JFK’s Grandson CLAPS BACK at “Fake” Kennedy Politics (w/ Jack Schlossberg)

Summary

Bulwark Takes: JFK’s Grandson CLAPS BACK at “Fake” Kennedy Politics (w/ Jack Schlossberg) – July 26, 2025

In this engaging episode of Bulwark Takes, The Bulwark team delves into the intersection of legacy, politics, and social media with special guest Jack Schlossberg, the grandson of President John F. Kennedy. Hosted by Tim Miller and Cameron Caskey, the discussion navigates through personal anecdotes, political strategies, and contemporary issues affecting the Kennedy legacy.

Introduction and Guest Background

The episode opens with Tim Miller introducing Jack Schlossberg, highlighting his unique position as a younger voice in a traditionally storied family. Cameron Caskey adds humor by referencing Jack’s YouTube show, Test Drive with Jack Schlossberg, emphasizing Jack’s modern approach to engaging with audiences.

Jack Schlossberg shares insights into his recent ventures:

“[00:24] Jack Schlossberg: Let's get started.”

Social Media Strategy and Political Engagement

A significant portion of the conversation centers on the utilization of social media in modern political campaigns. Tim and Cameron discuss the challenges and opportunities Democrats face in engaging younger demographics online. Jack provides his perspective on effective digital strategies, stressing the importance of authenticity and risk-taking.

Cameron Caskey critiques the Democratic Party’s hesitancy:

“[15:26] Cameron Caskey: It was like, I was like, I don't want to, like, like, this was like, what, 2023?”

Jack concurs on the need for more aggressive social media tactics:

“[20:56] Cameron Caskey: We're doing it now... like speaking directly.”

RFK Jr., Epstein Files, and Conspiracy Theories

The discussion takes a critical turn towards Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the controversies surrounding him, particularly in relation to the Epstein Files. The hosts express frustration with how legacy figures are co-opted for contemporary political agendas.

Tim Miller addresses the complexities of confronting conspiracy theories:

“[27:09] Tim Miller: Probably it works when Trump does it...”

Jack Schlossberg emphasizes accountability:

“[30:09] Cameron Caskey: That's kind of what I mean...”

The conversation highlights the tension between maintaining a respected family legacy and addressing current political misinformation.

Democrats' Social Media Challenges

The trio debates the effectiveness of Democratic strategies on platforms like TikTok and Instagram. Cameron Caskey points out the need for clear messaging and embracing new forms of communication to resonate with younger voters.

Jack Schlossberg comments on language usage:

“[40:01] Jack Schlossberg: Them calling things coded. Everything isn't something coded.”

Rapid-Fire: Gen Z Trends and Pandemic Activities

In a lighthearted segment, Tim, Cameron, and Jack engage in rapid-fire questions about Gen Z trends and activities during the pandemic.

Cameron Caskey shares personal experiences:

“[41:51] Cameron Caskey: I don't really think in terms of like, that's Gen Z.”

Jack Schlossberg humorously critiques certain trends:

“[39:53] Tim Miller: Okay, Dante, put 10 points on the screen.”

Boomer Mailbag: Social and Political Expectations

The hosts address listener questions, touching on sensitive topics like consent in Gen Z relationships and the portrayal of LGBTQ+ individuals in politics.

Old Vanilla's Question:

“Gen Z women are expected to consent to being choked and slapped during sex. Is this common or just sensationalized?”

Cameron Caskey responds thoughtfully:

“[53:23] Cameron Caskey: Is it common to be expected? I don't know.”

Closing Thoughts and Future Discussions

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the evolving nature of political engagement and the importance of leveraging digital platforms to foster meaningful change. They hint at future discussions, including a deeper dive into Hunter Biden’s defense and the broader implications of political legacy.

“[59:20] Tim Miller: Thanks for watching, folks.”

Notable Quotes

• Jack Schlossberg on social media engagement:

  “[20:56] Cameron Caskey: We're doing it now... like speaking directly.”

• Cameron Caskey on Democratic Party’s approach:

  “[15:26] Cameron Caskey: It was like, I was like, I don't want to, like, like, this was like, what, 2023?”

• Tim Miller on Gen Z activism:

  “[57:15] Tim Miller: I think young people have seen these big marches happen...”

Conclusion

This episode of Bulwark Takes offers a comprehensive look at how legacy figures like Jack Schlossberg navigate the complexities of modern politics and social media. Through candid conversations and insightful critiques, Tim, Cameron, and Jack explore the challenges Democrats face in engaging younger voters and maintaining a respected family legacy amidst contemporary political turmoil.

Whether you're a longtime listener or new to Bulwark Takes, this episode provides valuable perspectives on the evolving landscape of American politics and the role of social media in shaping public discourse.

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Cameron Caskey]

Hey, what's up?

[Narrator]

Olivia dreams big.

[Olivia]

I want to go back to school and get a pet and buy a house and save for retirement and travel the world.

[Narrator]

That's quite the list.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Thank you.

[Narrator]

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[Cameron Caskey]

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[Cameron Caskey]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

Let's get started.

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[Tim Miller]

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[Narrator]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you think that that's a natural? I mean, do you think that's a Maha Natur muscle tone from him, or do you think maybe there's some supplemental.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, I think it looks too good to be true.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true? It feels like it might be a Barry Bond situation, kind of.

[Tim Miller]

Hey, everyone. I'm Cameron Caskey.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I'm Tim Miller. And this is the Bulwarks FY Pod, where we usually only have Zoomer guests, you know, because it's the young Gen Z show. But we've made an exception for a young millennial, the bard of Gen Z. He's got a new YouTube show called Test Drive with Jack Schlossberg, where he talks to you from his van. And he is with us right now in his van. It's he himself, Jack Schlossberg. What's up, man? That name is hard to say.

[Cameron Caskey]

Hello, Schlossberg. Yes, but you nailed it.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Did I?

[Cameron Caskey]

I think I got it right the.

[Jack Schlossberg]

First time, not the second time.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, welcome to my van. So happy to have you guys inside my van.

[Jack Schlossberg]

We. I can't wait to get inside your van. We couldn't be more excited to be here with you. I want to start like this. I think I'm assuming many of our viewers like me. You kind of, like, appeared out of the ether. Maybe like, a year ago, you were posting thought posts on Instagram about how Your uncle is weird. And I was like, I like the cut of this guy's jib, but I know nothing about your life pre that, so why don't you tell us about it?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I'm so happy that you saw my videos. I hope you, like, share, comment, follow.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I don't comment because I don't want it to get awkward, but I do like and share.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, like, you kind of nailed it. Emerge from the ether. I don't really know what ether means, but I'll tell you a little bit about my life before that. I would say my life's changed a lot in the last 18 months, like since that time you're talking about and kind of coinciding with what's going on in America and how severely things have changed in that same time frame. Yeah. Before I started dancing on camera with my shirt off talking about politics, I grew up in New York and I went to college, and then I went to. I worked in Japan for a year, and then I went to law school and business school, and I did that for a really long time. Yeah, same time. Jd, mba.

