LIVE: Stop Blaming the DNC’s Failures on a Conspiracy. It’s Worse Than That.

Summary

Bulwark Takes — LIVE: Stop Blaming the DNC’s Failures on a Conspiracy. It’s Worse Than That.

Podcast: Bulwark Takes
Hosts: Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, Unnamed Female Co-host
Date: May 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, on-the-road episode, the Bulwark team unpacks the release and fallout from the Democratic National Committee's (DNC) bumbling autopsy report, venting frustrations—and laughter—about institutional incompetence rather than conspiratorial cover-ups. They then pivot to discuss Trump’s possible absence from his son's wedding, and wrap up with scorching takes on the so-called J6 "slush fund" scandal, all while sharing personal anecdotes and road-trip snack talk.

Tone: Casual, incisive, and deeply irreverent political banter, peppered with inside jokes and road trip distractions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Live Show Banter & The Bus Ride (00:27–01:33)

• Hosts reflect on their recent live show, praising surprise guest Will Sommer and teasing the Bear Topia segment set to go up on YouTube.
• Lighthearted exchange about “pocket hoses” kicks things off, setting a laid-back tone from the tour bus between San Diego and LA.

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2. DNC “Autopsy” Report: Bumbling, Not Conspiratorial (01:42–08:43)

General Sentiment:

• The team eviscerates the DNC’s much-anticipated “autopsy” report, describing it not as a product of shadowy machinations but of profound incompetence.

Notable Moments & Quotes:

• On conspiracy theories about the report's delay:
  • Unnamed Co-host (02:03):
    “The truth was that the report was written by a sixth grader who doesn't seem to have been involved in campaigns since the super PAC era started... Like the DNC is veep. Like the DNC is run by morons. They have no power. They just screwed it up like idiots. There's no conspiracy. There's no grand cover up. They just don't know what the fuck they're doing.”
• On the unfinished state of the report:
  • Unnamed Co-host (04:00):
    “There wasn't even a conclusion. Can we see this on the camera? This was the conclusion section. No. Okay. Nothing there... this section was not provided by the author.”
• Tim Miller on DNC dysfunction (05:07):
  • “If you want to understand the communications failures of the DNC of the Democratic Party, the handling of the autopsy release is a much better way to understand the problems than what's actually in it.”
• On leadership and Ken Martin’s tenure:
  • Sarah Longwell (08:02):
    “People have argued well how big a deal is having a competent DNC chair. And it's not nothing... this Guy has spent 16 months in an absolute defensive crouch doing nothing. This autopsy report is just a symptom of a very failed chairmanship.”
  • Tim Miller (08:43):
    “What you want the DNC to be is something that is in the background doing its work and not becoming the center of the story... incompetence has become the story.”

DNC Leadership Dynamics:

• Discussion about the mechanisms for firing Chair Ken Martin, possible replacements, and the byzantine DNC committee rules.
• Rahm Emanuel and Haley Stevens are named—sarcastically—as possible successors.

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3. Trump and the Question of Attending Don Jr.’s Wedding (11:12–14:18)

Main Takeaways:

• Fresh off the bus, the team riff on Trump’s equivocation about attending his son’s wedding, with Trump citing “Iran” and “press scrutiny” as possible conflicts.
• Hosts draw parallels to “Succession”’s infamous absentee wedding dad.

Notable Quotes:

• Sarah Longwell (12:15):
  “I happen to think that no one would get mad at him for attending his son's wedding. I find it odd that this is debatable. Am I wrong?”
• Tim Miller (13:16):
  “It reminds me of the episode of Succession where the mogul dad doesn’t come to his oldest son’s wedding... a story about the intense failures of a human being to love his children and then for them to be able to love him back adequately.”
• Unnamed Female Co-host (13:48):
  “I don't think Iran is the reason. Things seem pretty stable in Iran... that's been kind of the status quo for about five, six weeks now.”

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4. The J6 Slush Fund: “Nakedly Corrupt” (14:43–17:41)

Scandal Dissected:

• DOJ issues clarifications on who can benefit from the January 6 “reparations”/slush fund.
• Michael Lindell wants $400 million; far-right media personalities and senators potentially eligible. The tone is outrage and incredulity.

