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Will Sommer
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Host
Hey, everyone, it is Mag Mondays. I'm with Will Sommer, fresh off of being on the mall. You were on the mall till what, 2:00am, 3:00am no, hardly.
Will Sommer
Hardly.
Host
You didn't go?
Will Sommer
No, it looked like hell on earth.
Host
I thought you were like, super into these types of things, but I guess not. I guess you hate America.
Will Sommer
Well, I actually am really into these things. A younger Will definitely would have gone. And even after the kids were asleep and everything, I was like, well, this thing doesn't kick off till 11pm I could kind of sneak down. But, you know, I, I wed out.
Host
I, I, I started getting a little anxious around 6pm on July 4th when we got the first alert that weather was going to be a problem and that people had to leave the mall because I thought to myself, well, that's not going to be easy to do to get them all out and then to get them all back in. And then like, you know, Trump was going to be cavalier about the weather and he, he admitted it. He's like, you know, I, I just overrode the recommendations to shut it down because what's a little lightning? I got really anxious that we could have had some, some real calamity. And I think we largely avoided it. But the whole thing itself was kind of a calamity.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, obviously this is the big story is the debacle, whatever. I mean, I, you know, I heard you talking with Bill about this yesterday. It strikes me as kind of a classic Trump thing where it's like disaster, disaster, disaster. And then like they kind of pull something out at the end and people go, I guess the thing overall Was just fine. You know, kind of like the Iran war, right? Where it's like, okay, I guess it's over now. In this case, you know, it's. What was striking to me was, you know, we'd been talking for a week plus about, you know, what a mess the Great American State Fair was. You know, there was nothing to do. There were roving, you know, Uncle Sam sickos. There were all these things going on. And then when finally kind of the big flood of MAGA people get there and they start saying, wait a minute, this thing stinks. I mean, I was seeing, I was seeing various right wing people being like, I don't understand. You know what? There's no shade. In this case, there was, you know,
Host
look, there's no shade.
Will Sommer
Shade. Well, not really.
Host
I mean, like, I know there was no shade. It's the mall. Yeah.
Will Sommer
Well, you know, you could set up some tents or something. Theoretically there was. Look, I mean, you know, when I got married, it wasn't the most elaborate. It certainly wasn't as elaborate as the Great American State Fair, but we had a rain plan. Now in this case, you know, there was apparently no rain plan. They were just like, I don't know, can you go to the Voice of America building? I mean, it was, it, it was a huge mess.
Host
All right, let's back up a little bit. So the, the thing that really started popping online was when they discovered the weather and that it was gonna be hot, which, you know, it didn't take a genius to sort of know that it was going to be super hot because you can get 10 day forecasts at this point in time in your life. Thank God. And it was like, yeah, there's a heat dome going to be descending on Washington D.C. it's going to be about like 100, but it's going to feel about 110. And you should prepare and, you know, I, you know, prepared by not going, but others could have prepared, but instead there was this kind of subterranean discussion, I guess not subterranean, because it popped up into the, into view about whether the weather was geoengineered to take, to take down the America 250. So. Kylie Kramer, is that how you pronounce it? You would know.
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Will Sommer
Yeah.
Host
Okay. I don't know if we have the truth, but Kylie Kramer started off by saying, I'm telling y' all that someone with an extreme case of TDS, that's Trump Derangement Syndrome, geoengineered this weather in D.C. same way they geoengineered Trump's inauguration to be one of the coldest in U.S. history. People with TDS hate Trump more than they love America. Do they really believe that, like, some group of Deep state actors are doing, like, weather balloon thing and they're trying to get it really hot and cold just depending on how to fuck with Trump? Is that like an honest to God belief in their brains?
Will Sommer
Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And you know, this woman's backstory, I mean, this isn't some random wacko we found. It's a prominent wacko. I mean, this is the lady I believe. Women's for Trump. Women for Trump. She organized the rally on the ellipse that preceded January 6th, though the riot. And so this is like a relatively prominent Republican activist. And, you know, I think this weather stuff, this has become such a. A belief. You know, you think about Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about the Jewish space lasers, right? The idea is that, like, you know, every event, everything is connected. Everything has a hidden hand behind it. So in this case, one of the most classic random things, the weather, Right. That no human can control. It goes without saying that there's the Deep state is behind it.
Host
So he's the Jews. Lest you think that it was Kylie alone, we have a couple other examples of this. Let's pull up the Rosie Mamos tweet here. All right? She says, side note, there was absolute. There was absolute sabotage. It should be investigated why there was a bogus weather call while they shut down every checkpoint and why no one knew from new what the world was happening. I guess that's not saying they engineered the weather just so much as they.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I want to talk about Rosie memos. She's got an interesting character. I think she's a QAnon person I followed from, like, you know, eight years ago or something. And I've been watching her journey. And so in this case, she went to the Great American State Fair, and she was walking around being like, this thing is a dump. Why did I do this? This is such an organizational disaster. My highlight was after people got kicked out because of the weather delay, she went up to the Secret Service and showed them Trump's tweet that was like, the party's back on. And they said, they said she was lying and had made a fake tweet and, you know, told her off. You know,
Host
and so, so what happened?
Will Sommer
This case, you can see the timestamp here. This is obviously after the fireworks, after it was somewhat salvaged. So she was saying, you know, darn you, Trump administration. What is a disaster? And now she's saying, well, you know, I guess it was the, the nws, the National Weather Service. They tricked us because they hate Trump so much.
Host
She knows that the Trump administration controls the nws, though. So this is, you know, this is the whole thing. It's like, oh, and this happened with the Patriot Front stuff too, which we talked about. Bill and I talked about yesterday, where it was just like, oh, man. You know, Patriot Front, these neo Nazis showed up in, in the Union Station and they started marching and they're stupid khakis. I hate those stupid khakis. You could see, like, they were so sweaty. Like, a lot of them had, like, legitimate. And there's no other way to phrase this. They had butt sweat in their khakis because it was really hot and they're wearing khakis and they got a face mask and all their stupid gear. But, like, the whole thing was like, oh, the Feds, the Feds are there. Like, I, I, Someone said the Feds, I think is the daily YCO was like, oh, it's the Feds. And then other people were like, oh, it's Hill staffers. And like, other people, like, it's the Feds and Southern Poverty Law Center. And it's like, dude, at some point there has to be some recognition that Donald Trump is the federal government, that these people are being being run by the Trump administration. But that doesn't seem to compute. Like, how would the Feds be infiltrating Patriot Front and doing this if not for Donald Trump? I don't understand the logic.
