BREAKING: Trump Fires Pam Bondi

Summary

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Bulwark Takes – BREAKING: Trump Fires Pam Bondi

Podcast: Bulwark Takes
Date: April 2, 2026
Host: Sam Stein with Sarah Longwell, JVL, Will Sommer

Episode Overview

In a classic fast-moving news cycle moment, the Bulwark crew convenes for a rapid-response episode to discuss the shocking ouster of Attorney General Pam Bondi by President Trump. Everyone grapples with the reasons behind Bondi’s abrupt firing, what it means for Trump’s administration, and speculation over who could be next in the DOJ hot seat. They dissect media leaks, the Epstein files debacle, strategic distractions from foreign policy woes, and Bondi’s failed attempts to navigate MAGA world. The tone is spirited, sardonic, and thoughtful, blending giddy schadenfreude with an underlying worry about the implications of this power play.

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Key Topics & Takeaways

The Firing: What Happened and Why (00:15–03:12)

• Immediate Cause & Trump’s Statement:
  • Trump announced Bondi’s dismissal with a characteristically thinly-veiled statement: "We love Pam and she'll be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector." (00:24)
• Media Reports & Behind-the-Scenes:
  • Bondi was informed of her firing late the night before Trump’s Iran speech; she pleaded for more time but Trump was unwavering.
    • JVL paraphrases: “[She] begged like a dog. Not actually in the Daily Mail story. Sorry... the President told her she was fired and then an announcement would be made shortly.” (04:07)
• Timing as Disrespect:
  • The Daily Mail notes the firing at midday before Easter weekend signals “no greater disrespect” (“At least Kristi Noem got to go to her fake Shield of the Americas job. Pam is being kicked to the curb with not even really the pretense...” – JVL, 04:49)
• Original Sin—The Epstein Files:
  • Sarah Longwell attributes Bondi’s demise to her poor handling of the Epstein cover-up:

    “Pam Bondi... was an establishment sort of compromise pick. She never understood the MAGA lizard-brain... she got caught in this and it became this enormous albatross around their necks and Trump needed a sacrificial lamb on it.” (01:21)

Why Now? Distraction, Failure, and the MAGA Base (05:49–10:28)

• Distracting from Iran and Policy Failures:
  • The group suggests Bondi’s firing was a “chase the shiny object” moment to draw media attention away from troubling news abroad, especially the administration’s Iran crisis.
    • “My view is it's Iran. Things are going badly enough in Iran that he's like, I gotta make some news...let's fire Bondi. Maybe we'll fire Tulsi next, which is the rumor.” (08:58, JVL)
• Failure to Prosecute Trump’s Enemies:
  • Will Sommer points out that Bondi failed “over and over to get Trump's enemies indicted,” which frustrated Trump and his base. (06:05)
• No Constituency for Bondi:
  • Bondi lacked diehard supporters among the MAGA right, making her easy to dispose of as a “heat shield” on controversial topics like the Epstein files (11:29–12:10).

The Ritual of Trumpian Humiliation (13:17–15:16)

• Humiliation as a Warning to Others:
  • Sarah notes the public firing serves as a signal to others in the administration:

    “I think it is important, genuinely important, for democracy, for people in Trump's cabinet to see that Trump is still the guy who will hang you out to dry, destroy your reputation. You will never recover from it. You will be humiliated.” (14:17)

• Pattern Recognition:
  • The crew discusses how Trump’s aides repeatedly convince themselves they’ll be “the exception”—but they never are. (15:16)

Who’s Next – The Speculation Game (15:44–22:07)

• Potential Successors:
  • The group puts forward Lee Zeldin, Todd Blanche, and even Megan Kelly and Matt Gaetz as potential replacements—viewing the job as a poisoned chalice for all but the most zealous:

    "It would take a crazy person who thinks they can actually get Jim Comey indicted...to take the job." (21:09, JVL)

• Dangerous Ambitions:
  • Will observes that any even semi-serious person wouldn’t dare take the post, given Trump’s expectations for them to carry out far-fetched legal vendettas (21:09–21:43).

