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I was just hitting the gritty there. I'm excited for one of our bits. I'm good, yeah. Just kind of, you know, classic Easter weekend. How about you?
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You know, I don't celebrate. You might not know this about me, I'm Jewish. But, you know, we, we, I, I still appreciate it. I appreciate it. We did an Easter egg hunt, even though it's not my denomination. You want to get into it? Should we just get into it?
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Let's get into it. I gotta say, I'm hyped. As I mentioned to you, I dropped into the YouTube comments. I saw people were excited for MAGA Monday. I said, you know, let's get going.
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What are the commenters before. I know this is a lot of throat clearing, and I'm sorry for those who are just waiting for the, the nonsense, but are people into the show? Do people like it?
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I'm liking it. Yeah, I, I, you know, if you like it, let us know. But, yeah, we're happy to be doing it.
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I'm wearing my huskies hat. I'm wearing my Huskies hat. We got a big game tonight. All right, so this happened. This was not on our rundown, but it happened, like, 10 minutes before we hit the let's Go Live button. Steve Bannon got a nice little win from the Supreme Court this morning. Looks like they're going to eventually dismiss his conviction for refusing the congressional subpoena. Again, this is just breaking stuff. So I don't really know what the actual specifics were on this case, but it's a win for Bannon. And it just got me thinking about kind of the place he occupies right now in the Trump orbit, obviously was a big deal in the first go around, but he seems more of a gadfly who pretends to have real influence this time around. And I just, you know, there's a whole dust up last week before the speech that Trump gave to Iran, where it looked like Bannon was saying, they're going to do this, they're going to say that. And nothing, nothing came of fruition for that. But what, what is the actual place he occupies in that orbit? I'm just confused.
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I think Bannon is a guy who maybe enjoys. Because he's number one, he's a very, like, sinister figure. So I think, and I think the general public knows who Steve Bannon is. So I think if you're a reporter, it's easy to kind of like shorthand, just like the Steve Bannon wing or whatever. And as you suggested, I think he's also like a very activ source around town. But it is a little unclear to me how much power he actually enjoys. For one thing, we went to war with Iran, which was certainly not on his list of things to do. So I would suggest, you know, he's kind of been marginalized in that way. You know, it's. We recently learned Ben Smith at Semaphore is writing a Steve Bannon book. So maybe there's a lot more to learn. But, you know, I think, you know, as you said, this is certainly a Steve Bannon win, but it seems like a guy who's like, relatively marginalized within, like, the administration itself.
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I should note that Bannon did serve a four month term in jail for defying for contempt of Congress. So this win from the court is pretty symbolic. I suppose he can't get those four months back. The other thing I think people should know about Bannon, and we don't have to spend too much time belaboring this, but he's so accessible and I appreciate that to members of the media, which in turn inflates the sense that he has real power because he's talking all the time about Trump and you don't really have that type of. I mean, I feel like that's sort of a relic a little bit. Like, people like that don't necessarily exist that much in this Trump go round. So he is sort of there as this kind of person you could turn to who seems to have a finger on the pulse, but is definitely quotable. Right. Like he's always in the press.
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Yeah, that's right. You know, I had another thought about Bannon. I mean, you know, he initially he got very involved in the World of Warcraft industry. Um, and, you know. Yeah, in like gold farming and World of Warcraft. And the editor of Passage Press, the far right publisher I wrote about last week, he also was a pat. He was like addicted to World of Warcraft he wrote a whole book about it. He was so deep into it. So what is it about these guys? Just sort of a stray thought.
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It's an interesting strength. It's good to get these insights into what goes through your brain because this
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is, this is what people see before it goes through the edits in the article. Oh, geez.
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Well, thanks.
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Very interesting. Maybe that's a footnote.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, yes, we got a packed show.
