Meghan McCain is Begging Trump to Yank Lindsey Graham Off TV

Summary

Bulwark Takes – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Meghan McCain is Begging Trump to Yank Lindsey Graham Off TV
Date: March 10, 2026
Host(s): Sam Stein (Managing Editor at The Bulwark), Will Salatin

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bulwark Takes is a deep dive into the recent media blitz by Senator Lindsey Graham, whose hawkish foreign policy stances have taken center stage as the U.S. and its allies escalate military action against Iran. Sam Stein and Will Salatin unpack Graham's rhetoric, explore his influence on Donald Trump, and discuss the political reaction—including Meghan McCain’s public plea for Trump to stop letting Graham be his surrogate on TV. The conversation traces Graham's transformation, assesses the risks of his worldview, and highlights the broader implications for American foreign policy and the Republican Party.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lindsey Graham’s "Moment of Nirvana" Amid Escalation in Iran

• [01:11] Sam Stein sets the stage with the context: major military action in Iran, terrible consequences including civilian casualties, and Lindsey Graham’s unbridled excitement on cable news.
• Clip Played: Graham promises things will get “bloodier,” foreshadowing more intense military action.
  • “We're going to blow the hell out of these people. This regime is in a death row now.” — Lindsey Graham (as played by Fox News interview, [02:26])
• Will Salatin highlights that Graham “has been wanting to invade a series of countries forever,” with Iran high on his hit list.
• Meghan McCain’s tweet is introduced, in which she pleads for Graham to be removed from TV, arguing he’s damaging public perception of the war.

2. Meghan McCain’s Warning and the MAGA Divide

• [03:21] Meghan McCain, representing a less interventionist, more “realist” Republican stance, expresses concern not about Graham scaring people, but about him leading Trump into further wars.
  • “He is scaring people and doing damage to whatever message you're trying to sell to the American public about the Iran war.” — Meghan McCain via paraphrase (Will Salatin)
• Salatin observes the split in the GOP: the neoconservative, interventionist “Graham/McCain” types versus the MAGA base that (at least in theory) favors less foreign military entanglement.

3. The Evolution (or Consistency) of Lindsey Graham

• [04:39] Stein and Salatin debate: has Graham changed, or just become more cartoonish in his extremism?
  • Will Salatin insists, “He actually was here all along,” tracing Graham’s consistent interventionism but noting he’s now emboldened by Trump’s rise.
• [06:10] The “deal”: Graham compromised on domestic authoritarianism for foreign policy sway. Graham gets “the other half of the deal”—Trump’s willingness to use military force.
  • “An authoritarian is very useful if you are an interventionist like Graham and you want a strong man to go out and take down these regimes...” — Will Salatin [06:27]

4. How Graham Manipulates Trump

• [06:39] Salatin explains Graham’s method: he appeals to Trump’s business instincts, pitching foreign interventions as moneymaking ventures (oil, minerals).
  • “If you will take down this government...we're going to make a ton of money off it. He has done it with minerals in Afghanistan...He did that in Ukraine...Syria...Venezuela.” — Will Salatin [07:18]
• Trump, persuaded by financial opportunity, has supported interventions—against earlier MAGA rhetoric.

5. The Chilling Enthusiasm and Lack of Nuance

• [08:45] Another Graham clip is played:
  • “We're marching through the world. We're cleaning out the bad guys...Cuba is next.” — Lindsey Graham (Fox clip, [09:04])
• Stein calls out the “chilling element”: Graham’s simplistic, conviction-laden vision ignores risk, precedent, and human cost.
  • “There's never consideration to the consequences or the risks or the fallout or the fact that this hasn't worked in the past.” — Sam Stein [10:09]

6. Even Graham Has Limits?

• [11:54] Sometimes even Graham cautions restraint—e.g., criticizing Israel for excessively bombing Iranian oil refineries, warning not to “cripple” Iran’s post-war economy.
  • “If you are bombing too much for even Lindsey Graham, you've gone too far.” — Sam Stein [11:52]

7. Graham’s Dismissal of Risks

• [12:38] Salatin reports Graham dismisses concerns about consequences of regime change as “insulting the people of Iran”—ignoring reality.
  • “That's an insulting idea to say things could get worse in Iran. You're insulting the people of Iran...” — Paraphrased, Will Salatin [12:38]
• Graham, per Salatin, knows better but pushes a narrative anyway.