The Real Danger: DOJ as Election Arm (25:14–27:21)

• Election Interference:
  • JVL raises a red flag:

    “The next Attorney General's number one task will be election interference... somebody who is going to be able to use the Department of Justice to interfere in investigations or in elections.” (25:14)

• Fake Investigations & Internal Threats:
  • Will highlights ongoing Justice Department efforts at “fake investigations into the voter fraud,” tying it directly to upcoming midterm strategy (26:41–27:21).

Final Burns and Notable Moments (07:08–29:02)

• Mocking Bondi’s Stock Market Claims:
  • The team plays a clip of Bondi awkwardly boasting about record stock market levels (“The Dow right now is over...50,000,” (07:08)), using it as an example of her public blundering and “ritual humiliation.”
• Her Reprehensible Tenure:
  • Sam Stein adds a serious coda:

    “Her handling of Minnesota and ICE and Preddy was reprehensible...the perfect encapsulation of how wretched this experience was with her as A.G.” (23:12)

• Schadenfreude and Broader Lessons:
  • The Bulwark panel relishes Bondi’s humiliation, yet stresses that the larger point is Trump’s ruthless disregard for even his most loyal lieutenants and the dangerous implications for the rule of law.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Exchanges

• Sarah Longwell (01:21):
  • “Pam Bondi... never understood the MAGA lizard-brain... she got caught in this and it became this enormous albatross around their necks and Trump needed a sacrificial lamb on it.”
• JVL (04:49):
  • "At least Kristi Noem got to go to her fake Shield of the Americas job. Pam is being kicked to the curb with not even really the pretense..."
• Will Sommer (06:05):
  • “She had failed just over and over to get Trump’s enemies indicted—and I think clearly that’s something he really wants...”
• Sarah Longwell (14:17):
  • “It is important for democracy, for people in Trump’s cabinet to see that Trump is still the guy who will hang you out to dry, destroy your reputation. ...Pam Bondi deserves this. They all deserve it when it happens.”
• JVL (25:14):
  • “The next Attorney General's number one task will be election interference...somebody who is going to be able to use the Department of Justice to interfere in investigations or in elections...”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:15 – Opening and Trump’s statement on Bondi’s firing
• 01:21 – Sarah Longwell’s assessment: Epstein files as Bondi’s original sin
• 04:07 – JVL recaps leaked details of Bondi’s exit
• 06:05 – Will Sommer: Bondi’s failure to fulfill Trump’s vengeance agenda
• 07:08 – Bondi’s infamous stock market clip
• 08:58 – Iran and “fire the women” speculation
• 11:29 – Discussion on Bondi’s lack of a base and media heat shield theory
• 14:17 – Sarah: importance of public humiliation as a warning to others
• 15:44 – Who’s next for the Attorney General job?
• 21:09 – JVL: only a “crazy person” would take the job
• 25:14 – JVL: DOJ's next mission will be election interference
• 27:21 – Will Sommer: Ongoing fake investigations and internal threat discussion
• 28:12 – Humorous speculation about outlandish replacements
• 29:02 – Wrap-up and closing thoughts

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Summary Tone

The panel’s tone oscillates between gleeful takedown and sober alarm, mixing political black comedy with warnings about democratic backsliding:

• Schadenfreude: The hosts don’t hide their pleasure at Bondi’s public downfall.
• Sobriety: There’s a clear-eyed awareness of the patterns playing out within Trumpism and dangerous implications for democratic institutions.
• Irreverence: Offbeat successor suggestions (Nicki Minaj! Kanye West!) and jovial banter lighten the mood, despite the serious subject matter.

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Conclusion

This episode captures the Bulwark’s trademark blend of political wit, inside-baseball analysis, and civic warning. The Bondi story is more than just a firing—it’s a window into Trump’s enduring chaos, the hazards awaiting loyalists, and the undiminished risks to constitutional order as another news cycle turns.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hey everybody, it's me, Sam Stein, managing out at the Bork. I'm joined by a potpourri of personalities here. We got Sarah Longwell, jbl, Will Sommer, they don't need introductions, everyone knows them. And we are coming live because. Bam. Bondi Turner. General Pam Body is now former Attorney General Pam Bondi. Donald Trump has announced she is fired. Here is the bleat. You can read it with your own eyes. We love Pam and she'll be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector. She doesn't even get like the Shield of the Americas. That's rough. There's a lot of people who have thoughts, but since she is the publisher, I'm gonna go to Sarah first. Sarah, stop smiling.

