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Tim Miller
Hey, everybody, it's Tim Miller from the Bulwark here with managing editor Sam Stein. We're talking about Elon's recent remarks to the Qatar Economic Forum. He's doing this thing where he speaks like a weird wizard of Oz kind of voice of God, like man in the sky kind of thing with a vague background. So he might be coming to you out of the clouds, where he issues, like, kind of petulant remarks and bon mots from on high. He did so to the folks gathered in Qatar. And, man, I gotta say, he was prickly. He was defensive. He does not like Bill Gates and wanted to walk through a couple of the highlights. Sam Stein suffered through the whole 40 minutes. I just picked out a little bit.
Sam Stein
I watched on 2.0 speed, just to be clear.
Tim Miller
So what was your takeaways? And then we'll get to a couple of the clips.
Sam Stein
Well, I thought that there, you know, there's a couple of things. One is you can overstate how massive the screen was of him. Like, it was the. It was not just a screen. It was like the entire auditorium is just Elon's big head. And yes, the fuzzy background made it a little bit mysterious.
Tim Miller
Maybe we'll do an Elon thing at the Sphere in Las Vegas where it's just like, Elon's head.
Sam Stein
That's too much. Yeah, I can understand it, but that's too much. There was a defensiveness to it that clearly came through. I mean, that's just from start to finish, you know, very defensive, you know, and sort of combative, too, with the interviewer. He was insistent that he was going to be at Tesla for the next five years. Got into a little bit about his compensation. You know, he mean, it seems like he's checked out and more in his business world than he is in politics. And we'll get into that in a little bit because the main takeaways really were when, you know, the newsy ones were when they got into politics. And so, you know, he's asked to defend the doge cuts and they were like, look, you promised $2 trillion and you're going to end up with like 130 billion or something like that. Like, did you fail? And he's like, well, you know, it's up to Congress to codify this stuff. It's not my job. And that was never. That's. That was not how he presented it. And then, you know, they talked about, you know, did you get brand management problems? Brand problems because of your political activities? And he said, no, it's Just in Europe, you know, we're fine everywhere else. And then the big one was, you know, what are you, are you gonna like, step back and retreat from political giving? And we can play this video because.
Elon Musk
This was actually quite interesting in terms of political spending. I'm going to do a lot less in the future.
Sam Stein
And why is that?
Elon Musk
I think I've done enough.
Sam Stein
Is it, is it because of blowback?
Elon Musk
Well, if I see a reason to do political spending in the future, I will do it. I do not currently see a reason.
Sam Stein
So, I mean, there you have it. Like, he's like, you know, I, if I'm done with the extent, not done completely political giving. But I'm stepping back. Seriously. There's some people who are skeptical that he'll actually be that restrained me. Okay.
Tim Miller
I mean, to me, again, this is, I'm not saying this literally, that he's literally going on and off medication. I don't know. And I don't want to, I don't want to hypothesize that he's taking. He's acting like somebody that's going on and off medication, though. Like, honestly, like, he's acting like somebody that is erratic, you know, that, that, like sometimes he talks like this in this interview where he's very mellow and then he's like very hyper at other times. And I mean, you know, humans contain multitudes, but it acts like somebody that's self medicating. And maybe that's just his nature. But to me, this reads like, you know, he might have a totally different whim because he sees a bleat, you know, from some congressman, you know, that offended him, and then he goes on an adult rant against how he's going to primary that person and start spending 100 million in a random district in North Carolina. To me, like, that seems equally likely to him just backing out with a doubt.
Sam Stein
But you, you would you acknowledge. I mean, it's just been obvious over the past three weeks, a month, whatever. He's like totally tamped it down and barely. He's barely talked, not barely talking, but he's talked about much less. He's certainly less public and his Twitter activities much more directed towards, like, weird tech stuff and business.
Tim Miller
He's been kind of like the dog that was hit with the newspaper.
Sam Stein
Yeah.
