BREAKING: Jimmy Kimmel Pulled OFF THE AIR!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bulwark Takes – "BREAKING: Jimmy Kimmel Pulled OFF THE AIR!"

Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Sam Stein (Managing Editor, The Bulwark), Tim Miller (The Bulwark)

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Overview

This emergency episode of Bulwark Takes addresses the abrupt removal of late-night host Jimmy Kimmel from the airwaves, reportedly at the urging of government officials and through coordinated pressure on Disney and ABC's affiliates. Sam Stein and Tim Miller break down the facts, discuss the implications for free speech and media independence, and respond to political reactions and online discourse. The tone is grave, sardonic, and urgent.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Breaking News: Kimmel's Removal and Its Origins

[01:29]

• Announcement: Sam Stein opens with the headline—Jimmy Kimmel has been suspended indefinitely from his late-night show on ABC, likely spelling the end of the program.
• Background: What began as a campaign by FCC Chair Brendan Carr, pressuring broadcasters, escalated into Nexstar (a major local license holder) and then Disney removing Kimmel after a joke about Charlie Kirk’s death.

Quote:

"And we are in a situation now where basically one of the more prominent late night hosts and entertainers and comedians in the country has been, I mean, taken off the air. It's just, it is what it is." —Sam Stein [01:15]

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2. What Did Kimmel Actually Say?

[03:39], [03:59], [04:44]

• The Joke: The hosts play the clip that triggered the controversy. Kimmel joked about MAGA's response to Charlie Kirk's killer, and satirized political finger-pointing and President Trump's reaction to Kirk’s death.
• Context: The joke was delivered before all facts about the perpetrator's motives were released, raising the question of context versus intent.

Quote:

"This is not how an adult grieves the murderer of someone he called a friend. This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish." —Jimmy Kimmel's aired monologue [04:44]

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3. Parsing the Controversy: Fact, Joke, or Pretext?

[05:00–07:27]

• Accuracy vs. Outrage: The panel clarifies new facts: the killer was likely motivated by anti-trans rhetoric, not MAGA allegiance, making Kimmel's joke potentially imprecise.
• But— both hosts argue the essence of Kimmel’s bit was to satirize political exploitation, not to misinform or cheer violence.

Quote:

"This is a joke. But kind of the joke is... about how MAGA is out there being super desperate to, you know, try to use this to their political advantage." —Tim Miller [05:50]

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4. The Real Issue: Government Pressure on Speech

[02:48],[03:00], [12:05–13:17]

• Bulwark’s Stance: Both hosts hammer the fundamental problem: Federal officials (Carr and Trump) explicitly pressured broadcasters toward punitive action—in their view, a grave threat to free expression and a dangerous precedent in American media.
• The "Path": Brendan Carr, FCC chair, mapped out—on Benny Johnson’s show—step by step how Kimmel would be removed, which then unfolded exactly as described.

Quotes:

"In this case, what matters is the fact that... the federal government threatened and pressured private companies to silence someone's speech. And they did." —Tim Miller [02:48]
"I mean, we have the video, so let's play the video of [Brendan Carr] on Benny Johnson." —Sam Stein [11:07]

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5. Pretext, Hypocrisy, and American Soft Authoritarianism

[09:43–13:17]

• Pretextual Justification: The hosts lampoon how "accuracy", "offensive content", or "misinformation" are used as rationales—but deem these to be smokescreens for raw political retribution.
• Trump's Role: Trump had publicly targeted Kimmel and Colbert for months; the FCC and local affiliates acted in alignment.

Quote:

"It happened in three hours. Like Brendan Carr said this, Nextar pulled it... and then Disney, you know, basically folded him." —Tim Miller [12:48]

Quote:

"They're not shamable by pointing at the hypocrisy. And in fact, it's much worse because... it's the sanctioned campaign targeting giant corporations by the president and his henchmen at the fcc." —Sam Stein [16:45]

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6. Dissecting Conservative Defenses

[14:13–16:22]

• Conservative Justifications: Many right-leaning voices argue this isn’t a free speech issue, but one of factual accuracy or broadcast standards.
• Bulwark Pushback: The hosts point out these same critics would be outraged if a Biden FCC removed right-wing hosts for lies about the 2020 election.