Quotes:

• Sarah Longwell (15:13):
  “It just struck me as like, a very obvious bribe. Right. Like, you can get this money if you really want, so we'll see if that works.”
• Tim Miller (15:26):
  “I think the slush fund is one of the most corrupt, nakedly corrupt things we've ever seen out of the government.”
• Tim Miller on media spin (16:03):
  “There is no more pathetic attempt... to try to gloss over how nakedly corrupt Donald Trump is being.”
• Tim Miller, on why he’s oddly “cheering” for the farce (16:31):
  “If Mike Lindell gets millions... every January 6th insurrectionist gets millions... every news story about who is getting millions of dollars is a news cycle that is bad for Trump.”
• Sarah Longwell (16:56):
  “One proposal... is to tax every dollar... at 100%, which would claw it back. But you need Donald Trump's signature for that. So that’s not going to happen.”

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5. Road Snacks, Joint Stories, and Bus Life (17:45–20:09)

• Hosts share favorite road snacks (banana nut muffin, peanut butter crackers, yogurt parfait, combos, coffee), spilling drinks, and joint-gifting anecdotes from live shows.
• Scene-setting enlivens the episode with personal/behind-the-scenes detail.

Funny Moment:

• Unnamed Female Co-host (18:21):
  “I have a joint, too, that was given to us last night.”
• Sarah Longwell (18:34):
  “I would just say that was a very suspicious joint... It was already opened. And he just, like, came up to me afterwards.”

Tim Miller (19:36):

“My favorite road trip snack is always combos... the pretzel ones. And listen, they're hideous. Like, they are filled with processed, like, canned cheese... But I used to get that in a Dr. Pepper on every road trip when I was young. But I can't drink soda anymore. So now it's just combos and a tepid coffee.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• “Like the DNC is veep. Like the DNC is run by morons. They have no power. They just screwed it up like idiots. There's no conspiracy. There's no grand cover up. They just don't know what the fuck they're doing...”
  — Unnamed Female Co-host (02:19)
• “If you want to understand the communications failures... the handling of the autopsy release is a much better way to understand the problems... than what is in the actual autopsy release.”
  — Tim Miller (05:07)
• “I happen to think that no one would get mad at him for attending his son's wedding. I find it odd that this is debatable. Am I wrong?”
  — Sarah Longwell (12:15)
• “I think the slush fund is one of the most corrupt, nakedly corrupt things we've ever seen out of the government.”
  — Tim Miller (15:26)
• “You want the DNC to stop being the story?”
  — Tim Miller (09:33)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |--------------------------------------|------------| | Banter & Live Show Recap | 00:27–01:33| | DNC Report Intro & Rant | 01:42–05:45| | DNC Leadership, Ken Martin Discussion| 06:19–08:43| | Trump & Don Jr.’s Wedding | 11:12–14:18| | J6 “Slush Fund” Breakdown | 14:43–17:41| | Road Snacks & Anecdotes | 17:45–20:09|

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a fast, funny, and scathing indictment of Democratic organizational dysfunction and the outright corruption of the Trumpist right—wrapped in the irreverent, insider speak of Bulwark’s core team. The main message: When scandal breaks, don’t reach for conspiracies—follow the incompetence. And try not to spill your cold brew.

Useful for listeners wanting caustic, behind-the-scenes perspective on campaign politics, devoid of both cynicism and hagiography.

Transcript

[Sarah Longwell]

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[Sarah Longwell]

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[Sarah Longwell]

All right, we're here on the bus. Hey, guys, we're here on the bus. It's me, Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, driving from San Diego to LA for our next live show tonight, if you're in la, come and see us. And we're talking. We're talking about pocket hoses. For some reason, I love the product. Tim's talking about a different connotation of pocket hose.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

I love the product as well. And I've seen all the different sizes,

[Sarah Longwell]

different type of collapsible hose that Tim likes.

[Tim Miller]

We've had to stop the conversation so that Tim can explain something to me later.

[Sarah Longwell]

All right, so we're on the red one. Lovely Route 5, Pacific Ocean over there. How'd you think the show went last night?

