Sam Stein (3:05)

Yeah, there's a lot of things to unpack here. First of all, it's incredible that she was released, but it does raise the question, like, is this what it takes? Right. I mean, how many people who are still in detention in maybe not the same circumstances as potentially having breast cancer, but in some serious medical circumstances are lingering and waiting for attention just so they can get released? You know, your piece does delve into this, but I think it's worth sort of underscoring. Just what do we know about the actual number of people who are incarcerated or detained in Dilly and the conditions of people there and why there are so many children there?

Adrian Carrasquillo (3:38)

Yeah, and I think that ProPublica wrote about this, which was basically that there was 3,500 detainees who've gone through that facility since it was reopened, and that over 300 have been there longer than a month. This is, there's this settlement that goes back to the 90s, it's called the Florida Settlement, that says you're only allowed to have children in detention for 20 days. But when you hear over 30 days or over a month, like, I think it's easy for our mind to say, like, oh, because so they've been in there a month. I mean, I spoke to a former employee who said that he knows a woman who's been there 130 days with her daughter, who's 11 years old, who doesn't want to eat anymore. So there's kids in there. And of course this gets back to like one of the original sins, right? One of the original lies, which is like, these people are not all criminals as we've seen over the last year. And so what you have is people who are in there with their kids, sometimes with their spouse. And this has been getting a lot of attention. Liam Ramos sort of like shot this into the stratosphere. But there was a protest from these, these parents and these kids basically saying like, release the kids, like let these kids out of here. So it's really remarkable what's going on. It's horrible. This administration is doing this and these individual stories have been getting more and more attention.

Sam Stein (4:46)

Let's talk about Mariella's story. She, like you wrote, she initially had gone to get a biopsy and she had told her sister in law, hey, I, I'm going to be doing this. I'm gonna give you a call when it's all over. She said It'd probably be two hours she was with her three children, 2, 8 and 11. And then she calls and she says, we've been detained. Don't wait for us.

Adrian Carrasquillo (5:15)

Yeah.

Sam Stein (5:16)

How many days had she been in Dilly?

Adrian Carrasquillo (5:20)

So since December, so over, over a month she was in there. And, and I think it's just remarkable, right where it's like in December she's in the hospital for a few days and they're doing these tests and from at least the way that Mariela is taking it and the way her family is taking it, like they're worried she has breast cancer. And they, these, these, these conclusive tests were going to be done like in the new year. But then she's like, I have a court date, so I'll go after my court date. So now she's in Dilly, not greedy, not getting her medication, not getting good care. The kids obviously are scared, don't want to be in there. Her sister in law told me, like her two year old son doesn't know where he is. You know, he's becoming aggressive, he's scared. So it's just a mess of what was going on.

Sam Stein (6:01)

She, while in Dilly, is complaining about pain in her breasts. She needs medical care. From your understanding, was she getting any medical care?

Adrian Carrasquillo (6:11)

I think it was that she was given prescribed medication that she wasn't getting. And so what she was saying was that if the nurse is there, they give her the medication. Medication, but if the nurse is not there, she doesn't get medication. And this is where also, I mean, Crockett's office in Carmen Ayala. Like there was a lot of credit here. I mean, I think that this woman Mariela was saying that she, her breast hurt, it was like hard as a rock, that it was turning red. I mean really just alarming and horrifying stuff to think about. These people who are in detention, who are not criminals, who are dealing with this.

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Sam Stein (7:54)

How did Marielle get on the the radar of Crockett's office? Do we know?

Adrian Carrasquillo (7:59)

Yeah, so, and that's a great question because what happened was when Joaquin Castro went and we wrote about him to go visit Liam Ramos, this, this visit was planned ahead of time, before Liam even got taken. And Jasmine Crockett was part of that original trip. So you know, they're in there and all of this attention is being brought to like the Liam Ramos situation. For obvious reasons, it sort of captured the nation's. But while Crockett's in there, Ayala is the only bilingual staffer in there who is speaking in Spanish. And other detainees are hearing her speaking in Spanish and kind of like circling and wanting to tell their stories. And I think to her credit, she was like grabbing people's contact information and just like following up and I've been following up with her just trying to understand which stories, what's going on. Some stories are fast moving. There was a baby in there who you know, has already been been released. But then like this baby was sick and had respiratory failure and was brought back into detention before being released. Just insane stuff going on. But like, I'm curious about those stories that are not being told and obviously this was one of them. And literally as this is what happens, this administration, as soon as we shine a light on certain stories that they know are disaster for them, then things happen. Right.

Sam Stein (9:04)

Well, that's the, that gets my next question, which is some, it's, it's like kind of a secondary debate, but it clearly matters about whether members of Congress are able to access these facilities. And it's been an ongoing struggle where members show up, sometimes they're let in, they have a, they have a legal right to go in, sometimes they're rebuffed. And now it's another element of it is now that DHS funding has lapsed because of the shutdown, the Department of Homeland Security is saying, well, because our funding is lapsed, we no longer have to let these members of Congress visit these facilities unannounced, which they are legally. Right. Allowed to do. I'm not sure how the funding lapse changes the actual law, but that's what the administration's arguing. So I mean, maybe sort of underscore for us, Adrian, just how critical these drop by visits have been and how big a deal it is that they apparently are not going to be happening for the foreseeable future.

