Even Joe Rogan & Tim Dillon Say the Minnesota Shooting Was Wrong

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bulwark Takes

Episode: Even Joe Rogan & Tim Dillon Say the Minnesota Shooting Was Wrong
Date: January 14, 2026
Host(s): Tim Miller, Tim Pool, (with mentions of Piers Morgan, Will Chamberlain, Joe Rogan, Tim Dillon)
Theme: A critical look at the recent police shooting of Renee Goode in Minnesota, dissecting the political and legal responses, and highlighting surprising consensus across ideological lines.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the public and media response to the “execution-style” police shooting of Renee Goode in Minneapolis. The Bulwark team, joined by guests including Will Chamberlain, explores the facts of the case, critiques the polarized political commentary, and emphasizes that figures from across the political spectrum—like Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon—also condemn the shooting. The discussion dives into law enforcement accountability, legal ramifications, and broader social implications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Background and Setup (01:31–04:26)

• Host Tim Pool recaps his recent appearance on Piers Morgan’s show, expressing frustration at right-wing attempts to deflect blame and at mainstream defenses of the officer involved in the Goode shooting.
• Pool provides a satirical meta-commentary on the show’s guest lineup, poking fun at “bootlicker” personalities and the low quality of some viral right-side coverage.
  • “Benny Johnson... is a bootlicker extraordinaire. You know, he's got that new Tread on Me Daddy flag that's kind of replaced the Gadson flag over at the Benny Johnson show.” (03:04, Tim Pool)
• Emotional motivation: Tim is “upset following the murdering of Renee Goode” and wants to channel that into productive public debate.

Consensus on Wrongdoing (04:26–06:05)

• Tim Miller: “This has been an unbelievably divisive story... everybody involved made mistakes, but that ultimately that woman should not have been shot dead.” (04:26)
• Tim Pool invokes Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon as surprising voices of agreement:
  • Joe Rogan (quoted): “It’s also very ugly to watch someone shoot a US citizen, especially a woman, in the face... it just looked horrific to me.” (04:47)
  • Tim Dillon (quoted): “I don't believe the cop was justified in shooting her three times in the face. It's just like anybody that is not a total scaredy cat…” (05:12, paraphrased by Pool)
• Pool’s argument: the video clearly shows excessive force; defending this action requires either “bad faith” or being “very easily scared.”

Breaking Down the Shooting & Response (06:05–07:58)

• Tim Pool reconstructs the incident:
  • Officer approaches Goode, she is calm (“That's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you”), has a dog and children’s toys in the car.
  • Car is backing slowly; wheel turning away, officer fires three times, including a side shot with no threat, then calls her a “fucking bitch.”
  • None of the officer’s colleagues saw fit to draw their weapons.
• Pool’s critical take: “I think everybody trying to make this complicated or trying to say she tried to kill him... they either are just intentionally spinning... or maybe they’re just very easily scared individuals.” (07:56)

Legal Perspectives (07:58-08:18)

• Tim Miller: “From a pure, lawful perspective, I suspect it's quite likely that this officer will not end up being successfully prosecuted for this.” (07:58)

The Debate: Tim Pool vs. Will Chamberlain (08:18–11:27)

• Pool: Insists the act was not justifiable, backed by bipartisan outrage and polling data (only 28% of the country, 64% of Republicans, and 10% of independents saw the shooting as “appropriate”).
  • “Only 28% of the country in a recent poll said this shoot was appropriate, including only 64% of Republicans. Like any 10% of independents, nobody who looks at this with open eyes can think this was justifiable.” (08:51)
• Will Chamberlain: Asserts the legal self-defense argument: “This was the most obvious self defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.” (09:44)
• Back-and-forth:
  • Pool ridicules Chamberlain: “How do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody?” (10:00)
  • Chamberlain accuses left-leaning guests of being anti-law enforcement except when it suits their politics.
  • Pool flips the “self-defense” rationale to January 6th, challenging Chamberlain: “How many people do you think the Capitol Police should have killed that day? Just based on your theory of self defense?” (10:22)

Extremism and Domestic Terrorism (11:11–11:27)