[Tim Miller]

I thought the show was great. I love the live shows. It's so great to see everybody. I thought it was good.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

I thought I was really good.

[Sarah Longwell]

Okay, we're gonna stop that right here.

[Tim Miller]

I was good. I also thought Will Sommer.

[Sarah Longwell]

Okay, that was what I was gonna say. I thought Will was like the surprise hit. So many people came up to him and were like, I've been listening to your podcast since the Daily Beast days. I love need more of Will. And it was going to his already very big head.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah. And so Bear Topia was really strong. And people gotta wait. Once the live show goes up on YouTube, the bear Topia segment, I don't want to give away anymore.

[Sarah Longwell]

Yeah, we're putting. We're putting up the Bear Topia segment a little bit later, but that's a good tease. All right, so quick news of the day as we're driving here. I guess the big story was the. This morning was the DNC autopsy report came out finally. I don't want to call it an autopsy report. It was written in calibri font. There's a lot of red edits on there. I thought your tweet was, like, probably the most spot on. Why don't you just expand?

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah, I did. This was in the tweet, but I did love that it was like. And they just basically released the Google Docs with, like, the comments about how things were wrong. They just released a raw Google Doc with people's edits in there. It's like, great. No, my biggest take was. So there's been for months, like these conversations about why hasn't it been released? What is the reason? The DNC people were trying to make it seem like it was strategic because they're worried about the midterms. The anti DNC crowd, particularly on the left. There's a report in Axios that they leaked that they were talking about, which was basically, they're not releasing it because it reveals that Kamala's position on Gaza was the reason that she lost. And they're covering that up because it's all part of the corporate elite scheme. The truth was neither of those things. The truth was that the report was written by a sixth grader who doesn't seem to have been involved in campaigns since the super PAC era started or since there was Twitter. And the guy that wrote it, I think his last big campaign was the John Kerry campaign in 2004, when we didn't have YouTube yet or blogs. And so the truth about the DNC, like every DNC controversy, it's like the DNC was coming after Bernie. The DNC cheated the Iowa caucuses against Pete. Like everybody has a DNC conspiracy theory. No, like the DNC is veep. Like the DNC is run by morons. They have no power. They just screwed it up like idiots. There's no conspiracy. There's no grand cover up. They just don't know what the fuck they're doing. And so anytime you're curious about what's happening with the dnc, that should be like your Occam's Razor explanation, not a conspiracy idiocy.

[Sarah Longwell]

So incompetent, not conniving. Yes, I guess you raise a really interesting point, which is it appears they put the thing together, did all the Google Doc edits, and then never, like accepted the edits, just left it at that first stage. There's basic factual mistakes in there. It doesn't make any sense. Ken Martin.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

There wasn't even my favorite part. I'm trying to pull this up. Is the. Is it the conclusion? There wasn't even a conclusion. Can we see this on the camera? This was the conclusion section. No. Okay. Nothing there. Underneath the conclusion section, there's nothing. And then in the red edit, it says, this section was not provided by the author.

[Sarah Longwell]

But why didn't they resolve the edits? Why did they just stop? I don't get it.

[Tim Miller]

Because at some point this became such a farce that they understood that the more ridiculous it looked, the better it was for them. The more incomplete the More like not a polished product that that meant that they could just disavow it. But I don't know what tweet you were talking about. I think you mean my tweet. Because my tweet. Yeah, yeah. My tweet was. If you want to understand the communications failures of the DNC of the Democratic Party of the 2024 campaign, the. The handling of the autopsy release is a much better way to understand the problems in the Democratic Party than what is in the actual autopsy release. Like the anatomy of the autopsy.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

That's a good point.

[Tim Miller]

Thank you. Was a good tweet. I tweeted that. And it is. That is clear to me that if you just look at the way the DNC handled this, you're like, well, this is the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party. It's that they both. They, like, got a cozy friend to write it, the product was bad, then they decided not to release it, then they get hounded by the press, then they release it under duress, and when they do, it's garbage. So that tells a story much more than when you read the actual autopsy, which tells you there are some things in there that are probably true. But honestly, the. The piece that was in the Bulwark by Rob Flaherty.