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Moving on from the World of Warcraft. All right, so you people might have missed it, but probably not. Over the weekend, Trump put out a truly, truly deranged bleat. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day, as if they're freaking holidays all wrapped up into one. In Iran, there'll be nothing like it. Open the straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald Trump. That's Easter Sunday. Eight, eight, three am. It. It's madness. I mean, I, I know we're. I don't think many people are sugarcoating it, but it's kind. It's madness and I think we just need to call it what it is. Openly declaring his intent to commit war crimes. And, you know, for a while, like, I, I was sort of just wondering were people going to kind of digest it and move on. And certainly there was that, but I suppose I was a little bit surprised, I guess, to see some luminaries on the right react negatively to it. And these are like, really out there figures. So again, we go through this song and yes, all the time, like, Maga loves the guy. They're going to be behind him no matter what they think. This is probably great 3D chess. And even if he went through with it, they'll say whatever. He's just finally doing what presidents have long wanted to do. They'll have some rationalization for it. But there are people who have enough. I don't know what you want to call it. Independence from Trump or just they're. They've been around a long enough. They just don't give a. Who are willing to say this is madness. And one of them is Marjorie Taylor Greene. So she put up a very long post. I don't need to read all the. But you can see there, it's, you know, it's pretty, you know, biting. Right. She's just saying, like, this is what President Trump posted. Trump is starting to bomb power plants and bridges. Hurts the Iranian people, the very people Trump claimed he was freeing. On Easter of all days, we as Christians should be reminded that the son of God died and rose from the grave so we can be forgiven once and for all. Our president is not a Christian and his words and actions should not be supported by Christians. Christians in this administration should be pursuing peace, urging the president to make peace. It just goes on.
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I'm reading this is not making America great again. This is evil.
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Yeah, that's, that's a striking line. I'm reading this because not everyone's watching this on video. Some people get this on audio. But will, I mean, like, look, mtg's been at this for a little bit now, but not to this level.
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Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, you know, as you said, I mean she's kind of been banished from the America first movement or the MAGA movement for being, you know, too focused on, on Trump's actual promises regarding foreign policy and Epstein. But now, you know, I, I think it's a, Yeah, I mean, as you said, I mean it's very acerbic statement. I mean, she's saying he's not a Christian. All this stuff, I mean, stuff that I think is essentially true and you know, I think it'll sting as a result.
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He's a self proclaimed Christian.
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Well, well, absolutely. I mean, look, I, I, I don't know what St. Peter's gonna say at the end, but you know, I mean, so the, I mean, I do think, you know, obviously Marjorie Taylor Greene is kind of a unique situation because she's already a Trump foe. But I think she's tapping in here and there really is like real discontent. When I survey the right wing media, it goes from, you know, with the exception of people like Mark Levin, there are a couple like, yeah, I love the war, like real war boosters. But it goes from people who are kind of lukewarm, like, well, maybe Trump will just wrap this up soon and you know, we had to go to war or and then you have just really activated anti war people like Marjorie Taylor Green, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
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But why do they, I mean, what do you think? So we'll get to a couple more in a few. Let's actually put up Ann Coulter because she, she. Interesting one. Yeah. I really wish legal experts hadn't screamed bloody murder about every little thing Trump did so they could speak with authority now that he's actually committing war crimes. I mean, this is a classic sort of bank shot critique of Trump. It's like, ah, you know, if only the critics of him had been more sensible, they would have been better critics. Now when she, what she's really saying is Trump is. I mean, the second part's what matters. Trump is committing war crimes. And Coulter saying she's a. She is an interesting one because she's been outspoken. But I, you know, like Bannon, it's hard to actually tell if she has any influence in these. In these waters these days.
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Yeah. You know, I think a culture like Bannon is coming from the sort of, like, don't waste political capital on these foreign adventures. We just want deportations. We want this. This stricter immigration.
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I don't know, man. Can I disagree with you?
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Yeah, please.
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Okay. Of course I can disagree with you. Oh, it's one thing to say we don't want foreign interventions. I get that. It's another thing to say the president is committing war crimes, which is a criticism of his actual actions, not a policy criticism. So I think this is actually a step up.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's very valid distinction to make.
