Ask JVL: On AI, Iran War, Populism and Should Sarah Run for the Senate?

Summary

Bulwark Takes — "Ask JVL: On AI, Iran War, Populism and Should Sarah Run for the Senate?"

Date: May 25, 2026
Hosts: JVL (The Bulwark), Jasmine Green
Episode Theme:
A candid Q&A session with JVL and Jasmine Green dissecting the latest political controversies, tech anxieties (especially about artificial intelligence), election vulnerabilities, cultural narratives on crime, and a playful question about Bulwark colleague Sarah Longwell’s political future.

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Episode Overview

JVL and Jasmine, now newly reunited in person, respond to listener questions with frankness, insight, and humor. The episode ranges from topical concerns about Trump-era legal controversies and the politicization of crime, dives deep into fears about AI's societal consequences, and takes a hopeful detour into what a "normal" America might look like, including preferred policy debates. The conversation closes with a teaser about Sarah Longwell's Senate prospects.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The $1.776 Billion DOJ “Slush Fund” and Trump

[01:24–04:19]

• JVL’s Take: It will likely be impossible to stop the transfer of funds allegedly set up as a slush fund to advance Trump’s interests.

  "Once the money is gone… it's a little bit like a, in a movie where somebody is moving dollars from one Swiss account to another… Once you get to 100%, it's transferred, it's gone. The American government doesn't have control of the money anymore." —JVL (01:46)

• Attempts to disrupt the process (like flooding claim sites with bogus submissions) may feel cathartic but are unlikely to make a difference, as JVL suspects access will be tightly controlled and directed mostly via personal connections.

• Jasmine’s Response: Expresses frustration and dark humor about being excluded from such blatant spoils:

  "Even more unfortunate that I can't get a slice of this pie. Not to be greedy, but wow." —Jasmine (04:21)

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2. Will AI Dominate Politics in 2028?

[04:30–10:27]

• Is AI a top-tier political issue?

  • JVL: AI will matter, especially if there’s mass economic disruption, but is unlikely to drive votes in 2028 unless its impact becomes “enormous.”

    "I think AI will be one of these incredibly important issues that has reasonably low political salience… it'll be something everybody mentions as part of their grievance, but in terms of actual policies that get passed, you know, things to be done about it. I think probably not." —JVL (05:16)

  • The Bulwark has considered bringing on an AI/tech specialist, but interest among readers seems niche compared to core political content. JVL admires writers like Molly White, ideally wanting her voice at The Bulwark.

• Jasmine’s AI Dread:

  • Jasmine is adamantly anti-AI, dubbing herself a “Luddite.”

    "I just can't stomach it. I just don't think there's… very, very, very few upsides to AI. And I think the downside is, like, it's tremendous and that it is actually rotting our brains." —Jasmine (07:44)

• AI Future Scenarios (Jasmine’s Tiers):

  • Worst Case: Students become unable to think independently, already visible in schools where children rely on AI for basic answers.
  • Median Case: Legislation enacts strong age restrictions, barring children from unfettered use.
  • Best-ish Case: The AI bubble bursts economically, public frustration mounts to the point of backlash and widespread rejection.

  "My worst case scenario is that children will be in school and relying so much on AI that they are genuinely unable to have original thoughts for themselves… already happening." —Jasmine (08:40) "There was a college graduation… The speaker was like, you all love AI. AI is great. And they booed him. They booed him to hell... That gives me so much hope." —Jasmine (10:17)

• JVL’s Anecdote:

  • Recalls the fate of Google Glass for context, illustrating how cultural rejection can kill seemingly inevitable technologies.

    "There was a moment when Google made the first wearable… and there was a lot of like, hey, this is the future, no way to stop it. And the answer was like, people just hated it… I would like it if certain sectors took similar lines towards AI." —JVL (10:34)

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3. Election Manipulation and Voter Suppression Fears

[11:25–13:40]

• Could Republicans obstruct Democratic victories in Congress?
  • JVL:
    • Thinks Democratic Senate control in 2028 is improbable (“a very, very heavy lift… 1 in 8 or 1 in 10 scenario”).
    • More anxiety around the House: GOP might use lawsuits to prevent seating of chosen Democratic members by challenging the constitutionality of districts.
    • The size of the Democratic majority will affect how much obstruction Republicans may attempt.

    "I am more concerned about Republicans trying to prevent the seating of House members… If Democrats have like a three seat House majority, could Republicans decide they're going to launch a lawsuit… So I think that is one of the things that we're likely to see." —JVL (12:10)

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4. The Politics of Crime: Why White-Collar Crime Gets a Pass

[13:40–16:27]

• Listener Question: Why are people more outraged by retail theft than large-scale white-collar crime, especially among MAGA circles?

