Tim Miller (4:26)

Tim Miller, this has been an unbelievably divisive story. You know, my view is, having watched this many times now from every possible angle, is that everybody involved made mistakes, but that ultimately that woman should not have been shot dead.

Tim Pool (4:45)

Joe Rogan does.

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It's also very ugly to watch someone shoot a US citizen, especially a woman, in the face where it's like, I'm not that guy. I don't know what he thought. And again, this is a guy who'd almost been run over, but it just looked horrific to me when people say it's justifiable because the car hit him. It seemed like she was kind of turning the car away.

Tim Pool (5:12)

Tim Dillon does now, I don't believe from the angle I'm watching that the federal officer feared for his life. I don't believe the cop was justified in shooting her three times in the face. It's just like anybody that is not a total scaredy cat who's afraid of their life and like firing weapons on people all the time, or who doesn't just hate lesbians and want to kill them, or who just is going to defend Trump no matter what. Anybody else who votes for Trump or is an independent minded person sees this video and sees the obvious, which is this was wrong was a murder. It is totally, unfortunately unacceptable for someone that we pay an agent of the state to do this. So I get into that a little bit more with Will Chamberlain and Piers and the crew. Stick around for that.

Tim Miller (6:05)

What's your view of this?

Tim Pool (6:08)

Yeah, I gotta tell you, I don't know what Nick was looking at if he thought that she was aiming for him. I agree with you, Piers. I think everybody made mistake in this situation, but only one person got executed. And so I think we should look into why that was and what happened there and just be honest about what happened. He greeted the officer. Jonathan Ross had seen her, as you mentioned, 20 seconds before he shot her. And she said to him, that's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you. She was smiling. He could see into the car. There's a dog in the backseat. There are children's, children's toys in the passenger seat of the car. And then he walks around to the front. She's backing up. And as she starts to move away, this car's moving like two miles an hour. It's not moving any faster than any car does in any grocery store parking lot anywhere in America. The wheel is clearly pointing away, moving away from him. And then he shoots her. Not just one time, but then he shoots her a second time and a third time through the side window. When he fires the third shot, he's completely to the side of the car. He's not in any danger at all. And so I just don't see how anybody could see this and think that this person, like legitimately felt like his life was in danger. I'd also note that he has a couple colleagues that are standing there. None of them pulled their weapon. None of them thought, seemed to think his life was in danger. And then after, after the car with the dead driver goes away, he walks to it easily and he calls her a fucking bitch. So I just. Look, I think this is a very clear situation. I think everybody trying to make this complicated or trying to say she tried to kill him they either are just intentionally spinning for the administration because they're hacks, or maybe they're just very easily scared individuals.

Tim Miller (7:58)

From a purely legal perspective, put aside the morality of what happened or anything else, from a pure, lawful perspective, I suspect it's quite likely that this officer will not end up being successfully prosecuted for this.

Tim Pool (8:18)

Look, that's gonna be a question for a jury, Piers, but the point. Look, people are on the right. A lot of folks are praising Nick for just honesty in journalism when they felt that there was not honest things were being said about the daycares. Can we just be honest about this? There is no way this person's life was at risk. The third shot, no one will. No one will address this. The third shot that he shoots. The third shot, he is to the side of the car. He shoots her through the driver's side window. The car has already passed him. And then he calls her a fucking bitch. Like, this guy's life. I went out to Empire. You're trying to make this. And others, they try to say it's a. Both sides saying, oh, it's a partisan. Obviously the Trumpers defend him and the never Trumpers don't. That's not true. If you look at Tim Dillon, who's a pro Trump podcaster Joe Rogan just today has said this was totally inappropriate and wrong. Piers, you know, at times you've called it both ways, but you've been friendly with Trump. You're seeing it clearly. Only 28% of the country in a recent poll said this shoot was appropriate, including only 64% of Republicans. Like any 10% of independents, nobody who looks at this with open eyes can think this was justifiable. I'm sorry, that's celebrating the. We should just be honest about, like, there is no reason to kill that woman.

Will Chamberlain (9:37)

I don't even know if.

Tim Pool (9:37)

With her toys in the passenger seat.

Tim Miller (9:40)

Well, Will Chamberlain. Why do you say Tim Miller's making that up?

Will Chamberlain (9:44)

Well, he's essentially accusing all of us of bad faith. Like, I'm a lawyer. I've been trained. I've read a lot about the law of self defense. This was the most obvious self defense shoot I've seen in quite some time.

Tim Miller (9:54)

Really?

Will Chamberlain (9:54)

And the idea.

Tim Pool (9:56)

Come on. Really?

Will Chamberlain (9:56)

Absolutely. He's directly in front of the car. Two feet in front of the car.

Tim Pool (10:00)

She's barely moving to a grocery store parking lot. Will, how do you get out of Walmart without shooting somebody? I'm hoping you're not carrying a weapon when you're going through the time. Because every day across the country, arrest. This is crazy.

Will Chamberlain (10:14)

Arrests by police officers. Is this like the normal thing on the left now? Like, apparently like you guys are all for law enforcement until it comes time to actually enforce the law.

Tim Pool (10:22)

Hey, Will, I have a question for you. How many people do you think should have been murdered on January 6th? How many people do you think the Capitol Police should have killed that day? How many? Just based on your theory of self defense, how many people should they have killed?

Will Chamberlain (10:33)

Anybody in the sense that I don't think Renee Goode should have been killed, but I actually think the Ashley Babbitt.

Tim Pool (10:39)

No, using the justification of self defense because how many justifiably could have been killed? No, I'm asking how many justifiable.

Will Chamberlain (10:51)

Position if we needed to.

Tim Miller (10:52)

But will. The argument you and I had, Will, was about this phrase domestic terrorism. And I made the point which other people had raised anyway, which is, you know, that was on January 6th. By that criteria, which by that criteria you could argue that everyone that was violent that day was a domestic terrorist. Would you agree with that? You think they would?

Will Chamberlain (11:11)

I agree. I think I have a broader view of domestic terrorism than apparently you do. The use of violence or the threat of violence for political ends in this country is domestic terrorism. And by that definition, both Renee Goode and Ashley Babbitt were domestic terrorists.

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