[Tim Miller]

Wait, you can go to law school and business school at the same time?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. Yeah, you can. You might. You might not want to.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Are the other JD MBA people also content creators in their van?

[Cameron Caskey]

No, I think I'm the only one. No, that is what's so funny. Oh, my God.

[Tim Miller]

That.

[Cameron Caskey]

It really is like. Yeah, the pipeline. I'm trying to build a pipeline. I'm starting to start recruiting, but it's definitely a new industry for the JD mba.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Cameron dropped out of college, and so I feel like that's more normal to become a podcaster after being a failed college student than it is to be a J.D. mBA student. And then.

[Tim Miller]

Well, I'm very glad you said that, Tim, because that brings me to the first topic of today's episode, which is the airing dirty laundry topic. Yes. So I was talking to the woman who I was in love with the one semester that I was at Columbia, fall semester 2019. And she said, she said, you know, I had a big crush on Jack. So I. I started to pull women I admire in my life to see how they felt. And I have three quotes. Yeah, My best friend who said, set us up. Low key. I have my ex girlfriend who's also a contributor to the Fypod channel, who said, please tell him I'm single. And then I have my freshman year true love who said, I used to have a crush on him. So my question for you is no other ones.

[Jack Schlossberg]

That's It.

[Tim Miller]

I. I asked my mom too, and she said, he's handsome. But my question is for my freshman college girlfriend, who said she used to have a crush on you. What is your case to win her back?

[Cameron Caskey]

Let me start here. I'm sorry I let you down, whoever you are, and I know that I can do better. But, you know, I'm. I'm just questioning your sample size because I feel like we kind of look alike. We kind of have a similar. You know, maybe we attract a certain type of person who's looking for a certain type of thing. And so maybe. Maybe if we pull the broader array, you would see the many times that you would meet some of the many women who have rejected me over the years.

[Tim Miller]

I always say when you go unhinged, politics, Jew, it's hard to go back. It's really tough.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It is a. I thought you were a Catholic. Are you not a Catholic?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, well, my dad's Jewish. My mom's Catholic. Definitely raised Catholic, but in a pretty Jewish way.

[Tim Miller]

I'm a half Z tomb.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

I'm a half Z interfaith household. Yeah. My mom comes from a Catholic family. She converted to Judaism before we were born, so we could have the technically Jew pass. But it's so interesting. People will be like, judaism is in your blood. It's in your DNA. So whether you like it or not, you're Jewish. But then if your mother is not Jewish. Okay, so huge.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you feel like you disappointed all, like, the Catholics that had, like, little kind of Kennedy shrines in their home? Your mother disappointed them kind of by leaving the faith a little bit?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I think she actually proved that you can be very, very religious and still have an open mind and be open to new things. And I think that knowing more about other faiths can help you appreciate your own. And I think.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Did you get the sacraments? Like, did you get first communion and confirm.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, first communion, Confirmation. Did you get confirmation? No, no, because I. I couldn't do it that year because I couldn walked that year, and my mom let me skip. So I wish I could say yes, but I did not, actually. I missed eighth grade confirmation class.

[Tim Miller]

My bar mitzvah was supposed to be the year that my parents got divorced. And then my parents told me they were getting divorced, and I was like, okay, that's my free pass out of having to do bar mitzvah classes.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. Not doing this.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It's like you literally couldn't walk like you were crippled.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, yeah. I've had a bunch of bad injuries in my life this one was in 8th grade on the first day of school. I was riding my bike to school and my foot slipped off the pedal and it severed my Achilles tendon.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Wow.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, I was like, 13.

[Jack Schlossberg]

And that prevents you from confirmation class and you could have wheelchaired in or something.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, no, like, if I really believed in God and wanted to go to heaven, then I probably would have done it, but I'm a heathen.

[Jack Schlossberg]

All right. There's still time. There's adult confirmation. Our friend JD Vance recently got reconfirmed as a Catholic. It's unclear that he goes to church. There's not any evidence that he actually goes to church. He changed his name several times and he's changed his religion. So that's something that you could do. I don't know. Did you sort of model yourself? You have a lot of interest in the vampire?

[Cameron Caskey]

I think more and more about religion lately, actually.

[Jack Schlossberg]

In what way?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I spent kind of like back to your original. When I started popping off whenever I arrived on your feed, it was like a long time coming. And it's true that I did, like, do it in a new way, but at the same time, like, you know, I've been on the Profile Encourage award committee and presented that award every year. I was like 18. Right. And so, like, in some ways, I've been doing it a long time, and in other ways it was completely new. But kind of the period right before or like all that happened. During all that happened, I was living in Louisiana. The friend who of mine, who I knew from when I was a Senate page, and I, like, ended up there just because I was like, I got to get out of New York and I just drove there and where in Louisiana?

[Jack Schlossberg]

I'm in New Orleans, you know.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

I live here in Louisiana.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Oh, Covington. Okay. Other side of the Theo. That's where Theobana.

[Cameron Caskey]

No way.

[Jack Schlossberg]

High school.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, I knew he's from Louisiana, but yeah. So, like, for me, that was a whole new world. Like, I really hadn't spent much time in the south and definitely not Louisiana. Like, you know, the. The right. The. The presence of faith was something that I feel like was especially like Christian faith. Especially where, like, where I was from, it was kind of like not looked down upon, but definitely misunderstood. And I just kind of interacted with and saw, like, not much. I only spent a couple months there. Like, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I was just like, eye opening to see the. How present it was or just in A different way from where I grew up, which was, like, pretty. Like, everyone I knew growing up was Jewish. And I didn't really realize that. I was like. I thought it was cool that I was Catholic like that or Christian. That was, like, interesting because everybody was Jewish, were at my school. But, yeah, I feel like I started thinking a little bit differently there. And it was like, it was profound experience because at the same time, I could feel this change coming. And I didn't really know what exactly was going to happen, but I was like, this is not. This is not cool. I love Joe Biden. And I've been looking at my phone for a couple of years, and everything is just. I don't see any of it. I don't see anything about him. Like, I don't hear anybody saying anything. Good. There's nothing on my phone. All these guys are talking about, like, this is right wing. And they don't even know that it's. That. It's like, what? And that was happening for a long time. It was really frustrating. But I was like, I can't say anything. I can't say anything. Being in Louisiana, my mind was opened and I was like, no, no, no. Like, this really, really matters. It's like, thinking about it in a much more deep way and less. And, like, willing to take more risk because I was like, I believe in this. I feel like this is, like, right and wrong and, like, I really want to say something.

[Tim Miller]

Wait, you were on the committee for the rfk? The Profile Encourage Award?

