A Story So Bizarre That No Podcast Title Can Possibly Do It Justice

Summary

Bulwark Takes: "A Story So Bizarre That No Podcast Title Can Possibly Do It Justice"

Podcast: Bulwark Takes
Date: October 21, 2025
Hosts: Tim Miller, Will Sommer, Sam Stein

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Overview

This episode dives into an almost surreal investigative story, uncovered by Will Sommer, involving an obscure right-wing influencer, new age pseudoscience, “healing” recliner chairs, and a bizarre cast orbiting around a company called Unified TV. What begins as a look into a pro-Russia media figure's sudden interview with Tucker Carlson rapidly spirals into a tale of cult-like conspiracy theories, big money scams, influence-peddling, and the strangest wellness fads on offer today. The conversation veers from incredulity to dark comedy, exposing the odd interplay between fringe right-wing circles, profit-driven spirituality, and high-profile media personalities.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Mystery of Elizabeth Lane and Unified TV (02:14)

• Origin Story:
  A previously unknown right-wing media personality, Elizabeth Lane (from the Republic of Georgia), surfaces online touting an interview with Tucker Carlson. Her connections prompt questions: Who is she? Who backs her?
• Unified TV:
  Lane is affiliated with Unified TV (spelled with a Y—"Unifyd"), a site boasting guests like former Navy SEAL Jocko Willink and James O’Keefe, but attracting minimal viewership, sparking Will Sommer’s curiosity (02:41).

Will Sommer (02:41):
"She's very pro Putin. So, you know, it was a weird situation. So I looked into it, and she works for a website called Unified tv. That's Unified with a Y."

2. The Rise of Jason Shurka and "The Light System" (03:56)

• Who is Jason Shurka?
  A young, new-age conspiracy promoter who claims contact with a “benevolent cabal” called The Light System devoted to spiritual ascension and veganism, with undertones of QAnon-adjacent narrative.
• Financial Stakes:
  Despite the fringe ideology, there’s real money involved—tens of millions implicated.
• The “Elders” and Their Practices:
  The group supposedly communicates with a shadowy elder named “Ray,” appearing in disguise on YouTube (05:20).

Will Sommer (04:18):
"His claim to fame is that he claims he's in contact with a benevolent cabal known as the Light System...their whole goal is to ascend humanity. By the way, folks, this is...tens of millions of dollars at stake here."

3. Enter Dr. Sandra Rose Michael and the EE System (05:58)

• The Healing Device:
  Dr. Sandra Rose Michael (credentials dubious) created the “EE System,” purportedly a healing device inspired by aliens, which is basically a stacked array of televisions displaying colorful graphics.
• Schurka's Role:
  After his sister’s dog is “healed” by the device, Shurka joins forces with Michael, seeing a lucrative opportunity (06:56).

Sam Stein (07:32):
"[Shurka] finds a potential cash cow in this company called EE Systems, which is selling recliners where you can basically sit back and watch a TV screen. And that supposedly is going to heal you."

4. The Light System vs. EE System: A Pseudoscience Rivalry (08:03–11:00)

• Business Merger and Schism:
  EE Systems makes millions selling healing chair sessions and devices ($30–40M annually during the pandemic). Shurka tries to sell his device-making company to EE, but negotiations collapse—sparking competing products and bitter infighting.
• Legal Battle:
  Threats and lawsuits fly between the cabal-light-chair factions, with details spilling out via court documents.

Will Sommer (10:18):
"[Now] there's this big rivalry now in the light system EE System community. And the other thing I would say is the people who—"
Sam Stein (10:19):
"My brain is breaking."
Tim Miller (10:19):
"Oh my God. There's enough demand for this to create multiple competitors. Coke and Pepsi. This is Coke and Pepsi."

5. Mainstream Influencers Get Pulled In (13:59)

• Unified TV’s Strategy:
  Shurka uses Unified (and its platform Unified TV) to attract prominent right-wing media figures and influencers, e.g., Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr., James O’Keefe, and Jocko Willink.
• Incentivizing Participation:
  There’s evidence of large sums devoted to booking these personalities, though direct payments—with the exception of O'Keefe—aren't confirmed.

Will Sommer (14:41):
"James O' Keefe had this incredible moment...he goes in and he goes, whoa, I'm energized. And he comes out and he says, I'm so much anxious, I have to go back as a real customer this time."