8. Expanding the War: Beyond Iran

• [14:00] Graham explicitly floats Lebanon and Cuba as the next targets, citing old grudges (like the 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Lebanon).
  • “President Trump avenged those Marines. Get in the fight with Hezbollah, finish them off...Cuba's next.” — Lindsey Graham (Fox clip, [15:07])
  • Salatin: “You can have a 40 year vengeance campaign to bomb another country—well, it's madness.” [16:00]

9. Willingness to Alienate Allies

• [16:37] Graham threatens diplomatic partners who don’t fully commit to the anti-Iran effort—publicly criticizing Saudi Arabia for insufficient support.
  • “Why should America do a defense agreement with a country like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that is unwilling to join a fight of mutual interest?” — Lindsey Graham (read aloud by Sam Stein) [16:37]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:26] Lindsey Graham: “We're going to blow the hell out of these people. This regime is in a death row now. It is going to be on its knees. It's going to fall. And when it falls, we're going to have peace like no other time.”
• [07:18] Will Salatin, on Graham manipulating Trump: “If you will take down this government...we're going to make a ton of money off it. He has done it with minerals in Afghanistan...Ukraine...Syria...Venezuela.”
• [09:04] Lindsey Graham: “We're marching through the world. We're cleaning out the bad guys...Cuba is next.”
• [11:52] Sam Stein, on Graham’s limits: “If you are bombing too much for even Lindsey Graham, you've gone too far.”
• [12:38] Will Salatin, on Graham’s dismissiveness: “He has said twice...that's an insulting idea to say that things could get worse in Iran. You're insulting the people of Iran...He knows that that's bullshit.”
• [16:00] Will Salatin: “You can have a 40 year vengeance campaign to bomb another country—well, it's madness.”
• [16:37] Lindsey Graham (via tweet): “Why should America do a defense agreement with a country like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that is unwilling to join a fight of mutual interest?”

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [01:11–02:48] Graham’s cable news appearances, bombastic statements about Iran
• [03:21–03:50] Meghan McCain’s critique and context
• [06:10–07:51] Analysis of Graham–Trump “deal” and how Graham manipulates Trump
• [08:45–09:46] Clip: Graham expands interventionist vision (“Cuba is next”)
• [11:54–12:38] Graham cautions Israel (!) and dismisses concerns about post-war instability
• [14:00–16:00] Graham lays out next targets (Lebanon, Cuba); Salatin calls it madness
• [16:37–17:24] Graham threatens Saudi Arabia over lack of war enthusiasm
• [18:27] Wrap-up: Graham as a Trump “flunky,” emulating the bullying tactics globally

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Tone & Takeaways

• The conversation is sharp, critical, and often incredulous. Stein and Salatin are united in their alarm at the lack of caution and nuance in Graham’s worldview, and skeptical of the wisdom and morality of his interventionist agenda.
• There is a repeated emphasis on the disconnect between Republican campaign messaging (non-intervention, “America First”) and the current aggressive foreign policy posture, as amplified by Graham.
• Meghan McCain’s public intervention is seen as emblematic of a deeper fissure within the Republican Party.

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Conclusion

Stein and Salatin make it clear that Lindsey Graham’s hawkish fervor isn’t just alarming to centrists or liberals; it’s creating discomfort even among traditional allies and factions of the Republican base. His robust embrace of military interventionism, willingness to antagonize both enemies and allies, and skill in manipulating Trump mark him as a significant, and dangerous, influence on U.S. foreign policy.

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For continuing coverage, the hosts urge listeners to follow The Bulwark’s work and, half-jokingly, suggest there could be a “Graham series, part two.”

Transcript

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[Will Salatin]

I think my wife got jealous. Yeah. Because I was. Spent so much time studying this guy. Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

We are talking about Lindsey Graham. So Lindsey Graham is having a classic moment. He might be, this might be like nirvana for him because we're bombing Iran and he is on cable all the time and he's incredibly excited about what is happening. He seems to have gotten Trump's ear. But it's, it's, it's alarming some people, including people who would normally be, I don't know, empathetic, sympathetic towards his worldview, I would suppose. So let's set the stage here and then Will's just gonna, you know, go crazy. But Lindsey Graham went on the shows yesterday, primarily Fox News, and he was asked about what's going on in Iran. Obviously, there's a lot going on in Iran, including some incredible bombing campaign, really horrible destruction, the death of what appears to be 170 schoolgirls and so on and so forth. And his response to all this is that just wait, just wait because it's gonna get so much bloodier. So here's Lindsey Graham talking about blowing people to smithereens over the next two weeks.

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The next two weeks, meaning what?

