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Tim Alberta
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Will Sommer
Well, that might come up later.
Tim Alberta
Okay. Yeah. I mean, just the tight jean, the tight pants, and I don't know, do we need a three piece suit for the club in Miami? Whatever. Teach their own, I guess. The men in the bus, the boys. The man boys in this party bus include Andrew and Tristan Tate. People are probably familiar with sex criminals. Nick Fuentes, the alt right guru, groiper, leader, clavicular, who's come to my attention recently. He's the looks maxer who said that J.D. vance was subhuman while Gavin Newsom Moggs, a guy named Myron Gaines I don't know much about. A guy named Justin Waller I know much about. And Sneako, who's like a really grotesque right wing figure who I think did some gay for pay stuff. Don't sue me. That's rumor. Allegedly. I'm not sure if that's true before going like full, you know, I don't know. Trad. Right wing. He's a Muslim boy.
Will Sommer
Yeah, yeah, he's a Muslim boy.
Tim Alberta
Should be men. The sneako stuff. I've been monitoring for quite a while for reasons we'll get into, so that, that seems to be the manifest. Talk to me about that grouping, what that means and maybe give us anything that I. I missed on who these people are.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, look, the boy. The boys went out on the town. I mean, it's the Hangover 4 or whatever. I mean this is a true. The leading lights of the manosphere, as you said. I think the man children, they got together. I mean, you've got the tape brothers, fresh from Romania, still facing serious charges for trafficking and worse in the uk. You know, Nick Fuente is kind of the little brother in all this. You got Justin Waller, who's kind of like a Tate like figure. He's like a real like, like, like disregard women, acquire money, you know. At one point he advises Clavicular to like never dine with a woman. Not in a Mike Pence way, but because women are so boring, you should only bring them as ornaments to meet dinners with men. And then you have Myron Gaines, who. That's an alias. I want to say he's a former DHS agent and it's Myron Gaines because you're always admiring his Gaines.
Tim Alberta
Oh, no, no, really, that's what it is. That is so corny. Oh my God. I mean, it's honestly worse to be that corny than it is to be a Nazi, which they're both, it turns out, but you're admiring my gaze. Do we know his real name?
Will Sommer
Yeah, well, this is also, I think, why he uses an alias, Amur fadl. It's like a Muslim name. And so I think perhaps that was not going to go over so well in the right. He runs one of these Ethiopian.
Tim Alberta
Is that Ethiopian?
Will Sommer
Sounds like, I believe, Sudanese perhaps, but roughly in that area. Or tamale, perhaps, but, but he runs one of these podcasts people may have seen where they get in a bunch of women, you know, sometimes only fans model, stuff like that. And then they say, you know, what's your body count? You know, all this stuff. One of these, like real kind of like macho podcasts. So that, that's his origins. And then I, then I just want.
Tim Alberta
To say, for the record, I've not seen those podcasts. That's really material, I can assume. Yeah.
Will Sommer
Oh, my gosh.
Tim Alberta
I, I, I think everybody's outgo is different. Okay. So I don't know, they must, they must have pegged you as somebody that's really interested in bot in OnlyFans body count videos.
Will Sommer
And then the last character I really want to introduce here is Clavicular, because he's kind of the viewer identification character. He's new to this world. Clavicular is a young man, by the way. He's not old enough to go to a nightclub, which has become an issue here. But he's into looks maxing. And so this is going to extremes to look handsome. And so he does things like bone smashing. He kind of walks around with a little hammer. You know, he'll be in the club, he'll get bored, he'll start smashing his bones with a hammer. And also he's notorious for smoking meth to get a kind of, you know, buccal, fat, concave look.
Tim Alberta
Yeah, the buccal fat removal is big right now. Yeah. So meth, he's famously soaking meth. And then in another video, I don't know if I have that pulled up. Maybe I'll find it later. He gets. It's a different evening, I think he gets into a confrontation with the guy outside and he's talking about how he's on kick. Um, so he's partying, you know, which is, I was about to say, is allowed, but I guess it's not allowed actually to smoke meth. That would be.
