B (3:27)

I mean, maybe someday he could. Yeah, I mean, there, there's, or, you know, someone with similar politics. You know, the, you know, will he start going on Megyn Kelly? He's, he's not gonna go on Ben Shapiro. I mean, Ben Shapiro is no fan of his, but I think, you know, it's. Maybe not even.

A (3:41)

Maybe he will. Maybe Ben Shapiro might do it and just be like, I'm going to argue with you and they'll just argue, right? I don't know.

B (3:47)

Yeah, I, I mean, I think the, there was a pretty good taboo on, you know, praising Hitler, questioning the Holocaust, that, that even persisted on the Right. And so, and as you said, I mean, it is a little silly on one hand to be saying, Tucker, now you've done it, now the Republicans are all going to be Nazis. When Trump did dine with him, although, you know, on the other hand, that was treated as a huge disaster. And, you know, all these Republicans were saying, how could this possibly happen? Trump had to disown him or kind of distance himself from it. So I do think, I mean, this is where this is sort of the latest triumph for Nick Fuentes, unfortunately, particularly after Charlie Kirk's assassination. He's been on a real string. There's this big TikTok trend of young women who will be listening to Fuentes and saying, you know, you know, this guy might make some good points or something. Or you have these kind of more mainstream podcast hosts playing it and saying, you know, they say this guy's crazy, but, you know, maybe he's not so crazy on this issue. So, yeah, I think it's just kind of his growth. I mean, you know, on the other hand, you know, you're saying, let me.

A (4:46)

Let me do the other hand for that because you referenced this, but like, we're like, oh my God, it's. It's like super disturbing. And it is that this guy who is a Hitler apologist and a not neo Nazi and hates. Openly hates Jews and super disturbing that he's ascending to these heights and getting these followers and he's really opening the door. And yet in like the past month, we had a story where these young Republicans were like sending texts to each other being like, I got, you know, what was, what was the. It wasn't them who said, I have a Nazi streak. That was the Trump appointee who said, paul and gracious who said I had a Nazi trick. But these guys were, you know, talking about, you know, Hitler and stuff on text. It's clear that there's a thread of this that's in the movement that exists, and French is the embodiment of it.

B (5:32)

Yeah, I mean, I think it's very real that that kind of Gen Z or younger millennial group of, you know, maybe millennials in general. I won't exempt my own generation from this. I think the kind of younger crop of Republican operatives clearly has a ton of groiperism going on or, you know, being this kind of. Even if they aren't saying specifically, you know, I am following Nick Fuentes. I mean, there's a lot of quasi joking around about Hitler and Jews and. And, you know, we can look at the Doge staffer who got caught with making these similar comments and ultimately they hired him back. There were all of these instances that keep coming up. I mean, there was some.

A (6:09)

One.

B (6:09)

Someone tweeted at me about some Republican, you know, staffer and at the state level. And this is getting so common now that I was just like, you know, I can't cover it. It's the state level, you know, I'll be, you know, we'll be playing whack a mole.

A (6:21)

I was going to say, you could spend much of your day probably unearthing really rancid social media posts of mid to low level Republicans that are basically like, you know, Hitler, he had some good ideas. Or like, I got like a little Hitler and me. And then, you know, that's just like, that's just the way it's going to be not to. And I just don't want this to be confused. I'm not diminishing Nick Fuentes. I do think there's something significant about Tucker saying, or at least not challenging the guy. The other thing that happened, though, is that today, and this is. This was a little bit more surprising, I suppose. The guy who heads up Heritage, the. The conservative think tank, Kevin Roberts, puts out a video in which he responds to. I guess there was a bunch of calls that Heritage distance itself from Tucker crossing over the Nick Fuentes interview. So I didn't realize there was calls for Heritage distance itself from Tucker. But whatever. This guy, Kevin Roberts, who you might remember from the Project 2025 bugaboo, over the campaign, he puts out this video. It's 2 hours and 2 hours. It's 2 minutes and 40 seconds. I don't know if we're going to play it all, but let's play some of it. We will always defend America and we will always defend our friends against the slander of bad actors who serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains, and as I have said before, always will be a close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him are sewing division. Their attempt to cancel him will fail. All right, so, like, I have some thoughts on this, but what were your initial thoughts about this?

