Bulwark Takes
Episode: "Republicans Have 7 Months Left to Bury the Epstein Files"
Host: JVL
Guest: Will Sommer (Author, False Flag newsletter at The Bulwark)
Date: April 24, 2026
Episode Overview
In this episode, JVL is joined by Will Sommer to break down the latest developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case and its political fallout. The discussion centers on the Department of Justice's new review of its handling and potential suppression of Epstein-related files, the unusual treatment of Ghislaine Maxwell, and the emerging Republican debate on whether to pardon her. Central to the conversation is the mounting sense of urgency among Republicans to “button up” the case before losing House committee control in seven months, and the profound consequences this could have, both for the party and for public trust.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Department of Justice Inspector General Review
- Context: CNN reports the DOJ's internal watchdog is reviewing the handling and release of Epstein case files.
- Ambiguity: The investigation's aim is unclear—whether it targets improper cover-up or unauthorized leaks.
- Will Sommer (01:38): “Are they investigating as to whether or not the Department of Justice covered up the stuff or are they investigating as to whether or not the Department of Justice leaked things that it shouldn't have?”
- Political Implications:
- Questions about possible omissions, such as files mentioning Donald Trump being withheld from the public.
- Senator Dick Durbin’s claim that FBI agents were instructed to flag Trump-related files, raising further concerns.
- Distrust of Independence:
- JVL (02:26): “I have a hard time believing that they're going to really investigate the Bondi Justice Department along the grounds of, hey, they were covering stuff up for Trump that they shouldn't have been.”
2. Politicization & Shifting Blame
- “Deep State” Narratives:
- Will notes the recurring theme of turning the tables on whistleblowers, familiar from the Mueller and Ukraine investigations.
- Will Sommer (03:01): “…they sort of turn it around and they say the real villain was the person who blew the whistle.”
- Weaponizing the Files:
- Brief mention of earlier Republican threats to investigate Democrats named in Epstein files as political leverage.
- JVL (03:32): “They were going to start investigating all the Democrats who were in the Epstein files.”
3. Unusual DOJ Defense of Ghislaine Maxwell
- Todd Blanche’s Role:
- Blanche, now acting Attorney General and seeking confirmation, previously conducted the controversial interview with Maxwell.
- Blanche (04:04): “First of all, I am responsible for the Bureau of Prisons… There was a tremendous amount of scrutiny and publicity towards her… She was suffering numerous threats against her life.”
- Special Treatment for Maxwell:
- Will details how Maxwell was transferred to a lower-security, more comfortable prison and enjoyed privileges, reportedly moving freely during lockdowns.
- Will Sommer (04:42): “We know that she’s getting special treatment above what the other prisoners already there were getting… She’s still moving around, going to the library.”
- Motivations & Speculation:
- The move might have been designed to secure her cooperation in exonerating Trump, with the promise of leniency in return.
- Will Sommer (04:42): "They needed to get Trump off the hot seat. So they sent Todd Blanche. They said, the only person we can trust here is Ghislaine."
4. The Prospect of a Ghislaine Maxwell Pardon
- Reality of the Debate:
- Republican members of Congress are openly considering a pardon for Maxwell—ostensibly to compel testimony by removing her right to plead the Fifth.
- Will Sommer (06:02): “I mean, in a way, I feel like maybe it’s always…going to end up here because…Trump is very soft on Ghislaine… He's said, you know, oh, I wish her well…"
- James Comer’s Stance:
- Comer, chair of the current House investigation, personally opposes a pardon but admits there’s GOP division.
- Strategic Timing & Risks:
- The GOP must act before the anticipated transfer of committee control to Democrats in 7 months, otherwise risk oppositional investigations or deals.
- JVL (07:24): “If you’re the Republicans, you kind of have to get Maxwell all buttoned up and put to bed before you lose control of the committee, don’t you?”
5. Risks, Public Salience, and Political Tensions
- Midterm Fallout:
- Pardoning Maxwell could be a political disaster, notably among independents and the “manosphere” demo prone to conspiracy attitudes.
- Will Sommer (08:03): “I mean, you talk about pardoning Galain Maxwell… It looks like a disaster in terms of…what Trump’s Epstein culpability might be.”
- Efforts to Move On:
- Todd Blanche, in audio, urges the DOJ “not to look backward,” signaling a desire to close the matter for good.
- Todd Blanche (08:59): “To the extent that the Epstein files was a part of the past year of this Justice Department, it should not be a part of anything going forward.”
- JVL (09:08): “Does he have the power to make that reality?”
- Confirmation Concerns:
- Will expresses skepticism Blanche could survive the Senate confirmation process, especially with the public’s visceral reaction to the concept of a Trump-Maxwell deal.
- Will Sommer (10:11): “This is something that breaks through. I mean, pedophile rings—Trump. I mean, this is something you could say to someone rather than saying, well, your gas is...”
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Potential DOJ Cover-up:
“Pages with Trump’s name on them were not included in the public releases.”
— Will Sommer (01:59) -
On Inspector General’s Independence:
“I have a hard time believing that they're going to really investigate the Justice Department along the grounds of, hey, they were covering stuff up for Trump that they shouldn't have been.”
— JVL (02:26) -
On Republican Leverage:
“If you Democrats go after Donald Trump, we're going to go after the delegate from the US Virgin Islands, you know, the famous Democratic icon.”
— Will Sommer (03:39) -
On Maxwell’s Prison Treatment:
"She’s getting special treatment above what the other prisoners already there were getting..."
— Will Sommer (04:42) -
On Pardoning Maxwell:
“Maybe in a year we can have this situation where it’s not up to Trump… the Republicans in Congress are asking, we need a pardon so we can find the real villains, and then that’s how she gets the pardon.”
— Will Sommer (06:02) -
On Political Danger:
“You talk about pardoning Galain Maxwell… It looks like a disaster in terms of what Trump's Epstein culpability might be.”
— Will Sommer (08:03) -
On Public Resonance:
“If you say, like, Trump cut a deal with the most notorious living sex trafficker in the country, in the world, maybe…I think that would break through with people.”
— Will Sommer (10:11)
Timestamps for Key Segments
- DOJ’s Inspector General review & leaks/cover-up ambiguity – 00:38–01:38
- Discussion of Trump files & potential withholding – 01:38–02:26
- Skepticism of Inspector General’s independence – 02:26–03:01
- Republican rhetorical tactics (“deep state”) & weaponizing files – 03:01–03:39
- DOJ’s defense and special treatment of Ghislaine Maxwell, Blanche’s role – 04:04–04:42
- Republicans considering Maxwell’s pardon & House committee context – 06:02–08:03
- Public salience, risk for GOP, and moving past Epstein – 08:49–10:09
- Senate confirmation & likelihood Blanche faces trouble – 10:09–11:02
Conclusion
JVL and Will Sommer paint a vivid, urgent picture of an administration seeking to bury the Epstein story before control shifts in Congress. Their discussion exposes how political expediency may trump transparency, the improprieties in Ghislaine Maxwell’s treatment, and the high-stakes debate over a possible pardon—all under mounting public scrutiny. As Will notes, the Epstein story is unlikely to fade, resonating in ways few other scandals can.