We're going to blow the hell out of these people. This regime is in a death row now. It is going to be on its knees. It's going to fall. And when it falls, we're going to have peace like no other time. We're going to have prosperity unlike anyone could ever imagine. Peace brings prosperity. You can't do it by talking. The Democrats criticize this operation.

[Sam Stein]

Okay, we get the point. So Will you said that's not even the worst clip. You think there's a worse out there?

[Will Salatin]

No, but wait, let me, let me proceed for a second because you can see what Lindsey Graham is having the time of his life. This, I mean Lindsey Graham has been wanting to invade a series of countries forever. Forever. And Iran was on his list. You know, Venezuela was on his list. He's sort of going through it. We'll just show on screen this Tweet where Megan McCain representing the more realist, less interventionist wing of the party.

[Sam Stein]

McCain. Yes.

[Will Salatin]

Meghan McCain, sorry. The party that Trump claimed to represent, the MAGA people. We're going to not get into a whole bunch of wars. So here's her response. She says, I have known Lindsey Graham since I was a child. I am imploring anyone who will listen in the Trump administration to stop sending this man out as a surrogate. He is scaring people and doing damage to whatever message you're trying to sell to the American public about the Iran war. She's saying you're scaring people, Sam. The problem is not that Lindsey Graham is scaring people. The problem if you're from the Meghan McCain, not the John McCain wing of the Republican Party or the Marjorie Taylor Greene wing, the MAGA wing, the people, the JD Vance wing, the people who actually elected Trump. The problem is Lindsey Graham is actually leading Trump into wars. Right, Right. We just had two of them. We've had like the invasion of Venezuela which turned. It was a one day operation. But this Iran thing is going to go on for weeks and there's a whole series of things after it. And so she is concerned, she's pretending or imagining that the problem is Donald Trump is still one of still like her. Donald Trump doesn't want to go in and Lindsey Graham is making is. Is scaring people. That is not the problem.

[Sam Stein]

Well, I think it's worth backing up for a second one is the reason. So John McCain, for those who are unaware, John McCain, my McCain's was incredibly tight with Lindsey Graham. They were part of a trio of senators. The other was Joe Lieverman who, you know, bandied together. They. But they also were neocons and they wanted to invade various countries and they were proudly pro American military intervention. John McCain and Lindsey Graham were also more socially moderate, or I would say, I don't know if I'm socially moderate. It's the right word. But they were not flamethrowers domestically back in the day. Lindsey Graham, though, since John McCain's passing especially, but also under the age of Trump, has become something altogether different. And you wrote about this, and I'm just sort of, for the viewer's sake, trace this sort of chapter of Lindsey Graham. He's always been this type of voice on foreign policy, sort of belligerent, pro military, bomb them to smithereens, Peace will flourish in the aftermath. But it. He wasn't this almost cartoonish about it, unless I missed it. So what can you help us understand how he got to this place?

[Will Salatin]

So I would argue that he actually was here all along.

[Sam Stein]

Okay, sure.

[Will Salatin]

So I wrote a long series for the Bulwark about Lindsey Graham, and the series is about Lindsey Graham selling out to Donald Trump on all of the domestic issues and the constitutional issues. Lindsey Graham was not like an authoritarian. He gave in to Trump's authoritarianism. I would argue, Sam, that what's happening now is Lindsey Graham is getting the other half of the deal.

[Sam Stein]

He's.

[Will Salatin]

Trump is coming to, has come to him. He has talked Trump into this. So Graham. And my take on it is Graham understood that Trump is an authoritarian. But, Sam, an authoritarian is very useful if you are an interventionist like Graham and you want a strong man to go out and take down these regimes all around the world. And so Graham's getting that. He's getting that in Venezuela. He's getting in Iran, that excitement that you're seeing from him, that is real.

[Sam Stein]

So how did he figure out how to manipulate Trump then? Because Trump, you know, Trump has resisted this type of stuff in the past, but clearly he's all in right now.

[Will Salatin]

Yeah. So a couple of ways. Graham understands that Trump is a businessman. I mean, Graham is moral. He's actually interested in going around the world. And I want to play a clip, because the one that got Meghan McCain upset is not even the worst of them, but he. He wants to go around and, like, take down all these regimes around the world. Trump doesn't care about that. Trump's not moral. But Trump likes money, and Graham understands that. And if you go back through Graham's history with Trump, there is a long history of Graham telling Trump, you know what, if you will take down this government, if you will intervene militarily in this or that country, we're going to make a ton of money off it. He has Done it with minerals. He did it mineral in Afghanistan. He told them, hey, you know what? If you keep the troops in Afghanistan, well, there's some valuable minerals there. He did that in Ukraine. He told Trump, you know, we can, you can get.