[C]

Jbl. Jbl, what do we like? What do we like? Jbl.

[D]

When bad things happen to bad people. Give me a cigarette.

[C]

Listen, whoever replaces Pam Bondi is going to be terrible. But this is a. This is. But this is still a good day. This is still a good day and we shouldn't miss an opportunity to celebrate this. Now here's the thing. The Daily Mail has a great piece up. I don't want to preempt it, but, but I. And so somebody else can talk about it broadly. But, but part of what is in it is that Pam Bondi was fired last night. This is when she was informed last night before Trump gave that insane speech that said absolutely nothing about the Iran war. And she begged like one of the. The main things in, is that she asked for more time. And to me this is very interesting because I think that for Pam Bondi, the reason that this is happening is because of an original sin like this is a long time coming. Because Pam Bondi, who was, remember Matt Gaetz, was supposed to be Attorney General and Matt Gaetz would have never screwed this up the way that she did. Pam Bondi came out of the gate and said, files are on my desk. And then she gave all of the weird MAGA influencers these binders, right? And from then on she was screwed because she was in a position of having to put this stuff out for the base and because she was an establishment sort of compromise pick. She never understood the MAGA lizard lizard brain. She never understood that this was going to get away from her, that she wouldn't be able to just make those lies. They all think that they can just sort of lie and that people will let them do it. And it turns out she got caught in this and it became this enormous albatross around their necks and Trump needed a sacrificial lamb on it. And I just think it's funny though, Trump is not going to be able to admit that he fired her for botching the Epstein cover up because that would require admitting that there's been an Epstein cover up. But that is why she is being fired. Top line. My top line thought jbl.

[D]

I mean, I'll, I'll read from the

[B]

Daily Mail, okay, that it's so good. I just want people to appreciate part of the story. Makes no sense. Zero sense. Like, you look at it and you're just, what the fuck is this? But some of it is just so good.

[D]

Let me speak, Sam.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[D]

Trump informed the Attorney General. Should I read in a British.

[C]

Why are you British? Don't be British.

[D]

Because it's the Daily Mail.

[B]

Sarah. No, there's no.

[D]

Trump informed the Attorney General last night shortly before his Iran speech that she would soon be leaving the Justice Department, according to a senior administration source. Following the meeting, Bondi left Washington, D.C. on Thursday and flew back to her home. She remained at the White House for the remainder of Trump's speech. Bondi responded by pleading with the president, give her more time in the role. But Trump remained firm that her time leading the agency was over. The Daily Mail can exclusively reveal she was unhappy and tried to change his mind. The source said she begged like a dog. Not actually in the Daily Mail story. Sorry. However, the President told her she was fired and then an announcement would be made shortly. The announcement was set to be made on Friday, but was rushed on Thursday due to all the media attention. According to the source, the fact that Trump fired her at midday on a Thursday before Easter weekend instead of waiting to bury it is a sign there is no greater disrespect. At least Kristi Noem got to go to her fake Shield of the Americas job. Pam is being kicked to the curb with not even really the pretense of like, yeah, she'll get some super important needed private sector job probably.

[B]

And that was on a Thursday. And that wasn't even the weirdest part of the Daily story. I'll continue reading, please. Trump's reasoning for the sudden dismissal comes in part because the President believes Bondi tipped off Eric SWALWELL. About the FBI's efforts to release investigative documents related to his relationship with an alleged Chinese spy. She's intervening in these matters. The White House wasn't pleased she was intervening due to her personal friendship with Swalwell. The source added. It's unclear why Bondi would have intervened, but it is believed that Bondi and Swallow will have a friendly relationship. I'm calling such no way. No way. Will, what are the actual reasons that you think happened? And you need to make sure your microphone works and is not muted. That red button. There you go.