Will Sommer
The Southern Poverty Law center, after, even after being Fed, you know, they'll never stop. In this case, it is kind of a, it's a classic Trump thing where it's like, they're like, Trump, he's the man. He's this, you know, he's this world historical figure. At the same time, he'. He's easily duped by his advisors, the bad advisors. Or in this case, I mean, the idea that like, a rogue faction of the FBI is secretly running a white supremacist organization, you know, flouting Cash Patel, all this stuff, that would be a big scandal. And it would suggest maybe Cash Patel should be fired, among other things. And yet they're just like, you know, it's the Feds, it's the nws. I mean, I think this was a real good microcosm of like, you know, at least a good part of maga. People just do not live in the real world. You know, later on when they are told to evacuate the mall, they are arguing with the Secret Service. There was a guy saying, you know, I refuse to leave. George Washington crossed the Delaware with all his men at trench foot and smallpox. And now they want us to leave for a little rain. You know, this idea that just like, I can will this thing into existence. I don't have to exist in the real world.
Host
It is true. The bar is so low. I think people are like comparing this to like storming the beaches in Normandy, right? It's like, yeah, you had to delay it a couple hours and then you like took the stage. Not, not going to compare this one to World War II. And yet there was another great dispatch from the Times. Again, back to the weather being controlled by the Jews or someone. Here we go. This is a reporter for the Times who's on the Mall, reporting from the mall at 7:45 ish pm when she tweets this or post this, I should say it's a chaotic scene on the National Mall. Several hundred people refused to leave despite an order to evacuate because of severe storms approaching. An officer sternly repeating the evacuation order over a bullhorn. And the crowd is booing. Many begun chanting, usa, usa. One man blamed the situation on, quote, liberals in the weather service, adding, quote, I think this is baloney. So, yeah, people had to leave. They, they took cover in, as you said, the Voice of America building. The, the other one that tickled me was the African American Museum was, you know, 5,000 or so people just kind of hanging out there. They, they made it back. They did make it back. They did the fireworks. But first. And then. Oh, sorry. They did the fireworks and then Trump spoke. Do I have the sequence right? That's right.
Will Sommer
No, no, Trump spoke and then the fireworks.
Host
And then the fireworks. The fireworks are pretty cool, I'll give them that. I said I gave him the kudos on Bill's show, except if you were in Virginia, because then it just looked like an absolute cloud of smoke and haze and like the, the Capitol was being absolutely bombarded. I don't know. Did you wake up on Sunday and go outside by any chance, or. Sorry, was it Saturday? No, it was Sunday.
Will Sommer
I went outside as little as I could, you know. Yes, DC recorded the worst air quality in the world.
Host
In the world.
Will Sommer
The worse than like Karachi, Pakistan or Jakarta, Indonesia. The worst possible. You know, I will say I was out watching the street fireworks. D.C. has a thriving street fireworks scene. They were going pop, pop, pop, pop. So, yes, I was watching that and I think it was a good, as you said, it was good fireworks display, but it's kind of a classic Trump thing where we're like, you know, I feel like we really have to lower our standards, where it's like, you know, oh, I like the fireworks, I guess, you know, it's kind of like, you seen one firework, you've seen them all.
Host
No.
Will Sommer
Oh, my God. I saw you talking about this with Bill, and I was like, I'm coming. Yeah.
Host
Why are you anti fireworks?
Will Sommer
You know, I'm not anti fireworks. I. I guess. I mean, I mentioned the illegal ones. I like the illegal frison of, like, you know, shooting them off, you know, with the man, you know, it won't be happy about it. But at the same time, you know, I. I guess from this fireworks show that Trump did, I wish for a little more variety. It was sort of like, well, Normally we have eight go off at once, and this time we'll have 20 go off at once.
Host
All right. Wow. You're like. I feel like you're into drones. The drone shows more.
Will Sommer
Did you see the drone farting one? Is that real? There was. So this wasn't July 4th. This was recently, though, the couple things I wanted to flag about the July 4th festivities. There was also. The Times initially reported that there was, like, a stampede, and then they cut that line. But this is interesting. There was an apparent attempt to, like, rush the stage because people like James o', Keefe, Emily Miller, all conservative figures, said that there was like, basically when they were being told to leave, people were like, screw that. We're rushing the stage. And so there was kind of like a mini stampede. Some people got knocked down. Fortunately, it seems like it was all okay.
Host
Well, you mentioned Emily Miller. She had a really hilarious dispatch. Emily Miller, people know, longtime conservative voice. She's been doing some sort of, like, I don't know, reporting, I suspect. Well, you think it's performance art from the Reflecting Pool? Yeah.
Will Sommer
So she's kind of the big, like, the reflecting Pool rules. The antifa. Cut it up, whatever. She's very, like, sycophantic to the guys who do the sealant. She's just like, I'm doing. But, you know, what's interesting about her videos is they appear to sort of exist in a realm beyond, like, empirical evidence. And so she'll say, like, here's proof that the antifa did it. And she shows kind of like a collage of images, and it's like, I don't know, what. What am I supposed to be looking at here? So the. You know, it's interesting. And so in this case, she's on the mall because she's like, the mall's number one fan.
Host
Before we get into it, like, does she just spend her entire time on the mall now?
Will Sommer
Yeah, she's called the running reporter. This is because she runs. I guess she jogs on the mall. And so that's why she's always around to, you know, film the contractors or film the antifa.
Host
But she's not like, is she selfieing it or she, like, got someone down there, like, to help film it?
Will Sommer
Because I think it's just her. I don't think the budget these days includes, you know, she was once a local news reporter, but I don't think she has a cameraman these days.
Host
Okay, go on. Sorry I interrupted you.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Go on.
Will Sommer
So she filmed herself getting booted out of the mall by the Secret Service as they were herding everyone out. And let's just. She finds an unusual source of sustenance. Let's play that clip. Then a bunch of really psycho people, my fellow citizens, started running to the seats.
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Crazy.
Will Sommer
As if they're running away from something,
Host
which was my first instinct about the whole situation.
Will Sommer
I'm eating potato chips that are. Somebody left half empty from that home. So she's an unusual figure, sort of a magpie, if you will. She kind of hops around and like, what was interesting to me about this is she. She's a Trump person. And so she has to. James o' Keefe was in a similar role, but it's like she has to acknowledge that there was a stampede, that people are acting badly. But then she's like, of course, my fellow citizens. And she also acknowledges that this event is so poorly run that she has to scavenge garbage to stay alive.
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Will Sommer
Refreshers contain caffeine.
Host
It wasn't garbage. It was. It was half eaten potatoes, an abandoned
Will Sommer
bag of potato chips.