Quote:

"If Joe Biden's FCC had kicked everybody off the air who had said that Donald Trump won the 2020 election when he lost it, fox wouldn't have enough bodies to go on TV..." —Tim Miller [14:36]

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7. Broader Implications & Closing Thoughts

[16:22–17:17], [18:31–19:54]

• Normalization of Retaliatory Silencing: There is no “limiting principle”—only power politics, say the hosts. They view the episode as movement towards a more authoritarian media landscape.
• Media Independence: The Bulwark pitches itself as a rare outlet with true editorial independence remaining.

Quote:

"That's what soft fascism is like. They want to inflict that. That punishment on out groups and on foes. And they're doing it right now... It's, it's straight out of an authoritarian playbook." —Tim Miller [17:26–18:31]

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8. Closing Banter & Predictions

[20:05]

• Future of the Slot: The hosts jokingly speculate Disney will either "shut it down" or, as a joke, replace Kimmel with Mike Lindell.

Quote:

"Who replaces Kimmel? My, my polymarket bet is on Mike Lindell. I got long shot odds." —Sam Stein [20:05]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The facts kind of don't matter... speech was silenced by threats from the government. And in that construct, like, if you're a person that believes in free speech, like we do here at the Bulwark, like, you are against that, even if the speech was wrong or noxious or whatever.” —Tim Miller [02:30]
• “If he was irresponsible, this would still be bad. But he wasn't right. He was responsible. And he told the joke that was like a little kind of borderline, like, that's. That's it.” —Tim Miller [09:24]
• "It's about power politics all the way down. And that's really what this is." —Tim Miller, referencing JVL's newsletter [15:53]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:29] – Breaking news and summary of how Kimmel was taken off air.
• [03:59] – Kimmel's offending joke played and analyzed.
• [04:44] – Satirical monologue on public reaction and presidential response.
• [05:50] – Debate over the factual basis and intent of Kimmel’s joke.
• [11:07] – Brendan Carr's interview outlining the process that was immediately followed by broadcasters.
• [13:17] – Online conservative reaction dissected and critiqued.
• [17:17] – Broader threat to free speech and normalization of government pressure.
• [20:05] – Final predictions on the fate of the time slot (with comic relief).

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Tone and Style Notes

The conversation is urgent, reflective, and at times laced with dark humor. The hosts speak in a conversational, sometimes sardonic tone, but their concern over threats to free speech and press independence is palpable. Their language alternates between analytic and exasperated, frequently lampooning the hypocrisy and rationale of those justifying Kimmel’s removal.

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Conclusion

This episode of Bulwark Takes frames Kimmel’s ouster as a dangerous moment for American media and free speech, arguing that the cause and justification were pretextual and rooted in government pressure, rather than journalistic standards or factual errors. The hosts highlight the systemic consequence for media independence and connect the episode to broader political trends, warning listeners about escalating soft authoritarianism.

Transcript

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[C]

Hey guys.

[A]

Me.

[C]

Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bulwark. I'm here with my bud, Tim Miller. Breaking news tonight that we want to respond to. Jimmy Kimmel, late night host on abc is being taken off the air for the foreseeable future. No end date in sight. I mean if we're being real, it's probably the end of his show. What started as a campaign to get him in trouble from Bending Carr who is the chair of the fcc, turned into an actual reprimand. First from nexstar, which is a, you know, broadcast licensor, and then from Disney itself which pulled him off. And we are in a situation now where basically one of the more prominent late night hosts and entertainers and comedians in the country has been, I mean, taken off the air. It's just, it is what it is. And I've seen a lot of people online being like, well, you know, he did it because he said something factually inaccurate. And insensitive about. You're laughing about Charlie Kirk's death. And I saw the comment, and, yeah.