[E]

There we go. Yeah, I looked that up as well. The Daily Mail said, you know, his. Their famous friendship, you know, according to this Trump source, I thought, well, are they from the same state? You know, how do they know each other? And then, I mean, there's. There's no evidence of it. He's always ripping into her and, you know, vice versa. And so this just is so crazy, you know, Look, I think, you know, Sarah's. Sarah makes a good point here about the Epstein stuff. That really was kind of the moment that even the Trump base was like, well, wait a minute, if they're giving these fake files to Jack Posobec, what's going on here? But, you know, also there is this aspect, as I think Sam pointed out, that, you know, she had failed just over and over to get Trump's enemies indicted. And I think clearly that's something he really wants, you know, whether it's Jim Comey, I mean, some of these people got indicted but weren't prosecuted. People like Jim Comey, Leticia James, you know, all these Democrats who had said troops don't have to follow unlawful orders. So I think it's really, you know, I think the ominous side is, is that, you know, whoever's going to replace her is probably more willing and I think from Trump's eyes, more effective at doing that.

[B]

Well, the sandwich guy, too. She failed to indict the sandwich guy. Don't forget.

[C]

She couldn't even get the sandwich guy.

[D]

She couldn't believe.

[E]

These are giant heroes.

[D]

A ham sandwich.

[B]

Yeah, pretty much. Actually, I want to go pulled the

[D]

top of the stock market while under oath.

[B]

Let's play it. Let's play it. Because everyone's talking about the 5,50,000. Let's just play it. It's so, so beautiful.

[F]

The Dow. The Dow right now is over. The dow is over $50,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader, as I hear, Raskin, the dow is over 50,000 right now, the S P at almost 7,000 and the NASDAQ smashing records. Americans 401ks and retirement savings are booming.

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

I'm just gonna effort the Dow right now while you talk.

[B]

40. I was doing that.

[C]

Yeah. Anyone's looked at crude right now, but

[D]

what's it for the S And P? Crude 113, I believe. Brent crude 113, yes.

[C]

But also.

[D]

Also regardless of 107. Yeah.

[C]

Whatever the numbers are, it doesn't matter. They have nothing to do with the Epstein files. That was like, what. What was the point? She's like, just shouting that into the ether. Here's the thing, though. Let me ask you guys this. This is a genuine question. That performance was, to me, like, basically a performance Trump would kind of like from her. Right. She's, like, not letting them get anywhere on the EP files. Now, I do wonder. She was scheduled on April 14th to testify again. And I don't know if Trump thought, man, we can't have her testify again. If. If it was. You have. You've screwed up the Epstein stuff, and it is now relentless and we can't get out from under it. I don't know if it's failing to secure any indictments from his enemies. Like, she's just not going at them hard enough. I know the Swalwell thing's not it, but. But I do wonder why now on Bondi, what do we think it is?

[B]

That's a good point.

[D]

Well, I mean, my view is it's Iran. Things are going badly enough in Iran that he's like, I gotta make some news. I gotta control the news cycle. And so let's fire Bondi. Maybe we'll fire Tulsi next, which is the rumor. I would fire all the women.

[B]

100.

[D]

Fire all the women in my cabinet.

[B]

Doesn't that make you a little bit. I 100% agree with JBL. To me, this is just an absolute classic Trump chase the shiny object moment. And it almost makes you, like, get

[D]

Alito to resign so I can nominate somebody. Right.

[B]

It doesn't. I'm not uncomfortable talking about it because she is the Attorney General. It's huge news. She was a disaster in the post. And of course we're going to. And we'll get to this in a bit, figure out who's going to replace her. But there is a little bit of discomfort in talking about it because I know he wants us to talk about it. About it. You know, he wants us to talk about it. So I. It does seem like A classic chase.

[D]

I wrote 2, 000 words about Iran this morning. So it's okay.

[B]

People should read it. And as you know, they should.

[D]

Obviously got a great headline.

[B]

I will say so.

[C]

I do think so.

[D]

You know, last night, right before we hopped on.

[C]

Yeah. That was the first thing I said. I'm sorry. Of course I. Of course I will read it because I'm sure it was great. I will tell you, I was watching you guys last night. Jealous. I just. I wanted to come do what Tim did and jump on the. After that speech because I was beside myself about that speech. How utterly.

[D]

You can always come and jump on.