Host
Would you not do that?
Will Sommer
You know, what's the.
Host
What's the worst.
Will Sommer
I'm not too good for it.
Host
Yeah, I was gonna say, what's. If you were in that situation, like, what's the bar like? Obviously, I'm not eating. Like, you know, like, there's like a. A quart of a hot dog left or something. I'm not gonna touch it. Oh, no. Come on. What would you eat? Like, to. To, like. I'm not saying you're starving like you're going to die. I'm just saying you're really hungry, and, like, you need something and you're just looking around, like, how low would you go?
Will Sommer
You know, I'd probably do the chips. You know, I wanted to make fun of Emily for this one time in high school.
Host
Oh, no.
Will Sommer
A roll of, like, a thing of fudge. Like, a little, like, lunch fudge thing came slight. Or pudding came just sliding across the floor. It was closed. And I just was like, all right, free pudding. And like, no one was around. I don't know how it got there. And so I just started eating it. And then this teacher was like, why are you eating in the hal. And I got detention over it. And I was just like, I don't know. I just found this pudding, and they were like, what? That's. That's not a good explanation. But so. So, you know, I wanted to make fun of Emily here, but.
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But.
Will Sommer
But I'm no better.
Host
You just found pudding across.
Will Sommer
And I thought, well, I don't know. It's about.
Host
You have a spoon or did you go, like, it gets better than the fingers in the pudding, but it's pretty gross, dude. Okay. I would have. I don't know if I would have done the chips. I honestly don't know. Half open bag. Who knows whose grimy hands were in there? Probably some kid. And yet it's better than, like, you know, definitely better than, like, a burger. Like a happy burger or dog. I wouldn't do that. I'm trying to think how low I would go. I guess I would do the chips, but it's really a tough call. It also sort of depends on the. The type of chip. And like, like, isn't uts, like, having a big recall right now? I don't think I would do that. And. And, like, in the flavor, like, I. I don't think I would do, you know, if it was like, jalapeno chips. I don't know if I'd do that.
Will Sommer
Yeah, that.
Host
Of an acquired taste, especially in 101 degree heat. You don't want that. Absolutely not. The other great video from. I can't believe your pudding star. You're gonna have to clip that one.
Will Sommer
All right. From the festivities.
Host
Is this woman dancing? And I have no clue who this woman is. You found it. You tweeted it. Like, do we have any context?
Will Sommer
Let me give a backstory. So this Is like when I talk about hell on earth. I mean, the part where people were kicked out and then there as. I mean, you made the Children of Men reference yesterday. They're like against the chain link fence, you've got the troops and the.
Host
Didn't look like Children of Men.
Commercial Announcer
It did.
Will Sommer
It really did. It's like this urban environment. People are like fenced in. And it was just so like, you know, I would see these videos and it's like some of our brave, you know, Twitter Personas. In this case, this video comes from a Richmond, Virginia guy named Goad Gatsby. Some of the people down there who were bravely documenting this for us. But, you know, I would see in these videos, you know, someone with like a toddler on their arms and it's like, I cannot. I would have been back at the
Host
hotel for a second. You have a kid. I have k kids. The idea of bringing my child to that is like so beyond the realm of sanity and reason. My kid would have been in absolute misery. I mean, the heat, the. The time spent outdoors, the. The clear abstinence, absence of food, available food. We would have been eating a lot worse than the half bags of chips at that point in time. I would. It would have been parental malfeasance or, or whatever you want to call it. It would have been awful.
Will Sommer
Yeah. You know, I saw people on the DC subreddit saying, you know, can I bring my like 75 year old grandmother and my toddlers to this? It's like, no, they will die. Don't do it.
Host
Oh my God. All right, back to the.
Will Sommer
So in this case, this kind of like Hieronymous Bosch type seed opens up where people are like jamming, whatever. So this video just. It struck me about something that is so 20, 26, the way we live. Now. Let's check out this clip. She's going for it.
Host
Oh, come on. All we get is that. Can we play one more time? Are we allowed to play one more time? Yes, do it one more time.
Will Sommer
She's got moves.
Host
Honestly, I'm dying. She's good.
Will Sommer
I don't care what the going. I mean, I think she's doing, you know, like, like the. This, this.
Host
Who is she? Where did come from? Can we get her on the show?
Will Sommer
She's just a lady who's. Who's busted a move. I mean, I have to say, you know, she ate and left no crumbs. You know it. I think she did a great job there.
Host
That, that. Those are the best vibes of the entire thing. Honestly, she made good. She. She really put, put a smile on my face. I want to close out this segment of the 250. I asked you in advance so you've had some time to prep. But you know, I want to gamify this a little bit. So what. I have my list. I have actually like five. But I asked you for three. Three of your sort of iconic memories of this whole 10 day festival. What were they like?
Will Sommer
When I look, when I look back in the nursing home at the. The bi sesquicentennial or whatever. Look, I mean we've got it covered up. I'll talk, I'll think about that lady, you know, rocking out. The lady.
Host
You've got her top three.
Will Sommer
Yeah, well, I, you know, I think the Emily Miller thing, I think, I guess like for me overall the vibe was just so weird. Like what was being. What was coming out of it was just so odd.
Host
Give me specifics. Do you need my three?
Will Sommer
Yeah, give me your three.
Host
Okay, well, high five. Well, I'll do my three. I thought the Uncle Sam sicko as you referenced was like unbelievable and really it was like symbolism.
Will Sommer
He's been, he's back, right? And so he's. He couldn't go on the fair, but he was like just, he was like really skirting the edges. Like he could go to the Lincoln Memorial or he could be across the street and he was posting like guess who's back? And like a picture is the uncle.
Host
This is the guy. Just for people who are not aware who was caught putting his hands in his pants watching Cirque Day, whatever it's called. What was it?
Will Sommer
Mechanic.
Host
And they were like, sir, you cannot touch yourself while watching Cirque de Mechanic. You actually need to go away. And he just came back awful. So that's on my top list. I thought that the. Did you see the thing where the was coming out of the.
Will Sommer
Yes.
Host
Yeah, like that, that, that. Again, another symbolic moment where it's like this thing is literally being held together by like kind of glue and it's falling apart because of the heat. I thought that was interesting. And then the piece of the stage that fell on, the people who were not performing, they were practicing there, they're getting in reps and someone nearly could have died because this huge piece of stage just fell. I thought that was interesting too. I added on there. I have, I mentioned the African American Museum. I thought that was very interesting to see. That's probably the only time that these MAGA people are going to end up in that museum. And I'M glad that they made it. Probably should go under less adverse circumstances. Square museum. And then there was, oh, I did mention the woman dancing, but we talked about her. And then the 25 sausage. I thought that was just too expensive.