• JVL’s View:

  • The “blue-collar vs. white-collar crime” dichotomy, in his view, often boils down to racism and tribalism, not principle.

    "I find it hard to see this through the lens of anything other than racism... It’s all like in-group, out-group stuff. And none of it is actually based in principle." —JVL (13:40)

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5. Imagining a “Normal” America: Jasmine’s Policy Wish List

[16:27–19:43]

• JVL to Jasmine: What would you care about if US politics wasn’t in constant existential crisis?
• Jasmine:
  • Most passionate about education, racial justice, and prison reform. She fears that children are being neglected and set up to fail, especially as tech increasingly replaces real learning.
  • Emphasizes the transformative power of education in her own life.

    "I'm very worried that this is no longer happening in schools… Nothing more terrifying than the idea that kids are going to school and learning next to nothing or being pushed through grades… Education is power is one of those platitudes that is just very, very true." —Jasmine (17:30)

Reform Proposal if 'Queen for a Day':

[18:18–19:43]

• Mandate more tutors and assistant teachers in every school—reducing teacher-to-student ratios and expanding support.
• Shares positive example from her Chicago school, which set aside entire days for tutoring (“Colloquium”):

  "In my high school we had, you know, we had a whole day that was literally tutoring. It was called Colloquium." —Jasmine (19:15) "I would honestly make every school have colloquium." —Jasmine (19:43)

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6. Should Sarah Longwell Run for Senate?

[20:04–20:36]

• Listener floats the idea; JVL promises a hot take—reserved for Bulwark subscribers (“on the other side”)—leaving off with a light tease and invitation to join the community.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• JVL on the DOJ Slush Fund:

  "Once the money is gone... the American government doesn't have control of the money anymore." (01:46)

• Jasmine’s AI Jitters:

  "I just can't stomach it. I just don't think there's… very, very, very few upsides to AI. And I think the downside is, like, it's tremendous and that it is actually rotting our brains." (07:44)

• JVL’s Google Glass Parable:

  "There was a moment when Google made the first wearable… and people just hated it. And so… there were bars that… just said, if you have these things on your face, we're gonna throw you out. We won't tolerate this." (10:34)

• JVL on White-Collar vs. Blue-Collar Crime:

  "I think it's basically all racism anyways… I'm sure these things are complicated. But also it's mostly racism, right?" (13:40)

• Jasmine’s Educational Reform Vision:

  "I would honestly make every school have colloquium." (19:43)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:24 — Listener question: Can the DOJ slush fund be stopped?
• 04:30 — Will AI shape 2028 politics? Should Bulwark hire an AI expert?
• 07:44 — Jasmine’s anti-AI stance and dystopian fears.
• 10:34 — JVL’s Google Glass anecdote as a hopeful analogy.
• 11:25 — Can Democrats protect a congressional win from GOP procedural sabotage?
• 13:40 — Why does blue-collar crime frighten more than corruption at the top?
• 16:27 — Jasmine imagines a "normal" America and her policy priorities.
• 18:18 — “Queen for a day” education policy reform idea.
• 20:16 — Should Sarah Longwell run for Senate? (teaser)

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Overall Tone

Conversational, wryly humorous, and wholly unfiltered—JVL and Jasmine balance political fatalism, cultural exasperation, and hope for civic renewal with relatable banter and refreshing honesty.

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For listeners hungry for insight into the intersection of technology, politics, and culture—with a side of Bulwark camaraderie—this episode delivers both critique and candor, skipping the platitudes and pulling no punches.

Transcript

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[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my real life friend and colleague at the Bulwark, Jasmine Green. Jasmine and I have now met in meet space together. It was amazing. She is a tall person and as lovely as the day is long. Jasmine, it's good to see you.

[Jasmine Green]

It's nice to see you too.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Let's ask each other some questions.

[Jasmine Green]

Yes, let's do it. The top question this week is from Sue G. Who asks, is there anything that can be done to stop Trump and the DOJ from setting up the $1.776 billion slush fund to benefit his criminal plans? Now, you just wrote a great triad on this and this question was asked before the triad.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

So the short answer is I don't think so. We're going to find out there. We have some people who have filed attempts to stop the, the process, but I think it's unlikely to work. I don't think there's any judicial relief available. And once the money is gone, I mean, this is a little bit like a, in a movie where somebody is moving dollars from one Swiss account to another and you know, like they, they push the button on their phone and you see transfer, transfer, transfer. They. Once you get to 100%, it's transferred, it's gone. The American government doesn't have control of the money anymore. And so I think it is highly unlikely that this can be stopped. Sorry.

