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EXCLUSIVE: Viral Protester Speaks Out As ICE Turns Minneapolis Into “Military Zone”
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Up next is my interview with Chris Ostrushko, who was Minnesota Angry Guy, my spirit animal, the fellow from the man on the street interview protesting in Minneapolis the other night, who was freaking out at just the insanity that ICE is inflicting on his community. It was a great conversation. Hope that you enjoy meeting him as much as I did. After he got off, he mentioned that he is he's going to keep going out to the protests and post some of the conversations he's having with people who are getting roughed up by the ICE agents or being wrongfully detained, et cetera. And so if you want to follow him, he is has created the account. The accounts are Mn Angry Man. I love that. Just own it. Brand Wise Man. Angry Man. Mn Angry Man. He's got that on Blue sky, on Instagram and I guess on Facebook too. So if you're digging it and you want to support him and want to monitor what's happening, go ahead and check him out there. All right, up next, Chris Ostruzko. Hey everybody. Welcome to the Bulwark. I'm Tim Miller and I couldn't be more delighted to be here with a fella who many of us saw on video this week. It's Chris Ostrushko. He lives in the Twin Cities. He's been out at the protests and he had some pretty hot language for the situation we found ourselves in this week. How you doing, Chris? Thanks for doing this.
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I'm doing very good. Little tired because I was out again today.
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C
Well, I want to hear about that. But for folks who missed it, I was like you, it sounds like pretty down about everything. Doing some doom scrolling the other night when I came across your video, the video of you being interviewed on the street. It really kind of buoyed me a little bit and kind of got my blood flowing. And so hopefully that has the same effect on some other folks. I want to watch some of that together for people that missed it.
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This is nuts. This is. Yeah. And you're right in the middle of this. What the is going on, dude? This is insane.
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D
Have you ever gone out to these.
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E
Sort of things before? Never. Never. I've never protested in my life.
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D
My brother.
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My brother's here. He does it all the time. I've never. I. I got. Dude, I. Like I said, I'm far enough away, but close enough, and I'm sitting my cushy house and look at and get mad and I. Yeah, they're just trying to fucking scare people and you know, but, but, but why shoot people? My. No, you know what really pisses me off is the fact that they detain people, cuff them, and then still beat the shit out of them. They tell you it's immigrants. Only immigrants. It's fucking anybody. I have friends that got detained and all they were doing was driving home from work. What the fuck?
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D
Sounds like you don't fit the definition of the.
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E
I'm not fucking paid to be here. Like, everybody fucking says, what the fuck is that? I gotta work in the goddamn morning just like everybody else. I'm just here trying to stand up for community. Dude, we're all human beings here. I don't give a Who you are, where you came from, what color you are. It doesn't fucking matter. This is wrong.
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C
I've watched like 18 times already now. So I appreciate you. So give us the. Give us the backstory. So when this interview's happening, where were you? Where were you protesting and what was the scene like there?
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D
Well, I guess I was more of an observer. Observer. Honestly. It was down. Down in north Minneapolis at the second ice shooting this week or last week. I Guess you should say yeah. And it was like a military zone. I mean, there was flash grenades going off. There was rubber bullets, tear gas, tear gas canisters. It was pretty intense. And they kept asking me if they could interview me. And I said, that's fine. Just walk with me. I don't give a. And then I started talking. Just started talking with the guys.
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C
Yeah. So you can hear from that backstory. Said, you're not bigger protester. Tell us your story.
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D
I just got sick of sitting at home, looking at social media and getting pissed off every night. You know, I look at social media, and it seems like the majority of the people lie, especially on one side. And I'm not taking sides here. It's not about sides to me. This isn't a right or left thing. This is a humanity thing. And it's right or wrong to me.
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C
For some of us who are doing that same thing, like looking at social media and getting mad, but are outside of the Twin Cities, it's kind of hard sometimes to get a grasp of. Are we just seeing little snippets of things that make it look worse? You've been out there now a couple times. What's your sense for what's happening on the ground and what you're hearing from friends? Neighbors?