[A]

We can show the video, the comment. Let's get. I just want to say the biggest picture before we get in, because in this case, actually, this goes against the usual policy of the bulwark and bulk YouTube. In this case, the facts kind of don't matter. Like, the facts, like, we should get into about whether he was correct and.

[C]

Whether that was appropriate, but some here don't.

[A]

Yes, but in this case, what matters is the fact that, as you said, the federal government threatened and pressured private companies to silence someone's speech. And they did.

[C]

And they do. Like, so not just someone, a huge corporation, the Disney corporation was like, yeah, we don't want to deal with this shit. And so they did it.

[A]

And so they did. So, like, speech was silenced by threats from the government. And in that construct, like, if you're a person that believes in free speech, like we do here at the Bulwark, like, you are against that, even if the speech was wrong or noxious or whatever. So anyway, we can get into all the details, but I think that's like, that is the headline. Can I just say one more thing before we put the clip, because we do care about free speech here at the Bulwark because nobody's going to get fired. You should probably subscribe and tell your friends to subscribe to the book.

[C]

I was going to give the pitch later on, but yes, now more than ever, subscribe to the Bulwark People, where we don't deal with this. Okay. Anyways, let's play with. Let's play what Kimmel said, which started this whole hubbub, and you can decide for yourself if this was a fireable offense. Here it goes.

[B]

We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang, desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the President is taking this.

[A]

My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half?

[C]

Sir?

[A]

I think very good.

[B]

And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They've just started construction of the new.

[A]

Ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as.

[B]

You know, for about 150 years.

[A]

And it's going to be a beauty.

[B]

Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction, demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murderer of someone he called a friend. This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish.

[C]

All right, so look, if you read the text, he says that Maga Wright is trying to portray the Charlie Kirk assassin as anyone other than coming from Maga. We now know that Tyler Robinson was not a graper. Wasn't Maga likely, according to these text chains, was compelled to commit this heinous crime because he's in a romantic relationship with someone who's transitioning and found Charlie Kirk's anti trans rhetoric horrifying. It's awful. No one should defend it. And we should be honest about his apparent motivations. Kimmel got that wrong, but kind of did he? Well, there's, that's a good point. There's a way to think about it where he's just saying, yeah, they're trying to deflect whatever blame could be put on them.

[A]

Yeah, this is not. Look, and everybody, anybody who's been watching the channel knows that I've been very meticulous about this and do not broach or any sympathy for people that are out there trying to be like, well, I don't know, maybe this is a false flag and maybe it's the Jews and maybe it is Mag. It's pretty clear what this is. But this was two nights ago, this was Monday night, so the texts hadn't come out yet. And what he is saying here is that the Maga gang is desperately trying to characterize the kid as anything other than one of them. So anyway, so there's two things. One, it's a joke. It's in the construct of a joke. We're going to get to later. What Jimmy Kimmel gave a serious monologue about this. I want to get to in a second, like where he is being straightforward. But so this is a joke. But kind of the joke is, is about how MAGA is out there being super desperate to, you know, try to use this to their political advantage. And then he goes on to show a clip of Trump, you know, and so like that was kind of what was happening. It was.

[C]

No, no, it's not kind of. It was what was happening. If you and Will Summer was following this because we were trying to figure out how the MAGA movement was responding to this in real time. And it's factually true that people like Dick Fuentes, maybe not Maga But MAGA adjacent were like, we denounce violence. He's not one of us. They were moving expeditiously to try to distance themselves, themselves from the possibility that this guy could have been bred in their, you know, ideological corner. So it's not totally factually inaccurate. And I, and I should have said that up front. You mentioned that he did actually have a serious element to his monologue. Do you want to expand on that?