Will Sommer
But, well, if you're lucky, maybe it should be. We'll see.
Tim Alberta
Yeah, he's partying. Yeah. And yes, Luther Sticker. I just, I've been, I've been following Sticker for A long time because I. It was the first moment when I saw a video of him at like a. I think it was a sporting event of some kind. It really opened my eyes to like how like we're going to make fun of all these guys and laugh a little bit, but like how dangerous this all is. And it's because I was like, I forget somebody had introduced me to him and I'd seen some info. So it was one of his like viral videos where he's saying some really hateful shit about women and like noxious racist shit. Obviously he dabbles in some anti semitic material like all these other guys. And. And I just saw these like very young looking boys, like run up to him at this game. It was like a video of them being like, sneako, Sneako, Sneako. And I was just like, man, like, the influence these guys have is pretty alarming. And part of the reason why we have all this video we're about to show you is because they're like live streaming a lot, right? And at least some of them are like clavicular and others. Right. And is that not kind of where people are monitoring them?
Will Sommer
These guys have big audiences. I think you're right to bring up Sneako. I mean, if people think of these other live streamers with massive platforms like Kaisanat or Show Speed and these are tailored, I think, towards like middle schoolers, high schoolers. And Sneako's similar in that he live streams. I think he has this kind of young, you know, teen preteen boy audience. But he's evil, right? I mean, he's really into like giving Hitler salutes and stuff like that. And so, you know, I remember that clip you talked about. I mean, you can see that these kids really idolize him and he goes on these adventures and whatever, but then he mixes in that racism, that anti.
Tim Alberta
Here, I just pulled up here, like his Twitter feed. He's got a million followers. His most recent post is a Jewish club promoter called me to say I'm a band from his club. So it's that kind of material you're getting from Sneako. All right, let's go to the video. We've teased people too long. I guess we'll start first with the party bus. The aforementioned party bus. Because this was the first thing I saw. It came across my feed and let's. Let's play it here. All right, so there you go. We see most of the posse here. The Man Boy Hitler posse. Sing along. That's Kanye's newest song. Heil Hitler. Not Subtle. They're not really going for subtlety here. You can see, I think that's the person whose gains were supposed to be admiring just doing the full Nazi salute over and over again while they're videoing themselves. Nick Fuentes is in the back, looking a little uncomfortable and chuckling. The clavicular part of this is interesting. He's again, the looks max of the handsome boy in the front left there. And, well, I do think that he is kind of a representative is what you're talking about of like, about how these people are getting sucked into this. Right. I mean, like, this guy was like really just. I mean, I talked about doing drugs and being hot, which maybe has its own risks associated with it, but it doesn't necessarily. Shouldn't necessarily lead to a pipeline of being in a party bus singing Heil Hitler. And yet that's where he's found himself.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a sign of how kind of right wing this broader streamer universe is. Sort of reflexively that if you're looking for people, I mean, this is a guy with a truly twisted backstory. I mean, he. He's doing, you know, unlicensed Botox, like type med spa injections on people. And I think he, you know, you look around and who are you going to collaborate with? I mean, Nick Fuentes kind of brought him into this world. I think they did a video together a few months ago. Nick Fuentes, for whatever reason, I think, likes collaborating with handsome young men. And so he sort of brought him in and there were some.
Tim Alberta
I think it was the first I noticed clavicular was there were some like pick memes going around where Nick Fuentes brought him onto a stream. And then like the Nick Fuentes haters were like posting screenshots of him, like kind of looking coquettishly at him a little bit and like blushing a little bit. Yes, like some.
Will Sommer
Yeah, no, I think that's it. I mean, he's, you know, he has kind of history of this. He brings him in and then he, you know, mixes it up with this world of, you know, I mean, clinically on his own. It's like a truly nightmare guy. I mean, I've watched a bunch of his interviews and it's, you know, he comes from this. His parents were bodybuilder. I mean, this truly, like, twisted world. But, you know, you know, he is perhaps, you know, one of the. He's kind of the new guy on the scene.