Will Sommer
I have two. One I witnessed personally. It was. I was coming out of the food hall and there was a family with like five young kids and the, the woman, the mom is holding like a huge pizza, no doubt awful. And holding another kid in one arm. And the two year old rips his shirt off and goes running. And the dad goes, whatever, I'm going to the Montana booth. And he abandons his family. And the idea these booths were all bad, Right. It's just gonna be a sign that says Montana. The idea of a man just abandoning his harried wife, his children running amok so he can go like, I don't know, sit in a chair that says Montana on it. I felt really, I was like, buddy, it's not, it's not, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. The, the other moment I wanted to. God, there's. There's so many. I, you know what? I. It just flew out of my head.
Host
But.
Will Sommer
But there were really a lot of great moments from the America 250.
Host
Okay, well, I want to thank you for covering it for us, Will. And honestly, like, I'm glad it's over. It was a lot. It was 10 days of this. It's time to move on. I'm happy for the country, love the country. 250. We made it.
Will Sommer
All the times that like Fox News or cabinet secretaries would be up and they'd say, this is the most rocking fair ever. And then the video would pan to just one man or two people.
Host
Oh, my God, it was so good. All right, we got another segment now. Joe Rogan.
Will Sommer
Yes.
Host
So I, I don't even know who the guest was here, but this one,
Will Sommer
oh, it was, it was Tony Hinchcliffe of Kill Time. Oh, yeah, the Puerto Ricans number one enemy.
Host
Oh, my God, Tony's gotten. Tony's like, had a renaissance man. That guy's everywhere. He's very popular now. Anyway, Joe Rogan had Tony on and they start talking and I don't know how. I'd be very curious to understand how Rogan, like, what goes through his head and like how he gets these topics because sometimes he's just riffing and you're like, sorry, how did he come up with that idea? But let's play what he said about the fact that there's no rap Songs on, like, the Billboard top 50 or whatever it is, which happens to correspond, I suppose, with the absence of USAID aid funding.
Will Sommer
Let's.
Host
Let's listen to Joe Rogan here.
Will Sommer
But people are pointing out that right
Host
now it's like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts. Yeah.
Will Sommer
And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with usaid? Was USAID, like, actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so possible popular?
Host
Is that real? That can't be real.
Will Sommer
I love Tony Hinchcliffe saying, yeah, like, this is just the most grave thing. Yeah, that's so true.
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Will Sommer
So this is. This is interesting. This is something I see over and over on the right.
Host
Is it interesting?
Will Sommer
Well, I don't know.
Host
What do I know?
Will Sommer
So here's the. Here's the deal. So ever since, you know, Doge defunded usaid, every time any or anything gets less popular or changes or has financial issues, they say, I guess this was being propped up by usaid. Now, you have to be dumb as a rock to believe this, but the, you know, the first example of this was Politico, right. Last year, where. Where it was like Politico laid some people off, and then people started saying, I guess USAID was funding Politico. And then this actually created a lot of problems for Politico because then it became like this, you know, kind of people were like, oh, the government needs to cut all its subscriptions. Politico. But I've seen this over and over, and I think this idea actually came from Tim Pool, the podcaster. And so he said, you know, he screenshotted, you know, this idea that, you know, rap is, you know, becoming less prominent on the Billboard charts. Lizzo, Lizzo's new album didn't even chart what happened. And so it only sold 2600 copies. And, you know, he says, it looks like he's trying to say here. He says, sit was all USAID the whole time. And I think he's kind of pushed this idea otherwise that. This idea that rap music was sort of a USAID psyop. It's crazy. But, you know, in the world where, again, it's kind of causation, correlation, it's all jumbled up. This is an idea that's out there.
Host
Well, isn't it just racist? Right? Like, aren't they just saying, well, it funds black people?
Will Sommer
Well, you know, it's funny, also in this clip, Joe Rogan's like, you know, look, I. I love some hip hop all this stuff. I mean, a lot of these people, they. They unquestionably do, like, some rap music, and they're just like. The only explanation here is that some guy at USAID was like, you know, let's get. I don't even know who the cool rappers are these days. Let's get Lil Yachty on the line. Let's give him a million bucks.
Host
Okay, I think they have it backwards. I think it's not that USAID was funding rappers, is that rappers were rapping about usa and now that USA is gone, there's very little to rap about. In fact, we. We at MAGA Mondays, we obtained a. A track of rap music, just 14 seconds of it. But this was about to go viral, and it was about to top the charts. But because they pulled the USAID funding, we can no longer enjoy this because there's little to rap about. They had to pull the song, but let's play it.
Will Sommer
Disaster response following the rules Billions in
Host
the budget Boots on foreign ground Soft
Will Sommer
power moving quiet Never made a sound that's pretty good. That's pretty good.
Host
That's the.
Will Sommer
That's pretty good. Thank you, producer Matt Marshall.
Host
The.
Will Sommer
The idea of, like, rappers playing on, like, like, soft power moving quiet is just really good.
Host
I think that there's a.
Guest or Additional Commentator
I don't
Host
know why that one tickled me so much, guys. That's AI generated. Just want to be clear. I wasn't me. I think that's really good. They should start a whole genre of rap where it's just, like, obscure government agencies that they rap about. Right? Or like, the law of the Sea treaty. Oh, God. Before we go to commercial break, I just want to note that there's someone in the comments. Again, I monitor the comments as we do this. John 16:89 writes, Sam, you could have made a smoother segue from the masturbating Uncle Sam to coming out. Sorry. And yes, I could have, and I should have, and it would have been play on words, but, you know, you only can think as fast as your mind allows you to. All right, we're going to take a quick commercial break from my favorite medical sponsor, Zoc Doc. And then on the flip side, we will be talking about a whole host of stuff, including the controversial red car reversal. But first, zocdoc. Hey, summer's in full swing, and so it's easy to put off your doctor's appointments. It's one of those things that you just avoid doing. And if you're anything like me, it's really easy to keep putting off Making that doctor's appointment again and again and again and again. You think, I'll get to it next week. And then suddenly you look up and it's August. That's why today's sponsor is actually one I think people can use. It's zocdoc. I hate the whole process of finding a new doctor. Calling around, waiting for someone to answer, trying to figure out what's actually in network. Zocdoc takes a lot of that hassle away. Zocdoc likes you. Search and compare local and in network doctors. Zocdoc's website has tons of reviews from real patients and detailed doctor profiles to help you choose the right one. Plus, ZocDoc is free to use, and God knows I love things that are free to use. Your health matters and taking care of yourself shouldn't be complicated. Find and book the right doctor with Zocdoc. Head to zocdoc.com bulwarktakes to get started and check that appointment off your to do list. Don't wait till August. That's zocdoc.com bulwarktakes all right, I gotta go to Zoc Doc for my kid. He kind of sprained his foot swimming. I may have thrown him a little too hard in the pool. So I'm gonna use Zoc Doc. But everyone in the comments is like, why are you pimping Pocket Hose? And I'm just, I just, you know, what can I say? I love Pocket.