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One.
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Yes, one, Sam Will, zero.
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So.
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So, you know, I mean, the.
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You're right.
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I mean, she is making me what we. What we would call the anti. Anti Trump argument because she doesn't want to say, oh, my gosh, I realized this guy everyone told me was awful. Was awful. You know, for a decade I've been so dumb. But instead she has to say, oh, you know this. Okay, this is the first time it's really bad. You know, this is. I'm. Now. Now is the time to step up.
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Can you expand a bit on Coulter, though, because she's such an interesting character.
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Yeah. Ann Coulter is someone who exists in kind of like a weird zone where. I don't know, I guess. Did she still write a syndicated column? I don't even know. I mean, I think she's someone who. It has. Still has some cachet because that's someone people recognize as like a big name brand, nasty Republican person.
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I don't mean to interrupt so much. I know I'm gonna get yelled at in the comments, but do you remember when she. The famous John Edwards line she had at cpac?
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No, what did she say?
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She called him a. I think.
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Oh, okay.
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On the stage of cpac. And that was like, oh, boy. Like, this is bad. Like, And Anne would push buttons and she was. And she was incredibly provocative, just for context for people here.
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Yeah, I think that's right. And I mean, but she's very much like, sort of out of this. Like, she's kind of this like, secular, cosmopolitan Republican that almost like. Like Tucker Carlson used to be.
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That.
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That really does not really have much attraction in the party anymore. So she's kind of off on her own. I guess she fires off some tweets. But you really, I mean, this is a little unfair. Or maybe this kind of explains why we're talking about her. But I feel like we only really hear about her when she's. It's the Republican. And Coulter said this, you know, but, but I mean, it's not like people are like, oh my God, look at this genius policy idea or political tactic. And Coulter came up with, well, can
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we, let's just do a little bit though on this idea. Like they're saying he's committing war crimes. And let's put Candace Owens as well. Like, obviously there has to be some sort of anti Semitic trope in here. It's not a trope. She's just anti Semitic right here. So this is satanic administration. Okay, we all realize that satanic Zionists occupy the White House. Come on. And Congress needs to move to have the mad King Trump removed. All our lives may depend upon other countries realizing that Trump is deeply unwell, surrounded by religious fanatics who have convinced him that he is Messiah. We are an uncharted territory. Leaders worldwide need to act accordingly. This is, I, I, the way they are talking about him is distinct. Like this is not what we had at any point prior to this. Coulter saying he's committed war crimes. Marjorie Taylor Greene saying he's not a Christian. Candace Owens kind of worrying about the state of nuclear annihilation openly. I mean, that's like this. I feel like it's getting underappreciated a little bit that these people of all people are making. If this came from the left, if these critiques came from the left, it would be obviously dismissed as Trump derangement syndrome. But this is, these are seriously right wingy, nut, nutty people. And they're all being like, I'm scared for humanity, more or less.
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Well, you know, I think the Trump derangement syndrome is spreading. Perhaps it's contagious. I mean, you're right. Typically, like the kind of right word critique of Trump is sort of like the classic like bad boy, ours, good czar. You know, the President has bad advisors. You know, we're seeing this a little bit regarding this war, but in this case, they're really sort of putting him outside the bounds of like, of the party of what's acceptable. They're saying, you know, that this is a, he's not a Christian, as you said, he's satanic. He's this mad King, you know, famously the mad King Ares in Game of Thrones, you know, they had to get a knight to take him out. Jaime Lannister. And so I think. I think Candace is recalling that specific thing. Yes, it's really the deep lore. So, you know, I do think in Candace, I mean, she's almost saying, like, you know, will someone do something? You know, will Emmanuel McCrone and Brigitte Macron step in? You know, one thing I thought was. Was interesting here in Candace's case, and really in all these people, I mean, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene is someone who is deep, deep in Q and on. Right. QAnon once thought, you know, speaking of Trump being a messianic figure, they saw Trump as this, like, this guy who would save the world, and now she's turned on him. Candace was. Was in good enough of a position with Trump that if you believe that he called her to ask her to lay off Brigitte Macron, which I think is relatively credible. That was like, a year ago, nine months ago. It was relatively recently that they were on. She and Trump were on terms that, you know, she could just. Or he would just call her up and say, hey, can you do me a favor? And now this is the war, I think, has really polarized the right so much.