[Jasmine Green]

Oh, my goodness.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

It's all, it's all very bad.

[Jasmine Green]

Well, some of the comments are suggested that the BULL workers should flood whatever, whatever website they use for filing the claims. What if we just inundated with like absolute garbage. Will that maybe slow things down a bit?

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

So I, I saw that and I admire the passion, admire the spirit. I love it. I do not think that's how this is really going to work. I don't think this is going to be like an open casting call for class action lawsuits where, you know, like, did you, did you eat asbestos in the 1970s near the camp Leun? If so, call us. Right, right. I don't think that's how this is going to work. I, I suspect that in order to actually get your claim noticed, you will have to know somebody who knows somebody. And my guess is that the way these things work is that there will be various finders fees and that everybody who is associated with anybody getting paid is going to get their beak wet because that's how this stuff works. So I, I think these things are all going to be pretty personally directed. And I would be surprised if there is a legit just clearinghouse where anybody can walk in the front door and say, hi, I, Cletus Smith, was personally harmed in a material fashion by Joe Biden. Sleepy Joe Biden's Lawfare. I don't think that's how it's going to work. If it did, then you could do that. Like, people did this during the Doge stuff, right. And there were Doge tip lines set up, and resourceful citizens just sort of flooded them with fake tips to make it hard for them to disambiguate the genuine from the fake. Like, I don't think that this is how this is going to go.

[Jasmine Green]

Oh, it's so unfortunate.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Jasmine Green]

Even more unfortunate that I can't get a slice of this pie. Not to be greedy, but wow.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Sorry. I know.

[Jasmine Green]

$8 billion.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Jasmine Green]

Okay. The next question is from Kim z. Who asks one, do you think AI will be one of the main topics come 2028? And two, do you think it makes sense to have a bulwark content expert on AI?

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Great questions, both of them. I think AI will be an issue. Whether it will be an issue that people vote on, probably not. Although you never know. I mean, data centers may be an issue that people vote on. If so, that is more likely to be at the state and local levels, though, where people can actually stop them getting built. I understand that Bernie Sanders is trying to create a national moratorium on the building of data centers. I understand that. But again, I just find it hard to believe that that's going to influence a lot of votes. It is possible. If there's an Enormous disruption. And you see what some of the doomsies are saying, you know, 25% of all white collar workers laid off within 10 years or something, then maybe AI could wind up being a big ticket political issue. I think it's unlikely. I think AI will be one of these incredibly important issues that has reasonably low political salience in terms of actual, you know, it'll be something everybody mentions as part of their grievance, but in terms of actual policies that get passed, you know, things to be done about it. I think probably not. Should we have somebody dedicated to AI? We have talked about this. We have talked about having somebody dedicated to tech stuff. I think it fits clearly within our mission. There are a couple people out there who I read all the time who I would love to absorb and who I just. I think their stuff is great and is a natural fit for us. The problem is I don't know how much real interest there is in, in a broad way. So, like, I'm super interested in this. Kim. Is it Kim who put this question in?

[Jasmine Green]

Yes.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, Kim is super interested in this. There are dozens of us, but when I write about tech and here's the thing, I see all the data on how the things we, we publish perform and I know that when we write about tech, foreign policy or business stuff, it, it just doesn't do as well as straight politics. And so, you know, you have to make sure that it's kind of thing that will be economically sustainable for us because everything we do is, is based around sustainability. So I don't know. But if Molly White wanted to come over to the Bulwark, I mean, I wouldn't care. I just said, let's do it, Molly, because I think she's amazing. And there are, there are like two other people in that space who I think are fantastic.

[Jasmine Green]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah. Would you want to do this? Like long term? Is it. Are you interested in this? You just spent 30 minutes trying to get your camera set up. So maybe not the most tech savvy of the people, but is then, I don't know, like, do you like reading about this stuff or do you just sort of glaze over and be like,

[Jasmine Green]

no, I definitely don't glaze over. I'm very passionate about the detriment that I will have on human capacity to flourish and think independently.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Good on you.

[Jasmine Green]

I am like, it actually keeps me awake and I was thinking about this genuinely last night, going to sleep. I was so stressed about it. I don't know, I feel like a lot of Things that are written about AI are trying to in some way advertise it or look at the bright side or encourage people to use it. And I am a Luddite when it comes to most things, but especially AI. And I kiss. I just can't stomach it. I just don't think there's. I think there's very, very, very few upsides to AI. And I think the downside is, like, it's tremendous and that it is actually rotting our brains.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

All right, so what are your.