[C]

I know. I. It was fine. I was in my pajamas, but it. But it was, you know, it was so insane that I do wonder if they move. Maybe he informed her. They say in that Daily Mail piece that he decided to do it today because news leaked overnight. I would not be at all shocked if he was like, I got to change the news cycle from that speech. Like, specifically that speech. That's why it's got to happen right this second. Because that was. Except unless you're Mark Levin or, or stupid Rich Lowry being like, that speech was amazing. And you're willing, if you're willing to debase yourself. That's like. That's like watching Joe Biden have that health event on stage and saying. He said, best speech Joe Biden's ever given. He won that debate. Fate completely crushed it, like nobody did. Nobody said that. But that's where these guys are on that. Absolute catastrophe. Anyway, I think that's why this is happening right this second. But doesn't worry, we can, we can walk and chew gum, Sam. We can, we can talk about Bondi, we can celebrate it and then we can go back to Trump's manifest failures.

[B]

That's fine. Hey, will question for you. Back to the Epstein files a little bit. But, you know, there's no constituency for her, right? Like with Cash. He has some. He has some. Maybe he doesn't anymore, but the, you know, there's like some dead enders for him. Maybe some Hegseth dead enders. But like, there's no constituency for Bonnie. That might be why she's easy to just get rid of. Can't do this with rfk.

[D]

I think that was her challenge.

[E]

Was. I mean, she really wanted to be. I think she, she sensed correctly that she needed that base, that kind of like right wing media fanaticism. She needed to win over the Gateway Pundit and its audience. And that's what got her in trouble with the binders. I mean, reportedly she was just like, oh, they're at the White House, the bloggers at the White House, let's get the binders for them. And you know, they'll, they'll be impressed. They'll love Pam Bondi because I gave them this exclusive and it blew up in her face. I mean, she' in this tough spot where on one hand she's like awkward as we saw with the S and P thing. I mean, she's a woman. They don't like that a lot of the time. I mean, they, she's in this position where she's not like a true like MAGA media beast. But on the other hand, she's not like a, like a kind of like out of central casting guy like Todd Blanche who's like a very serious looking man who's going to get some of the President's dirty work done for him. So I think she was in a tough spot and she's going to caught between these worlds. The last thing I would add before we talk about who's next in her final weeks, I was struck by how she had really been sort of reduced to just sort of standing with Trump. You know, they went to Graceland and there's this great video that Andrew Egger pointed out that, you know, Trump is talking about how much cooler he is than Elvis and all this stuff. And then it pans out and Pam Bondi's just standing in the corner like she has nothing better to do. She went with him to the Supreme Court arguments for like an hour. I mean, what is the, you know, all of these things are still going on. Iran might try to do an attack on American soil. Nancy Guthrie still missing all these things and the head of the DOJ is just like, yeah, I guess I'll come and hang.

[C]

Wait, can I just say that this is actually, this is a really important point. In Trump's first term, he did this to people, he defenestrated them, he humiliated them. Part of what was happening in his second term though is it looked like he was going to stand by people in a different kind of way. Right. Especially someone like Bondi. I mean, I always was kind of skeptical he'd let Bondi go because she's such a, she's like a heat shield for him. Like the base doesn't really like her. So she can be this heat shield on, on the Epstein stuff and we

[D]

thought that she knew too much.

[C]

Well, or so I don't know about this, jv actually we should unpack this just slightly Because I was wondering about this too, which is, do you fire somebody if she knows, if she's like a huge liability? Like, don't you keep actually that person in the tent?

[B]

Because I think, where does she go? Where does she go in the private sector? Right? He's got plenty of private sector ventures, lot of crypto money. He's got that new presidential library. He can make it very lucrative if he wants.

[C]

He could, but he is humiliating her. And I actually, I think this is. This is what I'm. This is my point about what's important. I think for cash, I think for Tulsi, I think for a lot of these people who have been like, no, no, no, Trump's going to stand by me, this is a very rattling move for them. Because this is Trump now being like, no, I'm back to firing people by tweet. I'm ruining your careers, I'm ruining your reputations, I'm making you all of my baggage, and then I'm sending you away with it so I don't have to shoulder it myself. So I want to tell you I am happy. This is one of the reasons I'm happy. I think it is important, genuinely important, for democracy, for people in Trump's cabinet to see that Trump is still the guy who will hang you out to dry, destroy your reputation. You will never recover from it. You will be humiliated. Pam Bondi deserves this. They all deserve it when it happens. But also, like, it can happen. People who think it couldn't happen the second term, they're wrong.