Will Sommer
I was mostly affiliated with that brand. Yes.
Host
It's unbelievable. You read the comments like, wait, why not Pocket? It's like, I don't to spend more ad money on the Bulwark, but I will, I will say Pocket is the best. Almost as good as Octoc. All right, so we don't usually cover sports news here at the Bulwark, although I would like to do more of it. But there was an obviously incredibly controversial decision made by FIFA to reverse the red card to Florian Balagorin. I mispronounced that Balorgrin, who is our, our top striker. And he, as you can tell, I'm a huge soccer fan. And, and it was a. Let's just say it was done after a ton of pressure from the Trump administration. The Trump administration is like, ah, we didn't do anything. It was, you know, we just made a few calls to inquire it like a big deal. You know, they did this on themselves. Independent body. I'm just going to read a little bit of Politico's rundown of it because it's it's actually kind of amazing how much pressure was put to put to get the Bogan red card reversed. By Wednesday night, the White House had committed itself to taking action over Bogan's red card with some soccer analysts believed to be harsh punishment for the infraction. Andrew Giuliani, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and senior U.S. soccer Federation officials, all of whom had watched the Bosnia match. This is when Balogan got the red card. Began activating plans to challenge the referee's on field decision to issue a red card. Successful appeals of the World cup red cards are exceedingly rare. In fact, it's last happened in I believe 1962. That kicked off four days of coordinated lobbying, legal maneuvering and diplomacy had stretched from the oval office to FIFA's headquarters in Zurich and underscored how invested Trump's inner circle had become in the second World cup hosted on US soil. They kept going on Sunday, day before us was due to face Belgium with Bologan on the bench. FIFA's disciplinary committee announced that it was suspending Belogan's one match suspension for a year. Trump thanked FIFA for quote, doing what was right and reversing a great injustice. Meanwhile, the Royal Belgian Football association and European Confederation UEFA, of which Belgium is a member, we're playing Belgium again. Are considering taking action against the FIFA ruling. According to high ranking UEFA official granted anonymity. So also on top of that, Trump placed a call to FIFA president Gianni Infantino. They had built up a big relationship. Obviously Trump was rewarded the very prestigious FIFA Peace prize earlier this year. The very prestigious and first and only FIFA fees prize. You've been following the, the reaction to this. Well, first of all, before we get to the Maga reaction, I will just personal disclosure. Conflicted. A little conflicted on this. Obviously rooting for usa. Really, really excited that Blogan's gonna play. That's great. Cool. But like, you know, it does seem a little bit like you're tainting the product. You know, you kind of tainted the product a little bit here. I don't know. What do you think?
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, I think it's terrible. I think, you know, if we do win the, the big, you know, take home the big cup as they say, you know, the, you know, it'll have like an asterisk on it. I mean, you know, it's just crazy to me. I don't think we should be bullying, you know, FIFA to get this revoked or to say, you know, you do it or you know, we'll blow up the world or whatever, you know, I mean, who knows? I mean, the U.S. president has a lot of power, but, you know, I, I don't like it at all.
Host
All right. I've been told by my producer, I've been mispronouncing the name the entire time. It's Balogun, not Belogan. Again, I don't, I, I, I freely admit I've not watched much soccer, so this is, you know, you can make fun of me in the comments all you want. What's the mag response been?
Commercial Announcer
They love it.
Will Sommer
I mean, you know, it's odd to me. I mean, I sort of felt like we could all agree that, you know, it's good, we want to win, it's good to win, but, you know, we shouldn't cheat, you know, but, But I guess that's so cool. Now, like, I saw, I believe it was, you know, our podsev buddy, Tommy Vitor tweeted something critical about this. And then Alex Baronson, the former New York Times reporter, turned, like, Covid fellow, he was just like, this is why Democrats keep losing. America hates Democrats. I was like, oh, God, what did he say? And I said, oh, he said we shouldn't cheat. You know, people, people love it. I mean, they're just like, yeah, we got to do whatever it takes to win. You know, I, I saw some, you know, kind of Trump world affiliate people saying, like, we must win, but, but at this, you know, I mean, look, if we wanted to threaten FIFA, I mean, we certainly could, but I don't think that's kind of in the spirit of the whole thing.
Host
No, it is. It's not quite in the spirit. And, and it's funny, because they're the Trump people are absolutely insisting we did nothing here. We just, we wanted to inquire about why this red card was issued. It just seemed odd that Balagun was, you know, issued this after a VAR review and that's it. Like, but the FIFA, they did. And then Trump just comes out and is like, thank you, FIFA, for doing what's right. Like, clearly taking credit for all this stuff. And then they were talking about today, Ted Cruz, I guess they had a vet this morning to talk about Trump cards. And Ted Cruz brings it up, and we have this.
Will Sommer
And on behalf of all Americans, thank you for getting rid of that ridiculous red card.
Host
This is his.
Will Sommer
It was spectacular. There was a reason the FIFA trophy
Host
sat here, here for as long as it did. Oops. I guess Trump did do it.
Will Sommer
Maybe it's the angle. I don't know. Trump looked so weird at that, like, he's kind of just like, he looks like kind of the Turtle Club and master of disguise. He just looks huge next to those guys.
Guest or Additional Commentator
I don't know.
Will Sommer
But, yeah, I mean, as you can tell, he, he's, he's like, ain't I a stinker?
Host
Cruz, I think, watches as much soccer as I do. Based on that clip, it feels like he, he has no idea what. Let me just say we, we, we. We do have Trump video talking about this as well. I think we should play that. And then I want to come back to you because another thing I want to ask you. Actually, we'll do that after the Trump video, but let's, let's do that Trump video first.
Guest or Additional Commentator
He didn't do anything wrong, and he's our best player or one of our best players, a very vital player. And he gave him a red card. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't think it meant much. Then I started hearing that that means he can't play in the next game. At least in the next game. I said, boy, that's a big. You know, if it happened to another player, it would have been unfair. But when they take your best player or just about, they have some great players, but. And they say you can't play, that's very unfair. That's. You know, it's one thing to penalize somebody for the game, but how do you penalize them for a game that hasn't been played yet? It's very unfair. You can't do that. So, yes, I asked for a review by FIFA.