B (7:57)

Sure. So, I mean, you know, this is Heritage. This is one of sort of the pillars of movement and conservatism. They were sponsoring Tucker's show. They had this donation page where you would go to, you know, if you. He'd give the plug on the show and then you go and donate, they'd say, we're so proud to be partners with Tucker. And then earlier this week, after the Fuentes interview came out, they edited that and removed. So if you went to heritage.org tucker it now just said, donate to the Heritage Foundation. We're proud to be in business with Tucker Carlson, things like that. And so that had prompted me to email them and say, hey, and I think a lot of other people saw this and they thought, Tucker, you know, Heritage is abandoning Tucker. And it seemed, you know, even at this age of we're not going to cancel anybody, whatever, it seemed like something that probably would have happened. And instead, not only do they not cancel Tucker, they stick with them and put out this video saying, you know, Christians can criticize Israel and a lot of things. Basically, you know, we're not going to go after people on our own side when we should be focusing on the left.

A (8:54)

It was crazy. I mean, I can't even. It's hard to imagine the Heritage foundation doing this type of messaging five years ago. It really is the globalists or the mouthpieces of Washington, they're not going to be bullied by them. It's like, you might as well put triple parentheses around that. They talk about not taking directions from the donor class, focusing on our adversaries on the left, not attacking our friends on the right. That's like classic Republicanism these days. Tucker always will be a close friend of Heritage. Always. Like, is there nothing Tucker can do that would, like, make you disavow the guy? I mean, there's got to be something. It really stood out to me in a way that, like, I don't know, it just very much the rhetoric of the moment of the right from Kevin Roberts there.

B (9:42)

You know, one thing I would point out here is that, you know, there is also the Charlie Kirk of it, all, right? Because Nick Fuentes was Charlie Kirk's arch enemy. In the case of Heritage, they in their Capitol Hill office had a giant 10 story banner. Don't forget Charlie Kirk. The lessons of Charlie Kirk. We miss him so much. Now they're paying because they're sponsoring this show. They're paying to platform a guy who not only was Charlie Kirk's arch enemy years ago, but, but up until basically the day he died. And since then has been saying, well, you know, I think Erica Kirk is a plant. This is some weird setup or saying. I mean, he was saying that just the vilest things about Charlie Kirk. And so the. And now I guess they're fine with that.

A (10:23)

Well, I thought your theory, I think your theory of the case that you put in the piece is probably the one that I ascribe to too, which is that they're just big old. And I'm going to say it because they don't want to get the backlash that will come if you offend people like Carlson or if you offend people like Dick Fuentes. They just don't. And so they do whatever. It's not about focusing your, you know, going after your adversaries on the left. It's about avoiding the criticisms from the right. That's what it's about. They just don't want to have to deal with the online mob.

B (10:53)

This is a phenomenon we're seeing a lot now, which is you know, people are avoiding taking stands against things they previously would have opposed. Megyn Kelly has been very reluctant to go after Fuentes or Tucker or, excuse me, or Candace Owens. Similarly, I think Tucker, you know, he tangled about a month ago with Nick Fuentes over who was a federal operative or who. Whose dad was in the CIA in Tucker's case. And then, you know, according to Fuentes, and this didn't make it in the piece, but basically, right after the CIA fight, Tucker calls Fuentes up and he says, hey, you want to come on my show? So it's clearly like Tucker gets owned here. And then he's like, oh, God, I got to get right with this guy. Get him on my show.

A (11:30)

Well, and I do think that's like a real side effect of online culture, which is that you are instantaneously going to be inundated with an online mob if they don't like you. And honestly, if you say even anodyne things, they'll. They'll come after you. And it. And it has a psychological effect on people in this business. It's kind of like audience capture where you just don't want to have to deal with that or you're afraid that you're going to lose audience. And all I can say is that as someone who takes it on the chin all the time online, me, it's good for you. You should embrace getting dunked on. It's fantastic. It's refreshing for the soul.

B (12:08)

Well, you know, Sam, if getting dunked on is good for you, you must just be doing absolutely fabulous. Look at this day out.

A (12:16)

You think that this is natural? No, this comes with people online screaming at me. It's like the greatest rejuvenation every day. I look forward to it. It's fantastic.

B (12:25)

Well, I mean, the one thing I would say here, keep in mind, I mean, Nick Fuentes is a young guy in his 20s. He basically came out of nowhere, marched in Charlottesville, all this stuff. And I think it really tells you where the Dyn are in right wing media that you have someone as big as Tucker and also an institution like Heritage. Just these sort of behemoth of the maga movement saying, oh, yikes, excuse us.

A (12:43)

Now they, Kevin Roberts did say, you know, I don't like Nick Fuentes in this video. But yeah, you're absolutely right. It's like they are so nervous about these little gripers who have huge followings that they bend over backwards to not look like they're not on the same page. All right, buddy, listen, thank you for this. I appreciate it appreciate you having to swim in these waters. I always say that, but it's true. You do a good service for us, so thank you for that. Everyone. Subscribe to False Flag, which is a must read newsletter. Even if I was joking, it really is a must read. Subscribe to this YouTube page where we have fun conversations like this and we'll catch you soon.