I Watched Kyiv Burn Last Night (w/ Caolan Robertson)

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Bulwark Takes – "I Watched Kyiv Burn Last Night" (w/ Caolan Robertson)

Episode Date: June 15, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (for The Bulwark)
Guest: Caolan Robertson
Summary prepared for listeners who haven’t heard the episode

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Main Theme

In this gripping episode, Tim Pool welcomes journalist and conflict reporter Caolan Robertson for an urgent update from Kyiv following a devastating Russian missile and drone assault on Ukraine’s capital – an attack which notably targeted a thousand-year-old UNESCO monastery. Pool and Robertson discuss the symbolic and real impact of the Russian strategy, exposing Kremlin hypocrisy and highlighting the human cost. The conversation also shifts to the West’s continued indirect support for Russia through trade, especially Ireland’s alumina exports, revealing layers of complicity and uncomfortable truths about European neutrality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. On-The-Ground Account: Kyiv Under Attack

[01:34 – 02:15] Caolan Robertson’s Live Report from Kyiv

• Robertson describes being on location during a nighttime missile strike targeting a historic monastery.
• “There’s a priest behind me right now. He’s trying to save a cross because this building… was hit by Russian missiles. You can see… police officer… looking out for missiles and drones…” (Caolan Robertson, 01:34)
• Firefighters are risking their lives to save the building and its sacred relics while priests try to rescue religious artifacts.
• The emotional weight: “I actually can’t believe that I’m witnessing this right now… They were trying to save the West in some ways. They were sort of trying to save this history that we have.” (02:07)

2. The Symbolic Attack on Christianity & Historical Heritage

[02:32 – 05:34] Discussion of Russia’s Targeting of the Lavra Monastery

• The Lavra monastery, a UNESCO World Heritage site, dates back a thousand years and houses catacombs with Orthodox saints.
• Zelensky called the attack “one of Russia’s most serious crimes against Christian culture to date.” (Tim Pool, 04:08)
• “This is what Putin’s holy war actually looks like.” – Caolan Robertson, denouncing Russia’s claims of defending Christian values (02:32)
• Russia’s actions stand in stark contrast to their propaganda: “A moral country does not do what it did last night. Russia is behaving like a country that is demonic, honestly.” (Robertson, 05:34)
• Tim Pool shares his Catholic upbringing, adding a personal note to the significance of the attack on religious sites (05:21).

3. The Atmosphere in Kyiv: Heightened Danger, Fatigue, but Defiance

[06:57 – 07:39] and [13:01 – 13:50] Life in Kyiv and Serbian Resilience

• Ukraine is gaining ground militarily, which makes Russia more desperate and leads to increasing attacks on civilian infrastructure.
• “Life is more unpleasant right now in Ukraine… things are getting more dramatic. There are more missiles entering the city. It was 611 drones last night, it was 61 missiles as well.” (Robertson, 07:39)
• Despite exhaustion and fear, Ukrainians hold onto a sense that the tide is turning, even as the violence intensifies: “It’s kind of hopeful, but it’s… scared as well.” (Robertson, 13:45)

4. Physical Danger & The Role of Journalism

[13:56 – 15:52] Robertson’s Risky Documentation

• Robertson describes going out to film attacks during air raids, highlighting the risks to civilians and himself (metal fragments landing on his roof, 14:19).
• “I want to show people what’s actually happening here… Russia doesn’t like people with phones going out and filming the aftermath… but it’s worth it because people should know what's happening here.” (Robertson, 15:16)
• Tim expresses concern for Robertson’s safety, echoing a mother’s worry.