[Sam Stein]

Right?

[Will Salatin]

And lo and behold, Sam, we've got that deal, right? In Syria, he told him, you know what, if you go into Syria, there's a lot of oil there. And he did it in Venezuela, right. And what does Trump say? In Venezuela, we're getting oil. So that's all working.

[Sam Stein]

So he can get. He can get his way with Trump. But then occasionally he kind of overdoes it, I guess would be the way to do it. He just gets so excited and he talks so openly and thirsty about the next regime he wants to topple. So this is the clip that you. I was so then, just so people understand, when I saw the Lindsay interview, the clip that we played early on, I saw, I was like, oh, my God, here he is. Just, we're gonna blow the hell out of people without any sort of, I don't know, hesitation to the loss of life, to, like, the human suffering that that would cause to, you know, the fact that there's not really good history about just toppling a regime and then blowing its people to smithereens, as he wants to do, and then having the outcome be, you know, tidy. But you said there's another clip that's even worse. So let's play the clip right now where he continues to talk about other things he wants to get done with respect to regime toppling.

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[Will Salatin]

That is Lindsey Graham. That's what he's all about. I mean, he literally says there's. We're marching through the world. We're cleaning out the bad guys. Right? That is. I mean, Meghan McCain was responding to the clip. That was on Twitter. But this was later in the interview and this is, this is the whole vision. He all but says, Sam, that we're, we're going to be the world's policeman, Right?

[Sam Stein]

Yeah.

[Will Salatin]

It's not just that we're, we're going to go intervene. He says, we're cleaning out the bad guys, Sam. That means, I mean, you got, you kidnapped Maduro. That was relatively easy. What are you going to do in Iran? The son of common A is like, probably going to be the next leader. You're going to, like you said, this is going to be a four week operation. The bad guys are still there. What are you going to do? Stop? If that's the agenda, you got to keep going.

[Sam Stein]

No, you got to keep going. It's just like, I don't know, the open again. It comes back to me. The sort of chilling element of it is that there's never consideration to the consequences or the risks or the fallout or the fact that this hasn't worked in the past. It's just him speaking with such conviction and such simplicity about how the world can work where you just go in, you take people out and you know what? Good things happen. Just not the case. And oddly enough, Maga. Maga seemed to have known that in the 2024 campaign. They seem to have forgotten that now that we're in Iran. But Lindsay's having the time of his life. I will say there have been a couple occasions where Lindsay has said, maybe that's too much. So this morning I was, I was tickled by the fact that, and I'll read this tweet, he, he got a little bit upset with Israel because Israel took out a bunch of oil refineries at peers in Iran that they were not supposed to do or that they didn't get clearance for with the United States. He writes, our allies in Israel have shown amazing capability when it comes to collapsing the murderous regime in Iran. America is most appreciative. However, there will be a day soon that the Iranian people will be in charge of their own fate and not the murderous Ayatollah's regime. In that regard, please be cautious. He's like addressing this to Netanyahu. Please be cautious about what targets you select. Our goal is to liberate the Iranian people in a fashion that does not cripple their chance to start a new and better life. When this regime collapses, the oil economy of Iran will be essential to that endeavor. So if you are bombing too much for even Lindsey Graham, you've gone too far. I Feel like that's just. You can't. You don't want to be on that side of the Lindsey Graham spectrum.

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[Will Salatin]

Can I, Can I pick up, though, on what you said about the, like, everything's going to be great. So this is part of the Lindsey story. Iran's going down. We're going to have new partners and everything. He actually, a couple of times this week has addressed this question that you raise. What comes next? How do we know what's going to be better? We've had lots of experience going in, and things end up worse. Iraq was an example in some ways. So Lindsey has said twice now that I've seen. He has said twice. That's an insulting idea to say that things could get worse in Iran. You're insulting the people of Iran because they plainly don't like their regime. They don't. They're not bad. And he, Sam, he's too smart. He knows that that's bullshit.

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Right.

[Will Salatin]

He knows that the problem in Iran is not that the people want the government to be worse, it's that the people can't do jack. They. Thousands got mowed down the last time they rose up. And you have this band of clerics and radicals and, you know, militants who run the government. And there's already signs it's going to be as bad. Literally, the son of the ayatollah will be taking over.

[Sam Stein]

So 30 years younger, so he has longer lifespan. Same basic world philosophy as his father.