• Will Chamberlain: Broadens the discussion to “domestic terrorism,” equating Renee Goode and Ashley Babbitt under that definition: “The use of violence or the threat of violence for political ends in this country is domestic terrorism. And by that definition, both Renee Goode and Ashley Babbitt were domestic terrorists.” (11:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool (03:04): “Benny Johnson... is a bootlicker extraordinaire. You know, he's got that new Tread on Me Daddy flag that's kind of replaced the Gadson flag over at the Benny Johnson show.”
• Tim Miller (04:26): “Everybody involved made mistakes, but that ultimately that woman should not have been shot dead.”
• Joe Rogan (quoted, 04:47): “It’s very ugly to watch someone shoot a US citizen... it just looked horrific to me... it seemed like she was kind of turning the car away.”
• Tim Pool (06:08): “Only one person got executed. And so I think we should look into why that was and what happened there and just be honest…”
• Tim Pool (08:51): “Only 28% of the country in a recent poll said this shoot was appropriate, including only 64% of Republicans…nobody who looks at this with open eyes can think this was justifiable.”
• Will Chamberlain (09:44): “This was the most obvious self defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.”
• Tim Pool (10:00): “How do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody?”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:31 Tim Pool’s intro and commentary on appearing with Piers Morgan, lineup, reasons for participating
• 04:26 Tim Miller’s view: mistakes were made but Goode should not have been shot
• 04:47 Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon’s reactions quoted
• 06:08 Pool reconstructs the shooting, emphasizes lack of threat
• 07:58 Miller’s legal prognosis: prosecution is unlikely
• 08:18–11:11 Pool, Chamberlain, and Miller debate: self-defense vs. excessive force, polling, broader political implications
• 11:11 Chamberlain: defining “domestic terrorism” and equating Goode/Babbitt

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Tone & Style

The episode’s tone is sharp, candid, and unfiltered. There is clear emotional investment—especially from Pool—and flashes of satire and sarcasm interspersed with earnest debate. Both hosts and guests push for intellectual honesty and direct engagement with the facts rather than partisan spin.

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Takeaway

Even polarizing figures like Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon—often aligned with conservative or “anti-woke” commentary—agree that the police shooting of Renee Goode was unjustified. The discussion highlights how, despite widespread efforts to politicize and obfuscate these events, reality can break through ideological lines. The Bulwark team urges honesty, legal scrutiny, and an end to reflexive defenses of bad state actions, questioning whether accountability is possible in America’s current political climate.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Tim Mo from the Bulwark here. I did it again. I did it again. I went back onto the Piers Morgan show. I haven't been on since. I don't. I think after Charlie Kirk died and I almost lost the will to live listening to Kari Lake and Eric Bolling and others, you know, try to blame that on progressive liberals or they try to start a civil war over that. But you know, I've just been so upset following the murdering of Renee Good that I thought that it could be a good outlet for that rage. It's an idea. Yoga is another idea. Tried that too. Didn't. Didn't work. Really. I think I should go into more than one class, I guess. But anyway, it didn't work exactly. So I tried the Piers Morgan thing out and I was excited to hear this morning that Benny Johnson was going to be on with me and you know, I mean, that is a bootlicker extraordinaire. You know, he's got that new Tread on Me Daddy flag that's kind of replaced the Gadson flag over at the Benny Johnson show. But they didn't come. Said it was a travel issue. Maybe that was it. Instead I had the guy that did the video about the Somali daycare fraud who like went to all these daycares and went viral and kind of reported on stuff that New York Times and Minneapolis Start Tribune and others have been reporting on for years, who's been revealed to be very unsmart, to use a phrase from Ralph Wiggum. Very unsmart. And so he's on there and he's like speaking at a second grade level, so it's kind of hard to engage with him. And then I got Geraldo on there who's on my side of this. So I appreciate Geraldo, but he is talking for a long time, really filibustering. And then I got this guy Will Chamberlain who disagrees and we get into a little tte tte. So that's the part you're going to get because, you know, that's the only part where, you know, there is an exchange of ideas on this point. Will was unhappy that I implied that you can only be have a bad faith defense of this, of this execution style killing on the streets of Minneapolis and defended his point, you know, saying that that cop was just really scared for his life and had to do it. And so we go back and forth on that a little bit. So stick around for that. I'm doing my best. I gotta be out there, you know, in these Piers Morgan streets. I gotta say to Piers is also, this is the thing. Piers is maybe not with us on this, but Piers acknowledges that this shooting was wrong.

[Tim Miller]

Tim Miller, this has been an unbelievably divisive story. You know, my view is, having watched this many times now from every possible angle, is that everybody involved made mistakes, but that ultimately that woman should not have been shot dead.

[Tim Pool]

Joe Rogan does.

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[Tim Pool]

Tim Dillon does now, I don't believe from the angle I'm watching that the federal officer feared for his life. I don't believe the cop was justified in shooting her three times in the face. It's just like anybody that is not a total scaredy cat who's afraid of their life and like firing weapons on people all the time, or who doesn't just hate lesbians and want to kill them, or who just is going to defend Trump no matter what. Anybody else who votes for Trump or is an independent minded person sees this video and sees the obvious, which is this was wrong was a murder. It is totally, unfortunately unacceptable for someone that we pay an agent of the state to do this. So I get into that a little bit more with Will Chamberlain and Piers and the crew. Stick around for that.

