Philip Holsinger (4:16)

A Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman said on social media that its intelligence assessments go well beyond just gang affiliate tattoos. She said Andri's own social media indicates he is a member of Trend Aragua.

Tim Miller (4:31)

The Trump administration is pretty free with accusations when it comes to these men who are fleeing terror, who are just trying to come to the land of milk and honey for a chance to live a free life. They've got a lot of accusations. They call them rapists. They say they're brutal gang members, they're violent, they're terrible. A lot of aspersions cast with no evidence from the administration. But here's what I see. What I see is, is everyone involved in this, from Kristi Noem to Trisha McLaughlin to Stephen Miller to Tom Homan, based on the evidence presented, they are the terrorists here. They are the kidnappers. They are the people that are going to be responsible for, surely physical and emotional trauma that will follow these men for life. At a fucking minimum, they are responsible for the most horrific trauma imaginable being inflicted on these people. They are responsible for disappearing them without the ability to call their mother or father or family. They're responsible for having men with hoods and masks shackling them to the ground and forcing them to submit. They're responsible for these men being terrorized. Maybe some of them deserve it. I don't know. We don't know. Tricia had said that the social media feed was the evidence that they had that Andree was Trende Aragua. Let's play this bit from 60 Minutes.

Philip Holsinger (6:16)

We went back a decade and could only find photos like these.

Tim Miller (6:21)

So you go, they looked at 10 years of his social media feed, and you know what? They saw him looking like a fucking game, you magician. Like, are you kidding me? That person is Trenda Aragua. That person was so dangerous that you had to forcibly remove him, shackle him, disappear him with no contact with his family, make him live in this fucking concentration camp in this hole in another country that he's never been to. That man. Show up the picture again. Put the picture again. This guy. Really, Trisha? Really, Stephen? Really, Tom? Really, Christy? Really Donald Trump. That man was so dangerous to this country that we sent him to one of the worst prisons that I've ever seen in my life. Video from. We're torturing him. And your evidence is trust us. No, you no don't trust the government. You serve us. You show it. There's a bonus clip from Phillips Holzinger that I want to play. It's pretty tough to watch, but.

Unnamed Reporter (7:44)

Since.

Tim Miller (7:44)

He'S the one that actually got to see these guys, but let's watch it.

Unnamed Reporter (7:48)

Life in the cell in Sukkot is the definition of austerity. The bunks are steel. There are no blankets, there are no pillows. There's nothing. It's just a slab of metal, and that's where you sleep. There are no books, there's no television. Zero outside communication. Nothing goes out, nothing comes in. There's 24 hour surveillance. No misbehaving, no talking. The first time I visited Sakat, I was shocked by the silence. The silence is what really got under my skin. And then they go right into a room where they shave everybody's head. And they don't shave their heads, you know, tenderly. The guards are just, you know, fast, fast, fast, rapidoo, rapido, rapido, rapidoo. So some of them are nicking their heads. This man really grabbed my attention. He may be a criminal, he may be innocent, he may be a father. I don't know his story at all, but I know his eyes. He didn't fight hopelessness, just gave in.

Philip Holsinger (8:55)

As he took the last few photographs before the Venezuelans were transported to their cells, Holsinger said he felt he had watched these men become ghosts.

Unnamed Reporter (9:04)

They've been stripped of their hair and their clothes, and they've. They don't know where they're going. All of their personality was gone. Your life just ceased to exist. You're just a person in white clothes now. And I had this sort of sense of, I'm watching these guys disappear.

Tim Miller (9:24)

Hopelessness just gave in. I felt like I was watching them disappear. There's got to be a really high bar for the government in a free country to decide that they can make somebody disappear into a foreign hellhole where they are given no access to the outside world, where they are forced to be silent, where they cannot speak, where they are brutalized, where they have fate. Nameless, faceless RoboCop guards as if this is some fucking futuristic Nazi camp. Every one of those guys better been a fucking gang member and a rapist. Because doing that, doing that to somebody, taking away their humanity, because that is what this, our government, has done. It is taken away the humanity from people that just wanted an opportunity to live free. That was the fundamental thing about our country. That was the element here that mattered. Right? Because in America, we're not. This country is not about just the ground that we're on, because it wasn't our ground. We all came from different places. It's not like we're not hungry. I know they want us to be. We're not a common language and a common food culture and a common history. It's not us. We all come from different places. We're a gumbo. And the thing that ties it all together, the thing that is fundamental about America is that here, people that came here, people that followed the rules, had a chance to live a life of purpose and meaning, to be free. That's what this country is about. And we have snuffed that out from these people. Ones like Andriy that according to his lawyer, who's doing a great, unbelievable work. Ones like Andrii, who came here and came to a port of entry and tried to follow the rules and did a pre interview, and we've snuffed it out. We've said this fundamentally American thing is gone, that we are no different from the jackals, that we will just on a whim, take someone and send him to a foreign dungeon to rotate. That is not a free country. That is not the America that I grew up in. It's a very different place. And if we cannot rally to stop this right now with the Venezuelans, then things are going to get a lot uglier from here. So, Anyway, thanks to 60 Minutes for their reporting. Thanks to Lindsay Teslowski, the attorney for Andre. Please go watch the full segment. There are a couple of other stories that are just as harrowing. And subscribe to the feed. We'll be back here soon.

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