[B]

Yeah. I don't disagree with that. That's. Who's. That's a question. It's like, they should have known this, right? They should have known this going into this. And ev. And this is like, the irony of all this is that everyone has seen this pattern of behavior and they still sign up for it because they become convinced that they can withstand the cycle. Like, if Matt Gates had gotten this job, the same thing would have happened with Matt Gates. It just always happens. Which leads us to who's next? Who's dumb enough to try to do this?

[D]

So let. Let me. I know you're driving, Sam. I'm sorry.

[E]

Go.

[B]

You drive. Drive.

[D]

So I want to ask, who's next? And of the people who could be next, are any of them at risk for going rogue? Because I think Tulsi is. The problem with firing Tulsi is that Tulsi is going to be big mad about all the Iran stuff because she's one of these. You know, let's not do that sort of thing. And she was late to Trump. I think Trump can fire Pam Bondi, and she. She does not have a real public base of support. You can say, well, I'll just buy her off down the line. Tulsi's a little tougher. Can you get rid of Tulsi and still keep her on side? Anyway, that's my question for you guys about who's next and if it's Tulsa.

[B]

I thought. I thought. You're asking me. I thought you were asking who's next to be Attorney General, but you're asking who's next to be fired.

[D]

Who's next to be fired.

[B]

And I agree with you on Tulsi. I think. I think RFK Jr. The same problems happen with RFK Jr. Which is he will talk about all the ways that he wanted to do more Maha than Trump. And Trump let down the movement. Cash probably could be next. He'll stay loyal.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Trying to think who else.

[C]

Well, you know, who might not stay loyal or like, you know, what's interesting about the body thing, Remember, who she really got into it with was Bongino. And so, like, I am dying to. I mean, I would never listen to Dan Bongino's podcast, but if somebody else

[D]

could go, hello, Will Summer.

[C]

Well, Summer, as a formal employment condition, I'm gonna need you to go listen to Dan Boncino and report back as to how gleeful he might be. The only person today happier than we are to see Pam Bondi out on her ass.

[E]

Yeah, because famously, he said, I mean, their whole beef was that, you know, he felt she had kind of screwed him over with the base because she kind of implicated him in the Epstein thing.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. Well, he's out there with a podcast

[E]

now, and he loves fighting. He loves fighting. But he was doing it all day today. And I'm sure there's more.

[D]

I'll just keep driving for a minute.

[B]

So who.

[D]

Who's the next object? Attorney General.

[B]

That's what I want to talk about. I haven't. No, you missed it. There's reports now there's speculation that she might be going. This is from Scott McFarland. Yeah. Dear J. That she might be out. There you go.

[E]

Well, I mean, if you're mad about the D.C. grand juries, I mean, that's. She's the one in charge of that, so she's got to go.

[C]

True.

[B]

All right, here's my speculation. I pulled a. I pulled a clip for you guys about who you think is going to be next. Let's put it up.

[E]

Thank you, Sam.

[B]

Okay, you're welcome. Now, Lee Zeldin is the one who's. Everyone's talking about as being next. I mean, it's musical chairs, right? It's just there's like a group of people who they can trust or he thinks he can trust, and. And they'll just plop someone in there.

[D]

Why?

[B]

Do you have some dark horse candidate, jvl?

[D]

No, I. I'm putting into the floor. I want to hear you guys. And why not Blanche? Why would Blanche only be acting?

[E]

I have a theory. I think you need Blanche in the shadows, meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell doing the dirty deeds. And on one hand, he gets some heat from the base because they'll be like, he's holding up reparations for Gen 6 people or he won't bust, like have the FBI raid the prison where they're holding Tina Peters. But you know, on one hand, if he's at a deputy level, you can kind of avoid some of the blame over that. And I think you need someone maybe a bit more of a doofus, kind of. Yeah. As the face of doj, to take the fall for these.