Tim Alberta
Got it. Okay. So there they are. They're in their party bus. They're doing Heil Hitler salutes. I think the points are made and most of our viewers know this but I guess before we get to inside the club I just important to I think level set here. One of the reasons I think this is important to really watch and talk about and share and mock all is that like these people are not just influential with young like whatever teen boys. Like they're influential with people working in the government, you know and and I know one thing I was watching that I think frustrates some of the left is I was some somebody posted this on social media and they're like why you know are the Democrats tarred by like the crazy posting of some like woke barista in San Francisco, you know or by the land acknowledgement people, you know or whatever. But like the Republicans aren't fully carrying the baggage of this crowd yet and I do think that's important. Like the people that are in this party bus doing Heil Hitler, these man boys, they have followers at the highest levels of the government. And when I say the highest levels of the government, I mean J.D. vance, the vice President follows some of them on social media like he follows Andrew Tate. You've reported on people in the government who are huge fans of Andrew Tate and kind of helped him in his process. The Rodrier reported recently about how many high ranking Republican staffers are groipers and followers of Nick Fuentes. Like the Heil Hitler man boys in this party bus like have influence in the White House.
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Will Sommer
Mean, you know, let's just take the Tates, for example. I mean, the New York Times had a. Reporting, I believe, a month ago about how the Trump administration really intervened to help them. I mean, they. They've been facing criminal charges in both Romania and the UK Times had this story about how when they went to Florida and the DeSantis administration was like, oh, you guys are infamous. We don't want you around here. That the. The Trump administration intervened, I think, to help get their devices back after they were seized. And so, I mean, these are. These are people. I mean, we know Nick Fuentes dined with Trump, a few. With Kanye at Mar a Lago. So, I mean, these are people who, you know, have a lot of influence, and I. And I think are also sort of beloved, you know, in the administration. You know, we know Sneako, for example, was at the New York Young Republicans gala where people may remember the famous Groiper slap. So these are people who are well connected. These aren't sort of just random oddballs who are sort of careening around Miami. Although, I mean, they definitely are that as well.
Tim Alberta
Yeah. All right, let's go inside the club. So now they've made it in. This club is Vendome. I've never been in there, but South. South Beach. They appear to have, like, a table or some kind of table service. You know, the Nazi man boys are hanging out, and I guess they have some influence over the dj. And so their favorite song gets played again. They don't understand things I say on Twitter. So we're inside, and they're doing the Heil Hitler song again inside a club. Public, like, rented this place out for a party. Like, they have a table at a club, and they're playing Kanye's Heil Hitler song at the club. We see some more saluting, some parting clavicular is live streaming. Sneako seems like he's really partying. If he's a Muslim, I don't. Is he not. Is he sober? I don't know if he's following all the rules there, but we'll see. And then Andrew Tate is kind of seems to be like the older brother figure standing down on the ground, a little bit embarrassed by the young Nazi misogynists that he's grooming.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, I think what. You know, a lot of this world sort of relies on what young people call aura. Right. And kind of coming off as cool, coming off as glamorous, powerful, attractive to women. And I think in some ways, this night owl was sort of a Bit of a debacle. You know, I. I watched a video. I think they went out another night. A few. A couple of them a few nights later, just kind of walking the streets of Miami. And it reminded me of bachelor party trips. I've been on to Miami, where you kind of walk around, you're like, oh, this club's too expensive. Oh, these girls want to talk to us. No, you're kind of just walking around, and you start having a lame night. And so I think in this way, these guys can really sort of. You know, certainly in Romania, the Tate brothers have their kind of compound. These guys can sort of groom how they come off on video. But then when they're out on the street and people are going like, oh, you know, don't come in here, whatever. There's video of obviously Clavicular getting mogged by a rival with another with his own big chin. And so, you know, I think it was a bit of a challenge for these guys.