[A]

Yeah. So that was in the show right after the death. So this, the alleged, the alleged offense here, this joke that was monologue, you know, again, which is like, I think borderline on what you want to call it. Last week he did a monologue in the show right after Kirk's assassination.

[B]

More like the rest of the country. We're still trying to wrap our heads around the senseless murder of the popular podcaster and conservative activist Charlie Kirk yesterday, whose death has amplified our anger, our differences. And I've seen a lot of extraordinarily vile responses to this from both sides of the political spectrum. Some people are cheering this, which is something I won't ever understand. We had another school shooting yesterday in Colorado, the hundredth one of the year. And with all these terrible things happening, you would think that our president will at least make an attempt to bring us together, but he didn't. President Obama did. President Biden did. Presidents Bush and Clinton did.

[C]

President Trump.

[B]

President Trump did not. Instead, he blamed Democrats for their rhetoric.

[A]

I've seen a lot of extraordinarily vile responses to this from both sides of the political spectrum. Some people are cheering this, which is something I won't ever understand. We had another school shoot in Colorado yesterday, the 100th one of the year. With all these terrible things happening, you would think that the president would at least make an attempt to bring us together, but he did it so like that. You know, if the accusation. And again, as I said at the stop, he should not be removed from the air by threat from the government, even if he was chairing assassination or something. I don't know. I mean, Bill Mars, remember when he got kicked out of Politically Incorrect for saying, I forget what it was, but, you know, insensitive stuff. Founding a terrorist following a terrorist attack like that shouldn't happen in this country. And it definitely shouldn't happen because of government pressure. But like, that is not like Jimmy Kimmel was not one of these, you know, fire breathing leftists who were saying good, you know, who were cheering Kirk. He just wasn't. He did the opposite. He specifically condemned people cheering the attack. He specifically said he would. It's something that he doesn't understand how someone could do that. So, like, I mean, he was. Again, it's like, if he was irresponsible, this would still be bad. But he wasn't right. He was responsible. And he told the joke that was like a little kind of borderline, like, that's. That's it.

[C]

That's all, of course. But this. But as. I mean, we're sort of dancing around this because it's all pretextual. Right. It's like, Donald Trump hates Jimmy Kim.

[A]

The word of the week, kind of pretextual. Everyone loves saying pretextual now.

[C]

Makes you sound a little smart, I guess.

[A]

Yeah. And everything is pretextual. So it's accurate. It's just kind of the hot word of the. Of the week.

[C]

I will stop using it.

[A]

Sarah used like 12 times on the Next Level podcast today, and she was right every time. I'm just noticing that that word is in vogue.

[C]

All right, well, this is pretextual. Donald Trump hates Jimmy Kimmel. Donald Trump said sometime in, like, July or something that Jimmy Kimmel was next after what happened with Stephen Colbert.

[A]

Fallon has no talent.

[B]

Kimmel has no talent. They're next.

[A]

They're going to be going.

[B]

I hear they're going to be going.

[A]

I don't know. But I would imagine because they get.

[B]

You know, Colbert has better ratings than Kimmel or Fallon.

[C]

You know that Donald Trump has long tweeted or posted, you know, mocking and going after Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel really doesn't like Donald Trump. And the idea here that they had something to go on to get Jimmy Kimmel thrown off the air was obvious because Brendan Carr, who is the chair of the fcc, went on Benny Johnson's show and basically laid out the exact path for how this was going to transpire. He was. I mean, we have the video, so let's play the video of him on Benny Johnson.

[D]

You know, when you look at the conduct that has taken place by Jimmy Kimmel, it appears to be some of the sickest conduct possible. As you've indicated, there are, you know, avenues here for the fcc. So there are some ways in which I need to be a little bit careful because we could be called ultimately to be a judge on some of these claims that come up. But I don't think this is an isolated incident. I mean, obviously, there's calls for Kim will be fired. I think, you know, you could certainly see a path forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at. Disney needs to see some change here. But the individual license stations that are taking their content, it's time for them to step up and say this, you know, garbage, to the extent that that's what comes down the pipe in the future isn't something that we think serves the needs of our local communities. But, but this sort of status quo is obviously not, not acceptable where we are.

