Sam Stein (5:48)

And I want to get into the reaction in a second, but I couldn't agree more. We've created a tinderbox here, right? ICE agents show up in droves. We're talking about thousands that have come into Minneapolis. They're looking for people, they're arresting people. They're going to get protests. The protests they encounter then serve as justification for even harsher means and bigger crackdowns. And it's a terrible, terrible cycle with the specifics of this incident. Look, I, I'm gonna just channel what I'm seeing on right wing Twitter right now, which is she was gonna run him over. Like this guy was right in front of her car and she accelerated when she was told to get. Get out of the car. If I've had multiple people, my mention say, if that were, if I had done that, I would have been shot too. And my response to that is, no, you probably wouldn't have been shot. You probably would not have been shot because frankly, the officer would have taken down your license plate and you would have been, you know, dealt with in a non.

Tim Miller (6:47)

Come to your house with a knock on the door. You know, like, I got in trouble a couple times as a teen where my mother got a knock on the door. And so I was like, was that your son driving 85 in the 40? Like, like that's how you handle this sort of situation. You don't take out a gun and fucking assassinate a person.

Sam Stein (7:02)

Exactly. And I'm not. Look, who knows? In the moment you're freaking out, so you think you might get run over. It was a proactive choice to take out your gun, point it into the side window and shoot. And not just once, multiple times. And if the guy felt he was in such danger, then why did he run after the car when it crashed? Right? Like, if he Thought this person was a domestic terrorist. Why did he run after it when it crashed? Anyways, one more thing.

Tim Miller (7:28)

I just like this because why it's so pissed. Like, there is no need for this. Like, when I was on. I was in that Jubilee debate, one of the. One of the MAGA kids said to me, like, what do you want? Like, you want us to go to the door, you know, of the undocumented illegal immigrants and say, Mr. Illegal, sir, you know, you're not supposed to be in this country. Like, here's, here's, you know, a notice for removal. And I was like, My answer was, yes, that's what you're supposed to. There's no need for this going after, again, if they're violent criminals or whatever, okay? But like going after people that are in their country, this country, illegally, violently, masked, intentionally trying to screw with them and get them. And get people upset, you know, and raise tensions. That's what they're doing. Like, they're trying to raise tensions. They're. They're trolling in their messaging. They're being unnecessarily aggressive. There is no. Unless on this street. There was somebody that was a violent criminal that they were worried about. There is no need for anybody to be taking out their guns at all. This is an immigration matter. We dealt with this for hundreds of years in this country with ins, where people, you know, sent letters and came to the door and say, hey, you know, and said, you have a notice for deportation. And then if people don't leave, you can go and, you know, whatever, and, like, go and find them and kick them out. Like, you do not need masked, armed agents going into neighborhoods, menacing and scaring people. People. And that's what these are doing. And, and it was inevitable that something like this was going to happen. And it is, it is a tragedy, but is also enraging.

Sam Stein (9:00)

It's totally enraging. And, and on that note, I mean, what's also enraging is the incredible rush by the Trump administration to just absolutely gaslight about the situation. I'm going to read Trisha McLaughlin's tweet, but I'm more impressed, I should say, by Kristi Gnome statement, but this is Trisha McLaughlin. If people don't know Trisha, she's the key spokesperson for dhs. She's become somewhat notorious for just putting out utter bullshit statements that have no proximity to reality. And then people digest them in the moment because it's an official statement from a government spokesperson. And then like a couple days or weeks later, it's like, oh, wait, that had.

Tim Miller (9:39)

No.

Sam Stein (9:40)

That was not true at all. So this is what she said in her Twitter statement. ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers in. One of those violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers. That's plural. In an attempt to kill them. An act of domestic terrorism. Okay?

Tim Miller (10:05)

It's fucking ludicrous. It's just so. It's so. It's so insulting you. This person died. This is an American citizen that was murdered in our country by people that work for your agency. Have some fucking respect.

Sam Stein (10:18)

An ICE officer fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law enforcement, and safety of the public. I mean, come on, people. We just saw the video. Fired defensive shots. That's true. There were shots, multiple. I won't say they're defensive. He used the training and saved his own life and that of his fellow officers. Again, what we just saw the video.

Tim Miller (10:38)

This is a lady in a Honda Pilot. I'm sorry. Like, the idea that this is a lady driving a Honda Pilot, okay? Like, this is a suburb. This is somebody who's probably on school pickup. Like, this is crazy. Like, the idea that this person is a domestic terrorist that was trying to use her Honda Pilot to kill ICE officers is preposterous.