Tim Alberta
Yeah, the aura farming is an important thing there. It's a popular phrase, you know, which is basically you're trying to project online. Like, a coolness is essentially, I think, a normal person's way of describing aura farming. And so there are some people talking about how maybe, like, Nick Fuentes was trying to. Or a farm off of some of these other guys who aren't as political and dorky and are just more in the sort of muscle. I'm a hot guy, you know, I'm a macho man space. But that we reached the limits a little bit of his ability to aura farm off of these masculine men. At one point, when he caught on the live stream, well, let's just watch it together. Yo, Nick, I'm gonna bring some girls over for you. So there. If you couldn't catch it, you see Clavicular walking up to Nick Fuente saying, hey, there's some girls that want to come hang with us. And Fuente standing in the back in kind of his dad's suit, being like, I'm good. I'm good. And by the way, look, you never got to hand it to Nick Fuentes. You never have to defend him. I will say this. At one point, I was a closeted man who had handsome friends who tried to introduce me to curls, and I didn't want to either. But, you know, eventually you grow out of that. And I think that there are. I think that's an important growth step in life. And for me, I think it gave me a lot of. I think it changed me for the better. We'll just say that I didn't have all this baggage of hiding in the closet. And maybe Nick Fuentes needs that for himself. But the people online, I'll just say, notice this. And if you're trying to be kind of the leader of young men who feel left behind, you know, by society, I don't know. I don't know if that. If that works. What do you think? Or maybe it does because he's just trying to be the leader of the incels.
Will Sommer
Well, you know, it's interesting. I mean, I feel like a lot of these guys in this crew are very based on, you know, how many women can you get? How beautiful is your girlfriend or the women you sleep with? But there's also this real. Even beyond Fuentes, there's this real kind of like, you know, girls, step aside, let's not hang out with the girls, you know, aspect to it. At one point, Justin Waller, as I said, he says, you know, never dine alone with a woman, you know, you know, gross. What a waste of time. And, you know, the vibe is very sterile in general. I mean, it's interesting from my perspective to see these guys, like, on the loose, you know, in their, you know, acting, you know, away from the webcam. At one point, you know, I would say a lovely young woman is sitting on clavicular's lap. And I think one of the tape brothers says, you know, you're a seven and you better act right because you're sitting on the lap of an 11. So he's saying, Clavicular is 11. So it's like, you know, my boy's way hotter than you. Okay, you're lucky. So I just can't imagine a conversation like that in real life, you know, amongst my friends. And, you know, what I would say about Nick Fuentes is it does remind me as well when I have friends in college who later turned out to be in the closet, and these girls would be throwing themselves at them, and I'd be like, bro, you know what? You know, this party's going great. You know, go home with this girl. And they'd say, not for me. And I'd say, wow, that guy's a real gentleman. You know, I could learn from that. So, you know, then a year later, they'd come out and I'd say, oh.