[A]

This is the part here, like to your point, about how they lay out the exact path.

[C]

It's the exact path. It is the exact path.

[A]

Yeah. He says, here's the quote. Disney needs to see some change here. But the individual license stations that are taking their content, it's time for them to step up and say this wink, wink garbage. And then that happened and then the stations. And so for people who don't get this, obviously, so ABC is the parent company and then you have these companies that own like the local ABCs in your local market. So Nexstar, which owns a bunch of these local stations, is shocking. Are you ready for this? Trying to merge with another big $6.2.

[C]

Billion deal with Tegna that they need approved by Donald Trump and Brendan Carr.

[A]

So these guys are out there, they want to merge, they want to make their company bigger. They need approval from the government. You have the fc, the person that is in charge of the approvals out there saying, hey guys, you shouldn't be accepting this. You shouldn't be platforming this wrong thinking, you know, by, by a comedian that is an enemy of the regime. And they just went out there and did I like, it happened in three hours. Like Brendan Carr said this Nextar pulled it, pulled it. And then Disney, you know, basically folded him. Yeah.

[C]

And then Brent and then you. The last part is, of course, Brendan Carr takes the victory lap by sending gifts of Michael Scott, you know, doing the Raise the roof. Raise the roof to Bren Stelter. And you know, and I know he's just doing it to provoke a response. He's like a big child. It's all fun for them. They love seeing people freak out. I'm sure they like watching the reaction online to this because they get a hard on over it. But it's just like, you know, these people, I would like to think know that they should be, they shouldn't be doing this, that this is, this is bad. And the other thing that pisses me off though is a lot of conservatives online who are just like trying to make some sort of like rationalization for why this is fine. Even Though they know that this is deeply, deeply problematic. Oh, well, Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he said defensive things and, you know, there's no obligation for anyone to, you know, air misinformation. We have to, like, clean our airways of this filth. It's like, off. Just.

[A]

I'll argue. This is great.

[C]

I wasn't going to say anything because.

[A]

I have whatever you liberals want to make this firing about, quote, unquote, free speech.

[C]

What else did he say?

[A]

Keep reading, because I'm going to keep reading in a second. But I just want to be like liberals. By the way, I thought we were all, for a while, we all lived in a liberal democracy. Yeah. People who believe in liberal ideals do believe in free speech. That's true. I don't know why free speech is in scarecrows. They don't make free speech because did it ever occur to them the issue might be accuracy? Yeah, it's false propaganda like this that's harming our country. It's just like what Ari Fischer, if the roles were reversed, if Joe Biden's FCC had kicked everybody off the air, who had said that Donald Trump won the 2020 election when he lost it, a fox wouldn't have enough bodies to go on TV to fill 24 hours anymore because basically every Donald Trump supporter advanced that lie. And two, I don't think that the conservatives would have been like, well, if you're inaccurate, free speech doesn't apply anymore. Okay? This is about accuracy, not free speech. So I. With the Biden fcc, like, the whole thing is. Sure. It's a. I'll say it.

[C]

I'll say it. Because. I'll say. Because I'm salty right now. With. With great respect to Bill Kristol and the other the bulwark who are there pre Iraq war, I don't need lectures from Ari Fleischer on accuracy. I just don't. I don't. I gotta be honest about that.

[A]

Oh, what are you implying? Well, you. You think that Ari Fleischer was lying on behalf of the Bush administration lines about that one. I think Ari was lying about the Bush administration. Interesting. What topic are you thinking? Do you have a topic in mind in particular?

