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Brad
Hey, y'.
Chris
All.
Brad
I just got off talking with Chris Jansing about something I haven't got to on this page, which is this fucking disgusting Operation Trojan Horse. Like, where do they come up with these names like that that the DHS is implementing now, where they get a bunch of masked agents and hide them in the back of a U Haul and then jump out outside of Home Depot and nab a bunch of people that are just trying to get day work? You know, again, like, this is Romania under Chachesco or something like this. The whole thing is just like, so un American. So, like. And it's. It's childish. Like, it's obviously worse than childish. That makes it seem small, but it's childish. And like, you, like, these guys kind of want to play dress up and give themselves funny names for this job. That just strips the dignity and humanity of these people that just want to come into this country to find work. So we talked about that. We also get into a little bit more into the Texas redistricting stuff, how John Corrin is butching up. He sent it in the FBI after the Texas Democrats and. And what Ken Paxton's move is. So we get into all that as well. So stick around for a little bit on the latest outrage from DHS and the latest on the Texas redistricting fight. And we'll be back here with you soon. Subscribe to the feed if you haven't Come on.
Emily
Apparently it's happen. Texas Senator John Cornyn is now confirming that the FBI is officially on board to track down the Texas Democrats who left the state in an attempt to block Republicans redistricting efforts. It's only the latest escalation in a fight that's now reaching a national boiling point. Democrats have faced bomb scares, a threat from the President himself, and a new investigation from the state's attorney general, but they are holding the line.
Brad
What we're gonna have to do is go into blue states and play hardball.
Chris
For me, this is not a cavalier moment. This is A moment when we've got to stand up to the powers to be.
Emily
Joining us now is Tim Miller, host of the Bulwark Podcast and former communications director for Jeb Bush. Former Maryland Democratic Congressman Donna Edwards is here as well, both our MSNBC political analysts. Tim, the FBI going after state lawmakers. Now, what do you make of that?
Brad
Well, I've got two thoughts on it. One on the John Cornyn side of things. And this is so political from him. He's facing a primary for the Senate from Ken Paxton, who's more of a darling of the maga, right. Just trying to figure out what he can do to butch up and seem, you know, appeal more to MAGA voters. And I guess this is what he's come up with, the FBI side of it. And the politicization of the FBI is truly remarkable. You know, Cash Patel during his confirmation hearing talked about how he was like aiming to not to depoliticize the FBI and he didn't want to look back and he wasn't going to go over the enemy's list. And here we have just today in a couple of stories we have this where the FBI is going after Texas Democrats. This is really a priority for protecting the country. It's crazy. And on top of that, they've now pushed out, among other people, Brian Driscoll. They called Drizz, who is a non political acting FBI official who was asked by the DOJ when he was acting head of the FBI rather, after Christopher Wray resigned, he was asked by DOJ to fire any FBI agents who were involved in the January 6th investigations. He wouldn't do it. And now according to the Times, he's been pushed out today. So I mean, just from Stern to stem a total politicization of the bureau.
Emily
Tim. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, speaking of ways in which things are getting politicized, has opened up an investigation into the political organization run by Beto o', Rourke, accusing him of funding the walkout. What does that tell you?
Brad
Well, I mean, look, it goes back to what I think earlier about John Cornyn. Both these guys are now in a primary against each other for the Senate. They're trying to appeal to the most hardcore MAGA, right voters and they're coming up with political stunts in order to do so. I think the serious element, this is obviously a stunt, but the serious part of this is, you know, this is somebody that is a, an official of the court, like the attorney general. So we see this now at the Justice Department in Washington that's been totally politicized We've got Pam Bondi strategizing with the White House and what to do about Epstein. In Texas, you have Attorney General targeting his political foe, you know, as part of this redistricting fight, trying to figure out a way to get into the story. And that has real ramifications as this stuff trickles through the court. It's not just a press release. These are people that have obligations and responsibilities to uphold the law, and they're not doing it.