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D
Okay, well, neighbors out here, they just sit at home and watch everything that everybody else does. So that's kind of how that goes. But honestly, I got sick of it. I went down to see the Renee Goode memorial with my wife because she got sick of me complaining all day long to her about this stuff. And when I was there, I started talking to people. She was walking around. The crowds are really big. She was taking pictures of the memorial, a lot of the signs, and the memorial is really big. There's a lot of stuff there. She was taking pictures. And I just kind of sat in the back, and I started talking to some people, and they were telling me their experiences, And I'm very analytical. I got to make sense of things, and I got to see what's right and wrong. And they were showing me pictures of friends, loved ones, friends, girlfriends getting taken out of cars and detained. And a lot of them were doing nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong. And we're talking about American citizens. I didn't even talk to any immigrants about, you know, illegals being taken at all. And I felt compelled to go down to Whipple and check that out. And my wife and I went down there, and I just kind of observed. I'm not up in front. I'm not the big rabble rouser type guy. I'm definitely not trying to get into mischief. I don't like getting in trouble. It's never been my thing. But I started asking people stuff there and I was watching and I. In my mind I'm thinking, there's got to be a better way. Like there's got to be a better way than running up there complaining, having them shoot tear gas and everything else, beat people up, take a guy back, there's got to be a better way. And I just kept thinking to myself, and we kept going out and I just kept observing what was going on. And I saw as I was down there, I saw American citizens coming out, you know, one every hour or so. And for most people that haven't seen the Whipple Building, the drive is very long. People are usually walking out without jackets because their jackets have been destroyed or taken. And it's very cold in Minnesota right now. And they don't. They're not allowed phone calls. So they walk out to the crowd and ask for a cell phone or something to use to call somebody to pick them up. And I was trying to get their stories about what was going on inside the building, why they were taken, if they're charged with anything. And most people were charged with absolutely nothing and they didn't do anything wrong. They were just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time and taken just out of circumstance because they were trying to get through traffic where ICE had stuff blocked off or you know, it's stuff like that.
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C
So you're talking to people who had been taken into detention who were American citizens and they hadn't done any, like they weren't doing anything that was, you know, whatever blocking ICE or you know, interfering. Like what was the, what were their stories?
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D
Most of the people are literally doing nothing wrong. Literally, like I said, it's wrong place at the wrong, you know, the wrong time. Driving through, like trying to get home and driving through an area and they get stuck and get taken out of the car and taken into custody. I'm not saying that's everybody. I know there are. Exactly. That's what I thought too. And that's why I decided to get more involved. It's just crazy what's going on here. I mean, today I was back down there and you guys put a face out there. So a lot of people are. Am compelled to go down there. And I was over taken by emotion when I got down there. Seeing the crowd of people and knowing it was probably because of what they saw and walking in the crowd, that's exactly what it was. I was getting hugs and people telling me, oh, my God. I felt, like, compelled to get down here. This isn't something I would normally do, but I saw you online or whatever, and it compelled them to come down. You know, that's what was happening all day long. And the crowd was absolutely huge. But, you know, things kind of went awry at certain points.
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C
So how did things go awry today?
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D
Well, today, Ice K, when they come in and out of the Whipple area, they come out in and out of the drive, and they come out in front of the protesters, and they come out very fast. It's no joke. They're probably going 60 miles an hour out of a drive, turning. So they're trying to put on a spectacle, acting like. So they almost hit a protester. And there are cops down there, but they're not doing anything. They're just sitting there watching. So they almost hit a protester, which should have been illegal, right?
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C
Yeah.