Tim Alberta
I don't think any of my friends confused me for a gentleman. I think they were just like, boy, Tim had one too many drinks tonight. He couldn't even close those. I'll just say, this. This is, you know, not to Be the dad providing advice to the young men or whatever not to do go all seventh heaven on them. But like, this isn't really the way to find meaning and purpose in life, you know. And I think that it is leading a lot of people down a sad road. And I think it's the most, I think not the most because there's so much distressing stuff about the turn that Tucker and Megyn Kelly and them have taken, right? But Tucker and Megyn Kelly, in order to do some aura farming of their own off of these guys trying to win over their audience, have had Tucker's, had Nick on, you know, they've been kind of defending them, they've been rationalizing their behavior by talking about how young men have been left behind and all this. And it's like you look at like this video of these boys shouting Heil Hitler. Being misogynist, being in the closet maybe in some cases. And it's just like they know better. Like these grown, these actual grownups, most of these guys are grown ups too. Fucking Andrew Tate's 40. But like the, you know, Tucker and Meg Kelly have kids that are teens. Like, they have a responsibility to be like, no like this. To shuttle people the right direction. Like, this is only leading to basically internal despair for all of these guys who go down this path, you know, but also just like real societal rot and a threat to our society. And it's like so obvious and, you know, they all know it and it's really. And I just think it's kind of. It's pretty disheartening, I guess. So that's my seventh heaven rant. I don't know if you have anything on that.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a divide that flares up every so often, particularly around the Tate brothers on the right, where, you know, you have people like Alina Haba who said, oh, I'm a huge Andrew Tate fan. So you have these elements that I feel like there are people on the right like Tucker, like Megan who. There's this like unstable, incel, often racist thing that they like, are afraid of and they don't really want to challenge and they kind of want to get some cloud off of it. You know, some people kind of like the Daily Wire crowd with Ben Shapiro or people who are like more like kind of. There's some pastors on the right who will say, you know, if my son talked like Justin Waller does, or clavicular talks about women, I'd be like, this is a disaster. And so, you know, I think as.
Tim Alberta
You Said it is shameful. It'd be shameful like you'd be ashamed to have your son talk like this. Honestly, it'd be even a more accurate way to put it.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I, I think that's right. And so you can see that divide. But, you know, I, I do think, unfortunately these are guys that the. I mean, but you know, look, I mean, Donald Trump is one. I mean, how does he treat women? Right? I mean, and, and so ultimately I think that's the, the rod at the center of it. Less so than, you know, someone like Clavicular.
Tim Alberta
What a offer a statement from Vendome, the club that they're in there. They put it out on this, like kind of purple, in this purple disco font. So I'm going to talk about the absurdity of our times. We are aware of a video circulating online from one of our venues that includes content and imagery that are deeply offensive and unacceptable. We want to be unequivocally clear. Vendome and our hospitality group do not condone anti Semitism, hate speech or prejudice of any kind. How do you get to a place where the club is playing the Heil Hitler song? You know, not great for Vendome? I don't.
Will Sommer
Well, I mean, they fired a couple people over it. They said in a statement. So I think that, yeah, you know, when you have the guy with the live streaming camera say, hey, can you play the Halle Whittler song? You go, oh, yeah, why not? I think obviously some mistakes were made.
Tim Alberta
Can we talk about just the one, the elephant in the room here about all of this? I mean, I guess there are multiple elephants in the room. We've already kind of talked about the sexuality part, but the other part, I just want to talk about the racial makeup of this group. If you're Hitler, you gotta be wanting to commit suicide again right now to know that these are your heirs. And you have the Muslim sneako. Is Myron Gaines also Muslim? I don't know. He's African. He's African, yeah, Muslim. The Tates, what are they?
Will Sommer
I think their dad was black. I'm not sure the religion side of it.
Tim Alberta
I mean, they don't seem to be very religious figures. You've got Nick Fuentes, who is a Hispanic. Like this is not really a representation of white power and there's not really a wasp in the room. Like there's not a blonde, blue eyed, you know, representative of the master race and the whole crew. And I don't know, I mean, I guess it's probably too much to expect that Any of these people would have read a book, but maybe they could have watched a movie about Hitler and known that this. This path they're taking the country down, you know, it might end up coming back around to bite them.
Will Sommer
It does seem a little short sighted. I agree. I mean, I think there is this.
Tim Alberta
Aspect of, I guess, clavicular. I lied. There is one member of the. I guess Hitler would probably be okay with clavicular. I don't know where Hitler stood on the bone smashing.
Will Sommer
I believe he was into amphetamines and stuff, and so I feel like he would like the meth. But I do think clavicular might be the only one who would really be welcomed by Hitler at the Eagle's Nest.
Tim Alberta
Yes. Can we spit it as a victory for liberalism. Only in a liberal society, you know, could we raise a group of closeted gay, Muslim, mixed race boys to decide that they want to adopt the ideology of Hitler and feel comfortable doing it in a free society. I don't know. Is there anything there. Is that a positive note for us to end this on will or. No, you don't.