[Tim Miller]

What's your view of this?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I gotta tell you, I don't know what Nick was looking at if he thought that she was aiming for him. I agree with you, Piers. I think everybody made mistake in this situation, but only one person got executed. And so I think we should look into why that was and what happened there and just be honest about what happened. He greeted the officer. Jonathan Ross had seen her, as you mentioned, 20 seconds before he shot her. And she said to him, that's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you. She was smiling. He could see into the car. There's a dog in the backseat. There are children's, children's toys in the passenger seat of the car. And then he walks around to the front. She's backing up. And as she starts to move away, this car's moving like two miles an hour. It's not moving any faster than any car does in any grocery store parking lot anywhere in America. The wheel is clearly pointing away, moving away from him. And then he shoots her. Not just one time, but then he shoots her a second time and a third time through the side window. When he fires the third shot, he's completely to the side of the car. He's not in any danger at all. And so I just don't see how anybody could see this and think that this person, like legitimately felt like his life was in danger. I'd also note that he has a couple colleagues that are standing there. None of them pulled their weapon. None of them thought, seemed to think his life was in danger. And then after, after the car with the dead driver goes away, he walks to it easily and he calls her a fucking bitch. So I just. Look, I think this is a very clear situation. I think everybody trying to make this complicated or trying to say she tried to kill him they either are just intentionally spinning for the administration because they're hacks, or maybe they're just very easily scared individuals.

[Tim Miller]

From a purely legal perspective, put aside the morality of what happened or anything else, from a pure, lawful perspective, I suspect it's quite likely that this officer will not end up being successfully prosecuted for this.

[Tim Pool]

Look, that's gonna be a question for a jury, Piers, but the point. Look, people are on the right. A lot of folks are praising Nick for just honesty in journalism when they felt that there was not honest things were being said about the daycares. Can we just be honest about this? There is no way this person's life was at risk. The third shot, no one will. No one will address this. The third shot that he shoots. The third shot, he is to the side of the car. He shoots her through the driver's side window. The car has already passed him. And then he calls her a fucking bitch. Like, this guy's life. I went out to Empire. You're trying to make this. And others, they try to say it's a. Both sides saying, oh, it's a partisan. Obviously the Trumpers defend him and the never Trumpers don't. That's not true. If you look at Tim Dillon, who's a pro Trump podcaster Joe Rogan just today has said this was totally inappropriate and wrong. Piers, you know, at times you've called it both ways, but you've been friendly with Trump. You're seeing it clearly. Only 28% of the country in a recent poll said this shoot was appropriate, including only 64% of Republicans. Like any 10% of independents, nobody who looks at this with open eyes can think this was justifiable. I'm sorry, that's celebrating the. We should just be honest about, like, there is no reason to kill that woman.

[Will Chamberlain]

I don't even know if.

[Tim Pool]

With her toys in the passenger seat.

[Tim Miller]

Well, Will Chamberlain. Why do you say Tim Miller's making that up?

[Will Chamberlain]

Well, he's essentially accusing all of us of bad faith. Like, I'm a lawyer. I've been trained. I've read a lot about the law of self defense. This was the most obvious self defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.

[Tim Miller]

Really?

[Will Chamberlain]

And the idea.

[Tim Pool]

Come on. Really?

[Will Chamberlain]

Absolutely. He's directly in front of the car. Two feet in front of the car.

[Tim Pool]

She's barely moving to a grocery store parking lot. Will, how do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody? I'm hoping you're not carrying a weapon when you're going through the time. Because every day across the country, arrest. This is crazy.

[Will Chamberlain]

Arrests by police officers. Is this like the normal thing on the left now? Like, apparently like you guys are all for law enforcement until it comes time to actually enforce the law.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, Will, I have a question for you. How many people do you think should have been murdered on January 6th? How many people do you think the Capitol Police should have killed that day? How many? Just based on your theory of self defense, how many people should they have killed?

[Will Chamberlain]

Anybody in the sense that I don't think Renee Goode should have been killed, but I actually think the Ashley Babbitt.

[Tim Pool]

No, using the justification of self defense because how many justifiably could have been killed? No, I'm asking how many justifiable.

[Will Chamberlain]

Position if we needed to.

[Tim Miller]

But will. The argument you and I had, Will, was about this phrase domestic terrorism. And I made the point which other people had raised anyway, which is, you know, that was on January 6th. By that criteria, which by that criteria you could argue that everyone that was violent that day was a domestic terrorist. Would you agree with that? You think they would?

[Will Chamberlain]

I agree. I think I have a broader view of domestic terrorism than apparently you do. The use of violence or the threat of violence for political ends in this country is domestic terrorism. And by that definition, both Renee Goode and Ashley Babbitt were domestic terrorists.

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