Tim Miller
I don't know if you're a little wimpy. Yeah. You know, like, he's been hit. He was wild. You know, he's running around, he was drooling, he was biting children. And he's been kind of hit with the newspaper a few times and he's now he's kind of backing off. I do think that there's. That's definitely true. Back to a couple of the other things you mentioned, the Doge in particular. This is just one of the best Doge facts I've learned recently. This was a couple days ago Eric Katz posted this. They've claimed that 40% of the phone calls into Social Security centers were fraud. And so they built a tool to track the calls. And it turns out it was actually 0.0018% that were fraud. And the tool slowed down process of Social Security payments for people significantly. I love. Like, that was one of my favorite Doge facts so far. And it's just the whole thing was an utter failure. Like it was across the board failure.
Sam Stein
Right. I, I'd be very curious. I. It's impossible to know the accounting because they, the numbers they put up are bullshit and they keep getting revised. But like, I wouldn't be totally shocked if it turned out that Doge ended up costing as much, if not more money than it saved. I mean, just between the lawsuits that they've had to deal with around Doge, I mean even yesterday there was a suit that said like shutting down U. S. Institute of Peace was unlawful and that they had to immediately reverse it. Like, why was Doge even around with the US Institute of Peace? Like what, what difference did it make to them? And then you had another story somewhat recently where the Doge person who went into the va, who's actually not an insane Doge person, just sort of from the tech world and was super into management efficiencies and stuff, went into the VA and was like, I was shocked to discover that things were pretty good. Like they were operating pretty well. Like, yeah, we could like streamline some of the stuff and, and, and get rid of some of the red tape. But like I wanted more problems and I, I can't.
Tim Miller
You know, he was expecting like a 20 person DEI office where they're just like sitting around drinking big gulps, like watching, checking in, you know, watching TikTok like all day to kind of scroll in there for you page and just, you know, it's like these people come.
Sam Stein
Here and they do. They're not doing the government work because they're like, it's lucrative. Like they do it because they actually believe in the mission. I guess Doge just didn't understand that. And then of. But the, the real legacy of Doge ultimately, I mean, the one thing it did do really well, was it just destroyed US Aid? I mean, just destroyed it. And. And Musk was pressed on that in this interview, and he kept kind of deflecting. I actually thought the interview did a very good job because he'd be like, oh, yeah, show me. Show me instances where kids are dying of aids. And, like, we have data from the UN that shows all these projects and these medications are not getting funded. Like, will you at least, like, call the UN and check it out? And he's like, I'll give him a call. And it's like, he did do that. Like, the world's richest man went in and took an absolute hammer, sledgehammer to an agency that does a lot of important work keeping the poorest people of the globe alive. That is his legacy of Doge.
Tim Miller
It is. And you can tell it's nothing that he's defensive about and that he's bristling about. And in the interview, he lashes out at Bill Gates over his critique. Over it.
Elon Musk
Who does Bill Gates think he is to make comments about the welfare of children, given that he frequented Jeffrey Epstein?
Tim Miller
Okay, well, yeah, you know, Epstein island, not great for Bill Gates. So that is a big. That is a big X mark. But. But again, this is like, Elon can't defend what they did on the merits, right? And so he has to try to, like, do these, like. Like, pretend like he's on Twitter, he's on X, where he can just, like, do it. Make fun of Bill Gates with, like, a childish meme and that all of his fanboys would be like, yeah, you won. Yeah. And there are a few of the fanboys in the crowd. You can kind of hear some cheers, but, like, that doesn't really work in the interviewer. Then when you're going back. And, like. But what about the substance of the critique of the fact that you're the world's richest man? You're taking away all these resources from the poorest people in the world. Like, there's no. That just happened.
Sam Stein
It's such a lame deflection. It's like, just own up to what you did. Just do it. Like, if you want to defend it on the merits, don't say, oh, Bill Gates in Epstein island. And don't tell the interview, oh, show me the data. Like, you know, the data. You shut it down. Like, just defend it on the merits, if that's what you want. But he can't do it.
Tim Miller
And it is.
Sam Stein
It is. Honestly, you know, it's a. It should be a source of embarrassment, because if that's if you went into government and the only thing you substantially cut was usaid, it means you didn't know what the hell you were doing because that was the easiest target. And it also happened to deal with the most vulnerable people in the world.