Tim Miller (16:23):
"The woman's hot and she's pro Russia. So it's possible that, like, I guess I'm just saying, like, there's another rationale for Tucker doing this interview besides taking some cash from the...But it feels like Russia hotness or taking money from the lightsaber chairs. Could be both theories here, I think."

6. Field Trip: Will Sommer Visits an EE Center (17:17–22:44)

• On the Ground at an EE System Center:
  In Vienna, VA, Sommer books a $60 session at a strip mall “vitality” center. The experience includes a recliner, earplugs, an eye mask, bath salts (to be used within 24 hours to “absorb” energy), and instructions to hydrate.
• What It Really Looks Like:
  Despite healing claims, the room is full of ordinary flat-screen TVs “bought from Costco,” stacked in corners with wires everywhere.
• Clientele and Experience:
  Other clients—largely older—appear invested in the ritual. Sommer mostly takes a nap, leaves unimpressed, and hasn’t yet used the bath salts.

Will Sommer (18:40):
"They give you a gift bag. So it's earplugs in case the other people in the room with you are snoring. It's an eye mask and bath salts...And they said also, by the way, you better drink a ton of water because it gets pretty crazy in there."

Will Sommer (19:08):
"In one of the related to this, someone says, like, yeah, they're just TVs we got from Costco. Like they. They claim there's some other aspect, but they said, yeah, we just buy the monitors at Costco."

7. The Media Grift: Business or Belief? (23:14–24:25)

• MAGA as Revenue Engine:
  Is Shurka a true believer or just leveraging conspiracy culture for profit? The hosts see him as both a conspiracy-theory entrepreneur and an opportunist exploiting MAGA circles and alternative health seekers for massive profits.

Will Sommer (23:54):
"I think Jason Schurka is a kind of like a right wing conspiracy theorist guy. A lot of his stuff does echo QAnon...But I also think, you know, he's seen what a fabulous money making opportunity this could be."

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

On the scope of the scam:

• "This is like the Coke and Pepsi of woo woo light system. Sit in a chair and your dog will no longer have rabies or whatever.”
  — Tim Miller (13:29)

On the clientele:

• "I went in the middle of the day on a Friday and there were three...It was 10am yeah. There were three other people just chilling in there with me and they were there when I left. So I was there for two hours."
  — Will Sommer (20:29)

On the “science”:

• "What colors Tim would press...Did you feel, did you feel any additional sexual energy?"
  — Sam Stein & Tim Miller (22:35–22:44)

On grifts and ideology:

• "Is the goal...to give platforms to crazy right wing people? Or do you think that he's using the maga people as a business opportunity to get more money for the light, the cabal of the light people?"
  — Tim Miller (23:16)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Elizabeth Lane and Unified TV explained: 02:14–03:56
• Jason Shurka and The Light System: 03:56–05:20
• Introduction to Dr. Sandra Rose Michael and EE System: 05:58–07:32
• Financial boom and rivalry with Shurka: 08:03–11:00
• Media influencer recruitment, Tucker & O’Keefe: 13:59–15:56
• Sommer’s field visit to an EE System center: 17:17–22:44
• Discussion on grift vs. ideology: 23:14–24:25

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Tone & Style

The hosts blend incredulity and journalistic curiosity with sharp, often sardonic wit. They are openly skeptical and sometimes laughingly exasperated, emphasizing how truly outlandish—yet lucrative—these fringe enterprises have become. Their back-and-forth makes the subject accessible and entertaining, even as it uncovers genuinely troubling intersections of disinformation, grift, and media manipulation.

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Conclusion

This episode exposes the strange reality behind new-age wellness scams and their connection to right-wing media ecosystems. Through humor, skepticism, and real reporting—including an undercover field visit—the Bulwark crew illustrates just how lucrative and convoluted conspiracy-driven businesses can become and how high-profile figures can be drawn into their orbit, intentionally or not. For listeners seeking to understand the bizarre underbelly of the influencer-pseudoscience complex, this episode is enlightening, hilarious, and more than a little disturbing.

Transcript

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[Tim Miller]

Hey everybody, it's Tim Miller from the Bulwark and I'm here with the jingling potatoes. My friends, a trio of us from the Bulwark, it's managing editor Sam Stein, Will Sommer, who is known for his like prominent hand fingers and. Not you just. I'm just talking about how like if you give him a high five, you're like, whoa, that guy is. Has a powerful high five. I'll take it.