[Jasmine Green]

Your. Oh, jbl.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

So here, okay, give me your, your worst case scenario. Your like median scenario. And then you're like, okay, not great, but like, we can live with this scenario for AI. What, what do those three things look like in. In your mind as you, as you look at what AI presents to us as. As possible futures?

[Jasmine Green]

My. I'll start with worst case. My worst case scenario is that children will be in school and relying so much on AI that they are genuinely unable to have original thoughts for themselves. And this worries me a lot, which is already. Which is already happening. Already happening. My dad works in public schools. My sister works in public schools. My best friend works in public schools. And I talk to them all the time and they tell me they're so frustrated and concerned about their. The school age children who genuinely cannot answer basic questions. Like, basic questions like, what is the first month of the year? I'm not sure. Let me ask AI, like, stuff like that. So that's my worst case scenario. The median case scenario is that hopefully there will be some kind of legislation passed that like, severely restricts AI like age restrictions for AI the same way that some states are trying to do for social media so that only people 18 plus have like free reins to AI. I do not think children should have access to AI. And then the, the lukewarm scenario I think you said, or like the one that's like meh, is that the AI bubble burst and everyone realizes one. The AI bubble bursts. Like economics wise and like these companies are just no longer able to like sell it. Because that's connected to the second thing, which I hope that people become so deeply frustrated with AI that they will actually like boycott it. There was a college graduation ceremony recently. I'm forgetting where I saw this. Did you see this? And the. And the speaker was like, you all love AI. AI is great. And they booed him. They booed him to hell. That, that gives me so much hope. That is actually my bit of hopium for today. Yeah, that made me feel so good inside. Yes, Boo AI. Until no one ever wants to use it ever again.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, I mean these things can't. You are too young to remember Google Glass.

[Jasmine Green]

No, I'm not sure what that is.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

So. So there was a moment when Google made the first wearable mass produced wearable and they were glasses with like a camera in them that talked to the Internet and it was like meta. Right. But this was early and there was a lot of like, hey, this is the future, no way to stop it. And the answer was like people just hated it. And so like all over San Francisco there were bars that outlaw like just said, if you have these things on your face, we're gonna throw you out. We won't tolerate this. And I would like it if certain sectors took similar lines towards AI. It's not inevitable.

[Jasmine Green]

I totally agree.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

It might be inevitable. We'll see.

[Jasmine Green]

Everyone revolt. AI, please join me. Please.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay, good. I like fired up Jasmine.

[Jasmine Green]

There's some things that truly just like, they make me so mad and AI is one of them. The next question comes from Eric. If Democrats win the Senate, I expect Republicans will claim fraud and use every lever they have to prevent seating enough Democrats to keep control. How can Democrats stop this?

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

A unlikely. The Democrats are going to win the Senate. I think that's a very, very heavy lift. It's not impossible, but it's probably like a 1 in 10 scenario, maybe a 1 in 8. I would be more, I am more concerned about Republicans trying to prevent the seating of House members. So one of the things I, I am worried about is if Democrats have like a three seat House majority, could Republicans decide they're going to launch a lawsuit saying, hey, these majority minority districts, they're unconstitutional. And this state over here, pick your state, has one of them. And so that person should not be able to be seated because they were elected to an unconstitutional district. So I think that is one of the things that we're likely to see. And I, I do worry more about the, the House than the Senate and this score. The, the size of the majority matters. If what Democrats are looking at is like a +12 majority or something like that, it becomes much harder. If it's a narrow majority, if it's plus five, I don't know. So I mean all of the turnout stuff really will matter and all of the marginal, those marginal seats will play a big determining factor in whether or not Republicans feel like the juice is worth the squeeze.

[Jasmine Green]

So we're bringing it back down. That's okay.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Sorry.

[Jasmine Green]