Tim Miller
Elon. Grumpy, prickly Elon. Any other, any other thoughts? He didn't have any. Speaking of Doge. He didn't have any speaking at the Qatari Economic Forum. Didn't seem like he had any complaints of the inefficiencies of taking a 13 year old Qatari plane and then having to refashion it and like having to put new security thing on, having the taxpayers pay for, you know, making Trump's fancy plane secure. Did he have any, did he have any notes on the efficiency of that?
Sam Stein
Did not come up. And he's a, he's a transportation guy, he does a lot of plane stuff, so. No, didn't come up.
Tim Miller
Interesting. Okay, everybody, subscribe to the feed. We'll be monitoring lots happening today, lots of stuff on the Hill. So we'll be back here soon. I've got David French on the pod today, so make sure you check that out if you haven't. He was awesome and we'll be seeing you guys soon. Peace.
Bulwark Takes Episode Summary
Title: Elon’s Giant Head Melts Down and Blames Everyone But Himself
Host: The Bulwark
Release Date: May 20, 2025
In this episode of Bulwark Takes, hosts Tim Miller and Sam Stein delve into Elon Musk's recent appearance at the Qatar Economic Forum. The discussion unpacks Musk's contentious remarks, his political maneuvers, and the broader implications of his actions on various sectors, including government aid and political spending. The hosts provide a critical analysis of Musk's behavior, strategy, and the fallout from his initiatives.
[00:00 - 01:05]
Tim Miller opens the discussion by describing Elon Musk's presentation style at the forum. Musk adopted a "weird wizard of Oz" persona, speaking with a "voice of God" against a "vague background," which Tim likens to someone issuing remarks "from on high."
Sam Stein comments on the overwhelming presence of Musk’s image during the presentation.
[01:05 - 02:22]
Both hosts note Musk's defensive and combative demeanor throughout the 40-minute session. Musk expressed a strong dislike for Bill Gates and was insistent on remaining committed to Tesla for the next five years.
Musk also touched upon his compensation, suggesting a disinterest in politics compared to his business ventures.
[02:22 - 06:18]
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Musk's political spending through his initiative known as Doge. Sam and Tim critically evaluate the effectiveness and repercussions of Doge.
They highlight a specific failure where Doge inaccurately claimed that 40% of Social Security calls were fraudulent, when in reality, only 0.0018% were. This misrepresentation led to severe delays in Social Security payments.
Additionally, they discuss lawsuits against Doge, including a case where shutting down the U.S. Institute of Peace was deemed unlawful, questioning the agency's relevance and Musk's understanding of its importance.
[06:18 - 07:25]
The hosts condemn Musk's significant reduction of U.S. aid through Doge, emphasizing the negative impact on vulnerable populations worldwide.
Musk's legacy, according to the hosts, is marred by his dismantling of essential aid programs that support the world's poorest populations.
[07:25 - 08:23]
In a contentious exchange, Musk attacks Bill Gates, questioning his credibility due to Gates's association with Jeffrey Epstein.
Tim and Sam criticize Musk's deflection tactics, arguing that instead of addressing substantive critiques of his policies, Musk resorts to personal attacks.
[08:23 - 09:32]
The hosts reflect on Musk's erratic behavior and public persona, suggesting signs of instability or possible self-medication. They note a shift in Musk's public engagements, citing reduced political involvement and more focused business-related communications on platforms like Twitter.
This behavioral analysis paints Musk as increasingly isolated and reactive, especially in response to criticism and political pressures.
The episode provides a thorough critique of Elon Musk's recent actions and public statements. Tim Miller and Sam Stein argue that Musk's defensive and combative approach, particularly regarding his political spending through Doge, has led to significant missteps with far-reaching consequences. His personal attacks on figures like Bill Gates further detract from addressing substantive policy critiques. The hosts conclude with concerns about Musk's erratic behavior and its impact on his leadership and legacy.
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This comprehensive analysis offers listeners insight into the complex dynamics of Elon Musk's influence on technology, politics, and global aid, highlighting the challenges and controversies surrounding his multifaceted endeavors.