Host
I mean, just. Okay, that's okay. Even I know this is ridiculous now. That's unfair. That's the rules. Like, that is literally the rules. I, I even, I knew that you're suspended for the next game. So he's basically saying people should just stop implementing this rule across the board. Like, what is the idea? Just change, Just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. This is insane. This is actually insane.
Will Sommer
Well, you know, it's very kind of a Trump thing to be like, hold up. This longstanding rule is being applied to me. It's like, you know, when the January six people got arrested and they were like, jail is not a nice place. This is not very fair to us. You know, it's all this stuff. I mean, it's crazy. It is interesting that he's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't really know anything about soccer. And so then I looked this up and I said, no, no, I don't think that'll apply to us.
Host
Hi. And it does put you in a weird spot, I suppose, but this is, again, classically Trumpian. Like, oh, if you're, if you're, like, find problems with Trump's approach to basically tearing up the rule book and saying, let's just apply it selectively to us, then you must hate America. No, come on, that's ridiculous. Obviously, we're rooting for America, and obviously we think Baligun is going to be much better to have on our team than not. But it does sort of taint it a little bit. If you have this situation in which clearly pressure was put on FIFA to reapply the rules or review what happened, and every other team in the tournament's not going to look at us and say, well, you know, if we win, it's under. It's under, you know, suspicion. And that's horrible. I mean, that actually, that actually ruins it for the team. So in this whole idea that he's benefiting the team, it's actually making it a lot harder for the team. I'd be very curious to see what the team says itself, because this is putting them in an. A lose, lose situation.
Will Sommer
Yeah, no, I, I don't like it, but, yeah, they. I do think we're going to see more, you know, voices from Republicans just saying, you know, we got to do whatever it takes to win, including, you know, calling in the White House.
Host
All right, so I asked you before this. Let's say that FIFA could reverse one other thing in politics, right? It's like they. You get. You get your get out of jail free card. What would you apply it to? Let's say, you know, the, the head of the Democratic Party. The head of the Republican Party can say, actually, you know what, that, that didn't count. What. How would you apply it?
Will Sommer
Well, you know, I think in the case of the Republican Party, it's got to be those Epstein binders. You know, the moment Pam Bondi passed out those binders, it was over. You know, they had a huge headache. You know what? I think for Democrats, I like it.
Host
So see FIFA review. FIFA's reviewed Pam Bondi's decision to issue the binders, and we're actually attracting it.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Yeah.
Will Sommer
Jack Posobic, hand it back. You know.
Host
Yeah.
Will Sommer
And then, then I think maybe for Democrats, you know, this is kind of old now, but I think, you know, the classic comey letter, you know, about investigating Hillary Clinton, you know, let's reel that one back in.
Host
Oh, I was gonna say. So mine was the debate, actually. Joe Biden didn't debate. Sorry, sorry. We were doing the. You got to redo the rules. FIFA has looked at this under section 27 of their bylaws, and, you know, Joe Biden actually did not debate, and we have to redo it over. That should be. There should be some sort of like that. That should be available for people. Well, you get one redo. Okay.
Guest or Additional Commentator
God.
Host
We're at 38, nine minutes, and we got a bunch of stuff to go through. So let's. Let's do through it. Your boy, poor Ryan Fournier.
Will Sommer
Infant. Terrible.
Host
What is going on with this guy?
Will Sommer
All right, people might.
Commercial Announcer
Hold on.
Host
People might think this is. That they're watching last week's episode because we did talk about Ryan Fournier getting arrested in last week's episode, and I think three episodes prior to this, apparently it's happened again or something.
Will Sommer
What's going on? This has happened even, like, you know, when I did a video with Tim about it, and they'll be like, why do you want to talk about this old thing? And it's like, no, it's new. It's new. So here's the deal. So, students for Trump founder Ryan Fournier, a few weeks ago, I wrote about his, you know, alleged involvement in a fake Secret Service agent scheme. Then two weeks ago, at this point, he was arrested after police searched his apartment and found coke as part of a gun investigation. And now this is breaking news. This has not been reported by anyone else, folks. This is MAGA Monday exclusive.
Commercial Announcer
Wow.
Will Sommer
Ryan Fournier is now facing felony charges.
Host
Let's throw.
Will Sommer
Let's throw those bad boys up. So this was filed, I believe, on Thursday. We don't have the indictment yet. It's coming on Tuesday. I will be there at the arraignment, folks. All right, these are the kind of charges you don't want to get filed against yourself. So we've got threat to kidnap or injure a person, simple assault, felony contempt of court, two counts of obstruction of justice, another simple assault, and another felony threat to kidnap or injure a person. Or maybe that's not a felony. We'll have to see. But look, that's, you know, look, kidnapping stuff, obstruction justice stuff. Prosecutors take this pretty seriously. And ironically, folks, of course, with anything in the. In D.C. but the court record made it clear. Charges filed by Janine Pirro, the US Attorney who Ryan Fournier has, you know, flattered on the. In the past on Twitter, so.
Host
Oh, Piro, I forgot about that connection.
Will Sommer
Oh, my God, it's so. We'll have to find out the Details here. But you know, this fella, he, he's in a heap of trouble.
Host
What's he up to? Is he like, okay, he's.
Will Sommer
So that's the other part.
Host
Right, so he's not tweeting, is he?
Will Sommer
He was arrested in late May on the. That's a good point. I, I check. He was arrested, you know, some of those J6 people got phones. So when he was, he was arrested in late May on a domestic violence charge. Then he was arrested again for kind of violating order related to the address during the Secret Service thing in mid June. And then he was arrested again on the coke charge two weeks ago. And he's been held over and he was supposed to get out on Thursday from his bail hearing, but then they said, actually, just kidding, we now have felony charges against you and so we're going to keep you in until at least this Tuesday.
Host
It, he needs, he needs help. Like obviously he'll get some court ordered
Will Sommer
help at this point.
Host
Okay, well he needs, he, he, he should just sign offline, leave dc, get his life in order. This is bad. I mean, it's bad. It is like this is just too much. He's, he's, he's spiraling here. And, and as much as we do need to bring it up because he is not a insignificant figure. Was he students for Trump, the head of it, Right?
Will Sommer
Yeah, yeah. He's got like I think a million followers on Twitter. He's very involved in these kind of MAGA paid influence campaigns. I mean he's a, you know, habituate of the, the MAGA nightlife scene. I think let's say the bar stools empty at the Ned tonight.