[Sarah Longwell]

Rob Flaherty.

[Tim Miller]

Flaherty Faherty. Which is actually a clothing. But yeah, it's like, filled with soft stuff that a lot of, like, middle aged. Yeah, yeah. But that's not how his name's pronounced. I've only ever seen it. Ever seen it written down. I've never actually seen it. I've never heard it pronounced. But anyway, he wrote a great piece about the autopsy in the Bulwark. You will get much more nutritious information about it from him than you will if you try to navigate this Google Doc.

[Sarah Longwell]

Get over your pronunciation, it's so good. Ken Martin, hearty. Oh, no, Robert for hearty. Can we talk about Ken Martin? Does he, like. Does he make it to the midterms? I think we're close enough that he makes it at this point though, right?

[Tim Miller]

I don't know. I mean, I will just tell you that my sources tell me that there's a lot of incoming phone calls to a lot of different people being like, can you please run the dnc? Like there is a. There is a mad dash to try to find a replacement.

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[Sarah Longwell]

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[Unnamed Female Co-host]

I've got a nominee. Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens, are you available? You could quit the Michigan Senate race and run the dnc. We'd Love to have you. I'm sure, I'm sure that, I'm sure the left would be really excited about that.

[Sarah Longwell]

I might not go over too hot. Someone had suggested Rahm Emanuel, too. I don't know if that's gonna go over too hot. There was a question was what? Who has the authority to fire Ken Martin? And my understanding, I don't know if you know better than I do. Like, there's the Rules and bylaws committee at the dnc. There's members of the committee. They'd have to call some sort of session. I don't really know how it technically works. Probably get a vote in no confidence. But do you know, like the.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah, well, I do for my RNC time. Is it the same? No, it's, I mean, it's different because these stupid committees have dumb bylaws with different, like, provisions. Like, the gist is the same. Like there's actually having been a former Republican, only know the number of people on the Republican version of the committee. But you know, there's some, some odd dozen members of the committee, you know, and then, you know, you'd have to have a parliamentary se know, you'd have to call them in, they'd have to vote. But it's, it's the members of the committee that would do it. I think Donna Brazil is like the point person now overseeing the members of the dnc.

[Sarah Longwell]

Let me just add this on Ken Martin, and then we'll go to break because I want to talk a little bit about the slush fund, the J Success fund. On the mine thing, it's like, it's not. People have argued well how big a deal is having a competent DNC chair. And it's not nothing, right? It's like you have to raise money and you have to drive message. You have to support infrastructure and you have to be the tip of the spear attacking Trump. And this Guy has spent 16 months in an absolute defensive crouch doing nothing. And this autopsy report is just a symptom of a very failed chairmanship. Last word and then we'll go to break.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, what you want the DNC to be is something that is in the background doing its work and not becoming the center of the story. Like the messaging failure isn't just that they're not succeeding in attacking Trump incompetence, that their incompetence has become the story. And once that's happening, and this is where, you know, finding the, the, the mechanisms of a no confidence vote. Anything else? Look, Ken Martin obviously can't handle the strategy. He obviously can't handle the messaging and he obviously can't handle the fundraising. Like, at some point, and this is a Biden lesson, when it gets this bad, you gotta step down, do the right thing for the party and let somebody else lead it. Like that's, that's the right thing for a company. It's the right thing for a political party. It's the right thing for an ancillary group in the political party. And so, I mean, it's over, man. This has been as badly handled as anybody could be. You want the DNC to stop being the story?

[Sarah Longwell]

All right, let's take a quick break and when we come back, we're talking J6 reparations and will or will the president attend his son's wedding? We don't know. Good tease. Talk to you soon.

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[Sarah Longwell]

All right, we're back here live streaming from the bus on our way to la. Still on ro. I've not vomited, which is like, what? Yukon.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

That's good hat. Are you Feeling queasy.