Adrian Carrasquillo (9:55)

Yeah, I mean last year there was a lot of attention brought to some of those. The, this administration stopping some of those drop by visits and now they've created this rule that's like you have to give a week notice and then like I think an additional 48 hour notice. If you want to meet with like certain people, if you want to let certain detainees allow them to meet with you, they do this thing where they're like the detainee has to sign that they want to meet. Well, if it's a child, how are they advocating for themselves? So like that I remember really pissed off Joaquin Castro. But just being able to get into these facilities to see and look, they try to cover up, they try to have certain people, they try to have like pregnant women not around maybe, but like as these, obviously these representatives of our government and of constituents are in these places are then able to advocate for these people that are dealing. They're in horrible situations. And I mean the former employee that I spoke to when he took that job was like, I don't politically agree with ICE or with Trump and he thought he could help people, but he Thought there were only women in there. And then he sort of shocked to find out that there's children, there's entire families in there, there's newborn babies because these pregnant women give birth. There's newborn babies in there. And so like, this is what I think is like one of the, like the front lines of what's going on right now.

Sam Stein (11:06)

Well, it's, I guess it gets to the point which is that we can, to a degree, we're able to see what's happening in the cities. Well, not to agree to a large degree.

Adrian Carrasquillo (11:12)

Right.

Sam Stein (11:13)

Because when you have these raids, when you have, you know, these detention, these dragnets operations, there's people with cameras who are going around and filming more or less, not, not always. What we don't get to see is what's happening in the detention facilities. And that is like the big black hole around the reporting here. We've had like snippets here and there, but where really we're just getting our, much of the information secondhand. In this case, you actually did actually talk to someone who worked there. But I mean, we, the, the extent of what we don't know is what's shocking to me and what we're going to find out eventually because these people won't just stay there for, you know, aren't just going to be detained forever.

Adrian Carrasquillo (11:50)

Yeah. And I think it's just this, this window into this. We already know these policies are not popular as Americans come to understand what mass deportation is like. That's what the last year has been. But now we're seeing what this really looks like. Right. And so you can imagine how they thought that this Liam Ramos really work for them. All they did was bring more attention to what was happening to these children in Texas. And now we see what's happening as.

Sam Stein (12:14)

How many more Leon Rameses do you think there are out there?

Adrian Carrasquillo (12:16)

Yeah, 100%. I mean, there's, there's all these kids in Dilly and in these other facilities. So, but, but you know, that one in particular which has like families and you know, was closed under Biden, then reopened now under Trump.

Sam Stein (12:27)

Why do you think, you know, you, because you've written so much about this, but in Trump 1.0 is the family separation policy. That, that really was jarring for a lot of people. And you got to see, you know, images of families being separated, kids in cages, things like that, which really shocked the conscious. Why do you think they didn't or why do you think they took the lesson from that to do more or, or maybe I Guess the lesson is try to just not let the media see it. I don't know what you think the, how they, how they reacted to Trump won't know, but it is kind of remarkable to me that they have decided we're just going to up the ante.

Adrian Carrasquillo (13:04)

Yeah. I think that they tried to like hide it for a while and rewrite. That's what happened in there in the first term. That when we started getting cameras in there and seeing like the squalor and like the really bad conditions that people were in. And now as these members of Congress and as people are getting in there and seeing, I mean there was the lawyer who went in there and then that's when the protest was happening. So as, as we get to see that people are then confronted with actually what it means when we're taking people from communities and shipping them 1200 miles to Texas. Right.

Sam Stein (13:31)

It's crazy. All right. Any other. Anything we know finally on, on what the next steps are here for Mariella. I mean, we know as of now, I just want to say we, we've been told that she has been released from Dilly. But like do we know where she is, what's going to happen, what the next steps here are?

Adrian Carrasquillo (13:49)

So there should. They moved up a court date for her to March 8. What her sister in law told me is the whole family's with her at home. In her home. You know, on the one hand, like the kids got to go to the supermarket and they got plantains and they ate and they fell asleep and they were very happy to be able to eat some, some food that they liked. At the, on the other hand, Mariela has like, is like having panic attacks and she has tremendous anxiety around that something's gonna happen to her family, that this court date could go badly and that she has breast cancer. So from what my understanding is that they're, you know, she's gonna get checked out and, and that I believe Crockett's office is trying to help with that. So that's where, where it is now. Right. That even as there's this amazing moment where they came out and they got to see the s. Pride in each other's arms, now we get to the next part which is like this isn't over for them.

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Sam Stein (14:39)

I just want to emphasize to people, Marielle is 31. She has three kids, 2, 8 and 11. She could very well have breast cancer. And she spent the last month and a half, maybe two in a detention facility getting absolutely minimal care. And now she's got a case looming about her immigration status in a month. This is not an ideal situation, even if it has improved.

Adrian Carrasquillo (15:03)

Yeah.

Sam Stein (15:04)

Over the last couple days.

Adrian Carrasquillo (15:05)

So they were. They were living in. In Round Rock, Texas. Right. I mean, this is. This is where we get at what is actually. What is mass deportation. When it gets out of these huge numbers and it becomes like we're zeroing on these people and on this family and on what they're dealing with and. And this road ahead that she has, it's going to be very difficult, but at least for today, like this really nice news that we got of their release.

Sam Stein (15:26)

Yeah. And credit to you, agent, for putting a light on this. I mean, it shouldn't have to come to this, but it's great that your dog reporting on this produced least. At least a nice result.

Adrian Carrasquillo (15:35)

For.

Sam Stein (15:35)

For the time being, we'll stay on the case. Everyone should be subscribing to Adrian's newsletter, Huddle Masses, and to the Bulwark itself, which has got great journalism, Crossboard, and to our YouTube page where you get discussions like this. Adrian, I appreciate you, buddy. Really genuinely awesome reporting, and thank you for telling us the story.

Adrian Carrasquillo (15:52)

Appreciate it, Sam.

Sam Stein (15:53)

Take care, man.

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