Host
Pouring on at the Ned. All right. The other thing, this is, I can't even. Oh my God, Owen Schroyer's hair. What is going on here? Well, first of all, who's Owen Schreyer?
Will Sommer
You should. Owen Schroyer is essentially Alex Jones's surrogate. So he raised him, he was his protege. And then they had a falling out about a year ago because Alex Jones was still supporting Trump. Owen Schroyer was turning against Trump and then he left Infowars and so now he's out on his own. And this struck me, Owen Schroyer, you know, people may remember him from the mostly peaceful Latinas video we did last week in the debate where he's saying, aren't you blackmailing me or whatever. So this is who this is. So he's not like he's kind of crazy, but he's not like unhinged. And yet then he pops this video last week. Let's take a look at Owen's new look.
Host
You bitched and complained and said you didn't beat us and called us names. Well, now here you are. You realize you've screwed the pooch, right?
Will Sommer
Died.
Host
And your argument is, well, vote for
Will Sommer
Republicans at least, so we get a sense of what Owen looks like for Republicans. So he looks like. Like a character on Tiger King or something. He looks crazy. What are your thoughts on this movie?
Host
Look, I think it's horrible. It's horrible. Do we have the photo of him from a prior look? Can we get the old hair photo? It's like this is what he normally looks like. What? What? There's nothing wrong with that. That's fine. I guess that's the problem is it's just too normal. That is absurd. Who would do that?
Will Sommer
Well, you know, a lot of. There's a lot of speculation this is just a stunt, but it's a. It's a strange stunt, I would say. You know, you think several people in the right wing media verse got blonde wigs. Gavin McGinnis, I think, got a blonde wig. The proud boys founder and his old father figure turned enemy, Alex Jones got a wig. Let's play that clip.
Host
Hey, Owen, how you doing? How you doing, buddy?
Guest or Additional Commentator
You doing good?
Will Sommer
Yeah. He's got the big wig. She realized what a rock star I am. There we go. So Alex goes on to say, you know, Owen's doing this for publicity. He was too big of a star for Infowars. Whatever.
Host
Before I get to a question about Alex Jones, again, I. I don't want to be the moderator, but this guy. Mike dash, G dash 15. Can we kick him out? He's being a jerk to everyone. Please kick him out. Thank you. On our. On Alex Jones. What? I. I know there was a piece and I didn't get through it about sort of his ability to survive the Sandy Hook stuff. And, you know, he was supposed to, like, sell his properties. Onion stuff. What's. What is he up to these days? Like, how is he. How is he, like, you know, surviving all this?
Will Sommer
Yeah. I mean, so he basically just rebrand, rebranded. I think it's like Alex Jones news or something. I mean, as you can see from that video, it's very similar aesthetics to Infowars. I think, you know, this thing has had so many machinations and twists and turns, but I think the Onion controls Infowars now. But you can see it's. It's a lot of the Same characters like that guy who is just on screen with him and they're just laughing up their sleeves at their own.
Host
Yeah, but like, he was a pariah and he was supposed to be banking bankrupted. What's going on? Like, how is he managed to, you
Will Sommer
know, frankly, I think, you know, the lawsuit makes clear that he's, you know, he hid his money in a lot of different places. He gave some to his dad. You know, he. He managed, I think, unfortunately, to, you know, preserve a lot of his wealth.
Host
It's remarkable. It just goes to show you that, you know, one of my theories about politics is that you just need to basically subsist. Right. Like, you can. You can just go through a bunch of. You can be a scandal figure you can have, you know, the most scrutiny in the world throwing you, but if you just don't question, quit, oftentimes, you'll be totally fine. I mean, Trump's the personification of that.
Will Sommer
Yeah. I think as long as you can avoid criminal charges. My mind's still on Ryan Fournier. I think as long as you can avoid. Literally there.
Host
One little caveat there.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Yeah.
Host
Just avoid getting locked up. Okay.
Will Sommer
Yes. Physically being separated from your studio by the Bureau of Prisons. Yes.
Host
Yeah, that's true. All right. And then we finally have Benny Johnson. Speaking of surviving and advancing Benny, who's had two plagiarism scandals in his day and the media scandal and a bunch of other little things here and there. Picadillas. He had this. I actually don't. I was trying to find the full clip. I think we got a longer clip. I think this is about as racist as you get, but let's play it.
Will Sommer
I want a name.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Okay. I.
Will Sommer
A name of a single black woman that had something to do with America's founding.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Go.
Will Sommer
I mean, I can think of like, I. Didn't Thomas Jefferson have like, like, like half his family, like, with.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Out.
Will Sommer
Out of wedlock with the slaves? I think. Isn't that, Isn't that historic?
Commercial Announcer
Any.
Guest or Additional Commentator
Any.
Will Sommer
Anyway, that. That's like as close as I can get. Benny. Benny is, you know, Benny's getting more into this kind of racist stuff. I think, you know, it's. It having, you know, you look back at the long spectrum of Benny Johnson's career back when he was at BuzzFeed and it was like, why don't we like this guy? Oh, he supports m. You know, these vague things. And now he's just like a. He's like an out and out racist and, you know, formerly a Russian, you know, paid by Russia.
Host
I mean, I feel like I don't have to walk through it, but there's a reason that black women may have played a less than prominent role in the founding of America. It's because they were enslaved. That's it. You know, hard to. Hard to be a Founding father when you're a slave. What the fuck? Also, it's like the way he kind of laughed at it. You know, they were. They were, you know, enslaved and then forced to have sex with Thomas Jefferson. I guess that it's like. It's so gross. And just to, like, make your life being that type of, kind of hate merchant. It's just, I don't know, not enough
Commercial Announcer
money in the world.
Will Sommer
I agree with you. But you know what? He was posting pictures. He. He had the fam watching the fireworks at Mar A Lago.
Host
Oh, good for Benny.
Will Sommer
That's, you know, being a very vile guy, you know, sometimes has its perks.
Host
All right, well, I don't want to leave on such a negative note, but.
Will Sommer
Well, let me just say one more thing about Owen Shorer's peroxide hair look.
Host
Okay.
Will Sommer
Does it look like the kind of thing you would make if you were on the run? Right. Like, it doesn't. Like, you rob a bank and then you're at the gas station bathroom.
Host
Yeah.
Will Sommer
Oh, God.
Commercial Announcer
Oh.
Guest or Additional Commentator
You know what?
Host
It's. It's like the scene in the Fugitive where Harrison Ford's shaving and then, you know, doing his hair and all that stuff. Yeah. Except you got the wrong color.