Emily
Take a look at this video of Border Patrol agents in Los Angeles fully decked out in military garb, loading into a rental truck. They were headed to a Home Depot where they jumped out of the back of the box truck and arrested 16 day workers waiting to be picked up for jobs. It's all part of what CBP is calling Operation Trojan Horse. And it comes as the Wall Street Journal has new reporting on immigrants vanishing once inside ICE Detention. Quote, frequent transfers between detention centers, the country or to multiple locations in a few days have become commonplace in the second Trump administration, according to more than a dozen immigration lawyers across the country. I want to talk about the imagery as well as the reality of some of this stuff. The LA Times reporting on this is pretty specific. One of the things they say is that it just happened at one of these locations, that a group, an advocacy group called the LA Tenants Union was there and they were giving out information to help people who may be having issues with where they live. And in a video that they took, masked men in Border Patrol uniforms can be seen leading a woman in an apron away from the folding table where she was selling food and drinks. She was handcuffed and loaded into the van. Politically, is this what the Trump administration is okay with? Are you getting a sense, at least within his base, that this is helpful?
Brad
Yeah, well, it definitely is something that the Trump administration is okay with and that they've chosen. I mean, they're out there defending it vigorously. There are elements of the Republican base that are for this, but I do think that it is a potential political problem for them and I do think that the Democrats should campaign on this. Look, there is at least some subsect of the Trump base, whether that be former Republicans like myself, former like Bush, Romney type Republicans, or whether it be this kind of newer group of younger, don't tread on me manosphere types that are the Joe Rogan types, to use that as shorthand. Joe Rogan's been talking about this himself. None of those people signed up for this. This kind of cops and robbers, cosplay mask men jump out of a car and they give themselves a cute name and then they take ladies that are just sitting there trying to sell food to workers. I understood when they carried mass deportation signs now that that was going to be part of the age. But I think a lot of people that supported Trump did not think that was part of the agenda. I think they took them at his word that he was gonna go after the worst of the worst or whatever his quote was. These are not that. And it feels un American. It is against the sort of libertarian spirit that some in the Trump base have who are for border security, but again, are not for masked federal agents grabbing people, handcuffing them, shackling them, if they had not committed any crimes that are not related to immigration.
Emily
Somebody who has said, I'd like to help. I don't know if you've seen this news. Dean Cain, who is best known, he's an actor best known for playing Superman, has just announced that he is joining ice. He says he feels it is important to, quote, help secure the safety of all Americans. There is, you know, maybe there are trucks going into the Home Depot, maybe people selling lemonade at point, some stands or whatever was being sold at the stand getting rounded up. That part of the message isn't getting through. What is apparently getting through with Dean Cain and others who says, by the way, join me. Help secure the safety of all Americans. Tim?
Brad
Yeah, I mean, this is obviously unserious and preposterous, but it kind of ties back to my last answer, right? Like, you have these people that are not treating these people being the ICE agents that are not treating these migrants or immigrants like they are actually humans. They're treating this whole thing like it's a big show. It's a big game of cops and robbers. I get to put on my mask and we get to do be a Trojan horse and we're going to go get the bad guys. And so it's not surprising that an actor would be drawn to that. And I think that look, just kind of echoing the reported concerns on this, you know, there have been this. This is a much larger version of what the Trump administration did in the first term with DHS hiring Border Patrol agents. And they're trying to, you know, spike the increase of people that join the Border Patrol. And there were lots of issues with that. Those people that were not qualified, people that, you know, in the past, black marks on their record, you know, in local law enforcement, et cetera, taking these jobs. And, you know, I just think that there's really, this is a recipe for disaster. As far as people coming in who don't really aren't trained and don't understand how, you know, we should, in a free country, be treating people that are here, you know, potentially illegally, but that, you know, are not a victim or not complicit in any other crimes.
Bulwark Takes: Episode Summary – "Masked Agents SNATCH Workers in Shocking Sting"
Release Date: August 8, 2025
In this compelling episode of Bulwark Takes, the Bulwark team delves deep into two significant and controversial issues dominating the national conversation: the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Operation Trojan Horse and the escalating Texas redistricting battle. Hosted by The Bulwark team members, including insights from political analysts Tim Miller and Donna Edwards, the episode provides a thorough examination of these events, their political ramifications, and the broader implications for American democracy.
The episode opens with Brad expressing vehement criticism of DHS's latest initiative, Operation Trojan Horse. This operation involves DHS deploying masked agents concealed in rental trucks to clandestinely apprehend day laborers outside establishments like Home Depot.
Key Points Discussed:
Unorthodox Tactics: Brad condemns the use of masked agents and deceptive methods, likening the operation to authoritarian tactics reminiscent of historical regimes, such as Romania under Ceausescu.