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Has it, though? I don't know.
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I mean, it has, I think. I mean, look, you have people like, you know, Sean Ryan, the tough guy Navy SEAL on his podcast, and he's just like, oh, it's Mr. Epstein again. You know, I mean, he's like, gone, like, he's gone crazier than, you know, most liberals, I think, in terms of attacks on Trump. So I think, you know, I, I do think the war is, like, is a really big deal. And, you know, as you said, I think this kind of marks a new line in terms of the attacks on Trump from the right.
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What happens if he goes through with Bridge day and power plant day and stuff like that? I mean, it's hard to imagine. It's obviously, I don't want to downplay it into some sort of political prognostication, because we're talking about incredible death, destruction, human catastrophe inflicted on a population that, you know, didn't ask for it. And yet what we're seeing here is people who are just like, traditionally Republicans freaking out over the prospect and wondering, like, if. I mean, not wondering, they're out there saying that would be a war crime. I mean, I don't know. This is why I hesitate to say it's going to be a huge fracture point, because in the MAGA base in the administration. As far as we know, everyone seems largely on board except for Joe Kent, who left. And it's hard to see lines or fissures internally. I suppose it's just the nature of an administration, but man, we are in really, really testy, uncharted, dangerous ground right now. And it's hard to actually think about what happens this week. Very nerve wracking week, honestly.
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Yeah, I mean, I, I think, you know, on one hand, let's say that bridge day, power plant day happen and there's no Iranian retaliation, which seems unlikely, but just limiting it to Iran, I think we're also seeing here with this reaction from people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens. I think we're seeing the results of two years of the Gaza war and where we saw these Republicans start to have sort of a bit more humanism towards these, these countries or in the case of Gaza getting bombed in this sense of like that, that this unlimited warfare we saw in Gaza, the idea of applying that to Iran, I think there's already kind of this opposition within the GOP as a result of that.
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I got one more tweet for you about Trump's Easter Sunday post. It's the most bank shoddy of bank shoddy tweets. It's not even a bank shot. It's just dismissiveness. Let's pull up Eric Erickson. I don't know if you've seen this one.
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The king of the bank shots.
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Look, I don't. He's. This is just him, quote, shooting Trump. Look, I don't think it's appropriate. Wish he hadn't. But if I have to choose between this and Trans recognition Day or whatever on Easter. Okay, what is that saying? This, at its simplest, it is him saying threatening a war crime on Easter is preferable to encouraging people to recognize transgender Americans on Easter. That's what this is. I happen to think about things a little bit differently than that. I don't know if you have anything to add on that or we can move on.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's something I'm seeing more as is like more Republicans get, get discontented with Trump over the war. I saw someone saying, you know, I don't really like this war, but if the choice is between, you know, this war or Rachel Levine, who was a trans woman in the Biden administration, I think it was like the Army Surgeon General or something that, who didn't really do anything wrong per se, besides being transgender in their eyes, like these things that, that you're seeing it's like, well, though, clearly the one thing is worse, you know, the war crimes are.
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Are wor.
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You're not even really putting up an argument.
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And it's. That in itself is ridiculous. But then the. Then you look back, not too far in the archives, and they're all like, well, if we elect Kamala, we're going to get war in Iran and World War 3. It's like, you already made the case that this was bad and that this would happen under Kama. Now that's happening under Trump. You were just looking for any sort of rationalization to say you're okay with it. I mean, being kind to trans people is not the same as committing war crimes. Obviously. It's ridiculous. Okay, I did not watch. You're gonna have to explain this one.