Will Sommer
So he has addressed this and he said, you know, people are saying I'm having a midlife crisis. Hell, yeah. I am having a midlife crisis because Donald Trump has. I'm having a crisis because Donald Trump has abandoned, you know, the doves on Iran and kind of ranting. He's incorporating these sort of like the. The terrible dye job into his brand. It's pretty disturbing to me, but he's. He's sticking with it.
Host
All right, well, you know, now that you mentioned it, we have a vision. No, well, and it's funny that you mentioned it because we. We have you doing it. We found a picture of you doing it, and let's put it up, folks. This is Will's new look. I don't know, man. It's got potential.
Will Sommer
You know, I did see Andrew Garfield.
Host
Leave it up. Leave it up. Go ahead.
Will Sommer
You know, he.
Host
He.
Will Sommer
Andrew Garfield, maybe. You know, people are saying he went to Turkey and got the hair implants, and now he's got, like, a beautiful mane like this. I was looking at that and I thought, you know, know, it might work for me.
Host
I just think it needs a little time, a little grooming and we can get you there. It looks great. If folks want to see Will do that. Let's start a petition and a subscription drive to get Will just to walk around or to how about this? If we can get a hundred subscribers either on YouTube or on Substack off of this, 100 subscribers on YouTube or on Substack and we can monitor this stuff. Folks, either Will or myself will do the next show after that in one of those delicious looking blonde wigs. That work for you?
Will Sommer
That works for me.
Host
100 subscribers. That's it. All right folks, you just saw another edition of MAGA Monday every week. This is such a great way to start off the week. Gives me love, joy, feeling a comfort, room for Team USA tonight. I don't care how tainted it is. Still room for Team USA tonight. Night. Will. Thanks buddy. Talk to you next week.
Will Sommer
Thanks everyone.
Host
Take care.
Podcast: Bulwark Takes
Date: July 6, 2026
Hosts: The Bulwark, with guest Will Sommer
Episode Theme:
A comedic and critical roundup of the latest MAGA-world eccentricities, focusing on July 4th “America 250” celebrations, right-wing conspiracy theories, eruptions of blame-shifting, the red card FIFA controversy, MAGA personalities’ legal dramas, and the state of right-wing media.
This episode of MAGA Mondays reviews the chaos and controversies surrounding the 250th anniversary July 4th festivities on the National Mall, with wild right-wing conspiracy theories (including geoengineered weather), organizational failures, MAGA influencers’ reactions, and deep-dives into ongoing right-wing online confusion. The hosts also skewer Trump-world’s intervention in FIFA’s red card reversal, personal meltdowns among right-wing influencers, and the prevailing ethos of excuse-making and “whatever it takes to win.”
[01:00 – Main Segment Start]
Disaster Unfolds:
Quote:
“Trump was going to be cavalier about the weather and he, he admitted it. He's like, you know, I, I just overrode the recommendations to shut it down because what's a little lightning?” — Host [01:35]
Blame-Shifting and Denial:
Quote:
“Kylie Kramer started off by saying, 'I'm telling y' all that someone with an extreme case of TDS, that's Trump Derangement Syndrome, geoengineered this weather in D.C., same way they geoengineered Trump's inauguration to be one of the coldest in U.S. history.'” — Host [04:21]
[04:52]
“Yes, it is. ... This isn't some random wacko we found. It's a prominent wacko.” — Will Sommer
Evacuation Mayhem:
“Many begun chanting, usa, usa. One man blamed the situation on, quote, liberals in the weather service, adding, ‘I think this is baloney.’” — Host [10:09]
Organizational Disarray:
[12:00 – 22:40] Top 3 Memories and Absurdities
Erased Reality:
MAGA influencers caught between acknowledging disaster and insisting everything is fine.
Memorable Moments:
Quote:
“I have to say, you know, she ate and left no crumbs. You know it. I think she did a great job there.” — Will Sommer [19:42]
Symbolic Decay:
Pieces falling off the stage, structures held together by “glue.”
[24:00+]
Joe Rogan, MAGA, and the “USAID Funded Rap” Theory
Rogan Spreads a New Conspiracy:
The hosts discuss a viral Joe Rogan segment positing that rap music’s chart decline coincides with cuts in USAID funding—suggesting, absurdly, that the US government funded rap as a popularity “psyop.”
Quote:
“I think he's kind of pushed this idea otherwise that... rap music was sort of a USAID psyop. It's crazy. But, you know, in the world where, again, it's kind of causation, correlation, it's all jumbled up. This is an idea that's out there.” — Will Sommer [26:23]
Satirical Follow-Up:
The hosts play a faux-USAID-funded rap about “soft power moving quiet”—lampooning the concept.
[30:33+]
MAGA Intervention:
Trump intervenes and successfully pressures FIFA to overturn a controversial red card for US striker Folarin Balogun prior to the next World Cup knockout game—an unprecedented move in international sports.
Quote:
“If we do win the big, you know, take home the big cup as they say ... it'll have like an asterisk on it.” — Will Sommer [33:32]
Reactions:
“It does seem a little bit like you're tainting the product. You kind of tainted the product a little bit here.” — Host [33:26]
“He gave him a red card. I didn't know what that meant. ... Then I started hearing that means he can't play in the next game... That's very unfair. You can't do that. So, yes, I asked for a review by FIFA.” — Trump clip [36:42]
[40:48+]
“Ryan Fournier is now facing felony charges... kidnapping stuff, obstruction justice stuff. Prosecutors take this pretty seriously.” — Will Sommer [41:32]
“As long as you can avoid criminal charges... you can have, you know, the most scrutiny in the world... if you just don't question, quit, oftentimes, you'll be totally fine. I mean, Trump's the personification of that.” — Host [47:24]
“Just to, like, make your life being that type of, kind of hate merchant. It's just, I don't know, not enough money in the world.” — Host [49:56]
The tone is highly irreverent, sarcastic, and generally exasperated. Both hosts deploy gallows humor, pop-culture references, and withering mockery. Quotes preserve the original diction and sensibility of the speakers.
This episode encapsulates the ongoing chaos and absurdity within MAGA-world and the broader right-wing media ecosystem. Whether grappling with the literal heat at a mismanaged national celebration, the figurative heat of ongoing legal scandals, or the fever dreams of online conspiracy theorists, the Bulwark crew documents the endless cycle of blame, denial, and “win-at-all-costs” logic that now dominates American conservative politics—all with a heavy dose of comic exasperation.
For full impact—including the laughs and withering one-liners—this episode is a must-listen for those tracking the ongoing weirdness of America’s MAGA moment.