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D
And the person had to jump out of the way. Another protester banged on their window, and the two ICE agents got out. They were in shorts. They must have been off duty. They're probably going back to their hotel or whatever. I don't know why they're in shorts when it's only 10 degrees outside, but whatever. And one of the guy. They both jumped out looking like they wanted to fight. One of the guys ran up the drive and started whipping his hand around, you know, like, rally the troops. And probably, to me, I didn't get an official count, but we're talking 50, 60, maybe 70 guys came running out, charged the crowd, pushed people over, beat people. I moved back because I'm. I don't want to get involved in that part of this.
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C
Yes.
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D
I don't know if I'll have a choice eventually, but they usually single people out. If they see somebody do something wrong, they single them out. And the guy that hit the window and told him to knock it off, I think the guy. The guy pounded on the window, because I was standing right there, told him to quit it. They didn't listen. They got out and did what they did. And then they chased him and they grabbed the guy, and there's seven guys on top of them beating them up. They already had him on the ground, detained.
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E
And that's the type.
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D
Sorry. I'm gonna swear that's the type of fucking shit that I was talking about the other night.
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Like, that is the shit that I'm talking about.
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D
It's.
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C
It's.
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D
It's insane. And in fact I walked up to the ICE agents when they were doing that and I, I lit them up and I, I'm like, that's the I was talking about in the video the other night. Like, this is the you guys are doing. Why do you have to do that? You know, okay, you want to take the kid in, fine, get him down, handcuff him or zip tie them, whatever you're going to do.
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E
But why do you have to put.
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D
The carotid artery, choke on him with the knee like they did to, to George Floyd.
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E
That's what they do. Every time I, every time I see.
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D
Them take somebody down down there, it's like that and they, and they have a number of guys on their back and they're, they're kneeing them and they're punching them and whatever, it's uncalled for. And in my eyes it's inhumane.
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Level of how disproportionate it is and I didn't see that video you're seeing today, but even just from the other night. But it's like where they're doing the flash flashbangs and the smoke bombs. We tell the stories of the people that were just happened to be driving through with little kids that got smoke in their car and had to take them to the hospital. Is it as bad when you're there as it looks? I mean it seems like. It seems insane to me that they would feel like that the smoke bombs and all that stuff was necessary given what the type of protest was.
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D
It really depends on where you are. And I'm not going to sit here and say like the whole state of Minnesota is up and you know, like this. It's, it's more, you know, where the minorities are, where the, I guess the immigrants are. It's in, you know, lower impoverished areas, like more towards the city. St. Paul, Minneapolis. Yes, they're out in our area.
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C
Is that neighborhood that Renee, that were. Renee Good was killed though, didn't like that. Looks like a normal upper middle class neighborhood.
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D
No, not here in Minnesota. No, that's kind of. Those are kind of iffy areas. I mean that's inner city. Those houses are okay, I'm not going to put down. The houses are nice. Houses are well built. Probably better than built in my house actually. But yeah, I mean that's where they are. They are going all over the place. Like there's a holiday station store not that far from our neighborhood and somebody was detained there. But you don't see it as much out here. You know, it's every once in a while if you have the alerts on your phone, you'll know where they are and you'll kind of see where they're going. But other than that, it's not out in rural Minnesota. I don't think that they want to get people like me in an uproar. They don't want to get this neighborhood in uproar. They don't want these middle class people or upper middle class people, whatever you want to call us out there trying to deal with this. It's just, I don't know, I guess I'm a little different than the people that I live around. I'm not saying they don't get mad, they probably do.
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C
But I guess I also just meant like the nature of the protests. I mean it was true, right? Like after George Floyd like that there was some looting and some violence and stuff like in those protests. It doesn't feel like that that has been happening this time. And you know, like the videos I was seeing from that night that you were out where they're Doing the smoke bombs like it was apropos of nothing. Like they were just doing it to menace people. Was that what your sense was at that point?