5. Western Complicity: Ireland’s Export of Alumina to Russia

[15:52 – 19:22] Investigation into Irish Support for Russia’s War Effort

• Robertson reveals that Ireland continues to export alumina, used for aluminum production crucial to Russia’s war machine.
• “Exports of alumina… have increased dramatically… there’s a refinery… supplying Russia with a huge amount of raw material... Every single month, 14 ships leave an estuary in the west coast to Saint Petersburg directly, and there’s no excusing it.” (Robertson, 16:36)
• Irish politicians “had no answers as to why this was happening because they were all paid off… happy to sort of only support Ukraine in name only.” (Robertson, 16:36)
• Tim and Caolan both note the hypocrisy, drawing parallels to Irish condemnation of Israeli actions while simultaneously fueling Russia’s aggression (Tim Pool, 18:45).

6. National Mythology vs. Reality: Irish Neutrality

[19:22 – 20:28] Exposing the Myth of Neutrality

• “Ireland likes to pride itself on being politically neutral. Right? But they’re not… they are exporting the raw material for weapons every single two days… They did this during World War II as well.” (Robertson, 19:22)
• Candid discussion on uncomfortable truths about Irish history, neutrality, and complicity — past and present.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Russia's Hypocrisy:
  “A Christian country doesn’t bomb churches like it did last night. A Christian country also doesn’t have the same rates of abuse like Russia has.”
  — Caolan Robertson, 09:44

• On the Value of Journalism:
  “For me, the most important thing that you can possibly do as a journalist is to pick up a microscope or a magnifying glass and highlight something that’s happening… that’s the best thing about journalism. Right?”
  — Caolan Robertson, 21:04

• On Living in Kyiv:
  “I live right in the top floor of the highest apartment here in Kyiv… Two of my windows were blown out. You know, it’s really getting to a point of madness.”
  — Caolan Robertson, 07:39

• On Endurance and Hope:
  “Ukrainians in some way kind of have this gleeful moment knowing that the tide is turning on the front, but they also know that things are going to get darker before they get better.”
  — Caolan Robertson, 13:01

• On the Universal Challenge of Calling Out Complicity:
  “The first step to getting change is forcing people to understand that they are complicit, whether that’s fully intentionally or not, in Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine.”
  — Tim Pool, 20:28

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:34 – Robertson’s live reporting from missile strike in Kyiv
• 02:32 – Discussion on the attack as an assault on Christian culture and heritage
• 04:54 – The broader context: Russia’s military setbacks and desperate escalation
• 06:57 – Everyday life in Ukraine under relentless bombardment
• 13:01 – Ukrainian morale: between hope and exhaustion
• 13:56 – Graphic dangers of documenting war; the risks journalists take
• 15:52 – Ireland’s alumina exports to Russia and political hypocrisy
• 19:22 – The fiction of Irish neutrality, both now and historically
• 21:04 – Reflections on the importance and goal of journalism

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a raw, first-person look at the ongoing war in Ukraine, peeling back not only the military realities but also exposing the moral and political contradictions of Russia’s self-image and Western complicity. With Robertson’s fearless reporting, the conversation leaves listeners acutely aware of the stakes – both for Ukrainians’ survival and the world’s conscience.

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[Tim Pool]

Hey everybody, it's Tim Mo from the Bulwark. I'm welcoming back to the channel Calen Robertson. I'm sure you know him on YouTube, various social media accounts. He's been covering the war in Ukraine from Kiev. And last night Russia was launching hundreds of drones and missiles at Ukraine's biggest cities, including Kiev, and most notably attacked a monastery. One of the Eastern Christianity's holiest sites, church and a monastery. And the scene from last night was pretty horrific. I was watching Kalyn there early in the early hours of the morning and so I want to play that for you guys, then we'll get him on the other side.

[Kalan Robertson (on location in Ukraine)]

So there's a priest behind me right now. He's trying to save a cross because this building, which is almost a thousand years old, was hit by Russian missiles. You can see the police officer right behind me is looking out for missiles and drones which are also coming into the city. I never thought I'd make a video like this, but it's 4 o' clock in the morning here in Ukraine. There are firefighters everywhere trying to put out the flames from a building that is burning right now behind me. And I actually can't believe that I'm witnessing this right now. And everyone is on edge. You know, these firefighters are putting their lives at risk just to try and save this building. So priests here are trying to save

[Kalan Robertson]

artifacts and trying to save things that

[Kalan Robertson (on location in Ukraine)]

are sacred as well.