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This. I zeroed in on this story. I saw this Friday night, and I said, oh, there goes my Friday. I'm in. This is my entertainment.
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Okay, why don't you just take. Take the saddle because you're gonna lead this one, because I have no clue what this is about.
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Okay, so the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, they're all. They're always trying to be the new Hollywood. They're always trying to make Nashville into the new Hollywood. Now, famously, they tried this with. With the King Arthur saga. It was hugely expensive. Their CEO, as far as I can tell, was pushed out over it.
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You got to explain that a little bit to the listeners who might not be aware what the King Arthur saga is.
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So it was called the Pendragon cycle, I think, and basically, it was like a Game of Thrones. They were going to film it. It was going to be their answer to Game of Thrones. It was going to be King Arthur. And this had been the longtime dream of Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring. Well, actually wasn't that bad, but it was way too expensive. And so they. They got rid of. They had like a kind of a knockoff of, like, Bluey, the children's show that all they got rid of. But now they're back in the Hollywood game, and they love picking up these canceled actors and actresses. So previously they got Gina Carano, who got in trouble with Disney, I believe, over some and like a covet thing, or maybe a trans thing.
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She was on. She was on the Mandalorian, right?
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Yes, that's right, exactly. And now they've got. They got a Hollywood a lister, formerly Jonathan Majors, who, of course, famously faced some, I believe, domestic violence charge. And now he's, you know, you can pick him up for a song, you know, get him in your movie. And so in this case, they have hired him for a movie. But I have to say, it turns out I think Marvel movies might have a little more safety standards than Daily Wire movies.
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Hold on, before you get to that, what is the movie?
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Okay, so it's a little unclear what the movie is. It's. It's directed by Dallas Sonier, I believe his name is. I believe this is a former co worker of our friend Sonny Bunches. So essentially the movie. So this guy previously made a movie like this guy was involved in stuff like, like Bone Tomahawk, I think, Dragged Across Concrete, kind of these like. Right. Coded movies that. Have you seen any of those movies? They're pretty good.
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I have not. Will.
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Yeah, this, this is like, you know, get the boys together, get a, get a 24 pack. And you know, they're pretty like tough stuff. So anyways, so. So in this case, this guy had previously made a movie, I think also for the Daily Wire, they picked it up afterwards called Run, Hide Fight. And it was a sort of action thriller about a school shooting in which, you know, I think this girl's dad is like a Navy SEAL or something and he trains her and then there's a school shooting and she like fights back. So now the Jonathan Majors movie, if the reporting is to be believed, I think it's called Run Hide Fight Infidel. And so I think we can guess from those clues that it's going to be some kind of like Muslim terrorist attack and that Jonathan Majors is probably going to fight back.
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This feels very 2002, 2003. Just for the record, Jonathan Majors was convicted of misdemeanor third degree assault and second degree harassment. Want to make sure we get our facts right on the show. We care about the facts. All right, so then what happened on Friday that got you all hot and bothered or entertained?
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So. So I think a Deadline had reporting that basically this. Yeah, here we go. Jonathan Majors fell through a window on Daily Wire action flick leading crew to walk off set. Producers say, quote, they don't negotiate with communists. Okay, so, so this, you know, it's a union crew and so they have certain safety standards that the Daily Wire seems unwilling or unable to meet. And so before we get to falling through the window, apparently the Run, Hide Fight infidel set has already been just totally crazy. So a couple things. One was the guy who's in charge of special effects, and so that includes handling explosives. He has a previous federal conviction for like illegally possessing explosives on a movie set. And so people are Like, I don't know if this guy should be in charge. There was also the building they were filming in. There was some concern that it had asbestos. And then they said, you know, essentially, don't worry about it. And then while the crew was setting up, they didn't, they didn't find asbestos, but they found black mold everywhere. And they were told, basically, you know, don't worry about it. Just keep filming. There are a couple other. Oh, I, I know a tree branch that was being used in the filming fell on the medicine. You know, now you're down a medic. Who's going to care for them? And now. But the, the one that's really gotten the headlines here is Jonathan Majors, the star. The key to Ben Shapiro's Hollywood success falling out a window. Now, do we have this video? Okay.