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D
Yes, that's what it was. There was nobody doing anything at that point. They were just. You know, it was mostly reporters or observ. Just trying to take down information and see what was going on. You know, a lot of people were talking to neighbors to find out what really happened, because what they said happened is it's not what happened. I can tell you that. But I'm not going to sit and fight with the feds either. You know, they. They're. They're just lying. I mean, that's what they do. Whatever. But, no, when it first started down there, it was pretty ruckus. I mean, I saw the ICE officers. There weren't that many down there. They brought in reinforcements, so when you saw that video, they kind of chilled out. I mean, they're still doing stu stuff, but it wasn't as bad. Before that, there were probably eight ICE officers maybe in front of us. There were some down the hill where the actual incident took place. But people were surrounded them, and they were literally chest to chest with them in their face. So I was close enough, but I wasn't one of those people. And I literally saw, as they got in their cars to try. I saw a guy trying to grab a gun out of their holster. So I saw a guy, you know, jump in one of the cars with the ICE agent and hit him in the face. I saw windows get busted out on one of the cars as they ran away. You know, emotions are high on both sides, honestly, and. And it creates a bad situation. But I will tell you, that's only a few bad apples. That's not the whole group of people that are protesting. Most of them are pretty calm, and.
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C
It seems like they're trying to escalate. I guess that was my point. Not that there was no bad apples, but, like, that they're intentionally trying to escalate the confrontation.
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D
Oh, definitely. They are trying to escalate the confrontation. For sure they are. I mean, I've seen them do it all week.
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C
Tell us a little bit about you, man. A lot of folks, I think what resonated with people is you've been like, I'm not a person that goes out to protest. I got to go to fucking work in the morning. Like, what's your story? Like, why do you think this. This hits you so hard? What's your backstory?
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D
Well, I mean, I was raised. I am liberal, for sure. It's not that I don't agree with some of the things on both sides, because I don't think Both sides are 100 correct by any means, but listening to the guy in office now, it's. Yeah, he's something else. I mean, I think everybody can. Most normal people can see that. So my backs. I mean, I'm in construction. I'm a construction worker. I'm a union guy. I'm a hard worker.
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C
You know, the other thing that I just wonder is. So you're out there today. You said you were. You said people were coming up to you and you know that. That the video had resonated with folks and anything. People are getting out there, like, what's your. What is your sense for that? Like, when you're out there at those protests, are you seeing other folks like you who felt like they had just. This was one of their first times out there, or what was the. What's kind of the crowd like today?
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D
Yeah, a lot of them. I mean, I saw a lot of the people I've seen all week, and then today it was just much bigger. I mean, they're. A lot of people are saying they saw my video and they watched it a couple times and it really inspired them to get out and do something about this because they don't agree with it either. You know, I love that. I mean, you really have to get out of your comfort zone to go to one of those things, because they're not the most. You know, they're not. It's not fun. It's not fun. There's better things that you could do that are more fun, obviously. And. Yeah, I mean, there was a guy that I talked to from Idaho who came all the way from Idaho because he saw my video three times and.
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C
Idaho.
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D
Idaho, yeah. He wanted to take a picture with me. He thanked me for the video. He said that my video, my words, were very meaningful. Man. That's what I got all day today. There was a lady from Canada. I saw people from a lot of different places that came in to help with this. I mean, it's insane what's going on. Like I say, if I just stay home and I watch media and everything else, I'm never going to know the truth. I don't. I. I would never know they're doing that to American citizens because they don't talk about it, you know, but it's happening. That's what's happening. And that's. That's why I got involved. And look, we're a country of immigrants. We are. We're a country of immigrants that stole land from Native Americans.
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They.
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D
They're the people that actually own this land. They work here first. It's their land. We took it from them and forced them out, and now we're trying to send them back to places like this was where they're from. They're indigenous to the Americas, right?
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C
Yeah.
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D
It just doesn't make sense to me. Like I said, I'm very analytical, and I think about all this stuff all the time.