[Jack Schlossberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, that's. What do you mean? That's different. That's like. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to keep track, I know, but there's the JFK Library. Profiles Encourage is a book that my grandpa wrote about senators who took difficult stands. And there's an award that the JFK Library gives out every year to a public servant who puts country first. But I think you're referring to, like, a Humanitarian Award.

[Tim Miller]

In 2018, my friends and I won the RFK Award, and we went to the capital. Congratulations for the ceremony. And we are standing in some room, getting ready to go into some room, and they come up to me and they're like, okay, so who's going to speak? And everyone from March for Our Lives looks at each other, and we're like, someone was supposed to fucking speak. And, like, half of the Democrats in Congress are going to be at this thing. And suddenly I, the sacrificial lamb, am put up to just basically go sound like a fucking moron. And we go up. It's the podium where RFK announced his presidential bid. It is a room where in the first row was John Lewis. And I gave two of the stupidest fucking minutes of bullshit I've ever heard in my entire life, wearing an ugly gray suit with a purple tie that looked like shit. But God damn it, we won.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I also did this thing, the New Frontier Ward. And we recognize you guys, I think. Was that. Wait, are we talking. It was the New Frontier Ward in Boston. I feel like this. I gave Mark for our lives. Well, there's so many words. Hard to keep track of, but yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

How many awards have you won, Cameron?

[Tim Miller]

I don't know, but all I can say is get other Gen Z activists because we definitely racked up most of those bad boys. You ever hear about the Sunrise movement anymore?

[Cameron Caskey]

You guys got the heart about those.

[Tim Miller]

Little climate nerds who were all hooking up with each other and talking shit about each other the whole time. No, man, we fucking. We fucking science the era.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

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[Tim Miller]

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[Tim Miller]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

Jack, I felt like your awakening of your social media awakening happened, like, right around the last time you gave out one of those profile encouragement awards to Mike Pence. I remember, like, this sort of contrast between, like, you know, like, you're shirtless at the beach, you know, kind of dancing, talking about, you know, how RFK is crazy. And then, like, you're in a. You're in, like, a blue blazer and a little tie. Your hair is combed.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yes.

[Jack Schlossberg]

And you're like, Vice President Mike Pence, I really honor you and your work of avoiding being hungry on January 6th. So, right. Like, this is all. This is. This is right. My timeline's right. Right. This is all happening simultaneously.

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean, we really like it. It might as well be right there. Like, I mean, I could tell. No, like, that was only a couple months ago, but I feel like I popped off, like, a year ago. But anyway, it's all the same. I would say, like, I do. It was all very, very, very deliberate. Like, I had held my tongue and had been, you know, when our.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Why did you feel like you had to hold your tongue? Just like family. You wanted a job.

[Cameron Caskey]

It was just like, first of all, I was like, in school. No, no, it was like, I don't want to have to, like, talk. Like, this was like, what, 20, 23?

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

And it was like he was running for president for. It was like, I don't want to, like, like, I don't want to. I don't have to, like, go and make a public statement. Like, why would. Like. And then it kept growing and growing and growing, and it, like, took on a life of its own. And it was like. And I saw his alliance with Trump a mile, a mile away. It was just like, duh, same donors. Like, and it was. And so I got. Kept getting so many press requests. So many press requests. And it was like, no, no, no, I don't. Like, I just, like, I don't want to. Like, that's not my life. Like I need to focus on what I'm doing, you know what, like whatever. And then I went to go work on, on the Biden campaign because I was like, that would be a really good, like if I can't, I like, I don't want to like take this on myself, but I'll go like put my money where my mouth is and go do that. And long story short, you know, the Biden campaign was a short lived thing and what didn't have a risk appetite for social media. And I felt it kept going on and on and on with RFK Jr getting more and more severe. And I was like very, very worried about it early on. And I was like, this is a real problem. I mean not for just because of what he stands for, but also because he used President Kennedy, you know, very often in his campaign commercials, his super bowl commercial, remember that? But fuse the Kennedy campaign slogan and like to me that's, you know, propaganda. Like you're stealing something from the American people, like you're stealing our history from them and, and co opting it for yourself and like, who knows who, who's paying for this, like what is going on here. But it took me a while to build up the courage to be like, you know what, like I'm going to just do this my way. And everyone told me I was crazy when I did it my way. And my way was like, okay, I'm going to say something that's going to break through because if I just like say I am troubled by his rhetoric and it's like sick and it's like if I'm gonna do like, if I'm gonna say how I like what I think and it's, it's something I've thought a lot about and I'm sure of and I have real reasons for it. Then like, okay, when you got people looking then like give them something else that will like help balance that. And so like a part of me dancing with my shirt off and stuff was like, no, no, people need to understand that like a young fun person can love Joe Biden and be a Democrat.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So you're telling me that the, that, the accusations that, the dancing with your shirt off of that, you know, some might say that was gay baiting for engagement. And what you're saying is that was Joe Biden baiting actually you were just, definitely just doing Joe Biden shit. You weren't doing any, any unfair dating?

[Cameron Caskey]

I mean I would say like, like, yeah, I mean maybe I was, maybe I wasn't for Me, it was like about becoming comfortable actually just doing what I thought was like gonna work. And so like, you know, it's transformed over time. It's like completely developed like good intentions.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You're trying to get good vibes. You're trying to get engagement for Joe Biden.

[Cameron Caskey]

You weren't like, I had that.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You are leading land at the time.

[Cameron Caskey]

I was like, I. What do we have to lose? What do we have to lose? What? I made a dumb video. Like, no, there's not one else really. I don't see my people. Like it was a long like people forget like two, three years ago. There's a lot of, a lot of progressive media that's like popped up in the last year or so. But like there was very little like, anyway, there's very little positive Joe Biden said.

[Tim Miller]

That brings me to my big question, which you said something really interesting that I had been saying to people I knew on the Biden campaign, people I knew in the Harris campaign. Risk appetite on social media. With Harris, it's like, okay, they were making these kind of like haphazard attempts to say Kamala is brat and do the coconut meme and stuff like that. But when you're talking about working, she.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Never said the coconut line during the campaign. So they really didn't even do half assed attempt. I was begging for it.

[Tim Miller]

She failed to distance herself from the coconut line. But you're Jack, you're widely considered somebody who knows how to make people look at stuff on social media. What was your strategy for Biden in terms of social media risks? Like, what the fuck do you say to the Joe Biden campaign to get them to have Joe do whatever the Biden version of dancing shirtless on the beach is?

[Cameron Caskey]

Just to back up on one thing you said, which was, I think that, you know, as badly overwhelmed as we were on social media to our. And it was our own fault, like the Harris campaign was the shining example. Like they were the, you know, they were did way more than what was happening before and they showed way more willingness to take risk than what came before them. And that's not to criticize President Biden. It's just like we were slow to this and we were risk averse. So like, I think that they, like they had 100 days and I think that like they actually moved the ball forward a lot and involved younger people. And the DNC had a lot of creators. And like in the beginning of the campaign when I started making my videos, like, you're crazy. Like by the end I was like, working with the campaign, but, you know, everyone was like, make more videos. So I feel like people did come around. But I think that we talk a lot about the gender gap, how to attract young men. And to me, it's like, I don't know. But I think that risk taking is something that Democrats don't do so well in, in terms of public discourse, and that that could be a reason that we fail to penetrate.