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Yeah.
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He's in a scene. Oh, oh, he's out the window.
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Oh, God.
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Okay, there's the crew. They run in.
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Oh, no. How many stories?
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I think it's unclear. I, I, it kind of looks to me like maybe like one story or something. Oh, not good. I mean, I don't think they were filming in a skyscraper, needless to say.
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But wait, hold on. Can we show it again? I want to see it one more time. No. Did they say medic? Medic?
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Yes.
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Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay, so clearly they were shot in the movie, and they're supposed to fall. But were they supposed to fall through the window? And they just did.
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They were not. They were not. I think he was supposed to. Or it was supposed to shatter. I mean, he was not supposed to actually fall out of the window. And so I believe the reporting was that it was like kind of a special kind of glass that that's supposed to, like, shatter with the fake bullets. That was for a different scene. And so someone had just sort of put that glass in there already, and that's why it broke so easily and they fell through.
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What a mess. Is he okay?
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Yeah, apparently he's back filming. And, and the, the other guy who fell with him.
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I mean, I feel bad for the other guys. Not mentioned at all. No one seems to be concerned about him. Who is he? Do we even.
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I think John the Majors fell on him, too, because if you look, he. Yeah, so his agent put out a statement. I mean, this guy, I think, has a lot less leverage than Jonathan Majors. And he put out a statement just like, you know, Chase is so glad to be back in action. You know, don't worry about it. It's all good here on set.
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He's Gonna be the guy known as the who Jonathan Majors fell on in this stupid movie. You're definitely seeing the movie, though, right? I mean.
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Oh, one Hide fight. Infidel. Oh, yeah. No, I, I, I, I backed it on Kickstarter.
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No, you know, I didn't. We didn't prep for this. So this is going to be like a little bit sort of thinking on your feet, which, I know, not your strongest suit, but of those sort of like, conservative movie, the conservative news media movie features. Like, what's your top three?
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Gosh, that's a good question. You know, I saw they tried to bring back Atlas Shrugged. Like, you know, a while back. I saw that. Gosh. Do you have any in mind? I'm trying to think of what.
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No, I don't know.
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You know, I mean, look, there's. There's Lady Ballers, right? In which lady ballers? It's kind of like a take on the classic film Juana man, where a. Where a male basketball player decides to pose as women, in this case, as transgender women.
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I've seen Joanna man.
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So. So in this case, I think Jeremy Boring plays the coach. It's another daily wire joint.
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So.
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So, yeah, that, that's, I think probably
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got Alice shrug and what was that one? The Joanna Man.
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Lady Ballers.
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Lady Ballers, Right, Okay. Oh, I remember that one. I do remember being that being advertised. We have a suggestion. Terror on the Prairie.
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B
Oh, wait. I actually, before I forget, there's a really, really good one that got no attention called. I forget what it's called, but it's Jon Voight. Check this out. So John Voight, obviously, classic Republican actor. He is. He's playing, like, a doddering Joe Biden type, but he, I think, previously was a Navy seal. A lot of, like, Navy. Previous Navy SEAL backstories in these movies, but, like. And so he's at Camp David and, like, terrorists are trying to get him, but it's also his dementia. And so, honestly, it's. It's a pretty good concept.
- [27:12]
A
I think we should do this as, like, why don't we do this? Why don't we prep right now for next MAGA Monday? Although I'm gonna be off because we have spring break. You're probably off too.
- [27:23]
B
I'm off as well.
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A
Oh, maybe we should do it on Friday and just hold it for Monday. We'll make it a special MAGA Monday taped, and you'll go through your rankings of, like, all the dumb but great conservative movies that you feel like don't get the attention that they deserve. And probably rightfully don't give.