Will Sommer
Yeah, maybe that's the good news. I mean, I think the other good news is, is that I think this was, you know, like I said, it's sort of a disaster for these guys. I mean, obviously they got a lot of attention off of it, but I think it was not, you know, I don't think there were really any epic Chad moments that emerged. I don't think anyone was truly mogged, as they say that they, you know, really outshine them with their handsomeness.
Tim Alberta
You know, I guess clovicular got mogged. Actually, let's. There is one more video. We should just put that up. You. You can't just go around saying things and expect things to go well for you. You know what I mean? I know.
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Tim Alberta
Lot live streaming, but I'm high as. I don't give a. Are you high off coke? I'm high off ketamine. So if you think I give a. About the live stream. I don't. I'm telling you.
Will Sommer
All right.
Tim Alberta
It does seem like they maybe lost some more.
Will Sommer
These guys are under a lot of weird pressure because the. You know, when you get a guy with a bigger chin who rolls up higher cheekbones, then all the, you know, the chatters go mod. Clavicular. Mod L for clavicular. So, you know, it's. It's a. It's a complex career and, you know, one I don't envy.
Tim Alberta
It does suck this Sucks that we're here.
Will Sommer
Look, I mean, it sucks.
Tim Alberta
This sucks that we're here. I guess I do have one final thing. I'm sorry, I just can't. I'm like. I'm like, how is this my life, you know, that I'm sitting here like, talking about these fucking pathetic man boys doing the Heil Hitler. But the algorithms are a huge problem. It's just where I started, where I want to end. I mean, like, at some level, these guys are responsible for their own actions. It's obviously the Trump administration. Doing anything to help any of them in their efforts is a shame on the country. But, like, the algorithms, like, like they, you know, are thrusting these guys into everybody's face, into people's feeds, into young people's feeds, for sure. Maybe some viewers of this are like, not into mine, but like into young people's seeds. They're getting, you know, they're getting. Even if it's hate watching, they're watching, right? And it's just like in a different era, I guess that's the fundamental problem that I'm trying to get to, right? Like, there's always going to be human frailty. There's always going to be racists. There's always going to be dudes that are misogynist. There's always going to be dudes that want to make themselves look as hot as possible and do metham ketamine. Like, all that's going to happen no matter what. But, like, in 1992, nobody would know who any of these people are, right? Like, there'd be no way to gather any information about any of them. Like, there'd been no one that waited for them to get the platform that they have. And they're so their menacing would be contained to, like, their friend group, you know, and, and that, to me, I think, is the biggest problem we've got.
Will Sommer
Yeah, I think that's. That's absolutely right. I mean, obviously X, among others, like, clearly really likes this content, likes these guys and pushing them. And that's, you know, that's. That's why they're in front of all of us.
Tim Alberta
We got to fix that. That's my. That's my Democratic 2028. They ever get back in charge, this is going to be my hobby horse. So we got to do something about the, about the Algos, but. Will Sommer, thank you so much, buddy. Welcome back to the game, everybody. Check out his False Flag newsletter. It is the best. Subscribe@the bork.com subscribe to us here on YouTube. We'll be seeing you all soon.
In this episode, Tim Alberta of The Bulwark is joined by Will Sommer, author of the False Flag newsletter, for an incisive and darkly comedic breakdown of a viral night out involving several notorious far-right and "manosphere" influencers: Andrew and Tristan Tate, Nick Fuentes, Sneako, Myron Gaines, Justin Waller, and "Clavicular." The two dissect the group's troubling antics—live-streamed Nazi salutes, misogyny, and more—in a Miami club, and reflect on the broader dangers, the culture of online far-right masculinity, and the consequences of platform algorithms that amplify these figures.