[Jack Schlossberg]

What do you mean by risk taking?

[Cameron Caskey]

We're doing it now. We actually are doing it now. Like, people started cursing on Twitter, like, this year. You know what I mean? Like, the dccc, like, they say the F word now, like, in a statement. Like, that's completely new. Like, that people are willing to say straight up, like, I mean, like, Jasmine Crockett, like, they're, like, speaking directly. Like, they're, like, cutting through and making a point of like, of. Of shouting as best you can online. I think.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah. No, it's like, what is risk taking? I don't like that pedophile. Now that's like DNC is doing, like, pedophile protection shit, right?

[Cameron Caskey]

So, like, language. Language, I think, and just like, something that, you know, you're playing a game. The medium is the message. It's like, this is an algorithm that I'm, like, trying to please. This has nothing to do with, like, what I actually like self. I mean, it's like, it's a game. So it's like, okay, you know, like, here's my play. That's like an instinct that I feel like develops. But I think Democrats are finding ways. But it's hard. It's hard when you're in the minority and you don't have any power to do anything but say that things are messed up.

[Tim Miller]

Well, I think there's a difference. I think it just depends on who we're talking about, because some Democrats try to do influencery content. That might work if it was somebody else. But we've got a couple examples, right? We've got Hakeem Jeffries posting a picture of him holding a baseball bat. We've got Zoran Mamdani making videos in New York City with a beautiful color palette and using Bollywood imagery for his logo. We've got Eric Swalwell ripping off the subway takes guy on the. On the train. And we've got Brian Schatz who just makes videos where he's talking to people like a person. And. And I think that the social media game is bespoke to the congressperson, but some of them are also trying too hard to Be content creators that they just aren't. You know what I'm saying?

[Cameron Caskey]

I know what you're saying. It's definitely like, sometimes you're like. Like, no way. Like. But I also think that it's like, you know, it's a. You're an actor. You're like a performer, and that's a hard job, especially if you have to actually also be a sitting elected official. So it's like, I have a lot of sympathy for them, I think. Like, I don't know what to. To tell them other than to try to show people through what I post, like, the strategies I'm using, I guess.

[Tim Miller]

Who do you think is doing it the best?

[Cameron Caskey]

I think a lot of people are like, I think Shots gives really good speeches. I think Chris Murphy is a. A very clear communicator. I think lately Jon Ossoff has been doing really good written statements on his Instagram. At least that's where I encounter them, where they're very clear. And they're hitting on constant themes like corruption, like hammering home corruption and deficits. And I think that that's really important. And, like, he's doing a good job. And people are willing to read or listen longer because people want information now, I think so Things like leaning into that not being. Not thinking, like, oh, everyone's attention span is. Is tiny and no one cares. It's like, I think people really do want to know the information.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You were saying that you. They think you think they should look to you for.

[Cameron Caskey]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Shavance is hot. Yes. And I want to fuck her. Like, that's probably not. I didn't say Brian Schatz, descent. I don't know.

[Cameron Caskey]

You can object to that. But for.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I'm not objecting to.

[Cameron Caskey]

For me, it's like, you know, growing up, like, I've seen how this is done to my own family members. And so it's like, for me, that's like a commentary on. It's like a Met. It's like, what will, like, the New York Post is going to, like, if I write this, like, they're gonna come up with their worst about it. And then it's like, okay, but you're writing it not about Trump for one second at least. Okay. So it's like throwing wrenches in the system in creative ways, because from where I sit, it's like, this is not normal. The law is being broken in broad daylight every single day. And if I'm scared to, like, make a joke about somebody when, like, this is all people say about that's just like this. That's, you know, that's just what I think. And so, so not joke.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So you don't. I just. Just for. Just, you know, because I'm a journalist.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You don't think Usha Vance is hot?

[Cameron Caskey]

I think she's absolutely beautiful. Are you kidding me? I never said that. I said. I didn't say I want to F her.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Oh, okay. Sorry.

[Tim Miller]

Is so stunning. I am so amazing. Awe of her terrible decision making with men. But that, that doesn't lead me to my next question, but I'm just gonna say that it does.

[Jack Schlossberg]

We said we were going to do a ranking of the hottest second ladies.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Okay, so if you're going to change the subject. Do you not. Do you. Do you not have any nominees besides.

[Tim Miller]

Usha, I can probably name like Marilyn Quail.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you have any thoughts about Marilyn Quayle?

[Cameron Caskey]

What, What.

[Tim Miller]

What century is Marilyn Quayle even from?

[Jack Schlossberg]

She was Dan Quayle's wife.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know.

[Jack Schlossberg]

George W. Bushes? Dan Quail. You don't know Dan Quail couldn't spell potato. This was before you were born. He couldn't spell potato. It was kind of a big scandal in the 19. In the late 1980s, early 1990s.

[Cameron Caskey]

Didn't he write it on a chalkboard or something?

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, he added an E to the end. P O A T O E. Yeah, that wasn't great. Margarita Rockefeller looks pretty. Oh, wait. Joan Mondale. Wow.

[Cameron Caskey]

Right? That's what I'm talking about. Right.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Joan Mondale is kind of stunning.

[Tim Miller]

Tim, when you were a Republican communication strategist, communications director for Jeb Bush, how would you have spun potato? Being spelled wrong.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Boy, that's a tough one. I think that your candidates really put you in a pickle if they spell potato wrong. You know, I think that I probably would have made a joke about how hot Usha Pants is.

[Cameron Caskey]

Right.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So they start talking about something else. Yeah. Move on to the next. I think you got to do something worse then. You know something. You got to lean into it.

[Tim Miller]

Probably it works when Trump does it, like, do something worse, get them talking about the worst thing, and then it kind of goes away. That's kind of one of the things I'm the most scared about with this Epstein stuff is that Trump is just going to do increasingly worse and worse things in order to try and divert people's attention from it. But I read somewhere recently that RFK Jr against whom you've been very outspoken, had some sort of relationship with Jizz Maxwell. Like, do you know Anything about that?

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know anything about that. But yeah, I don't know. This Epstein thing, it feels like, you know, people have been like titillated by conspiracy for a real long time and then it was like, oh, we're finally going to find the answer to one of these mysteries. And I think that's why it's so. It's. I mean it obviously, the underlying crimes are obviously awful, but I also think it's just like has life of its own in such a crazy way.

[Tim Miller]

It's like kind of the ultimate conspiracy theory because it covers like everybody. It gets regular Republicans really upset. It gets the crazy fringe anti Semites really hyped up.

[Cameron Caskey]

How could it not get you upset? It's absolutely crazy.