[B]

Let me throw. Let me throw out one name. This is crazy, but it's not totally beyond the realm of reason with Trump. Megan Kelly.

[E]

I like it. She'll finally get to the bottom of the Charlie Kirk case.

[B]

If he goes Candace, I'm gonna flip,

[D]

but I don't think she's been outside on Iran, though.

[B]

She has been outside on Iran. You can get her on. Yeah, that could be true.

[C]

All right, I've got a crazy one that I also think is not that crazy, is that he goes back to try. He tries Gates again.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because, you know, here's the thing about the Epstein files. He needs somebody who says the pedophilia ring was good. Actually, like, he needs somebody to, to do.

[E]

Oh, God.

[D]

There are some people at the Federalist who will make that case.

[C]

Yeah. No, I mean, he, he needs. He, he, like, he needs a defender that says, guys, we're talking about, you know, mostly 16, 17 year olds. Look, in my personal capacity is Matt Gates, Congressman. I know that that's not such a big deal. No, I think I. It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to put somebody up who was like a lunatic for the media to have a feeding frenzy on, but that actually keeps it away from Trump.

[D]

Is there somebody who could be put into this post who would be better than Bondi? I argue no.

[B]

No.

[D]

People, people forget that Bondi was The responsible choice. I mean, everybody breathed a sigh of relief after he let the Matt Gaetz thing go and was like, oh, at least this woman's an attorney.

[B]

Like, good question. You talk. I'm gonna look at her confirmation vote while you guys talk. And I do believe there was Democrats.

[D]

Yeah. So I. The case I would make to you guys is that having witnessed the last year, any even semi serious person would think, I can't do this because he'll want me to indict people that I can't get indictments for, and then he'll blame me for it and fire me. And so it would take a crazy person who thinks they can actually get Jim Comey indicted or something nuts like that to take the, to take the job.

[E]

Yeah, I think there's a lot to that. You know, if I could just make a point about Lee Zelda. I mean, he is a guy, I will say, who has more clout with the right wing media than Pam Bondi does. Like, he's not like a, you know, beloved figure in a way like Cash was, but he worked them. He had, I think, Benny Johnson visit the headquarters and go like, wow, we. I can't believe these Democrats are out of control. So, you know, I, I think he has a little more finesse with them

[B]

than bonding then I was, I stand corrected. Only one Democrat voted for Pam Bondi. You can guess.

[C]

Was it Federman?

[B]

Yes, of course.

[D]

Hey, Caitlyn Collins reporting that Robert Garcia says he still expects Pam Bondi to testify in accordance with her deposition.

[B]

I mean, she kind of has to

[D]

work if she's been subpoenaed. Can she not show up to this now that she's in the private sector?

[B]

I'm not a lawyer, but I think you have to. The spina doesn't change just because your job status changed. I think you'd have to go unless you want to be in defiance of the subpoena.

[C]

Wow, that's exciting. I wonder what the stock market will be doing on that day.

[D]

You know, it would be here. Listen, if you're a Democratic member sitting on that committee, I'm asking you now, if she shows up, just ask her what the Dow Jones is at this moment. Just ask her to look and say, take out your phone.

[B]

Go ahead.

[D]

Can you just tell us what the Dow Jones is at, please, Ms. Bondi?

[B]

Look, I know we're having the audio on that. I know we're having a lot of fun with this. I just want to make one point. I have to bounce a little bit, unfortunately, but there were Some. I will just say her handling of Minnesota and ICE and Preddy was reprehensible. And I, I don't, I don't want that to get lost as we gloat about what's happening here. Silly. Her handling of the Epstein stuff was in the Dow Jones. She, during the course of that whole horrible month period, both refused to have an investigation into what happened and then had the audacity to request voter rolls from the governor of Minnesota in exchange for cooperating in some sort of oversight into what happened there, or at least to take away some of the ICE presence in the city. I thought that whole thing was like the perfect encapsulation of how wretched this experience was with her as A.G. you know, I do.