[Will Sommer]

I kind of like this, this.

[Tim Miller]

So anyway, fellas, Will Summer has a newsletter called False Flag and he posted one last night. Sam Stein edited it, I read it and I just, I don't know why I'm here. Kind of, I don't know, just to listen. It's truly something.

[Sam Stein]

What did you think of.

[Tim Miller]

Was head spin. It just took some twists and turns. I didn't expect his head spinning. And I first thought it was going to be a profile of this, this maybe Russian operative that interviewed Tucker Carlson. And then, then we end up on a journey where Will Summer is in a suburban.

[Sam Stein]

Shopping mall.

[Tim Miller]

Shopping mall. A strip mall. A suburban strip where he is like being handed bath salts and having some like vitamin D lights shown on him. So anyway, I was like, I didn't, I didn't think that's where we were going. So I want you guys to explain to me what this is, why we should care. And I guess we should start with you, Will.

[Will Sommer]

Sure. Yeah. So, so this one is like I said, I mean, it's kind of experimental story. This is. You'll want, you'll want a trip guide to sit with you as you consume this content. So basically a few weeks ago, this woman named Elizabeth Lane came on the right wing scenes. She's from the Republic of Georgia. No one had ever heard of her and she said, hey, guys, I'm Elizabeth Laid. Here's my interview with Tucker Carlson. And all these people on the right said, who the heck.

[Tim Miller]

Where.

[Will Sommer]

Where did this woman come from?

[Sam Stein]

What?

[Will Sommer]

And as Tim said, she's very pro Putin. So, you know, it was a weird situation. So I looked into it, and she works for a website called Unified tv. That's Unified with a Y. And I started looking into this, and I said, gosh, you know, they got Tucker, they got Jocko Willink, the former Navy SEAL who's kind of one of these Rogan, like, get tough guys. James o' Keefe is listed as one of distributors. What's going on here? And what's going on here?

[Tim Miller]

And are they doing big numbers over there at Unified tv? Are they doing numbers?

[Will Sommer]

Right, they're doing. No, they're. They're not quite at Bulwark Numbers, though. Maybe we could learn from their. Their revenue streams. But they're. They're. They're at. In Elizabeth Lane's case, I mean, she was. Her videos are getting, like, 500 views with Jocko Willink, stuff like this. And it was a very weird situation. And so I decided to dig into it.

[Sam Stein]

All right, I'll pick up here, I suppose, because as I'm editing this, I'm like, where the is this going? This is so weird. I don't understand it. And then we get to, like, this idea of, like, actually who is funding this company, Unified tv. And what's this guy's name? How do you pronounce it?

[Will Sommer]

Jason Shurka.

[Sam Stein]

Shirka.

[Will Sommer]

Yes.

[Sam Stein]

Jason Shurka. Had you ever. Tim, had you ever heard of Jason Shurka?

[Tim Miller]

I had not.

[Sam Stein]

Okay, yeah, no, me neither. So explain who this dude is.

[Will Sommer]

So he's. He's this guy. He's kind of like a youngish kind of guy. He's New Agey. He's. He has sort of risen to prominence on the right and in sort of, I guess, kind of like what you would call kind of like Maha sphere, sort of the fringe.

[Sam Stein]

This is like this. This is fringy Maha. Like, let's be real.

[Will Sommer]

Exactly. Although RFK Jr. Is also mixed up in this. So what is it.

[Sam Stein]

What is he preaching, basically?

[Will Sommer]

So basically, his claim to fame is that he claims he's in contact with a benevolent cabal known as the Light System. And he has a video where he's like, the Light System. I'm not an initiated member. You know, I'm not made man in the Light System, but I'm sort of a fellow traveler. And their whole goal is to ascend humanity. By the way, folks, this is. I didn't find just one random cook here. There's tens of millions of dollars at stake here. So the. Basically, he says, I am in touch with the light system, and they all want us all to become Vegans. They want us all to be nicer to each other so that we can eventually reach interstellar travel in the light system. It's some aliens, some immortal being.

[Sam Stein]

Sorry, I'm sorry.