[Tim Miller]

Like what I. I know and it's just like even normal, non conspiratorial thinking people are like, holy. This is like the conspiracy that we know.

[Jack Schlossberg]

And it's not. It's not a conspiracy. I mean the only part about it is kind of a conspiracy is whether he killed himself or whether somebody offed him in jail. Like that part is like a.

[Cameron Caskey]

Either way, isn't it? Why is Bill Bar not like either it's negligence or something else? Like how did that happen?

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, I mean, do you have a theory of why there? I mean do you have any Trump Bar theories of your own about or.

[Cameron Caskey]

I have no idea. But I think that this is happens to be like a very easy thing to understand in a lot of ways. But like they're doing this are in many other places too, similar types of blatant illegal behavior that then is completely just overtly denied. And like we don't expect them to tell the truth anymore in press conferences. We don't expect that like he's asked a question. Did you know about whatever the Signal chat? Like, no, I had no idea. And like with utter confidence, you know, like, like that's so. I have no idea what's going on. But I. What I do know is that they, the second administration seems a lot more confident in what they're. They're just what they're doing and that terrifies me.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I wonder your thought on like going back to kind of what dem social media stuff can do. I mean I think that they have been. I think we all agree they've been more aggressive, which is good. But I don't know, man, I feel like they could go even further on the Epstein stuff. Like, and it doesn't have to be. Everybody doesn't have to be the, you know, whatever chairman of the DNC or whatever. But, like, I think Dem Paul, like, Dem Paul's at this point could start being a little bit more reckless in their comments about Trump.

[Cameron Caskey]

That's kind of what I mean, where it's like, I think so, too. And so I try to like, yeah, I think, I think you're completely right. I feel like it's like, what are we waiting for? You're not being hyperbolic. This is insane.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So, yeah, and he's covering it up. He's in there. We know he's in there. They've got a file. They said that the FBI guys flagged his name. So they've got a file for where his name is in the files. And so they've got a list of all the times Trump's mentioned in there. So just show it. And if you're not showing it, it's. It's got to be because, like, the accusations are really bad. I get fucking annoyed at the TV people that are like, well, just because he's in there doesn't mean that he did anything wrong. It's like, really? I don't know. I mean, it's not like they were just on the same wedding invite list. It's like, it's like, I think he's all over the files of, of a child sex trafficker. Like, he probably did something bad.

[Cameron Caskey]

Totally. Do you understand? Because I don't feel like I do why this is happening right now.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, because they put out that stupid statement. It was a total rake step. Pam Bondi. So, like, back in March, they were like, we're going to figure out who's in the Epstein files. Probably because they wanted to get, you know, they were like, we're going to get Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew and, you know, random Kennedy cousins and like, whatever will be all the live elites. Right. That we're going to get. And so we sent a bunch of FBI agents to go through all the files. And then, like, in May, they said to Trump, you're in them. And then, like, in July, they put out a statement that was like, we decided we're going to put this to rest. You know, so, like, they put out that statement. Oh, that's also. And also Elon tweeted. Yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, right.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah. But I. It was them putting out that statement that was like, we're, you know, nothing to see here. We're chilling. That, like, caused the firestorm.

[Tim Miller]

So my question for you guys is.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, it's almost like they don't know what they're doing.

[Tim Miller]

When Trump was campaigning and saying, we're going to release the files. We're going to release the files. Is it that he thought he could get away with releasing certain parts of the files that didn't feature him, or do you think he just straight up didn't even know that he was in them?

[Jack Schlossberg]

I don't think Trump has object permanence. Like, I think that he like just lives like one fucking second at a time, you know, and he's like, I'm going to say whatever I need to say to get me through today and then tomorrow I'm going to say whatever I need to say tomorrow. I think it's. I don't know that it was a deep thinking.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, it's something they say on succession about the Rupert Murdoch character. They're like, I don't think he's thinking about anything other than putting one foot in front of the other. But another friend of mine was like, okay, Epstein had this whole island. There was obviously the child pedophile evil part of the island, but there were. There was also like tennis courts and scuba diving or whatever. And there might have been people who went to the Epstein island just for like the vacay and didn't even know about all the pedophile stuff. So maybe, yeah, that's what Trump did because.

[Cameron Caskey]

Because there's no tennis courts anywhere else. Only one you could buck.

[Tim Miller]

I was with a Republican girl that I've been friends with since I was very young last night, and she was telling me that she watches victim testimonies from the Epstein stuff and that there are videos of people who allegedly were part of the Epstein pedophile ring giving their full on, full blown testimony, testimony. And they were saying that there were like science labs and shit like that there. And whenever someone I'm with puts their tinfoil hat on, I'm like, I'm a let them cook. Keep spilling and everything. And she started talking about human cloning and stuff like that. And I was like, you know, what if. Wow, Republicans need to get more conspiratorial about this and it leads to them hating Trump more. As long as it doesn't get to the Jews, I'm cool with it. You could think that there was cloning going on. As long as it keeps you saying, release the Epstein files. But Tim, if you don't have anything else, there could have been cloning. I mean, we cloned sheep, didn't we?

[Jack Schlossberg]

I mean, I've seen. It was into some weird. He had the. What was the. He had this. He had like a scientist conference down there with the Guy that, like, who was the guy that just talked through the. Talked through his wheelchair?

[Cameron Caskey]

Stephen Hawking.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, Stephen Hawking was down there. Like, his dick doesn't even work. What was he doing on the island? Was he just getting his neck rubbed by the girls or what was happening?

[Cameron Caskey]

I feel like I have two thoughts. One is that the human tragedy is just like, once you enter that level of it and you realize, like, that's what we're talking about. It's like, holy. It's just so profoundly. Just dark and sad evil. The second thing is how compromised are the. Like, what about national security? How compromised are all of these people? Like, there are so many conflicting interests. There is clearly so much intelligence on so many characters. It's definitely not a good look.

[Jack Schlossberg]

No, it's not a good look.

[Tim Miller]

It's just so weird that some people are saying maybe there aren't Epstein files. Because, like, I know people who keep a guest book for their summer home, and if you forget to write in the guest book when you visit, they, like, actually get offended. And I'm like, I feel like Epstein probably kept a guest list.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, what? He left zero evidence of anything he did. Like, what.

[Jack Schlossberg]

What?

[Tim Miller]

He was doing it for blackmail. He wasn't doing it for bribery. He was doing it for love of the fucking game.

[Cameron Caskey]

Do you think there's any chance that Democrats, you know, we talk. We are not people fixate on this, and then to the advantage of Trump.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I mean, I think it could definitely be to the disadvantage of Bill Clinton. I would not be in a good mood in Chappaqua right now. Like, because if I'm those guys and I'm, like, trying to distract shit, I'm just like, we're gonna go throw the book at, like, Bill Clinton and whatever. Another rant. Some other random Dems. So I don't know that it'll actually help Trump, but. But there could definitely be some. Some shrapnel.