[C]

I think you're making a good point that we should just make very clear, which is people who have decided to go carry water for Trump and his administration like this, they're bad people, right, who have made horrible decisions and they deserve the level of humiliation that Trump is dishing out. While still we should acknowledge that this is Trump. Trump is the one who, like, it is Pam Bondi is getting punished for like, mishandling the Epstein stuff. But like, Trump is the one who was really good friends with Epstein. Trump is the one who was trying to keep those things under wraps. Trump is the one who set Tulsi down. Like, they're all deserve the humiliation and the professional ruin that he puts them through. But we also shouldn't lose sight of the fact that all of these things that they have done are because of Trump's policies, because of what he is implementing, because of his. The cruelty is the point. And they defend them at their peril, but that also comes from Trump. So I just like you, both those things can be true.

[D]

I, I just want to say that as we look forward to what the. The next, we're caught looking backward on the Epstein stuff. But from Trump's perspective, the next Attorney General's number one task will be election interference. And so, I mean, I, I'm sort of reversing myself saying that, well, you know, he's going to want the next person to indict people like Jim Comey. That's probably not right. Trump would wanted Bondi to be his retribution candidate and then he needed her to be his Epstein fixer, and she wasn't good at either of those things. But he has a real need over the course of the next 10 months to have somebody who is going to be able to use the Department of Justice to interfere in investigations or in elections and at least muddy the waters, maybe stop some results from being done, maybe apply pressures to getting voter rolls expunged and stuff like that. And so he might need somebody who's really competent and eager to go after election interference and pursue election interference leading up to the midterms. And so that is like the. The semi serious part of this, which actually concerns me a little bit, Will who's.

[B]

Who's around from the 2020 project who might be still in the orbit that, you know, would do something like that. There's definitely some folks I'm not talking about, like, Mike Lindell or.

[E]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, you know, the Wall Street Journal just had a story about, like, these investigations, these fake investigations into the voter fraud where you have all these characters, some. Some of whom are now in the Justice Department. I mean, the guy who was just talking about teleporting, who I believe works for DHS and fema, I mean, he was a big, like, you know, truther conspiracy guy. And actually, just since we mentioned Tulsi, she's working on the quote, unquote report that is supposed to kind of justify this midterm election crackdown. And I think when we talk about, is she going to get fired? I mean, I think it all really hinges maybe on that report. Like, they can't fire her unless the report comes out. But if it's kind of a dud, maybe they fire her then. But. But I think that', like, really her key role for Trump right now.

[B]

Well, I gotta run, guys. There is some good video that you should probably play about with Pam at Graceland. Apparently, it's really good.

[C]

Well, let's play that just to wrap things up.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Lot of news.

[B]

He was just comfortable here.

[C]

Yeah, very.

[F]

This was his home.

[C]

This.

[F]

This.

[B]

No matter where he lives, he always came back.

[E]

Always came.

[C]

It was always called. And that's what she says.

[E]

She's just hanging. She looks like she's. She's like a. A docent.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

The ritual humiliation. Man, she had a job. And the. Yeah, I. I do see a lot of good suggestions in the chat about who could replace some of my favorite. Well, Dershowitz. I love that.

[D]

Nicki Minaj.

[C]

Nicki Minaj. That's a good one. Yeah, we got. There's been some fun stuff in here. Now I forget. I saw a couple other ones that I was like, oh, yeah, Ken Paxton. Oh, Kanye West. These are good, good guesses, folks.

[B]

Actually, here's a real. Here's a real possibility.

[D]

Oh, to me, that's not a bad one.

[B]

Not Paxton, but about corning. You're not gonna win.

[C]

I don't think so. I don't think so, actually, because he's the opposite, right?

[D]

He'd want to put Paxton into the job to get him out of the race.

[B]

Paxton knows he's going to win, and Paxton's not going to take the job. But maybe one of the others. Yeah, it could be interesting. All right, I have to run. I don't know if you guys want to stay on.

[E]

No,

[C]

I. I think we've. I think we've had our victory lap, but.

[B]

All right, well, let's call it a feed then. Sarah, JVL will thank you guys so much, everyone who tuned in. Thank you. We love doing these emergency lives. Subscribe to the blower. Forget more content like this. Support the mission. Talk to you soon, guys. Later.

[D]

Bye.