[Kalan Robertson]

Then some bullets just. I don't know how to explain it.

[Kalan Robertson (on location in Ukraine)]

Sorry. The reason that I came here right now to make this video is because this is actually the war that Russia is waging on this civilized world. It's nothing to do with land or territory.

[Kalan Robertson]

And even though right now it's still

[Kalan Robertson (on location in Ukraine)]

super dangerous, I came here for a very specific reason.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this.

[Kalan Robertson]

This isn't faith. When Moscow talks about faith, they mean destruction. This, this is actually what Putin's holy war actually looks like.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Kalin, what, what did you see there? And give us an update on what's happening.

[Kalan Robertson]

Well, it feels like things are getting worse in lots of ways. Russia have decided that being more desperate than they ever have been and they started to specifically attack places of worship, Monasteries. Right. And at the exact same time that they bring Andrew Tate, Candace Owens, the far right, that sort of who's who, and pretending that this the sort of bastions of free speech, the bastions of morality, of Christianity, they are bombing a thousand year old churches. Honest to God, I have never seen anything like this. In terms of what I saw last night walking know at 1:30am to 2am in the morning, seeing a church literally on fire was, it was shocking. And knowing that this is, this is all intentional and it's because Russia wants to instill as much fear as possible for everyone here living in Ukraine. But I mean this is like completely flies in the face of everything that they pretend to be, right. Russia pretends to be sort of based in Christian and sort of like a nationalist country. And then they put missiles into literal churches. I mean I was interviewing priests last night and they were running for their lives and they were holding, you know, crucifixes, trying to save them. And it was like they were trying to save the west in some ways. They were sort of trying to save this history that we have. And this is a UNESCO stated building as well. I mean this was like unlike anything I've ever seen in my life. It was, it was shocking.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Zelensky called the assault on the Lavra one of Russia's most serious crimes against Christian culture to date. The monastery, as you mentioned, dates back a thousand years. I didn't know. This houses extensive catacombs where Orthodox saints are buried. So you know, obviously a missile attacking a church in any situation like this is not a, you know, a military target. You know, this is not, you know, within, you know, the bounds of war and the international rule of law when it comes to war. But in particular to go after Lavra, this like historic monastery and church where, you know, they have all these saints and relics, it does seem an intentional assault on Ukrainian culture and history as well as the Christian church.

[Kalan Robertson]

Yeah. And right now Russia isn't winning on the front lines. Russia is losing. Russia is humiliated. Russia asked for permission to hold a Victory Day protest that they weren't given. You know, moving forward, they were. They just had to cancel Russia Day. So they're lashing out right now, and they're trying to massacre as many people as possible. And it's very obvious here, but also, you know, it really is the opposite of everything that Russia puts out. This was. You know, I'm not religious myself at all. I'm sure that maybe you're not either.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, okay. Don't assume. I got my Regis Jesuit cert on, okay? I went to. I went to Jesuit high school, all right? I'm a cradle Catholic. My mother. My mother was bringing me to church. It's a little tough for me these days. But, you know, I still. You can still have respect.

[Kalan Robertson]

