Transcript
A (0:00)
Hey, everybody, Tim Miller from the Bulwark here. I have been keeping an eye on Joe Rogan and the guys in the manosphere, as you know, particularly around the immigration issue. And I'm gonna keep banging this drum because hopefully watching Joe Rogan speak with moral clarity about this will continue to give Democrats the backbone to fight about this. Who the hell knows? Maybe it'll shake a Republican or two loose. I'm not exactly counting my chickens before they hatch on that, but couldn't hurt. But most importantly, it's helping wake up a lot of people who might not be consuming whatever left media or even mainstream media. A lot of people who are outside of, who aren't reading the New York Times or watching the nightly news and who are getting their information from Rogan or Schultz or one of these other guys. Maybe some of them will also be woken up to the fact that, holy shit, they signed up for something that was a lot more cruel than they wanted. And I think this relates a bit to my conversation with Kevin Clancy with KFC over at Barstool last week, where we talked about this a bunch. But I want to play for you this clip from Rogan Rogan. I want to play for you a couple clips. Rogan is talking to a guy named Duncan Trussell who, I don't know, who seems to really like acid a lot. And so, you know, maybe there's a little kind of clarity that comes from being next to somebody who's deep into the psychedelic bag. Let's watch Joe Rogan.
B (1:26)
If you've been here for 25 years, you have a family, your kids go to school here, you speak the language, you're just illegal, but you're a contributing member to the community that up until now has been protected. This is crazy to ask lower income and middle income people who are, you know, kind of getting by and then all of a sudden you're about to ship them to a country where they've never been, they haven't been since they were four.
A (1:53)
Yeah.
B (1:53)
And you're going to, you're going to pull up their family and pull up. And they've been in the community like that, that, that shows no heart. And that's the problem. Like you're not going to get any reasonable people to want to go along with that. Any kind person would look at that and go, there's this can't be the only way to do this. Damn right.
A (2:11)
So you can see there. I mean, he's responding just emotionally like this is an empath. An empathetic response from Rogan Right. It's like, not really about, you know, winning this fight on the policies. It's not really about, you know, concerns about the border Fentanyl, because Rogan still has those. Right. Like, this is about just a human that lives in this country saying, no, I do not want to be part of the team that is going and menacing and hassling and harassing and arresting and shackling people who have been productive members of society in front of their kids. I don't want these thugs going into communities who are. And going after people and doing so in a way that's gonna traumatize their families, like people. I guess this is my fundamental insight on this. And I think that sometimes some folks on the left, even some of my colleagues, this is maybe something that they don't appreciate, which is that most people want to be on the side of the good guys. Like, most people don't want to be the baddies. They don't revel in other people's pain. And that's hard for some folks who oppose Trump to process because Trump is just such a brazen asshole. And the fact that you would have somebody like Stephen Miller around him, it's kind of like for somebody who sees Trump clearly for who they are, they're like, I assume that everybody is signing up for Trump because they want an asshole. And there's some people that are signing up for Trump because they want an asshole. But a lot of people convinced themselves that whatever it was, whether it was the fentanyl deaths or Lake and Riley or inflation, whatever it was, or Trump being anti war, this was a big thing that appealed to them. They were able to come up with a rationalization while they're on the side of the angels. And evangelicals focus on abortion. Most people are not saying, I'm for Trump, I'm putting on the black hat. Elon did. There's some blackouts out there, but most of them thought they were doing what was right. And this, these images, a priest getting gathered with a pellet gun, it starts to lay bare for people that, oh, man, this is bad. I don't want to be one of the bad guys. I don't want to be one of the people that is responsible for sending a law abiding person, a person who's just trying to do their job and go to church and be a part of their community and do the right thing. I don't want to send them to some country that they've never been to before that they don't remember. I don't want to Shackle them. I don't want to do snuff porn at the expense of migrants. And if you accept that, if you can accept that there's at least 60% of the country that doesn't want to be a baddie, maybe more, then you can see why this is an issue that could resonate and work for the Democrats. Just a little bit more from Rogan on this point.