[Sarah Longwell]

I get a little, you know, I have a very Jewish constitution, and I don't like long trips on the bus. So deal with it for now. I haven't vomited this morning. Donald Trump gave a press conference. We were boarding, and so we didn't see live. But the clip basically is. A reporter asked the president, are you gonna attend your son's wedding? And this will be Don Jr. Who's getting married for the second time. And the president said, more or less. I don't know. Maybe I got things going on like Iran and I would get killed no matter what I do by the press. If I attend his wedding, you're gonna say, I'm taking my off the ball if I don't attend his wedding. I'm a bad dad. I happen to think that no one would get mad at him for attending his son's wedding. I find it odd that this is debatable. Am I wrong?

[Tim Miller]

I think you're not wrong that the press would not give him a hard time about attending his son's wedding. The best part about that clip is him being like, I've known this person for a very long time. I think. I'm pretty sure he means whoever's like, betrothed. But it does sound like he's known Don Jr. For a long time. He actually says too. He's like, he'd like me to come, but I'm like, yeah. He says he'd like me to come, but this is a very. But I told him, you know, I got a lot of things going on. This is a hard time for me. It reminds me of the episode of Succession where the mogul dad doesn't come to his oldest son's wedding. The Rupert Murdoch character. And it is. You know him. What is the oldest son's name? Do you remember? Do you guys watch Succession? Whatever. The chat will give it to his. Yeah, no. Kendall's the. No. Here's an older son from a First Americana. That's right. The one. The one who's, like, not really treated as the oldest son who runs for president.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

So he just doesn't go to his. Now they have to spend many millions more to get him to 1%. Anyway. That's. It's just reminded me of that. Which is, by the way, a story about the intense failures of a human being to love his children and then for them to be able to love him back adequately.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Longwell]

You gonna go to the.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

No. Do you have any thoughts on the wedding? Not really. I mean, I don't. I Don't think that Donald wants to go. I don't. I guess it'll be my take. I don't know if this is obvious, but.

[Sarah Longwell]

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious when you're floating that you won't go to your own son's wedding.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

You probably don't think Iran. I don't think Iran is the reason. Things seem pretty stable in Iran. We've been in a ceasefire. Not ceasefire. Where the Strait of Hormuz is closed and Donald Trump's threatening to end their civilization one minute and then being like, well, maybe not the next minute. That's. That's been kind of the status quo for about five, six weeks now. So I think that. I don't know why.

[Sarah Longwell]

Yeah, you're right. The excuse would be a lot more convincing if he's like, I really need to see this ballroom through. Like, that's something you care about.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Focused on that. He's been spending a lot more time and intensity on that.

[Sarah Longwell]

The other big news people are asking if others on the bus.

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[Tim Miller]

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[Sarah Longwell]

There are others on the bus. Okay. Like, I couldn't read that. All right, put it back on us. All right.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

We could have done an rv, though. When you look at the. At the total number here.

[Sarah Longwell]

Yeah, this bus is excessive. There's a fair number of open seats back there.

[Tim Miller]

Road rules, the bulwark. Yeah.

[Sarah Longwell]

All right. The other big story this morning, J6 reparations. There's like an absolute who's who of psychopaths lining up for money here. We talked about it a bit last night, Michael And Dell wants $400 million. There's some riders who want 5 million, 30 million. They put out a DOJ, put out a one pager, trying to, like, clarify the processes by which people will be eligible for this stuff. And one of the things was like,

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[Sarah Longwell]

for this if your phones were, like, you know, monitored by Jack Smith. And it just struck me as like, a very obvious bribe. Right. Like, you can get this money if you really want, so we'll see if that works.

[Tim Miller]

So, obviously, I think the slush fund is one of the most corrupt, nakedly corrupt things we've ever seen out of the government.

[Sarah Longwell]

What's an honest second? Like, what are the. What's the competition? What.