"That's a party bus. There's a handful of men in there all dressed up a little overdressed, just a little gay, really, for the club." — Tim Alberta [01:22]
"I mean, look, the boys went out on the town. I mean, it's the Hangover 4 or whatever. I mean, this is a true... the leading lights of the manosphere, as you said. I think the man children, they got together." — Will Sommer [03:43]
"The people that are in this party bus doing Heil Hitler, these man boys, they have followers at the highest levels of the government." — Tim Alberta [12:21]
"You got Justin Waller, who's... like, disregard women, acquire money, you know. At one point he advises Clavicular to like never dine with a woman... because women are so boring." — Will Sommer [03:59]
"Let's play it here. All right, so there you go. We see... The Man Boy Hitler posse. Sing along. That's Kanye's newest song. 'Heil Hitler.' Not subtle. They're not really going for subtlety here." — Tim Alberta [09:08]
"A lot of this world sort of relies on what young people call aura, right? And kind of coming off as cool, coming off as glamorous, powerful, attractive to women." — Will Sommer [16:04]
"You're trying to project online like a coolness... Nick Fuentes was trying to aura farm off of some of these other guys... But we reached the limits a little bit of his ability to aura farm off of these masculine men." — Tim Alberta [17:02]
"Yo, Nick, I'm gonna bring some girls over for you... Fuente standing in the back in kind of his dad's suit, being like, 'I'm good. I'm good.'" — Tim Alberta [18:13]
"There's this real kind of like, you know, girls, step aside, let's not hang out with the girls... The vibe is very sterile in general." — Will Sommer [19:15]
"The algorithms are a huge problem... these guys are responsible for their own actions... But, like, in 1992, nobody would know who any of these people are, right?... their menacing would be contained to their friend group... And that is the biggest problem we've got." — Tim Alberta [27:41, 28:59]
"Obviously, X, among others, clearly really likes this content, likes these guys, and pushing them. And that's why they're in front of all of us." — Will Sommer [29:20]
"Tucker and Megyn Kelly... they've been rationalizing their behavior by talking about how young men have been left behind... They've got a responsibility. This is only leading to basically internal despair... but also just like real societal rot and a threat to our society." — Tim Alberta [21:03]
"If you're Hitler, you've got to be wanting to commit suicide again right now to know that these are your heirs... Like, there's not a blonde, blue-eyed, representative of the master race in the whole crew." — Tim Alberta [24:17]
On the absurdity of the spectacle:
"How is this my life, you know, that I'm sitting here like, talking about these fucking pathetic man boys doing the Heil Hitler." – Tim Alberta [27:41]
On contradictory bigotry:
"Only in a liberal society... could we raise a group of closeted gay, Muslim, mixed race boys to decide that they want to adopt the ideology of Hitler and feel comfortable doing it in a free society." – Tim Alberta [26:09]
On aura farming’s failures:
"I think it was not... I don't think there were really any epic Chad moments that emerged. I don't think anyone was truly mogged, as they say..." – Will Sommer [26:39]
On the dangerous power of the online right:
"In 1992, nobody would know who any of these people are... their menacing would be contained to their friend group, you know, and that, to me, I think, is the biggest problem we've got." – Tim Alberta [28:59]
The episode is laced with gallows humor, blunt language, and a mixture of exasperation, irony, and genuine concern. The hosts maintain a skeptical, eye-rolling posture while still articulating the seriousness of the threat and the cultural vacuum being exploited by these figures.
Tim and Will’s conversation peels back the online spectacle to reveal the very real, very worrying cultural and political dynamics fueling the rise of figures like Fuentes, Tate, and their acolytes. They underscore the need to recognize how algorithms, legitimate power structures, and cultural malaise intersect in disturbing ways—making what might have been pathetic subcultural weirdness increasingly mainstream and influential.
Quote for the times:
"There's always going to be dudes that are misogynist. [But] in 1992, nobody would know who any of these people are... their menacing would be contained to, like, their friend group, you know, and, and that, to me, I think, is the biggest problem we've got." – Tim Alberta [28:59]