[C]

They were, you know, something to do with weapons and mass destruction. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, it's just fucking. It's just such a joke. It's so offensive. It's just like. It's pathetic and it's transparent. It's all. JVL wrote about this. You know how he said, subscribe to the Bulwark if you want JVL's newsletter? Best newsletter in the business. You got to subscribe to Bulwark Plus. Go to the bulwark.com and subscribe. He literally wrote this week a newsletter that was like, it's all about. It's about power politics all the way down. And that's really what this is. This is that. This is the evidence of that there is no even conceit that they care about speech anymore. There's no.

[C]

There's no limiting principle.

[A]

Yeah, there's no limiting principle. And there's no even conceit that this is about some other broader ideal or law or rule that they.

[C]

The idea that you would shame them by saying, oh, well, weren't you guys, like, just warning about the death of comedy? And comedy's not legal, which is what Elon did.

[A]

The left wanted to make comedy illegal.

[B]

You know, you can't make fun of anything.

[A]

So there's like, comedy sucks. It's like, nothing's funny.

[B]

You can't make fun of anything.

[A]

It's like, legalize comedy.

[C]

And aren't you. Weren't you the ones who, like, were so worried about wokeness, like, going after people who said, like, hateful things and that people should be fine saying, like, they don't. They're not shamable by pointing at the hypocrisy. And in fact, it's much worse because at this point, it's not just the online mob who's, like, going after people. This is the sanctioned campaign targeting giant corporations by the president and his henchmen at the fcc. That's what this is. I mean, let's just be honest about it. So dark place I'm in.

[A]

Yeah, they don't. They don't care. And this is a good point. And it's like, it's kind of like it's frustrating to even bring up the hypocrisy because it's very clear, right?

[C]

Oh, you got me. You got me.

[A]

Yeah, look, that. It's like they were upset that it was their guys that were getting fired for tweeting racist stuff. Simple as that, Right? Like, that was it. That was what they're upset about. About cancel culture. That it was. It was fellow travelers as allies that were suffering consequences for their actions. And in this case, it's like they want to inflict that punishment on other people. That's what soft fascism is like. They want to inflict that. That punishment on out groups and on foes. And they're doing it right now. And like you said, it is extremely jarring because it's coming sanctioned from the government and not just from the fcc. I have a breaking news thing that I need to share with you, Sam. Additional breaking news since we've started taping. Donald Trump has issued a statement about the President of these United States. Great news for America. Jimmy Kimmel show is canceled. He goes on and on, etc. I don't even, I don't want to dignify the rest of that by reading it, but like, again, it's the President's team pressuring the company to fire somebody for unapproved speech. He gets fired, they're cheering. Is. It's, it's straight out of an authoritarian playbook.

[C]

Yeah. Let me just close. I, I want to close by saying we've, we've said twice to subscribe to book. Not in jest, although it might have come across as ingest. Let me just say, because I do mean this with all my, like, being that now more than ever, there's like very few publications that have the type of editorial independence and editorial mission that is needed in this moment to, to actually do the type of journalism that is required in this moment. And look, we're not abc, we're not Disney, we're not Jimmy Kimmel. I'm not saying we're there to replace what he's gonna no longer be able to provide, but it's important to support operations like ours because this is what we got, folks in the media. This is it. And so if you have the desire to support our mission, if you're interested in it, you could subscribe to our YouTube feed where this is going to be. But you can also subscribe to the bulwark.com subscribe. There's a whole number of membership plans there that you can choose from. We appreciate any, any support, we really do. Our, our work depends on people like you subscribing and paying for it. And we pledge to continue doing what we're doing with your help. So with that, buddy, thank you so much. Appreciate it. We're doing too many of these dark commentary, breaking news stories.

[A]

But I don't, I don't, I don't think it's going to change, so you might as well not lament it. I'm not expecting some breaking happy news reports next week, you know, coming around.

[C]

Who replaces Kimmel? My, my polymarket bet is on Mike Lindell. I got long shot odds.

[A]

I don't know if I'm Disney. I'm just shutting it down. Probably shut it down that saving the cash, putting on a reruns okay.

[C]

Talk to you later, buddy.