We both went to church, so we both kind of understand, like, the value of what the church represents. But watching the beautiful sort of like, gold dome buildings here on. Under. Under threat, like they are now on fire is a scene that I never thought possible, is a scene that I never thought would be unfolding in front of my own eyes. But this is. But this is what Russia represents now. It represents desperation. You know, Russia is not losing on the battle, is not winning on the battlefield in this country right now. And so they are lashing out and they are trying to terrify everyone here. And this is, like, really clutching at straws. This is. This is insane. And at the exact same time, again, the fact that they're inviting, you know, the who's who of the far right, pretending that they're very base, pretending that they are sort of like the pinnacle of. Of morality. You know, a moral country does not do what it did last night. Russia is behaving like a country that is demonic, honestly. Really. I mean, putting missiles into a church is demonic, really. It is. And watching a church that's a thousand years old, older than Moscow, by the way, on fire is really unprecedented. So. And I think we're going to be seeing more of this, honestly. You know, I've just arrived back here in Ukraine from. From Ireland, and, you know, things are getting worse here in terms of the terrorism from Russia, but I think that they're going to get worse before they get better. I mean, it's just, like, insane.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, talk about what else you're seeing, like, what is happening on the ground. I mean, again, like, I feel like we do this all the time. We check in with you and, you know, it's hard for us in America to Kind of follow the day to day of the war and kind of get a sense for what life is like, you know, in the major cities in Ukraine, across Ukraine. Like we were talking to, oh man, I forget who I had on the podcast the other day. They're talking about the progress which Ukraine is making on the battlefield that you referenced. And like the progress and putting pressure on Russia with the various drone developments and other military advancements. But like, that's only one part of the war. The other part is, you know, continuing to have the resolve and continuing to be able to live your life. And like, I'm just, just wondering kind of what that is like in Kyiv right now.

[Kalan Robertson]

Well, life is more unpleasant right now in Ukraine. Even though Ukraine is winning on the battlefield in lots of ways, it puts Russia in a very difficult position because again, they're not winning in terms of territory. Russia lost more ground in the last six months than they ever have since 2022. And so this is a real turning point and you can really feel it. But you can also feel it in terms of every day things are getting more dramatic. There are more missiles entering the city. It was 611 drones last night it was 61 missiles as well. I mean, this is like, you know, I live right in the top floor of the highest apartment here in Kyiv and it, you know, it was, it was incredibly loud. Two of my windows were blown out. You know, it's like it's really getting to a point of madness. But this is kind of expected in terms of a state that can only be described as desperate right now. So I think that's what Russia is. And Russia feels cornered, right? And that's why they're, they're wheeling out Steve Wickham. That's why they're wheeling out every single asset they possibly can because they're clutching at straws and it's why they're lashing out like they are right now. I mean, this is really unprecedented. It's shocking.

[Tim Pool]

You mentioned kind of like the hypocrisy is noted. And I just think it's worth noting, especially given that it's within the remnant of what I'm covering in American politics too. You have these so called America first kind of podcasters and pundits, the Candace Owens of the world, the Tuckers. Putin just welcomed many of them, as you mentioned, to Russia. Like one of their big talking points is that, you know, Putin is a defender of traditional Christian values, right? And like you hear a lot on these podcasts about stories of the poor Christians who are being killed by or like, you know, by the Israelis or the fact that, like the Ukrainians are anti church and are going after the Russian Orthodox and kicking them out of Ukraine. I feel like what happened last night really kind of lays bare the truth of what Putin is and the lie of like what Candace Owens and Tucker are trying to make him seem like is some defender of traditional Christian values.

[Kalan Robertson]

Yeah. And again, everything about Russia screams hypocrisy in terms of what it tries to put out into the whole world. You know, Russia claims to be the bastion of Christianity. A Christian country doesn't bomb churches like it did last night. A Christian country also doesn't have the same rates of abuse like Russia has right now. In terms of domestic abuse is down through the roof. In Russia, violence is through the roof. Degeneracy is down through the roof. But I mean, this is a country that is putting out the opposite in terms of its values, of what it actually represents. It's an insane time. But really, Russia feels right now more desperate than ever. I think what they're doing here in Ukraine, you can really feel it is the opposite of every single value that they're pretending to represent. And it's, I feel like it's coming to an end. You know, they're trying to recruit soldiers at an unprecedented rate in Moscow, paying them $60,000 as a sign up fee. Same thing in St. Petersburg. The fact that they invited Andrew Tate, the fact that they invited every single one of these people to St. Petersburg shows that they are desperate to project an image that they are a roaring bear, that they're successful, and also that they're like a base Christian country. And they're, they're, you know, they're showing that they're the opposite right here.