[Tim Miller]

I had a. I have a question. I have something that I missed from the story. The light system. I thought it was like, literally a system of light.

[Will Sommer]

It is, but his initial thing is there's a version.

[Tim Miller]

So there's a cabal of, like, there's an elders. There are elders of.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, but do we know who the elders are? Do we have. Do we have any idea who's in this cabal?

[Will Sommer]

There's one that will appear on his YouTube show sometimes named Ray. And Ray kind of covers up his identity. And he goes. He goes, hey. And so he's all stressed, shrouded. He's wearing a hoodie and gloves. And he sort of conveniently is always taking Jason Shirk aside to be sort of like, if we interviewed someone for the Bulwark and they said, you know, Sam was right about that idea.

[Sam Stein]

Well, you do that. Anyways, so this light system cabal has Jason Schurka as its spokesperson. And how do they, like. I mean, how. What do they do other than preach?

[Will Sommer]

So parallel to this, there's this woman named Dr. Sandra Rose Michael. And I will say the doctor title, it's a little loose here. She's not an md, let's say. There's been a lot of accusations about where that's coming from.

[Tim Miller]

More credits are fewer than Dr. Jill Biden, would you say?

[Will Sommer]

I would say Dr. Jill Biden is like more of a level smore doctor. And so basically parallel to this for about 20 years is this woman named Sandra Rose Michael, who's also very New Agey. She says, I believe she's claimed that aliens gave her the idea for this medical device that she calls the EE system. And in practice. And we can show some footage here. It's like a screen. It's a screensaver, basically, that shows.

[Tim Miller]

Sure.

[Will Sommer]

It looks like English sort of. It's. It. It shows different colors, sort of languages.

[Tim Miller]

How can it look like English sort of.

[Will Sommer]

It's sort of random letters. And I think she has.

[Sam Stein]

You just don't get it, Tim. You don't get it. You're not on the.

[Will Sommer]

And so for for decades, she's been claiming, you know, I've got this screen that will heal people. And then she teams up with Jason Schurka because his sister's dog is healed by it. And he claims the light system cabal said, you got to get on board with this lady. But I think what may have happened here is he sees these screens that aren't, like, really making a ton of money, and he goes, cha ching, cha ching, cha ching.

[Sam Stein]

And, yeah, at this point, I think we need to. Just because some. It's important because I. As I was editing this, I. I was. I admit, was like, what the is going on? I don't. I can't follow. So maybe it's important to recap and then we can move on.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

Jason Shirka, who claims to be a spokesperson for the light system, a cabal of new ag spiritualists who want to make everyone vegan and send them to heaven, finds a potential cash cow in this company called EE Systems, which is selling recliners where you can basically sit back and watch a TV screen. And that supposedly is going to heal you.

[Tim Miller]

So the light system Cabal purchases a literal light system.

[Sam Stein]

Correct.

[Tim Miller]

And they merge.

[Sam Stein]

At this point, I just want to be clear. Shurka is not involved with Unified TV yet. He's just part of this cabal, and he's doing this recliner thing. But then they get into business together, and they make a lot of money, right?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah. So they make, you know, they're. According to this comes out later in court records, but they're clearing 30, 40 million a year during the pandemic and a little after that because, you know.

[Sam Stein]

Because people want to buy these healing systems. So you can buy these chairs and they come. Or I guess you can go to a location.

[Will Sommer]

You can. You can either go to center where you're paying about 100 bucks per hour to sit in the recliner, get zapped or what have you.

[Sam Stein]

Or people are actually paying this money, I guess, right?

[Will Sommer]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, people are. I mean, this is a real thing. I mean, they claim to have 800 around the world. I mean, I. I think verifiably it's.

[Tim Miller]

Not a real thing, but it's a real thing that people go.

[Will Sommer]

It's a real thing.

[Sam Stein]

800 what? 800 stores.

[Will Sommer]

800 centers.

[Tim Miller]

Wow.

[Will Sommer]

Or you can buy one for your house, and it's probably. I mean, they vary. One is like a pyramid. You know, maybe they could sit on a. On a table, and that's going to run you, I don't know, $10,000.

[Tim Miller]

What the. And so they're. They're clearing 30, 40 million a year.

[Sam Stein]

It's a lot of money.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, all right, now what then? Okay, so now what are they doing with all that revenue?

