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JVL
Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my bulwark colleague, Tim Miller. We got some stuff coming in hot on Monday. The Vice President of these United States, J.D. vance, is just doing a masterclass in geostrategy and explaining about how this US President views wars as belonging not to America or to NATO or to our alliances, but to other people, past presidents. Joe Biden's war. Tim, should we start out by listening to JD Explaining the birds in the breeze?
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Tim Miller
I have a big rant cooked up on this one, so everybody just stick around. You got to suffer through 45 seconds of JD Vance first.
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J.D. Vance
I'm not sure that Vladimir Putin has a strategy himself for how to unwind the war. Of course, that's been going on for a few years now. And I think there's also just a little bit of. Look, there is fundamental mistrust between Russia and the West. It's one of the things the President thinks is frankly stupid, that we should be able to move beyond the mistakes that have been made in the past. But that takes two to tango. I know the President's willing to do that, but if Russia is not willing to do that, then we're eventually just going to have to say, this is not our war. It's Joe Biden's war. It's Vladimir Putin's war. It's not our war. We're going to try to end it, but if we can't end it, we're eventually going to say, you know what? That was worth a try, but we're not doing anymore.
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JVL
There it is, Tim.
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Tim Miller
What a piece of shit this guy is. Jbl. And it's just. It's truly unbelievable. Like, his condescending manner is just so unappealing to start with. But obviously that's not the substantive issue here. But you just. You can't go without mentioning it. The whole positioning he has here is just such a gift to Putin. Like, this is like the really important thing here. Like, this is JD Vance saying directly to Putin, if you keep stalling, we'll just get out of your way. You can do whatever you want. Yes, that is the message. That is the message from JD Vance here. He's saying that this war, we view this as Putin and Joe Biden's war. Why it's Joe Biden's war is unclear to me. It's just like he's just gotta take a shot at the guy, you know, off the prostate cancer diagnosis. It's like Joe Biden didn't do any. Joe Biden tried to warn Zelensky that the war was coming. That's what Joe Biden tried to do. He tried to warn them and tried to stop it. But Joe Biden, they didn't. We didn't do any. We're not omniscient. You know, like, this is like, the whole thing, it's like, oh, was the India, Pakistan, you know, conflict, Donald Trump's Kashmir conflict. Like, the whole thing is just moronic.
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JVL
You know, I mean, in fairness, Tim, Joe Biden did give weapons to Ukraine so they could defend themselves and didn't just allow them to be conquered. Whereas if Joe Biden had been Donald Trump, he would have just sat there and Vladimir Putin, Russians would own Ukraine and there wouldn't be any war.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, that's true. Vladimir Putin would be in Kiev and many more children would be kidnapped and there'd be a lot more, you know, total despotism in or in Eastern Europe, rather. So that's true, I guess, that in that sense, Joe Biden does have some accountability for trying to help Ukraine protect itself from invasion. Look, I mean, the message here, there's. There's the logical flaw and then there's the strategic flaw, even though on the strategic side, I'm not sure it's actually a flaw. It might be their intention. But on the logical flaw, it's this notion that, like, that there are these things that happened in the past, there are these disagreements between Russia and the west, and Donald Trump is willing to move on from them. He is not going to become all wrapped around the axle when it comes to the ways that, you know, Russia has tried to combat the west, interfered in our elections, invaded free democratic countries like Donald Trump's willing to let bygones be bygones and all of that.
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JVL
Currently massing troops near the border in Finland. Yeah, that's a thing that's happening, by the way.
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Tim Miller
Bygones be bygones, but it's. But Putin, if he doesn't want to let bygones be bygones, then I don't know what we can do. So that is like, the premise that is just totally flawed. Like, this notion that that was ever on the table, that Putin was ever interested in this, like, let's do happy, happy, joy, joy, and all past issues will be gone, and we'll just all live together in peace and harmony in a massive global kleptocracy where if you guys give me money and I give you money, then everything will be okay. That's not. Vladimir Putin's not motivated, like, purely by cash impulses, like Donald Trump is you can't just buy him off. We just can't just say, hey puti, we'll give you a new, you know, we'll give you a new golf course in southern Ukraine. You'll be able to make some money on that. We'll maybe do a Putin coin. You'll be able to make some money on that and then we'll call it good. Like that's not his motivations. Okay. He has hegemonic territorial motivations. Okay. Putin actually knows about history and cares about his history is wrong. But like he reads books, you know, like there's a lot of different elements. He's a very different person than Donald Trump. Okay, that's one. The second thing that is wrong is then the strategic side, which maybe it isn't wrong. Like I said, maybe he wants to just send this message to Putin, but by saying that if you don't come to the table, we're just going to give up. That's just incentivizing Putin to not to come to the table. Why would Putin come to the table now?