Human Impact: Emphasis is placed on the dehumanizing nature of these arrests, targeting individuals merely seeking day labor, stripping them of their dignity.
Political Undertones: Brad suggests that the naming and execution of the operation are attempts to trivialize serious immigration enforcement, making it appear as a superficial "game" rather than a grave violation of rights.
Notable Quote:
"This is childish. Like, it's obviously worse than childish. That makes it seem small, but it's childish." ([00:30])
Transitioning to the contentious redistricting efforts in Texas, the podcast highlights the role of Senator John Cornyn and Attorney General Ken Paxton in leveraging federal resources against state Democrats.
Key Points Discussed:
FBI's Role: Texas Senator John Cornyn has enlisted the FBI to investigate Democrats who fled the state to obstruct Republican redistricting plans. This move is portrayed as a politicization of federal law enforcement agencies.
Primary Challenges: Cornyn is under pressure from Ken Paxton, a MAGA-aligned Attorney General, who is positioning himself as a favored candidate among the more conservative faction of the Republican base.
Consequences for the FBI: Brad highlights the departure of Brian Driscoll, a non-political acting FBI official, as evidence of the bureau's growing politicization, especially in actions related to January 6th investigations.
Notable Quotes:
"The politicization of the FBI is truly remarkable." ([03:00])
"These are people that have obligations and responsibilities to uphold the law, and they're not doing it." ([05:23])
The episode delves into the broader theme of law enforcement agencies being entangled in political agendas, undermining their intended role of impartial governance.
Key Points Discussed:
Ken Paxton's Investigations: Paxton has initiated investigations into Beto O'Rourke's political organization, accusing him of financing the Texas Democrats' walkout, further intensifying partisan conflicts.
FBI's Integrity at Stake: The actions taken by Texas officials suggest a trend where federal agencies are being used as tools for political retribution rather than maintaining neutrality.
Notable Quote:
"This is somebody that is an official of the court, like the attorney general. So we see this now at the Justice Department in Washington that's been totally politicized." ([04:26])
The podcast also examines public figures' involvement in these contentious issues, highlighting how endorsements and actions can influence public perception and policy.
Key Points Discussed:
Dean Cain Joins ICE: Actor Dean Cain publicly announced his support for ICE, framing it as essential for national safety. Brad critiques this move, suggesting it trivializes serious immigration enforcement issues.
Republican Base's Division: There is a discussion on how these aggressive enforcement tactics might alienate segments of the Republican base that favor secure borders without infringing on civil liberties.
Notable Quotes:
"These are not that. And it feels un-American." ([09:11])
"It's against the sort of libertarian spirit that some in the Trump base have." ([08:30])
Invited guests Tim Miller, former communications director for Jeb Bush, and Donna Edwards, former Maryland Democratic Congresswoman, provide their expert analyses on the unfolding political landscape.
Tim Miller's Analysis:
Political Stunts: Miller criticizes actions by Cornyn and Paxton as strategic stunts aimed at consolidating their positions within the Republican Party, rather than addressing substantive policy issues.
Erosion of Democratic Norms: He underscores how these maneuvers undermine democratic principles by weaponizing law enforcement against political opponents.
Donna Edwards' Perspective:
Impact on Democracy: Edwards emphasizes the dangers of using federal agencies to target political adversaries, arguing that it poses a threat to the integrity of democratic institutions.
Call for Accountability: She advocates for holding officials accountable to prevent the erosion of checks and balances within the government.
Notable Quotes:
"These are people that have obligations and responsibilities to uphold the law, and they're not doing it." ([05:23])
"They are not treating these people... like they are actually humans." ([09:11])
The episode concludes with a reflection on the necessity for bipartisan efforts to depoliticize law enforcement and uphold democratic integrity. The Bulwark team calls for vigilance in safeguarding institutional impartiality and protecting the rights of individuals against politically motivated actions.
Final Thoughts:
Need for Reform: Emphasis on the urgent need to reform how federal agencies operate to ensure they remain above partisan politics.
Protecting Democracy: The hosts advocate for measures that protect democratic institutions from being exploited for political gain, ensuring that governance remains fair and just for all citizens.
Overall, this episode of Bulwark Takes serves as a critical examination of the intersecting issues of immigration enforcement and political manipulation within federal agencies. Through in-depth discussions and expert analyses, the Bulwark team highlights the challenges facing American democracy and underscores the importance of maintaining institutional integrity in the face of partisan pressures.