Sam Stein (10:56)

This last part is just the most insane. The alleged perpetrator was hit and is deceased. The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries. I don't know if you saw the video. I did. Multiple times. Not a single fucking officer was hurt. I mean, did he get hurt from, like, the gun recoiling? What are we talking about? There should be some. There should be some commitment to just a modicum of truth and humility.

Tim Miller (11:26)

Read what Noam said, though. I know we're going to play gnome.

Sam Stein (11:30)

Play gnome. And you can take gnome after this. Let's play the video.

Kristi Noem (11:33)

So a couple of questions there. You asked about a shooting that we just had in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was an act of domestic terrorism. What happened was our ICE officers were out in enforcement action. They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse weather, that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push out their vehicle, and a woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and rammed them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively, shot to protect himself and the people around him. And my understanding is that she was hit and is deceased. We're continuing to gather more information, but this goes to show the assaults that our ICE officers and our Law enforcement are under every single day. These vehicle rammings are domestic acts of terrorism. We're working with the Department of Justice to prosecute them. As such, we will continue to protect our ICE officers and in cooperation with other law enforcement agencies.

Tim Miller (12:31)

I mean, like, this stupid, like, cosplay. Like, what is she wear? Like, why is she in a fucking costume, like, making this announcement? It is. This is all. The whole thing is absurd. The ICE agents were not pushing their vehicle out of anything.

Sam Stein (12:49)

They were not video.

Tim Miller (12:52)

They're not pushing their vehicle out of the snow. No woman attacked them. People were protesting, exercising their First Amendment rights to express that they're unhappy. They. That masked thugs had invaded their neighborhood. And that is allowed in a free country. And I just. It strikes me that we. In the fallout from our coup in Venezuela, I saw a lot of accounts for the Trump administration pushing this old video of Venezuela. A Venezuelan Maduro tank, like, running over protesters in Venezuela and saying, you know, saying this is like, the kind of horrible behavior that they're. That they engage in the country. Why we need to depose Maduro. It was horrible, obviously. And it's like, that's what they're doing, I guess. It wasn't a tank running these people over, but they shot. They took out a gun and they shot and murdered protesters. We live in a free country. People are allowed to express their displeasure with ice. And to have the Department of Homeland Security dressed up like Indiana Jones telling us that we are pushing. That the ICE agents were pushing their vehicles out of an iceberg when they were just sitting on a neighborhood street is an insult. It's ridiculous.

Sam Stein (14:02)

Yeah, no, just like, little things, but they matter, right? They weren't stuck in snow. They pulled up and stopped. They tried to get this woman out of the car. She says a woman attacked them. Them, plural. Again, I don't know why. It just deeply bothers me that they kept saying them. If anything, the most generous interpretation was one officer felt he might have been run over. Okay, so it's not them. It's one, okay, Surrounding them, attempting to hit them, run them over. Vehicle rammings have become rampant. This was not a vehicle. This is not them ramming another ICE vehicle. A car trying to flee. I mean, these little, little lies, they add up and they create this alternate reality. And the sad part is, is of course it works, right? Like, let's just be honest, it fucking works because there's plenty of people out there being like, yeah, this guy had no other alternative other than to shoot in her car because she wouldn't get out. And that's just the consequences you face for when you don't respect law enforcement. And the reality is that's just not. That shouldn't be the world you live in where there's justified shootings of protesters. It just shouldn't be the world we live in. But it is. Anyways, I'm pretty heated about this one.

Tim Miller (15:16)

Yeah. I don't even know what else to say. And the whole thing is infuriating, and I just feel horrible for that woman. And I think the tragic part about this is that, you know, I expect this stuff to escalate. To be honest, I thought, looking back at last year, as horrible as it was, I thought it was I expected more violent confrontations with ICE than there ended up being. And I thought the protesters honestly acted like, with unbelievable grace and peacefulness and kind of silliness at times, whimsical, like with the costumes. And, you know, in those early days in Los Angeles, I was deeply worried that there were going to be a lot of violent conflicts with protesters that were going to lead to greater crackdowns. And I think that we avoided that for the most part in 2025. And to have this in the first week of the new year, it's just horrible behavior by ice. And this response from the administration, I think, is pretty ominous.

Sam Stein (16:15)

All right, ma', am, thank you for doing this. Appreciate you providing your thoughts. Thank you, guys for watching this. This is a tough one. We'll stay on it. If you like this stuff, subscribe to the feed. If you like this stuff. Who likes this stuff? If you appreciate our coverage of this stuff, subscribe to the feed. Thank you. And we'll talk to you later.