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JVL
Right. And this is ahead of. So today, Monday, Putin is going to have a phone call with Donald Trump. Afterwards, Trump will have a phone call. Vladimir Zelinsky. Over the weekend, Zelensky offered to meet with Putin. Putin refused. The Ukrainians have tentatively agreed to a 30 day ceasefire. Putin has not. Over the weekend, the Russians launched their largest drone and missile attack on Ukrainian territory since the first day of the invasion. So escalating. Not, not de escalating, but you're right. I mean, I think it's important to understand here. Let's, let's dispose the idea that J.D. vance doesn't know what he's doing.
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Tim Miller
Okay.
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JVL
Right.
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Tim Miller
Let's dispense with the idea. Was that the Marco revealing. Let's dispense.
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JVL
Was that the line?
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Tim Miller
Yeah, let's dispense the idea that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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JVL
J.D. vance does know exactly what he's doing. And what he's trying to do is give Russia whatever it wants in a way that appears to be America first. And so by, by saying, well, they weren't willing to negotiate with us and it's not our war. America first. We walk away. That is the way that he's trying to do what they really want, which just let Putin have whatever he wants.
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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JVL
They don't. They, they, Putin is their ally. Right. Zelinsky is not. They want Putin to have whatever he wants because they want whatever they want at home. And they are trying to normalize the idea of dictatorship. That is, that is what this is all about. And that's great, Jaden. It's the condescension from this guy who is, I'm sorry, like, he's facile, but he isn't that smart. And this, this puffed up, let me tell you. I've been studying international relations for 15 minutes and I read the entire Wikipedia entry on the Ukraine. Fuck you.
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Tim Miller
Fuck you, J.D.
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JVL
Piece of shit.
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Tim Miller
Really?
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JVL
He's such a piece of shit.
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Tim Miller
He's the worst. One more element on this, just because you mentioned the phone call. They are, they're still slightly, as you're pointing out, like they're trying to get people comfortable with this. You know, kind of like warming up the water a little bit at the time at a time, right. Kind of dipping your toe in the hot tub and like slowly getting little elements of your skin in. And, and so it's possible that after that phone call today that the Trump in Vancouver will try to spin this as, oh, we're making progress. Right? Because, like, this is. Because they know that, like, that there's still potential for backlash, right. If they just like ripped the band aid off right now. Right. That's why JD Is kind of putting the toe in the hot tub with this comment. Right. And so they still have. There's still Republicans in the Senate that want them to try to do a good faith deal and there's still, you know, people in the public.
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JVL
Right.
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Tim Miller
And so I wouldn't be surprised, who knows what will happen today. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Trump does the phone call and they try to, you know, kind of spin it as some, we're making small progress, we're making a deal, we have a sub deal or whatever. And like, that is why actually this, the Vance comments are so important this morning because Putin can almost let them do that. Right? Yeah, like, and so, like, Putin has the benefit of time now. Like J.D. vance has just said once again, they said this before, they've reiterated that, like, time is on your side if you keep kicking the can. You know, if you keep coming up with pretextual, like, post textual reasons why you can't follow, you know, the ceasefire agreement if you just, you know, you agree to something and then blame Zelensky for it. Like, the longer you do that, the more likely it is that these guys just walk away and give up. And so you're incentivizing Putin to do that. Right. And so as far as both sides are concerned, like, continuing to announce little fake deals, you know, as. And slow rolling. The abandonment is actually in everybody's interest. And so that's like, what I think is probably the most likely outcome of the call today. And I think that's important, kind of. And that's very. It's very hard, like, for NBC Nightly News to contextualize that appropriately, you know?
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JVL
Yeah, it's. This is. He's just trying to butch up. Right. So that when. When we finally walk can be like, see, see, we walked because we're showing that we're. We don't. And we won't just sit around and be ignored. We're doing it. We're abandoning through strength. That's great. All right, well, abandonment through strength, the Trump Doctrine.
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Tim Miller
That's your little taste of J.D. vance. I don't think we should make people listen to him for another day or two. That's enough, please. Enough for me.
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JVL
President in 2032. Horrible. Stay with us on the channel where we cover all the news to make you vomit.