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C
I had Mayor Fry on, like, last week, and, man, you can just tell that guy's stressed and trying to figure out what to do. And we were kind of talking about. I. He almost was kind of just live on air sort of talking about the thought process of, like, their options, like, for how to deal with the ICE guys. Right. And he was like, it's not. It wasn't. Didn't seem like it was, like. Not that they hadn't had conversations about whether or not, you know, they had the power to arrest ICE agents that did illegal. That treated, you know, citizens wrong or that, you know, that did illegal things on their own. But he's like, you know, you can't. There's an escalatory element to that. And, you know, they've got the military on their side. Right. Like, all this stuff. I just. Do you. What would you say to, like. Do you have thoughts on, like, what could be done at this point from, like, city leaders that might be helpful either in supporting the protesters or protecting people's rights or. You have any thoughts on that, having been out there?
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D
Well, I wish they'd be out there with us, honestly, because it'd probably. It'd probably help. It'd probably keep people a little more calm. I can understand maybe Tim Walls not being out there because. Because of what they've done to him here. You know, I. I feel bad for that guy because he's actually a very nice human being, you know?
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C
Yeah.
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D
But, yeah, I wish they were out there side by side with us because it would really make a difference if some of them were out with us.
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C
Them being the politicians or the police.
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D
The cops, the politics. The cops were there all day. There's. There were. There were eight cop cars parked there all day. They sat in their car and watched everything that happened. When I left, everything went totally haywire. There was. So there's. I don't know if you know this, but there's three Native American people that were. Were detained, I believe, two days ago, and they only found one of them when they came to pick them up because it's illegal for them to detain them, you know, and they took them off tribal land. They can't find the other two. So there's been Native American Indians coming down and protesting with everybody. And there was a girl that came down later in the afternoon, and my. My daughter and I were going to leave, but I was watching her. She'd sit down by the protesters, get up and do, like, some dancing, and then go towards the federal property and sit on the federal property and then get back up and go back. Well, the last time she went forward, a couple agents came down, like four of them. And I don't know if they. I wasn't. I didn't see the whole thing happen, but I saw probably half the protesters go towards the federal land. And I was like, oh, shit, here we go, right? They got on the federal land and the feds came down, probably.
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C
I don't.
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D
60, 70 of them. And I felt compelled to go back towards my daughter. We had to get back for this. But I felt compelled to go back with my megaphone and try and get them to back us, to back up the protesters. I. I was talking to the protest, and I made sure to say that I wasn't talking to ice. I was trying to tell the protesters to move back because a lot of the protesters that came out, whether it was because of what they saw me do or because of their own, you know, sure, they were not prepared for this type of thing. You know, I've been down there a few times. I know what they've been doing. So I saw lots of people get really badly injured. There are medics there that are volunteering their time. But I had to go back into the crowd to ask for medics because the people didn't listen. I was trying to tell them to move back. Like, you can stay and do it peacefully and they won't do much. They might come out, try scare tactics or whatever, but they always back up. They don't do anything. They don't take anybody. But as soon as you go off the sidewalk, across the street or wherever, you know, on that property over by the sidewalk, on the other side of the street, once you enter the street, they get more aggressive. And they also have drones flying overhead watching what's going on. So they single people out, they know who they're going to grab. They don't just randomly grab anybody most of the time. Most of the time they chase people through the crowd, but on the way through the crowd, they'll punch you they'll knock you over, they don't care. They just run right through everybody like your bowling pins. And people are on the ground. I know the guy from Idaho got knocked over and punched in the side twice. They didn't detain him. That's all they did to him.
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C
So thuggish. So, yeah, there was.
