Bulwark Takes: New American Pope Blasted Trump and JD Vance Before Election – Episode Summary

Release Date: May 8, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of Bulwark Takes, hosts Tim Miller and Jonathan V. Last delve into the groundbreaking news of Cardinal Robert Prevost’s election as the first American Pope in history. The episode provides an in-depth analysis of Pope Leo XIV’s background, his unexpected criticisms of prominent American figures, and the broader implications of having an American at the helm of the Vatican.

Pope Leo XIV: A Historical Milestone

Tim Miller introduces the monumental election of Cardinal Robert Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV, highlighting his status as the first American Pontiff. At [00:00], Tim exclaims:

“For those who haven't seen it yet, Cardinal Robert Prevost. Prevost. I got that right. Of the United States has been selected as the first American Pontiff in history.” [00:00]

Jonathan V. Last adds depth by discussing Prevost’s background:

“He is a skinny Pope. Looks a great deal like our good friend Eric Edelman from Shield of the Republic.” [02:16]

Pope Leo XIV, a 69-year-old from Chicago, brings a fresh perspective with his significant global experience, including his tenure as a bishop in Peru and leadership of the powerful Vatican office for bishop appointments.

Unexpected Criticisms: Tweets Against JD Vance and Trump

One of the most surprising aspects of Pope Leo XIV’s ascent has been his critical stance towards prominent American figures, notably JD Vance and Donald Trump.

Tim Miller points out:

“And the only other thing that I know about him is that he shit on JD Vance on Twitter a couple weeks ago.” [00:33]

The conversation shifts to Pope Leo XIV’s tweets, particularly his criticisms of JD Vance regarding immigration and moral issues. Jonathan V. Last elaborates:

“Robert Prevost … Jesus doesn't ask us to rank our love for others. … he was kind of misinterpreting ... he was misinterpreting their doctrine about how, like, you care, you love your family more than you love strangers.” [10:09]

Additionally, Pope Leo XIV's final tweet before his papacy involved retweeting a message that challenges political leaders on their stance towards suffering and immigration:

“How can you stay quiet? That is his final tweet.” [11:20]

Analyzing the Papal Conclave

The hosts discuss the dynamics of the conclave that led to Pope Leo XIV’s election. Jonathan V. Last notes:

“This conclave … the votes … only four ballots, which tells you that he was probably the front runner from the first ballot.” [03:56]

They highlight how Pope Francis reshaped the College of Cardinals, influencing the conclave's outcome. Unlike previous conclaves where cardinals knew each other well, this conclave saw many cardinals meeting for the first time, contributing to a swift election process.

Papal Rhetoric and Future Direction

Pope Leo XIV’s inaugural speeches and blessings have been noted for their inclusive and global approach. Jonathan V. Last remarks:

“His papal blessing was a, you know, peace. He referenced Francis like three times … he is definitely going to continue that ... he will be the Pope for the whole world.” [06:11]

The hosts speculate on the potential direction of Pope Leo XIV’s pontificate, suggesting it may align closely with Pope Francis in embracing the global south and fostering a more inclusive Church.

Reactions and Implications in America

The election has sparked varied reactions within the United States, particularly among political figures. Tim Miller anticipates Donald Trump's response:

“It's already happened. Just happened. I'm actually not surprised by this. … Congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost. Such an honor to realize he's the first American Pope …” [12:22]

He humorously predicts Trump’s likely attempt to associate the election with American greatness:

“How long is it before he takes credit for this and says that it's because America … they respect America now.” [13:36]

Jonathan V. Last shares his optimistic outlook, expressing hope that Pope Leo XIV’s leadership will bring positive change:

“I have full Pollyanna … Maybe it'll be a great Pope.” [07:05]

Community Reactions and Celebrations

The hosts discuss how Catholics around the world, especially in the United States, are responding to the election. Jonathan V. Last describes personal celebrations:

“We stayed for the blessing. We held up our little rosaries and got them blessed … It's just awesome.” [14:06]

They also mention the surge in Villanova University alumni enthusiasm, hinted at by the influx of Villanova sweatshirts in Rome and playful remarks about the prospective renaming of campus buildings after the new Pope.

Conclusion

Bulwark Takes concludes with a blend of excitement and cautious optimism regarding Pope Leo XIV’s future leadership. Tim Miller and Jonathan V. Last encourage listeners to subscribe for more insightful discussions, celebrating the historic election while contemplating its potential impact on both the Catholic Church and American society.

Notable Quotes

1. Tim Miller (00:00):

   “For those who haven't seen it yet, Cardinal Robert Prevost. Prevost. I got that right. Of the United States has been selected as the first American Pontiff in history.”

2. Jonathan V. Last (02:16):

   “He is a skinny Pope. Looks a great deal like our good friend Eric Edelman from Shield of the Republic.”

3. Jonathan V. Last (10:09):

   “Robert Prevost … Jesus doesn't ask us to rank our love for others. … he was kind of misinterpreting ... he was misinterpreting their doctrine about how, like, you care, you love your family more than you love strangers.”

4. Tim Miller (12:22):

   “It's already happened. Just happened. I'm actually not surprised by this. … Congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost. Such an honor to realize he's the first American Pope …”

5. Jonathan V. Last (07:05):

   “I have full Pollyanna … Maybe it'll be a great Pope.”

Implications and Future Considerations

The election of Pope Leo XIV marks a significant shift in the Vatican’s history, reflecting a more global and inclusive approach under his leadership. His critical stance towards American political figures suggests a Pope unafraid to voice moral concerns, potentially shaping the Church’s role in global and domestic issues. As Pope Leo XIV begins his pontificate, both Catholics and international observers will be keenly watching his initiatives and teachings to gauge the future direction of the Catholic Church.

Stay tuned to Bulwark Takes for ongoing coverage and analysis of Pope Leo XIV’s actions and their impact on both the religious community and the broader socio-political landscape.