[Will Sommer]

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[Will Sommer]

So then Jason. Jason, who's doing the. The. Who's sort of making a lot of money from. In various aspects of this. He says, you know what? I'm ready to cash out. Why don't you guys buy my company, the company that makes the machines? Why don't you buy it from me for, let's say, $30 million? And they say, oh, yikes, I don't know. And then they start. The company that makes the machine starts getting letters from the light system cabal saying, you better pay Jason this money or else. And they say, oh, my gosh. The Cabal is here and they're freaking out. They're saying, oh, my gosh, we. Okay, okay, okay. Would 10 million do? And they start kind of negotiating here. But ultimately, in January 2025, the negotiations break down. Jason says, you know what? Whatever. I'm going to sell my own machines. Basically identical. And these are called the Light System. So there's this big rivalry now in the light system EE System community. And the other thing I would say is the people who.

[Sam Stein]

My brain is breaking.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, my God. There's enough demand for this to create multiple competitors. Coke and Pepsi. This is Coke and Pepsi.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah. And I mean, it's getting ugly. And so Jason records a video with the Light System with Ray saying, you know, Sandra Rose, Michael, the money went to her head. The Cabal disowns her and all this stuff. And so basically, how does this. How do we bring this back to Tucker Carlson?

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[Will Sommer]

That's exactly right. That's where all of this stuff is spilling out.

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[Sam Stein]

Okay, wow.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, how do we get back to Tucker? Okay, so now we have the Coke and Pepsi of the kind of woo woo light system. Sit in a chair and your dog will no longer have rabies or whatever, you know, fleas. Okay, so put your dog in the chair. No more fleas for the dog. We're excited this company becomes so popular that they're now there's a spin off and somehow Tucker Carlson is what, promoting?

[Will Sommer]

Sure. So Jason Shirka is very into influencer promoting and so he's built out this kind of right wing media outlet called Unified TV and Like I said, it's roping in people like Tucker. And I will say, to Tucker's credit, he's not sitting in front of a light system and saying, this is incredible. But there seems to be this effort to kind of, like, build.

[Tim Miller]

It's only to his credit because RFK Jr. Was.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

James O'. Keefe.

[Will Sommer]

Yes. James O' Keefe had this incredible moment last year where he goes, you know, I'm James o'. Keefe. You know, I love my undercover stings. I'm going to wear a hidden camera in and blow the lid off this E System scam. And he goes in and he goes, whoa, I'm energized. And he comes out and he says, I'm so much anxious, I have to go back as a real customer this time.

[Sam Stein]

What did RFK Jr do when he appeared?

[Will Sommer]

RFK Jr seemed more baffled by it than anything. I mean, he sort of sat next to it, and at one point he goes, oh, yeah, you know, I noticed you set this up here in my house. And I say, and we're going to give it to you as a gift.

[Sam Stein]

And did he take the gift as far as we know?

[Will Sommer]

I mean, he sort of goes, okay, you know, great.

[Sam Stein]

All right.

[Tim Miller]

So, Jason, Secretary of Health and Human Services at this point.

[Sam Stein]

So was it at this point or was it prior to this point?

[Tim Miller]

No, no, no. I just mean, like, now. Like, right now he's a Secretary of the Human Services. So, like, even if you just kind of sat in a video with it in your house, in your room, and I think you're pretty, like, pretty complicit here, suspect.

[Sam Stein]

So, okay, so Shirk has got this whole kind of group called Unified that is, like, where all his interests are, you know, put together, including light systems, chairs and things like that. And Unified is also running this. Unified World is also running Unified tv, which hosts Elizabeth Lane, among other people. And then Elizabeth Lane randomly gets Tucker Carlson booked, even though she has, like, 1,000 Twitter followers at the time. Is the implication that Tucker's getting some kickback from the recliner Chair Healing enterprise or no?

[Will Sommer]

You know, I don't have proof of that. I mean, there is stuff in the court documents about how Jason Schurka was given all this money to spend on getting in interviews with influencers a few years ago. And so there seems to be a lot of money flowing around, you know, bringing. I mean, they're getting some big names like. Like I said, Jocko Willink, James o'. Keefe. I mean, to the extent we don't know If Tucker was paid. But I think if you pull back.

[Tim Miller]

Clearly James o' Keefe was paid. Like, that was.

