside if you're stuck in Arizona.
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Sam Stein
The pills that he was carrying were Adderall and an anabolic steroid pill. So. Yeah, what does one do if you're like a committed steroid and meth user and you get caught and you're in jail? It's gotta be tough.
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Will Sommer
Well, this is one of the great problems. And also, you know, if I'm understanding right, clavicular does not produce testosterone on his own due to his years of steroid abuse. And so, you know, in the past, when he's been busted, whether his college took his steroids or his parents did, it's become a big medical issue for him. But overall, I mean, I think it's. You know, he kind of hit a roadblock here in his quest for viral fame, you know, and he claims, you know, this is political persecution, what have you. I think one issue he may face in his trial is his numerous videos and blog posts talking about his love of abusing illegal drugs constantly. So I think that may come up at trial.
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Tim Miller
But what if he. What if he frame mogs the judge? And. And I'm assuming that. I'm assuming that he's. That he sell mogged a couple of the other criminals. He was in jail, so I don't know. Will, I had a question for you. I saw a post. It's hard to know what's real in this world. Like, for example, can I just throw this out there? I got caught on a viral thread about the TPUSA halftime show, and I believe them when they said that Frazier did a rendition of tossed salad and scrambled eggs at the. At the teep. Should I say halftime show? Turned out, that was not true. I passed that along as it was as fact to people. So I apologize for that misinformation that I accidentally passed along. So I don't want to do this again. I saw a post that indicated that Peter Thiel bailed out. Clavicular is. Do we know anything about whether that is true?
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Will Sommer
That is not true. So Clavicular was released. Was released on his own recognizance. So number one, I don't think he did. But there is no bail to pay. But what I would note is that in the past, Clavicular, he like answered the phone and he said, it's Peter Thiel. He's inviting me to a raucous point party. But I think I kind of have to assume that that was a stunt he pulled to get attention, probably.
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Tim Miller
But speaking of stunts that he pulled that successfully got attention. Sam mentioned this earlier, but I do just think it's really important to say that I like to be fully candid with the audience. I have my biases. There's certain politicians I like better than others. One thing about Clavicular that appealed to me was when he first came into my field of vision for the first time, he was doing an interview with Michael Knowles of the Daily Wire, who is like one of the easiest people in America to frame MOG. And Knowles is asking Clavicular about a hypothetical Newsom vs. J.D. vance matchup. And Clavicular talked about how Newsom, you know, is a gigachad and JD Vance has a recessed side profile and is obese and a subhuman. And I. And despite the fact that we, I do think we have a lot of disagreements about his black pilling and his nihilism. And I wouldn't have gone to the club with Nick Fuentes. I do think he had a, you know, pretty good read on, on JD Vance and his side profile. And. And I think it's possible that I may be a little bit more forgiving towards Clavicular for his different behaviors just based upon that introduction, which really drew me to him quite a bit. I do have to say just one.
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Sam Stein
Stray at JD Vance was all it took to win you over.
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Tim Miller
That's all it takes.
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Sam Stein
Well, I'm gonna end this by reading a little bit of the social media commentary about Will's piece that went up tonight where we're recording this at Monday night around like 9:30. This guy Andrew writes, quote, it's generally upsetting that I'm aware of this person's existence thanks to a shocking degree to the Bulwark. But it's also so Dumb and unhinged. It's hard not to get sucked in. Okay, that's one tweet. Hold on, here's another guy walking. Ryan. What the absolute. Did I just read? That's a pretty good one. Thank you. And the last one from Bob Sampson is. I know it's my own fault, but there are so many things I'd rather know nothing about that I even understand. This is a little depressing. So.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, I gotta tell to all the people that are upset that we've introduced you to this, I hear you. Okay.
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Sam Stein
They're happy upset.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, I hear that. Look, I. There are elements of this I wish I didn't know. I am happy to hear about J.D. vance's recessed side profile. But I think the good news is this weekend, you know, I don't know if wherever you live, they have carnival, they have Mardi Gras, but if you go out to a party, you go, you know, you're hanging out and someone asks you about the brutal frame mugging of the ASU frat leader, you're gonna have a take, you know, and that's good. So that's kind of a little social capital that we're providing you.
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Sam Stein
Yeah, no, Will. Will's not doing this for shits and giggles. He's doing this to help people out.
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Will Sommer
Well. And, you know, if I could just get serious for just a second. I mean, people say like, what's the point of knowing about this guy? Whatever. And besides his social media profile, I mean, I do think if this guy is being presented as a model of kind of like what it is to be a young man and the ideal of masculinity in 2026, I think it's worth looking at what does. What is his life really like? And so you read. Oh, well, this guy has to take enormous amounts of an anti seizure drug just to feel comfortable at his college move in day. I mean, and, you know, it looks just a lot weirder when you get into it. And so that's what I hope we provided here.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. And I do think that's good. You know, people, you should find, if you're a young man watching this, you know, find. Find your self esteem from the inside, you know, from. From what you're providing to the world, you know, you don't need antipsychotics in order to, you know, get through the day. All right, Speak yourself. You know, to deal with an annoying wa. Right. I mean, you're handsome the way you are, you know, without the bone smashing. And, you know, I think that's important, an important counter message that we're providing. So thank you, Will.
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Sam Stein
Thank you, Will. I'm going to go smash my face and take a little meth and call it a night. Tim. Will. Thank you very much everyone. Subscribe to our feed. Also, if you're in Minneapolis, we got a live show on the 18th. Very few tickets left. You should try and grab them up if you are in Minneapolis. We also got some shows coming up in Dallas, in Austin in March, so try to check those out as well. Fellas, thanks a bunch. Really appreciate it.