[Will Salatin]

Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

With hatred for the America because they just killed half his family. So, yeah, not great.

[Will Salatin]

Yeah. So you. And now the fork in the road at this point is, okay, we end up with the governments that. That is as bad and they're just going to rebuild their missiles. Or we say, as Trump says, you know what? I don't like that guy. I don't want him to run the country. I'm going to choose someone else. How. You know, at that point, you are extending your war aims. You were in a quagmire because you're saying, yeah, we took out that stuff, but we don't like their leader, so we're going to keep at it until we kill this guy. Then it just goes on and on.

[Sam Stein]

And what would Lindsey say to that? Great, we have more bombs than they do.

[Will Salatin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Stein]

I mean, that's it.

[Will Salatin]

And let me. Can I just add that, like, this excitement that he's had about, like, Iran, it's not contained to Iran. So he has, in the last week, a couple of times, started to name other places where we should be Going

[Sam Stein]

well, he said Cuba. Yeah.

[Will Salatin]

So this is, he's done this a couple of times now. He said, first of all, he said this on Trey Gowdy's show on Fox News on Sunday. Remember, the war started in Iran on Saturday. Right. So that we're on day two of the war and Lindsey Graham was already talking about going into Lebanon.

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[Will Salatin]

And then he said this, he did a briefing for reporters after on this is on Tuesday. And here's, here's what he says.

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[Will Salatin]

All right, so Graham is saying, okay, we've done Venezuela, we've done Iran, we'll go to Cuba. But before we get to Cuba, why don't we take the opportunity to take a little detour from Iran. We'll go into Lebanon. The Israelis are already in Lebanon. There's bombing in Lebanon. And Graham is saying, let's join that war. And Sam, it's not just join the war because they're a threat to us, because Hezbollah is not a threat to us. He's literally talking about vengeance, about Sam, 1983, what he's talking about the bombing of the marine Barracks. That's four years ago. So you can have a 40 year vengeance campaign to bomb another country well, it's madness.

[Sam Stein]

And it's not going over particularly well with everybody. Not just Meghan McCain will leave here. But this afternoon, Lindsey Graham went on Twitter and we're taping this, I should say, on Monday around like 1:15 ish. And the. He went on Twitter to admit punish the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for not using their full military capabilities as part of the effort to go after Iran. And he writes, question, why should America do a defense agreement with a country like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that is unwilling to join a fight of mutual interest? Needless to say, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia didn't like this. And we're having now some issues, diplomatically speaking, but Lindsey Graham doesn't care because he just wants to bomb countries. Iran, Lebanon, take over Cuba, we did Venezuela, he's just on it.

[Will Salatin]

So we want to, we're gonna have the war in Iran. We're gonna take on some other countries that are nominally our enemies. And now we're gonna take on our friends. We're gonna take on our friends, the Saudi.

[Sam Stein]

I don't think he's saying we're gonna Bob Saudi Arabia. He's just admonished.

[Will Salatin]

No, no, no. But it's like this is, he's taken on the Trump thing about threatening the friends. Remember, Trump's already like, he's, Trump's already bashing this, this Spain, the UK because they weren't fast enough on the draw to help us, Right? And now Lindsey Graham's going after the Saudis. And in that tweet, he says he's threatening to not give them the defense agreement that they want. Right. And he says if you don't get in this war with us, consequences will follow. He is, he's threatening our friends, our allies. That's crazy.

[Sam Stein]

He picked at Israel, too, for bombing too much. You know, he's just like, it's just him on Twitter, you know, just going nuts. You know, they kind of all learned from Trump, right? Or they, they all try to emulate Trump. They can't pull it off. But that's what they do. They go on cable, they act crazy. They go on Twitter, they start, you know, bullying different countries. It's just wannabe Trumps.

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Yeah.

[Will Salatin]

Yeah. So basically, Trump is going around the world beating everybody up, threatening everybody. And then you have these guys like Lindsey Graham, the flunkies, who are riding Trump's back and saying, he's our guy. If you don't, if you don't do what we want, our, our authoritarian is going to come after you, too. Oh, my God.

[Sam Stein]

All right, well, we'll keep monitoring it. I'm going to try to convince Will do a second installment of his Lindsey grand series. That took a long time, so it's probably not going to happen. But we'll keep monitoring Lindsay because. Well, because we have to. For that, though, you have to subscribe to the Bulwark For Our Pains, please subscribe on YouTube on Substack. Follow our work. We love you guys. Thank you so much for watching. Talk to you soon.

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