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[Tim Pool]

Were there other Ukrainians out last night? I mean, have you spoken to anybody today? As the day goes on? I'm just kind of wondering, you know, how the people of Ukraine can continue to kind of process like these atrocities and, you know, it has to wear on them over time.

[Kalan Robertson]

It does wear on people, honestly. People here are tired and people here are worried. You know, Zelensky put out a video two weeks ago and said, please, please, God, listen to the air raid alerts because they should be taken seriously, right? And people are, you know, nine people died last night here in the city and it's getting incredibly serious. So it's a worrying time. You know, Ukrainians in some way kind of have this gleeful moment knowing that the tide is turning on the front, but they also know that things are going to get darker before they get better on the front lines. And things are going to get pretty ugly, I think, before Russia is balkanized or economically destroyed, which could very well happen. It's a weird time, honestly. I've never really seen Ukraine like this before. It's kind of hopeful, but it's. It's kind of scared as well. Really. It's a weird time.

[Tim Pool]

What are you supposed to do when the air raid sirens go off? Like, what are you doing when the air raid sirens go off?

[Kalan Robertson]

I go out and film everything that's happening to show what's going on. But that's not advice, really. You know, a massive missile fragment. I mean, I'll show you. You know, this is it. Also, you know, one of the major things that can actually get you killed here is the fact that things like this fall from the sky. This is a huge piece of metal, probably made in Ireland, actually, with the aluminum that landed on my roof last night.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Kalan Robertson]

This is from Russia, fired in and this caused a huge bang. These things are actually what can really get you killed here. And it's super, super, super dangerous, but there's a lot of stuff.

[Tim Pool]

So you went up to the roof to grab that?

[Kalan Robertson]

Yeah, I heard a massive bang and then saw this land. But this is kind of what the threat is here as well. It's fragments landing on your head and things like this. I mean, it's really. It's really quite appalling. I mean, this looks also like kind of like Soviet era. You know, if you look at the cabling, the wires, it's kind of old school, but it's also quite dark and quite ugly in the way that it's built and designed. I mean, these things are really. Are really kind of appalling. But, yeah, it shows that this is kind of the real risk that people have to live with. And there are people here with children, you know, in prams. I just watched people going to primary school, you know, and this is. This stuff is what's landing from the sky. It's insane.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry to be a standard for your mother here, but shouldn't you be going into a bunker rather than onto the roof when missiles are firing into.

[Kalan Robertson]

I guess so. But I also want to show people what's actually happening here. I want to show what Russia is really doing and I want to show the fact that this is indiscriminate evil against civilians every single day. And Russia doesn't like people with phones going out and filming the aftermath of the strikes of the. They organize. And I want to be one of those people that shows the world what's happening. So, yes, it's super dangerous. My mom is very annoyed at me for doing this, but it's worth it because people should know what's happening here. I mean, this is a war crime. On an hourly basis.

[Tim Pool]

I recall who I was talking to about the Ukrainian advancements in the war, Zan Applebaum, who had the great article about it in the Atlantic, and she was on the podcast last week. We were also talking about your reporting in Ireland, about how, despite the increasing concern about Russian aggression from the EU and the increasing. We've seen, I think, resolve from other European countries and supporting Ukraine, there still are these weird examples where European countries are funding Russia through various Companies, be it oil, natural gas or what you were talking about in Ireland, which is steel. So talk to us about the reporting you're doing and what you saw in Ireland.

[Kalan Robertson]