[Tim Miller]

One of the things that weirded me out was just the way that. That Clinton and Trump wrote to Epstein. Like, if you actually read the letters that they apparently wrote for his birthday, like, the. The Clinton and Trump letters to Epstein, they were kind of romantic and sort of a little gay. You know what I'm talking about?

[Jack Schlossberg]

I don't, because I'm a gay, and I don't write letters to my male friends. So I don't know what was. What was just letter writing itself is gay. Male. Male Letter writing. 60 Minutes journalist voice. So, Jack, you kind of did admit to gay baiting, though. While we're discussing the gays one more time. You are doing. You are doing intentional gay baiting.

[Cameron Caskey]

Whether that is a consequence of my actions. Yeah, to the extent that. The extent, sure.

[Jack Schlossberg]

But you want to apologize to any homosexuals out there who are feeling misled by the content that you are producing.

[Tim Miller]

Or don't do it.

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, let me. Let me say this. Not only am I sorry, I'll never do it again.

[Jack Schlossberg]

That is not believable. Do not make a promise you cannot keep Jack. Not on fy pod.

[Tim Miller]

I think some people are accused of gay baiting just for being hot. And it's like, yeah, if you're a guy who's like, hot, especially if you're twinky or twinky, you're going to get accused of gay. B. If you're a guy who dresses. Harry Styles gets accused of gay baiting.

[Cameron Caskey]

I like, right? I mean, like, I.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Cameron, why are you running cover for him?

[Tim Miller]

I'm running cover for all of the men who I like.

[Cameron Caskey]

I'm. I feel like you're. You're definitely joking. Like, I don't. Like, like, was I gay baiting? Definitely. Like, of course. Like, that was everything baiting. It was like, I'm gonna throw everything at the wall. Like, I'm not, like, trying. I'm, like, secretly trying to, like, gay. I don't even know what that. I don't actually know that term. But yeah, I'm definitely trying to, like, be weird. I don't know. Like, that's my version of, like, being, like. I don't know. There is a thing about masculinity there of like, yeah, like, act gay and I don't care.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you go through your messages on Instagram, like, from sometimes. And, like, what percentage of those do you think are from gay men? Would you say, like, 60% or what percentage of the.

[Cameron Caskey]

Of the males? Of the males?

[Jack Schlossberg]

No. Of the total population of messages, what percentage are gay males, do you think?

[Cameron Caskey]

Probably 40 to. Yeah, probably, like, no, probably less. Probably 20, I would say of the males, it may be 90%.

[Jack Schlossberg]

There aren't too many dudes just trying to.

[Tim Miller]

Probably my ex girlfriend. Probably like, at least 25%. Everybody please leave a comment down below on if you think that Trump and Trump and Clinton's letters to Epstein were gay or if I'm just being a jerk. Tim, I'm pretty satisfied with this gay conversation. Can I move on to my next topic?

[Jack Schlossberg]

Okay, yeah, I've got. We're on it. We got to go rapid fire now because I've got a couple we haven't touched either.

[Tim Miller]

So real quick, Jack, just three questions for you. This is called Gen Z Trivia with Jack Losberg. Jack, what is the most annoying Gen Z trend?

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know any of them. Can you name some and I'll tell you?

[Jack Schlossberg]

You don't get annoyed. You don't get annoyed.

[Cameron Caskey]

I don't know them. I don't know what they are. I don't. Could you tell me a few that I know? So they know what they are?

[Tim Miller]

Just, like, zoomer quality. That's considered a zoomer thing where you're like, oh, my God, shut the up.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I don't like, like, a word. Like how everybody's got an aura.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, oh, yeah, you know, I don't like the. Here's what I don't like. I don't like the blue jeans, white Air Force ones. Ten people, all friend group. They all wear them. That's what I see from Gen Z. I see a lot of the same outfits.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, Dante, put 10 points on the screen.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, I don't like the mustache. I don't like the mustaches, and I don't.

[Cameron Caskey]

I love Gen Z. I don't like.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Them calling things coded. Everything isn't something coded.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, yeah, you know, oh, I don't like no Cap. I don't know why, but I just don't like it. I don't know what it mean.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I don't get it when white people say it.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, that's. Maybe that's. It's like, maybe that's why I don't like it, because it sounds weird. People say, I don't know.

[Tim Miller]

I'm with you. I don't say no, Cap, But I do call certain things cap, so maybe I'm a little agnostic. All right, question number one. Two out of number two. There's three questions here. What was the main thing you wasted time on during the pandemic?

[Cameron Caskey]

Pandemic was weird for me because I, I. It's like a long story, you know, But I was, like, I was very injured, like, for two years before the pandemic and then all throughout the pandemic. So I was, like, two years ahead of everybody on the pandemic.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Another injury?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, that one was really bad. Yeah, like, I had a really bad injury, and I can only walk for, like, four years, like, barely. So that was a wheelchair. I was, like, in bed. I could walk, like, short distances. I had crutches for a long time, and I was on, like, in bed for a lot. But, yeah, I could, like, Walk around the block. But that would basically be it for like a pretty long time.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Said, what did you do in bed? Like, what?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I was in school, so I just literally was studied all day. I got really into like, I watch a lot of cnbc. I would say that's. That's kind of where I wasted a lot of my time.

[Jack Schlossberg]

But favorite CNBC personality.

[Cameron Caskey]

I have a love hate relationship with Joe Kernan. He doesn't know about it, but like, he enrages me and. But he makes me think because he is so consistently his perspective is like, okay. Like, I know. I feel like it's helped me, but it really enrages me.

[Tim Miller]

All right, last question. Who is the greatest Gen Z artist?

[Cameron Caskey]

Artist.

[Tim Miller]

Yes. Of any kind.

[Cameron Caskey]

Who's the greatest Gen Z artist? I don't really think in terms of like, that's Gen Z. That's not Gen Z. Like, is Gracie Abrams Gen Z? Is Billie Eilish Gen Z? That's like, that's. Yeah. Is Shyamalay Gen Z?

[Tim Miller]

Yes. Okay.

[Jack Schlossberg]

He's the best.

[Cameron Caskey]

He's the best.

[Tim Miller]

I think he's a Casper.

[Cameron Caskey]

He's definitely the best.

[Tim Miller]

The correct answer, by the way, is Congressman Maxwell Frost, who does extraordinary work. But I'll let you go with that.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It is. It is. Cusper is definitely right. I mean, so would you like if you had to rank though? Like, you know, for example, I don't know, just like pulling some names out of the air. Like Billie Eilish versus Olivia Rodrigo.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, if I had to choose, I couldn't. Who ran is better. Well, at what? At what? I really. I really couldn't be that hard.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Full spectrum artistry. Because I think a charisma, uniqueness nerve in town look like great. You have to be RuPaul. You got a one of them. Shantay. You say one of them. Sashay away.