[Will Sommer]

Oh, definitely, definitely.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

And Tucker's case, like this woman is. I can, as a gay man, I can just be the one to say this. The woman's hot and she's pro Russia. So it's possible that, like, I guess I'm just saying, like, there's another rationale for Tucker doing this interview besides taking some cash from the.

[Sam Stein]

How cynical.

[Tim Miller]

You like saber chair people. But like, I guess it could be both or either. But it feels like Russia hotness or taking money from the lightsaber chairs. Could be both theories here, I think.

[Sam Stein]

All right, let's get to the good part. So you come to me with this story idea. This is crazy. But now it gets really funny. You come to me with a story and you're like, oh, there's also a EE systems center in Arlington, Virginia. Vienna, Virginia. Sorry.

[Tim Miller]

A little further out on the, on the orange line.

[Sam Stein]

Sorry. Well, we send you there and we sprung big time cash for it. 60 bucks. Tell us about what it's like.

[Will Sommer]

So I drove out there. It's a, you know, it's kind of a strip mall. They also had a cryotherapy office there. So I go in and it's.

[Sam Stein]

What's the sign say out front?

[Will Sommer]

You know, all of these are very vague. It's like, you know, the vitality center, the energy and mind. And so I went in and they, they were so excited to see me and they said, what was next door?

[Tim Miller]

I'm sorry, I just need to paint a bigger picture. Is it like a Domino's that's next?

[Will Sommer]

Do car wash. There was a car.

[Sam Stein]

Kill yourself. Wash your car, Place your bundle services.

[Will Sommer]

So I went in and they. And. And they give you a gift bag. So it's earplugs in case the other people in the room with you are snoring. It's an eye mask and bath salts. And the important part about the bath salts is because they think there's all energy waves so that you're going to get, you know, blasted with the energy waves. And then they tell you take a bath soon, within 24 hours, and you're going to have this energy, energetic bath salts that's going to be charged up for you. And they said also, by the way, you better drink a ton of water because it gets pretty crazy in there. And so, and I will say they made me sign this thing that was like, you know, I won't touch the EE system or I'll get charged 1500 bucks. I under. It was kind of like a membership association. I kind of felt like I was joining a church. But then also they said, you know, we have to do this because we don't assert that it'll heal you. But then she said, but to be clear, it definitely will heal you.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, my God. I think my favorite part of the piece was the art that you sent in, because you got to understand the image of this is like you're on just a reclining chair. And as far as I can tell, tell me if I'm wrong. In the corner of the room, it looks like they just stacked six kind of relatively old TVs and there's like wires coming out from everywhere all over the place. The TVs each have different colors and weir.

[Will Sommer]

In one of the related to this, someone says, like, yeah, they're just TVs we got from Costco. Like they. They claim there's some other aspect, but they said, yeah, we just buy the monitors at Costco.

[Sam Stein]

It looks like it. And the ceiling looks just like this. Honestly, that's what the ceiling looks like.

[Tim Miller]

You're just in like an office. Like, they don't like put you in like an enclosed space. Have you ever done the gravity thing where you lay in the gravity, you know, you lay in the water and the gravity in the zero gravity containers. Have you done one of those? I was kind of expecting that, like you'd be at least in a container of some kind. Like you're just sitting in a room with six TVs on. Like you could be at a sports.

[Sam Stein]

There's nothing sophisticated about it. It's just there's wires over radiators with like weird drawn curtains and industrial office decor. It's like, I mean, I could set up a situation right here and charge people and say, oh, I'm going to heal you. It would be the same thing.

[Will Sommer]

It was. It was crazy. And there's no, you know, being so like electronic and wave based. I thought they'd be like no phones or anything, but everyone's just kind of in there watching Netflix or like flick on their phones or whatever.

[Tim Miller]

You have your phones up. So there are other. There were other people in the room with you?

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, so.

[Will Sommer]

And that's the other thing is because I know people after the stories come out, people have said no one you. This is. We'll found one random crackpot, but just. I went in the middle of the day on a Friday and there were three.

[Sam Stein]

It was in the middle day.

[Will Sommer]

It was 10am it was 10am yeah. There were three other people just chilling in there with me and they were there when I left. So I was there for two hours. So, I mean, I don't know how much they had booked. Probably would have cost like a couple hundred bucks.