[Tim Miller]

What is. What is the thing that, like, the NRO types keep talking about? It's like the Eagles skip. Yeah. I will tell you, there is a line of argument out there on the Twitters by some of the anti. Antis that everything Donald Trump is doing right now. He learned from the Democrats, and I swear to God, there is no more pathetic attempt from these people to try to gloss over how nakedly corrupt Donald Trump is being like, it is. It is out front for everybody to see. However, I have decided that I sort of like this slush fund story for us, meaning every single person. If Mike Lindell gets millions of dollars every January 6th, insurrectionist, that gets millions of dollars. Oann getting millions of dollars while people are paying six bucks for gas and their groceries keep going up and inflation keeps going up. Every news story about who is getting millions of dollars is a news cycle that is bad for Trump and that is emphasizing this level of corruption. Let's just put it all out there and make them defend each one of these one by one. I sort of love that for them.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah. I mean, my question is, people want to know my. Yeah, okay. The question I have is, like, they're trying to claw this back. Is that even possible at this point?

[Sarah Longwell]

You know, one proposal that's been introduced is to tax every dollar that is used through this, given out through the fund, at 100%, which would claw it back. But you need Donald Trump's signature for that. So that's not going to happen. I think there's some other Republicans who want to just sort of put more strict, you know, requirements on who can apply for it, but it's just blatantly corrupt that they even created out of thin air.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Is there a website for applications? Like, we send people on the YouTube there, too.

[Sarah Longwell]

So that, that's the subterfuge thing happening here, where everyone's. There's this talk in, like, liberal communities that just deluge them with applications and, like, see what happens. But that just presumes that they haven't already decided who they're going to reward it to. So I don't know.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Yeah, it's bad.

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[Sarah Longwell]

It's not good. It ranks as the most corrupt act. I guess I'll close it on this. Oh, they want to know our road snacks. I. I'm. I don't have one. I'm waiting on some yogurt parfait, which is probably not a good idea. Oh, yeah, I don't know. It's been. It's been sitting up there in the sun, excited to dive into it.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

I had a banana nut muffin. It was very nice. I spilled my cold brew already. And that, that chair over there right next to my. Next to my Oasis bag. You can see the. You can see the spill that I did So I spilled a cold brew. I have some peanut butter crackers that I brought for myself.

[Sarah Longwell]

I might have to grab one.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

Okay. I think they're under the bus, though, actually. But we'll see. We can always stop. And I have a joint, too, that was given to us last night.

[Sarah Longwell]

Yeah, you took it. Good for you.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

In the bag.

[Sarah Longwell]

I would just say that was a very suspicious joint given to us. It was already opened. And he just, like, came up to me afterwards.

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[Sarah Longwell]

I was like, this thing is opened. Your snacks. Oh, sorry.

[Unnamed Female Co-host]

You want to talk to the joint? My favorite joint story from one of our live shows was in Philadelphia when, I don't know, we were very security conscience. I forget something must have just happened. So we had more security than we usually do. And the security was, like, adamant that they escort me home to the hotel. And I was like, okay. And I was like, but I'm running outside and have a cigarette. And I went out there and a guy was smoking a joint. And he's like, I've always wanted to smoke a joint with Tim Miller. And I was like, okay. I turned this. So we turned the corner. I kind of, like, did a little joint in the corner. And the security guy's like, what the fuck? And I felt like I was a teenager again. I was, like, hiding from the security. I felt like on one of those. On the West Wing or something when the child of the president's, like, hiding from the Secret Service, trying to.

[Sarah Longwell]

Why did the security care about your.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, what are we talking about now? Am I telling stories about getting caught smoking weed?

[Sarah Longwell]

You can tell the Canadian.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know. You know, I brought I. My favorite road trip snack is always combos. When I was a. When I have my younger days, the pretzel ones. And listen, they're hideous. Like, they are filled with. They're filled with processed, like, canned cheese surrounded by a, you know, circular pretzel. But I used to get that in a Dr. Pepper on every road trip when I was young. But I can't drink soda anymore. So now it's just combos and a. And a tepid coffee. You know, the glamorous life.

[Sarah Longwell]

All right, well, we're gonna leave it there. I'm looking around. This ride is gorgeous. We got the Pacific Ocean to our left. We got some mountain range to our right, making our way gradually up to Los Angeles for our show tonight. If you're in the LA area, we still have a few tickets left, I think. Bulwark.com events if you want to get them tonight. For those who watch this and didn't get carsick through our live stream, congrats. I made it too. I'm happy for myself. We'll see you later tonight. La.

[Tim Miller]

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