[Cameron Caskey]

Right.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Sorry. You have to do it.

[Cameron Caskey]

I would say that there's no way that I have to answer who is better.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You have to sashay away. One of them has to be sachet away.

[Cameron Caskey]

I really like the song. Good for you. Okay. And I think that Olivia Rodrigo has the X factor and has what it takes.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Shantae, you stay. Okay. That's a good pick. I want to go back to your. Is it uncle or cousin? RFK Junior. Before we get to the mailbag. Cousin. I don't do the Kennedy family tree. Really? Is it not as a former Republican. You know, it doesn't. Yeah, I understand the whole mystique doesn't really work for me, but kind of like you appearing with your, with your thought Instagrams. He kind of appeared for me out of nowhere. Like all of a sudden he's running for president. You know, there's the bear in the woods and like the, you know.

[Cameron Caskey]

My sister wrote that story.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yes, yes. Isn't that so wild as a reporter? Yeah, yeah, no, I did like a 30 minute breakdown of the bear story for YouTube one time. So I'm well aware of your sister's important role there for you, just as an observer. Like, when did he cross over from being like, kind of like weird, like vaccine guy, but kind of like all my cousins are kind of weird but sort of charming and he's got a little thing. When did it cross over from that to like malicious, you know, effort to undermine the American democracy. Like, how did that process work?

[Cameron Caskey]

No, I actually don't know him personally well at all. I haven't spent much time with him. Most of that was.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You guys just like meet at Hyena something every year?

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, no, Fourth of July. Yeah, no, I, I, no, I, I, I don't have like, we, there's no like, thing where we all. Yeah. And like there's like a family. Like, I have my, my family, my parents and sisters and we spend a lot of time together. Super close, but it's not for my generation. At least it's, I think they, I don't know. Anyway, sure. To answer your question, I think that he's been troubled for a long time. So I don't think it was a crossover.

[Tim Miller]

He was just following the wave, basically.

[Cameron Caskey]

Or like, I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good as mine.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So it's like not that weird because I was thinking, be like kind of weird, right? If my, you know, whatever, like my uncle's kid or whatever was like all of a sudden was like a Donald Trump spokesperson. And like that would be a hard thing for me to process. But, but like what you're saying is like, you didn't really hang out before, so there was. Yeah, yeah.

[Cameron Caskey]

Like, I can't speak to like a change or anything like that. Yeah, but I'll say that like, what you said is true. Like, I emergent. He emerged well, like his decision to do what he did and to use our family name legacy, the images of my grandfather, President Kennedy, and tons of his own ads, campaigns going on every podcast talking about the JFK assassination, saying he knew what happened at the CIA killed President Kennedy without any evidence. And like, that's why I was compelled to do, like that's that's why I had. People were looking when I posted, like, you know, so, so. And I also. Why I felt obligated and just motivated because I. I spent a lot of time thinking about my grandfather. And like, people often think about the most dramatic or scandalous moments of people's life. But there's so much, like, super important history that I find genuinely inspiring that is under attack right now from the President, United States, who's fixated on, like, diminishing President Kennedy or tying himself to him or whatever it is, but he's fixated. And so I felt like, oh, my gosh, whether I like it or not, I'm involved here. And I don't think I'll be able to live with myself if I don't say something.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you have broader Maha thoughts? Like, outside of the construct of, like, the candidate?

[Cameron Caskey]

Just that, like, he's a. I mean, I will give him credit that he's a genius for saying a bunch of things that people already all agree on, like processed food is bad and sugar is bad and. And getting people to believe that there's some revelation, I think is impressive accomplishment.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You got one other thought on him, and then we can move on.

[Cameron Caskey]

You, you, you.

[Jack Schlossberg]

You guys both have done shirtless content.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

And I will say your body types are very different.

[Cameron Caskey]

Very, very different.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do you think that that's a natural. I mean, do you think that's a Maha natural muscle tone from him, or do you think maybe there's some supplemental.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, I think if it looks too good to be true.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Doesn't it? Doesn't it look too good to be true? Real quick, everybody, bond situation. Kind of.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Before we get to Boomer Mailbag, Dante, can you just throw up the video of President Trump snubbing Cheryl Hines at the UFC game?

[Jack Schlossberg]

The fights are on.

[Cameron Caskey]

It's pretty incredible.

[Narrator]

Crazy.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It's insane.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, Boomer Mad bag time.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It is about to be Boomer magical back time. But the first Boomer Mailbag question was from Jack Schlossberg. Actually, he posted this on social media. Which member of the Trump Cabinet has had the most homosexual experiences? I have a very strong view on this, but I wanna go last. So, Cameron, I'd like to hear your answer first. Which Trump cabinet? I guess we could include Scott Besant, and he is an avowed homosexual with a Barbie house, but it's possible he's like the kind of gay that's only had one. Maybe it's just him and his husband and that's it. So you could throw him in if you want Cameron, you go first.

[Olivia]

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[Tim Miller]

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[Jack Schlossberg]

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[Cameron Caskey]

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[Tim Miller]

I think Slay D Vance is probably the gayest one. I know this is kind of a hot take but just I I read a bunch of his book there that was very get ready for this Tim Queer coded language and I think his physicality, his vibes, I think it and just the insecurity. There's a. There's a lot of insecurity to him and a desire to be gaining approval from others that is characteristic of somebody who is hiding something. And I think the only circumstance in which a 10 like USHA would marry him is if there was an understanding that she wouldn't have to actually share a bed with him. So Slate events okay Jack, what about you?

[Cameron Caskey]

Well, I Did a poll, and overwhelmingly Vance. But I left an important person out of that poll. Two important people out. Which one of them? You might be able to guess. Hex F. I forgot to put in the poll. I don't know. He. Something about him. And then second is Marco Rubio. How about the sleeper? Marco Rubio. Never saw it coming. Might just be.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Yeah, just be him. So, being a former Republican oppo research guy, I do have some additional thoughts on this. Marco was. There's a lot of chatter about Marco having some homosexual experiences in South Miami, but I think it was slander in this case. I think that it was people, I think it was Republicans that were connecting foam parties as a gay thing, because Republicans are lame and don't realize that straight guys also liked foam parties. So I think just because Marco went to south beach foam parties does not necessarily mean that was a gay thing. I think that was just like kind of a Cuban thing. So I don't know that Marco is. Is the man here. I think it's obviously J.D. vance, and you've seen him in makeup in high school, like. And I. I mean, I think the JD probably has had at least three homosexual experiences, I think I would say.

[Tim Miller]

And for that, what can we say but slay? All right.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Okay, we'll go to the actual boomer mailbag. Are we ready? Here we go. This one comes from Old Vanilla. This was my favorite one that we've received. Jack and Cameron, this is for you. Because I have no expertise here, I've gotten the impression that Gen Z women are expected to consent to being choked and slapped during sex. Is this common or just sensationalized?