- [27:43]
B
Well, yeah, maybe not that they deserve. I mean, it's really like, you know, like Kelsey Grammer. I. I'm sure he's somehow, you know, famously. I was ejected from the set of one the. The Roe v. Wade one. I. I remember this. We were. This was the Daily Beast. They were filming a Roe v. Wade thing. It was Sophia Vergara's ex husband directing. And basically they were doing it at the Lincoln Memorial. And I was just like, kind of sitting there. This movie had a. This is kind of like the Jonathan Majors movie. It had had a lot of, like, trouble, reportedly. And so I was like, all right, they're filming. I'll just like, watch the filming. And then they got like. They sent a PA to steal my notes and just walk off. And then he stuffed him in his underwear. And so I had to call the. The park police. And it was a whole incident.
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A
I do not have any recollection. This is when we're at the Beast.
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B
This is like my first week at the Daily Beast.
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A
Oh, my God.
- [28:31]
B
I had to be like, please, you know, help.
- [28:33]
A
Who are the two guys that were really diverting here, but who are their favorite guys? Jack Berkman and Jacob Wall? What are they up to these days? Do we know?
- [28:42]
B
Well, it appears. I'm glad you asked. It appears they. They just got a big payday because they got a pardon for someone, reportedly one of these guys with like a. Like a big fraud background. And someone was complaining to me, another sort of their lobbyists now, and they help people get pardons. And someone was complaining to me who's also kind of in the lobbying, you know, scheming world, that basically Jacob and Jack had not asked enough and that they were driving down the price of a pardon.
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A
Oh, my God. It's like the defense contractors that underbid everyone else. People have to understand this. Will and I go back a bit, and we worked at the Beast together, and there's a period of time where these two hooligans, Jacob Ball and Jack Berkman, were absolutely doing press avails, like, every week. And I would tell Will, you gotta go to Bergman's house. And you'd be like, again. And Will would just hang out there for the press avails. And it was always such a. I mean, there was time to be like. They had one guy who claimed to have had an affair with Elizabeth Warren or something.
- [29:45]
B
He said he. She put him in her sex dungeon and all this. And he. And just there was always like, a little clue that would Undo the whole thing. Where like a lot of times they would get wannabe actors off of Craigslist who had never heard of Elizabeth Warren in this case. And they'd say, okay, we're filming a House of Cards type show. So there's gonna be all these reporters asking you questions and you need to say you were in the sex dungeon. And so this guy had, he was a Marine and he had the. If people know the Vin Diesel movie Triple X. He had the Triple X tattoo on his neck. And I said, so you like the movie Triple X? And he was like, what are you talking about? Like, how dare you? And I was like, what a very bizarre experience.
- [30:23]
A
The Elizabeth War One cracked me up. It made no sense whatsoever. It fell apart so fast too. I remember that being amazing. Surprise. Little clip we're going to show you because you got me thinking. You're like, oh, Republican actors. So and so and so. And there was this tweet over the weekend from Kevin Sorbo about New York City in 1975. Let's put it up. It's so good. The tweet is. Look at this video of New York City in 1975. See how peaceful it was. Look at how everyone seems to be enjoying their lives and not contrasted to today. Our country has been ruined. Folks, I just want you to understand. New York city in the 70s was horrific. It was crime infested. It was like Summer Sam. It was awful. It was on fire. Kevin Sorbo has no clue what he's talking about. That does not look inviting in the slightest. It was not a peaceful place.
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B
Yeah, even that video he showed I, I felt like several people there could have been the Son of Sam suspect
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A
Tax Driver. Did he not see Taxi Driver? The New York in the 70s was like. It was a hell hole. Wasn't that when Ford to the city drop dead was. It was summer Sam. It was Taxi Driver. It was awful. There was like Times Square was just like peep shows and prostitutes. What is he talking about? People need to do basic research.
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B
I like what he's like a bring back gritty old New York guy.