I mean, this is one of the most depressing reports I've ever made in my whole life. You know, I normally go to Ireland to visit my mum and maybe have an uncomfortable conversation with a relative about my life choices. Right. This is like a place to escape war. But war has reached Ireland because since the full scale invasion, exports of alumina, which is the white powder that makes aluminum, a fundamental part of war, have increased dramatically. And that's because there's a refinery that's owned on the west coast of Ireland, the last place you'd ever expect to see Russian language or Russian words. And they are supplying Russia with a huge amount of raw material that's needed for this war. And so I decided to arrive to highlight this, to expose this, to really make a huge scene about this. And it was incredibly depressing, honestly, as an Irish person knowing the fact that Russia can't win this war alone. Russia needs friends and needs allies and it has them in its supply chain in places like Ireland. And, you know, Ireland does a great amount of talk right now about help for Ukraine, about supporting Ukraine, about how many refugees they've taken. But every single month, 14 ships leave an estuary in the west coast to Saint Petersburg directly, and there's no excusing it. And every single politician that I spoke to directly about this had no answers as to why this was happening because they were all paid off. They were, they were happy to sort of only support Ukraine in name only. And it was honestly shocking to see. I mean, really, as an Irish person, it was one of the most humiliating things I've ever had to report on.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it was amazing to me when I was watching it, like how unapologetic the local politicians were and the people involved in the, you know, facility were like, you would have thought that at least be some shame about it.

[Kalan Robertson]

No, because there isn't that much political pressure to stop what Russia's doing. So Irish people, Irish politicians, ministers, are fairly happy to support what's going on. Look, there's lots of hypocrisy about Israel as well.

[Kalan Robertson (on location in Ukraine)]

Right.

[Kalan Robertson]

You know, Ireland was very anti Israel. I don't take a huge position on that. I was just highlighting what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this was interesting. Yeah. Regardless what your view is on Israel's behavior, and I think there's appropriate reasons to protest Israel and the appropriate reasons to have views about bds, but to sit there and say, okay, no, we have to take a hard line on not supporting any Israeli products because of what they're. The war. Because of how they're prosecuting the war in Gaza, and then to simultaneously say, hey, we are sending equipment back. We're sending material back to Russia that is being used to firebomb Kyiv. I think it's fair to point out the hypocrisy there.

[Kalan Robertson]

Oh, totally. Yeah, completely. As well, also, there's a slight issue in Ireland where sort of criticism of Israel becomes quite anti Semitic as well. Right. It becomes about Jewish people and, like, it feels uncomfortable, and it's an uncomfortable thing that happens in Ireland. And I really don't agree with it. So it's like a. It's like a huge issue. But also, you know, Ireland likes to pride itself on being politically neutral. Right? But they're not politically neutral at all because they are exporting the raw material for weapons every single two days on ships to St. Petersburg. And they did this during World War II as well. You know, this is like, outrageous to say as an Irish person. No one likes to say this as an Irish person, but actually, you know, the ambassador to Ireland back in the 1930s was kind of pro Hitler. And in some ways, Ireland likes to pride itself on being neutral about these issues. But we're happy to watch the rise of fascism in Europe rise overwhelmingly and are now happy to facilitate the exact same thing. And again, a lot of Irish people don't want to talk about this. It's very uncomfortable. But it should be talked about. It's real and it's. It's kind of fucked up, really.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's important to be talked about because you just. People get into this place of inertia. There's a lot of things happening in people's lives. You know, they're just. They just go about their daily lives. And if no one is forcing them to have to look at what they're being a participant in, then it's never going to stop, you know. And so that's why I think it's important for you to do what you're doing in Ireland, which is just to say, okay, who knows what will happen going forward? But, like, the first step to getting change is forcing people to understand that they are complicit, whether that's fully intentionally or not in Russia's war of aggression in Ukraine.

[Kalan Robertson]

Well, that's a nice point. I mean, it feels good. Like, for me, the most important thing that you can possibly do as a journalist is to pick up a microscope or a magnifying glass and highlight something that's happening. And I think that's exactly what I wanted to do in Ireland. You know, my goal wasn't to change policy or to really have a huge global impact. It was to show the world what is going on. And that's the best thing about journalism, Right? And love it or hate it, that's kind of what we did in Ireland.

[Tim Pool]

Well, stay safe, brother. It's Kalan Robertson. You can find him on YouTube and on everywhere else. We'll put the links here in the comments and keep in touch. All right, brother?

[Kalan Robertson]

I will. Okay, cool. It was lovely chatting.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you soon.