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D
Right. There was one girl that got knocked down. She was bawling. She hit her head on the concrete and they grabbed her by the leg and dragged her all the way across the dam road onto the federal land and detained her over there. And she was injured, she was hurt, she was crying. There was no reason to even detain her because she didn't do anything wrong. People were maced, pepper balled again. You know, this is all stuff the federal judge ordered not to happen anymore. You know, the piece, the. The protesters are peaceful all day. And this is the thing. So when I was walking to my car after I got more medics and after I got. There's the people. The girl that got detained, she's from St. Cloud, which is probably an hour and a half north of here. I had to help them because there is. There is an. The attorneys guild is down there to help people. They're the only ones that can get in the building to check on people. So they, when somebody gets detained, they try to find somebody involved that was with them so they can get their phone number and everything else and then they can get in the building and talk to the people and figure out what's going on. So I had to find them. The crowd was pretty. Not ruckus because these were not the type of people that were causing huge problems. These are people like me. A lot of the people are like me that are down there. The most ruckus guy that was down there was the woke farmer, I think. Is that what his name is?
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C
I don't know. I don't know.
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D
The woke farmer. He calls himself the woke Farmer. He was down there. He. He gets involved because he's at all the protests all over the country and he gets riled up. But. But he's already been arrested twice while he's been here. And they told him if he gets on the, if he goes onto the. The street, he's going to get a felony and he doesn't want a felony. So he has not been going on the street. But he's very loud and he gets pretty riled up. But I know exactly what happened. So as I was walking to my car, I saw CBS News set up. Well, we all know what's going on with CBS News. Right.
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C
So a big breaking report on, on the internal bleeding of the guy that killed Renee. Good? Oh yeah, I think it was in the trigger finger.
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D
Isn't that awesome?
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C
Yeah. Hemorrhoids, you think? I thought it was in the trigger finger, the internal bleeding. I don't know.
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D
The report up here is that he has. It was bleeding. Hemorrhoids is what?
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C
Hemorrhoids.
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D
That's what I heard. Yeah. So anyway, CBS News was there and all week when CBS News shows up and they start recruit recording, they get the propaganda, you know, it's the propaganda machine now. It's Donald Trump's propaganda machine. So what happens is all these guards come out cause ruckus, beat people up, do whatever they're doing, maze people. Then they go back onto the property and they all line up almost like you would see in Star wars in Rose. And they break apart in the middle and guess who comes out? Bavino comes out in his SS trench coat every single time.
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E
And then they come home, they start doing shit again. So I was fighting with the CBS News people because they are the cause.
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D
Of what just happened. The people there were very peaceful all day long. I was there from noon till almost 6 o' clock and there was only one incident and that's when those guys touched the car, which that shouldn't happen either because they were just trying to tell those guys to slow down.
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C
Yeah, right.
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D
They just pounded on the window and said knock it off. Yeah, that's all that happened. And they took those four guys, they're not even detained there.
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E
They sent them out to another detention.
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D
Center in another state and they're from Minnesota.
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C
Really?
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D
Yeah, I've talked to all four of those guys before. Yeah, they're gone. I don't know where they went, but that's where, that's what, that's what I was told by the media person that's on hand at the site.
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C
Wow.
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But every time CBS shows up, it's total anarchy because that's what they want. They want to show that to the public. And I, that's another Fox News. To me it's just opinion based bullshit.
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C
Honestly, I don't mean I'm listening to all this and it's just like, look, I used to be a Republican and I think about the, the don't tread on me flag crowd and I just, I just don't know how long people can stand this stuff. Like you hear your story, you hear this and it's like, it's very un American. So you Got these masked thugs and the little guy in the trench coat, and they're pushing women to the ground and detaining citizens. I'm just like. Every little anecdote you told me feels like it is an affront to that ethos, you know, of don't tread on me and of, you know, kind of American liberty and freedom. I'm just kind of wondering if you had any kind of last thoughts on. On that.
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D
Well, I mean, we are in America, and this, what I'm seeing out there is not American. This is not where I grew up. I mean, I grew up and it was peaceful. In fact, Minnesota is a really peaceful, nice place. Always rated, what, one of the top places to live. And I mean, it's a great place to be. But then these guys show up and it's not anymore. And I mean, it sucks.