[Tim Miller]

I only ever choke when I am directly asked because I think that that's mean. And I don't like mean during sex. I think that sex. You're supposed to be nice. So if. If the choke is requested, I will participate in it because I'm a team player and I want everybody to feel accommodated for. But generally speaking, any mean stuff, like mean talk, demeaning talk, and everything like that, it just goes against what sex is. To me, sex is like the nicest thing you can do with somebody, and I like to keep it that way.

[Jack Schlossberg]

That's Cameron, as a fellow narcissist, I appreciate that you made that question about you, but the actual question was, is this common? You know, is this common? So is your. But, you know, maybe you're more common.

[Tim Miller]

People.

[Jack Schlossberg]

People wanting to get choked and slapped during sex. Gen Z women wanting to get choked and slapped. Is that.

[Cameron Caskey]

Cameron, is it common?

[Tim Miller]

I have often been asked to be a little bit less of a house cat and a little more aggressive. So I suppose it's common. Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Jack, do you have anything on that?

[Cameron Caskey]

I have, you know, no data to share. Only my, you know, concept, conceptual instincts which say that. Is it common to be expected? I don't know. That sounds like a pretty. That's extreme. Expected, right? That's just expect. And is that consent? Is that really consent if it's expected of you? I don't know.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It's a good question. So we think. We're thinking it's getting more or less. More or less common.

[Tim Miller]

I think a lot of young people. And I. I don't really know about women in this situation, but I think a lot of young people are watching more porn, and I think porn promotes a more aggressive form of sex. And I think that young men's belief of how sex is supposed to go at least has been very, very altered. Because, you know, back in the day, someone like Tim in a. In an alternate reality where Tim has ever had sexual attraction towards a woman. I did. You know, maybe. Maybe you steal a dirty magazine from your dad's closet, and that's what you get. And maybe you see a porno DVD that's, like, on a set with characters following some sort of a narrative. But, like, with us, it's just on our iPhone. There is aggressive porn that we can just access anywhere in the. So I think porn has really changed the way that especially.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Do we need porn regulation, do you think? What do you guys think?

[Tim Miller]

Do I think we need porn regulation?

[Cameron Caskey]

It's a First amendment issue.

[Tim Miller]

I think something has to be done about the. If you look at pornhub's terms of service, there's some pretty fucked shit in there. And I think that a lot of porn on the Internet is not as consensual as they may want you to believe. But I don't know from a legal standpoint how I would handle that.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Jack is pro First Amendment. All right, I just wanted to just clarify. Final question. We get this one a lot. Cam gets this one a lot. So, Jack, you're. You can field this one. As a final, earnest question.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah.

[Jack Schlossberg]

I will just say about your podcast, before we get to the final question.

[Cameron Caskey]

Oh, man, I forgot to bring it.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Test Drive with Jack Sloshberg, which takes place in this van. I watched it this morning. And, you know, one thing I love about you is you. Really. And Cameron, as you're veering kind of between sarcasm and mocking and kind of withering jokes about Jared Kushner's outfit to very earnest thoughts about the state of our nation and politics. And you're sort of. We're on a journey with you back and forth in that. And that's what I like. So we'll end with something. One thing I didn't like that you didn't get a chance to get to is your defense of Hunter Biden. But we'll do some bonus content on that another day. Laurie, whose email signature is Wisdom begins in Wonder. Producer TONY Just wanted to make sure we had that context. Wisdom Begins in Wonder. Let me think about that for a second.

[Cameron Caskey]

Really does.

[Jack Schlossberg]

It really does, Lori. I'm glad you said that. Lori says, Jack, why is your generation not more involved in the resistance against the current regime?

[Cameron Caskey]

Is that true? I feel like.

[Jack Schlossberg]

Have you gone to any protests?

[Cameron Caskey]

Have you gone to any protest?

[Jack Schlossberg]

And it feels kind of old. It feels a little boomery at the protest. No.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, but at the same time, like, my phone is on fire with people who are protesting with comments and likes and sharing stuff.

[Jack Schlossberg]

So.

[Cameron Caskey]

Yeah, like, it depends where you look. I don't know. I, I think in, like, the last. We just had an election where young people were the old decisive factor in New York City, like, hands down. So I think people actually are, Are involved or more than they were maybe a year ago. And I'll take it. But I do think that, you know, both parties, Democratic Party has not done a good enough job in encouraging young people and, and, and making use of the most valuable resource.

[Tim Miller]

I think the Democratic Party spends more time, like, resenting young people for not bending to their will than they do trying to meet us where we're at. I think I see Democrats angry at young people more than I see Democrats trying to bargain with young people, because I think they feel very entitled to our votes. And then you see someone and you were talking about this, like Zoran Lambdani, who was able to not only get young people to vote for him, he was also able to get a ton of young people to go fucking canvas for him. And instead of embracing that and saying, gee, what can we learn from this? You have them coming out and saying, I'm not going to endorse him because of anti Semitism, that he never did. So the Democrats, I say this all the time, get handed winning shit on a silver platter and just turn it away. But the last point I wanted to make to that was I think young people have a different understanding of what will work in terms of organizing because we see how big digital stuff was in securing Trump another victory. Right? We had a guest with 13 million followers talking about how crucial TikTok was in securing the Latino vote. We see all. We always talk about Trump going on the pods, Netanyahu going on nelk boys to do fascist Hasbra. You know, we see all these things happening, and young people are like, digital organizing is probably going to be more valuable than going out at mar and marching, because the protests that shaped our youth were women's march. And not to discredit the extraordinary work that was done by the brave women who did that, but women are still getting sexually assaulted all the time. And we still see it all the time. Black Lives Matter. Cops are still killing black people. March for our lives. Not a lot of substantive things were done about guns. Whereas the boomers who are showing up to the no Kings protests and stuff like that, they saw the Vietnam protests, they saw the civil rights protests, and they have more of a sense that if we show up and flood the streets, something can happen. Whereas I think young people have seen these big marches happen with so much fanfare, but we haven't seen the substantive results that we wanted. And therefore we're like, okay, well, making a TikTok might actually change more people's minds than making, like, a poster board.

[Jack Schlossberg]

TikTok legend Jack Schlossberg. Protest legend Cameron Caskey. Guys. That's so good. Jack, since I didn't. Now we know you spent time in Covington. I appreciate you doing this pod, but, like, and it's cool. And we're mask. We're very masculine and very bro here on this pod. We're not. We're not that. Well, Cameron's woke, but so it's very. It's good. It's a good start for you, but, like, let's move you even into, like, more mask space where there's gonna be less gay talk. Theo, let's get you on Theo and, like, hanging out with him. You guys can do a little covey to talk and, like, bro down. All right, Love that. All right, thank you, guys. We'll work on it. I appreciate you, brother. We'll be seeing you soon.

[Cameron Caskey]

All right, thank you, guys. Thanks, Cameron.

[Tim Miller]

Thanks for watching, folks.