It's all right. It happens. Our next question is From Becky G. Who asks, my friend's MAGA husband is more upset about shoplifting at target than a $1.7 billion slush fund to be handed out to convicted criminals. Is it possible to change the narrative of blue crime? Collar is bad, which is concrete, and white collar crime is so what? Which is more abstract and often complicated.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, I really struggle with this because I find it hard to see this through the lens of anything other than racism. And this is like a new thing for me. I mean, new within the last decade of my life. Um, whereas I previously, I could, I could sit and say, well, you gotta understand, like, there's violent crime, then there's nonviolent crime. There is the type of crime you can see with your own eyes because it's happening in your neighborhood, which leads to feelings of lawlessness and safety versus the abstracted crime of this thing that's happening on Wall street, you know, which you never actually see. I, I actually don't believe any of that stuff. I think it's basically all racism anyways. And I'm sure that's too reductive. I'm sure it's not all racism. I'm sure these things are complicated. But also it's mostly racism, right? I mean, the concerns about crimes are, are all about, well, are the people who are doing it the people I hate already? Because if so, then I'm very concerned about crime. And if the, the people doing it are people who I like, well, then I am not bothered by it. It's all like in group out, group stuff. And none of it is actually based in principle. All right, let me ask you a question. We're going to start doing this. I'm going to start mixing it up. Okay, so we talked last time we did this, but how you have really come of age during Trump, you don't really know. A world of normal minus Trump, where American politics was not involved in a conversation about, huh, should we have a democracy or not? But this is the thing which was most of my life, which was, you know, we had all this very robust and energetic politics, and it was about stuff like how do we achieve greater healthcare coverage, what should regulation for businesses be? Like, how should educational standards be determined? And how should schools be funded? These are the types of fights we used to have. If let's just pretend that we, some point in the future, wind up in an America that is kind of normal. Again, I don't think that's going to happen, but we're pretending we're doing make believe. Jasmine. What sort of issues would you be really interested in? Like, if we lived in a normal America where you didn't have to have fights about, huh? The government is stealing almost $2 billion in order to give it to people who attempted to overthrow an election, or the president is threatening genocide. If we lived like a normal, ish America, again, what subjects and policy conversations would interest you and would you just love to sink your teeth into?

[Jasmine Green]

I think this is a really hard question to answer because you never lived there, right? Right. This is like trying to get me to imagine a different universe, which is a creative exercise. But if we lived in some normal America, I mean, the things that I'm most passionate about are education, racial justice and prison reform. These are just my personal interests. Education, especially now because of AI. Like I said earlier, I'm just very concerned that children are not being cared for when they're in school, that children are being given up on. I'm very concerned that, like, teachers and states and school boards have truly given up on American school children. And I think there is nothing more terrifying than the idea that kids are going to school and learning next to nothing or being pushed through grades and, like, they are struggling with reading or they're being told, hey, AI is going to solve all this for you. Like, it'll do everything that you. You were supposed to learn. Education is power is one of those platitudes that is just very, very true. And education transformed my life. Like, truly, I would not be anywhere where I am today if I didn't. If one, I didn't have my parents who really encouraged me to read and to try my best in school, and if I didn't have teachers who pushed me and saw my value and saw my potential. And I'm very worried that this is a really multifaceted issue, But I'm very worried this is no longer happening in schools. So that's the first thing.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

If you were queen for a day. I'm sorry, I'm gonna make you expand on this. If you were queen for a day and you could. You could pass one educational reform, like, what would. What would be the most important reform you would. You would do?

[Jasmine Green]

Oh, I think I would make it mandatory for schools to have more tutors and more assistant teachers. I think it is so difficult to be one teacher to manage a classroom of 30 students and bear the responsibility of having. And you have no other help of all 30 of our students, sometimes more than 30 students, to pass your class. It is. I cannot. Like I said, I have a lot of people in My life, I'm close to who are teachers and I have so much respect for them because it is so hard to manage 38 year olds. And it's a lot easier if your school has after school has funding for after school tutoring or if your school has funding for every five students there's one assistant teacher. And I was very lucky that in my high school we had, you know, we had a whole day that was literally tutoring. It was called Colloquium.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, that's really cool.

[Jasmine Green]

It was Lindblum Math and Science Academy in Chicago. Illinois is one of the most interesting schools in the country for a lot of reasons. And one of them is that on Wednesdays we would literally have a day that was just tutoring where you would go to your teachers and it wasn't graded and you would get help on the things that you learned throughout the week.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

That's so cool.

[Jasmine Green]

Lindblum was one of the top performing schools in the state of Illinois and also in Chicago. And I really think that is why. So I would honestly make every school have colloquium.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

That's really cool.

[Jasmine Green]

What does your dad teach?

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

You said it was your dad who teaches your dad.

[Jasmine Green]

My dad is. Yes. My dad is a counselor for students with special needs. So he doesn't teach. It's more like he manages. And then my sister is substitute teacher and my best friend is an art teacher. And they are all saints who are doing the Lord's work.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

That's awesome.

[Jasmine Green]

So this next question comes from Don G. Who asks, what do you think about Sarah Longwell running for Democratic. The Democratic Senate nomination in Pennsylvania for 2028. Sarah.

[JVL (Host/Interviewer)]

All right, I'm going to give you my hot take on Sarah, but on the other side. So if you're listening to this or reading this or watching it and you haven't joined Bulwark, come on, come hang with me and Jasmine. Hear all the things I have to say about my best friend forever, Sarah Longwell.

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