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C
Yeah. Do you grow up there?
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D
I grew up in Minnesota, Yeah. I was born here in Minneapolis. Yeah. All right.
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C
I love that accent. You got like a kind of a hardscrabble Minnesota accent. You know, some of the Minnesotans have a little bit of a soft, kind of lilty.
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D
My voice is very hoarse from being tear gassed all week, basically. Like I said, I've never been in this situation before. I've never had tear gas. I've never been shot with any of this stuff. So to me, this is all new. But now, at first I was kind of scared, but now I'm used to it. And whatever it is, what it is, I'm. I'm gonna. I'm gonna keep being out there for people. This is ridiculous. It's got to stop. It's. I don't know what it's going to take to make it stop. I mean, you guys thankfully gave me a face. I don't seek out attention. I didn't seek out that interview. I know there's some people out there looking to interview and stuff. I wasn't trying to do that. He just wanted to follow me around and talk to me. And I was just flying off the cuff. And I was kind of pissed at the moment as well, you know. Oh, man, you guys gave me a face. And I'm trying to jump start a platform to help this cause, you know.
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And happy to do it, man. It was worth it. And look, you. What you said resonated with people because it was raw and real, and we are pissed. And these guys are a bunch of. And it's good to see folks out there who, you know, have just had enough.
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D
Yeah, it's going to take the everyday Average American to stand up for this to happen. And I think that would be their biggest fear, is that more people come out of the suburbs to try to help out, because they don't attack the suburbs. You know, it's. They might send a car out to pick up a guy here or there, but they don't, you know, they're not causing anarchy out here. So people think out of sight, out of mind. It's not happening, you know. Yeah, it's not like the whole state of Minnesota is on fire. It's just certain areas. But once you insert yourself into it, you start to see what's really going on out there. And it's wrong. Whether you live where I live or whether you live right in the middle of it. It's wrong no matter what. You know, this is a humanitarian thing as far as I'm concerned. It's not about right or left anymore. It's not political at all. It's 100% about right and wrong. You have to have some morals, you know, you have to have some conviction of some sort. So that's why I'm out there, man.
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C
I appreciate you very much. Keep us posted. Some of these anecdotes that you're getting from just actually talking to the people that are coming out of the detention center are real and important news. And it sounds like some of the so called news outlets that are out there aren't doing those interviews. We'd love for you to keep us posted on all that as you're hearing more of these stories. I only appreciate you. Appreciate your fire and good luck out there, brother. Stay safe. Stay safe.
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D
All right. Yeah, I'd love to keep in touch with you guys.
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C
All right, sounds good. All right, we'll be talking to you then. That's. That's Chris Ostrushko out there in Minneapolis. We'll play. We'll play as great as heads one more time on the way out for everybody and we'll be back here soon. All right? All right.
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D
Thank you.
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E
This is nuts. This is fucking.
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D
Yeah.
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E
And you're right in the middle of this. What the is going on, dude? This is insane.
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D
Have you ever gone out to these.
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E
Sort of things before, ever? Never. I've never protested in my life.
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D
My brother.
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E
My brother's here. He does it all the time. I've never. I got. Dude, I. Like I said, I'm far enough away, but close enough, and I sit in my cushy house and look at and get mad and I. Yeah, they're just trying to scare people and you know. But, but, but why shoot people? My no, you know what really pisses me me off is the fact that they detain people, cuff them and then still beat the out of them. They tell you it's immigrants. Only immigrants. It's anybody. I I have friends that got detained and all they were doing was driving home from work. What the Sounds like you don't fit.
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D
The definition of the I'm not paid.
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To be here like everybody says. What the is that? I gotta work in the goddamn morning just like everybody else. I'm just here trying to stand up for community. Dude, we're all human beings here. I don't give a who you are, where you came from, what color you are, it doesn't matter. This is wrong.
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