[Tim Miller]

You sat in that room for two hours?

[Sam Stein]

He fell asleep.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, well, you can nap. You know, I mean, it was great to me. I mean, I don't get a ton of sleep. So, you know, I thought, you know, this Bulwark job is pretty sweet. You know, I get to go take a nap in the middle of the day. I mean, it was great. And, you know, look, I would be scared.

[Tim Miller]

Of what? The other people in the room. What if they're creepy? What if they started touching you?

[Will Sommer]

They were. They were sort of older people. I wasn't too concerned.

[Tim Miller]

Old people can be creepy.

[Will Sommer]

But I mean, it did look. I mean, it did bum me out in a way. I mean, this thing is so weird, but it is also, you know, people seemed really, like, prepared for it. They came in with their blankets, you know, posted up for a while. And, you know, when I left, they said, well, did you feel anything? And I said, well, you know, I didn't feel, you know, like a. Like a big moment, but. And they said, did you feel energized? And I mean, yeah, but I mean, I had just taken a nap and relaxed in a dark room for a couple hours. So, yeah, I mean, I felt a little better than I did.

[Tim Miller]

Did you do the bath with the bath salts?

[Will Sommer]

You know, I haven't taken the bath salts. I'm saving that for a real moment when I need it.

[Sam Stein]

What would just. I know you said there's like quasi English on these TVs, but, like, what. What actually is going. Describe, if you can, what. What's being projected on them?

[Will Sommer]

I mean, it's. It's just sort of gobbledygook. I mean, it almost looks like sort of static or, or. You know what? We know from the lawsuits, that it's. It's. It's basically programmed language. The one thing I would add that didn't make it.

[Sam Stein]

And is that supposed to give you healing powers or.

[Will Sommer]

Well, the machines have different buttons and so like, for example, what do you.

[Sam Stein]

Mean the machines, the chairs, so the.

[Will Sommer]

Screens, according to the user's manual. And there's certain things that, that will say, like, you know, like sexual healing or you know, like, like, like, like, like energy. And you press these different buttons and the, the colors are supposed to offer you. In this case, you Know, sexual energy or, or a, you know, more, you.

[Sam Stein]

Know, to heal, you know, what colors Tim would press.

[Tim Miller]

Did you, did you feel, did you feel any additional sexual energy? Did you feel any additional sexual energy?

[Will Sommer]

Well, I don't know what setting mind was on. I, I, you know, I, I, I, I, maybe it was like my mitochondria was getting regenerated. I mean, they talk a lot.

[Sam Stein]

That's far.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, there's a lot of mitochondrial concerns out there when you're at the airport.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah. You can't watch those kids with deficiencies.

[Tim Miller]

Whoa. All right. Well, this was great.

[Sam Stein]

I still don't really understand it, and I've gone through it like five times.

[Tim Miller]

I guess I have one more question. I mean, I understand the scam part of it. Pretty straightforward.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, you think it's not real?

[Tim Miller]

The media side of it? I'm so a little bit concerned. It's just like, like essentially the theory here is, I guess my question is, will, do you think that the media platforms where they're promoting maga maha, Russia stuff is the goal? Like it's a guy that has ideology and so he's using his money to whatever, give platforms to crazy right wing people. Or do you think that he's using the maga people as a business opportunity to get more money for the light, the cabal of the light people?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, I think Jason Schurka is a kind of like a right wing conspiracy theorist guy. A lot of his stuff does echo qanon, the idea of kind of like white hats versus black hats. But I also think, you know, he's seen what a fabulous money making opportunity this could be. And so I think, you know, businesses sometimes sponsor media outlets. Obviously airlines have in flight magazines. I think dollar shave Club sponsored a website for a while about kind of like men's lifestyle. So, you know, why not the light system?

[Tim Miller]

All right, well, everybody out there, I'm sure they're gonna have a big day tomorrow. It's gonna be a big Wednesday for the Bulwark YouTube audience. They're gonna look up their local EE system, see if they can go get a little midday nap in, get some mitochondrial juice, some sexual energy and some bath salts. And good luck out there. This is what you come to us for. I appreciate everybody. Subscribe to the feed. Go to the bulwark.com and subscribe to Will Summer's newsletter because it's wonderful and we'll be trioing with you again soon.

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