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A
What are these people? Also the thing is they gotta just this, this conception of the city right now as like crime infested hellhole is ridiculous. They should step foot in the city. It's overpriced. Yeah, there's some grittiness to it. It's a city for God's sake. Like what do they think is gonna happen? Okay, anything else to add on Sorbo before we go to your, your the video. You've been teasing. Are you teased?
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B
No. Yeah, let's. Let's get right into it.
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A
I don't even know where this came from. Do you know where it came from?
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B
Laura Ingram's Instagram feed?
- [32:33]
A
Yeah, no, I know where it came. What I meant is I don't know why she posted it. Do you know why?
- [32:42]
B
No, I don't. I mean, this might be a tick tock trend that I'm just not aware of, but. But, you know, or maybe she just, you know, is. Maybe she's trying to start one.
- [32:50]
A
The gritty. Let's do it. Right foot. Creep. Look around, stay low. That's all we can play. That's all we can play. Can we play it again or are we gonna get dinged for that? There we go.
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B
Pretty good.
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A
I don't know about Ingram's moves. Her daughter's got moves, but I don't think Ingram's got any. Beat a rhythm.
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B
That was a pretty striking thing to see. Just scrolling the feed. Is that Laura Ingram
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A
doing the gritty? That was fun. And I apologize to Laura. Good for you for posting that stuff. I appreciate people going out there. You shouldn't be made fun of. It's good to share. All right, man. It's a short one. 33 minutes, but I think that's all I could take.
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B
Yeah. You know, look, I mean, we. We really ran the gamut. Warren, Iran, Kevin Sorbo, falling out of windows. You know, we got it all.
- [33:48]
A
Well, I will say this. I will say this because this show is meant to be, you know, it's meant to be light hearted. And it's a little bit hard when you're talking about, you know, topics like war crimes and nuclear annihilation. So, you know, we're trying to. We're trying to meld these two things together. Hopefully we're doing a good job. You got a false flag coming tonight. You have not told me what you're writing about, which is always a good.
- [34:14]
B
So let's see. Let's see your live reaction, folks. It's gonna be a good one. The Blaze fired the author of their crazy pipe bomber story. No. And there's a so much drama over it, folks. The infamous defamation lawsuit firm Clairlock is involved. Talk about seven figure settlements. Get excited.
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A
Hold on. Okay, we're going to go a little bit longer. Then the pipe bomber suspect who confessed to planting the pipe bombs. As you reported in one of the last false flags, they were citing the Blaze's reporting as a point of their legal defense. And now the Blazers fired the reporter.
- [34:54]
B
Yes, that's right. And. And so now he's gone off on his own. It's really. It's. It's getting.
- [34:59]
A
This is the gate analysis reporter.
- [35:02]
B
Yes. This is the guy who said, you know, they walk like this. They don't walk like this. So it. It's a funny one. I think there is a possibility, because part of the issue is that, you know, the Blaze had accused this Capitol Police officer of planting the bombs. The FBI arrested someone else, but they did do a polygraph of the Capitol Police officer, and she failed the polygraph. Now, look, there's a reason these aren't admissible in court. We only know this because the defendant's lawyers submitted the polygraph stuff into evidence publicly, which they should not have and which has infuriated the doj. But I'm now starting to wonder, is Cash Patel's interest in the Blaze thing, is this going to botch the whole case? Because now the defense is going to say, well, we got this polygraph result
- [35:46]
A
again, though, the guy confessed. Isn't that a bit of a problem for the defense?
- [35:52]
B
Yes, I would say it is. But look, I mean, it sounds like this Blaze reporter is going to have a lot more time on his hands. Maybe it can help with the defense.
- [35:59]
A
Wow, that is a good one, folks. Like we. I make a pitch all the time to sign up for the Bulwark, but, like, this is the real. You should sign up for it. Go find that subscribe button, substack, YouTube. Just subscribe. It's the good stuff. Well, thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. Can we go out to Laura Ingram one more time? Yes, one more time.
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B
Beautiful.
- [36:28]
A
Later, buddy. Talk me to.