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Will
Hey, everybody, it's Will from the Bulwark. I don't know if you caught this, but last week, our vice president, J.D. vance, went to Germany and he lectured our European allies about democracy. Here's what he said.
J.D. Vance
For years, we've been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything from our Ukraine policy to, to digital censorship is billed as a defense of democracy. But when we see European courts canceling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we're holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard.
Will
Now, to start with, Vance completely distorted what actually happened in those countries. But that's not the most disgusting part of what he did. That's the most disgusting part is that Vance himself literally got his job by making it clear that he was willing to overturn election results. In fact, the entire Trump administration is now stocked with people who refuse to acknowledge that Donald Trump has ever lost an election. We, not France, not Germany, we, the United States, are the NATO country most firmly controlled by anti democratic election deniers like J.D. vance. What I want to do today is show you how close we are to losing our democracy. You might remember that four years ago, when Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election, people in critical positions in our government said no to him. What Trump has been doing since then, including just this week, is he's systematically replacing those people who said no with new people who will say yes. And today, I'm going to show you three crucial examples. The Vice President, the Attorney General, and the director of the FBI. Let's go back to January 6, 2021. At that time, the Vice President was Mike Pence. Trump wanted Pence to use his supervisory role in the counting of electoral votes to overturn that election. But Pence refused. And a year later, Pence reaffirmed that he would never do that. Watch.
Mike Pence
And I heard this week that President Trump said I had the right to overturn the election, but President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people and the American people alone. And frankly, there is no idea more un American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president.
Will
Pence also acknowledged that Trump was wrong about what happened in that election. Pence pointed out that it was not stolen.
Mike Pence
Despite what the former president and his allies have said for now, more than two and a half years and continue to insist to this very hour, the Georgia election was not stolen. My friend, Governor Brian Kemp said it well yesterday. He said for nearly three years. Anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward to provide evidence in a court of law regarding the Georgia elections.
Will
So when it came time for Trump to choose a running mate in 2024, he did not ask Mike Pence. Trump found a more attractive option, and that option was J.D. vance. Now, it might seem a little weird to you that Trump would choose as Vice President of the United States a guy whose entire government experience consisted of less than two years in the Senate. But Vance was attractive for one big reason. A year ago, Vance went on TV and and signaled that he would have done for Trump what Pence would not do.
Keshe Patel
Would you have certified the election results had you been vice president?
J.D. Vance
If I had been vice president, I would have told the states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors. And I think the US Congress should have fought over it from there. That is the legitimate way to deal with an election that a lot of folks, including me, think had a lot of problems in 2020. I think that's what we should have done.
Keshe Patel
So it's very clear you would have done what Donald Trump asked you to do there, not what Vice President Mike Pence did.
Will
So Trump picked Vance to be his new vice president, and Trump got exactly what he wanted. A running mate who would echo Trump's lie that he had actually won the 2020 election. Here's what Vance told the New York Times in October. Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
J.D. Vance
Let me ask you a question. Is it that big technology companies censored the Hunter Biden laptop story, which independent analysis have said cost Donald Trump millions of votes?
Pam Bondi
Senator Vance, I'm going to ask you again.
Will
Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
J.D. Vance
Did big technology companies censor a story that independent studies have suggested would have cost Trump millions of votes?
Will
And here's what Vance said four days later at a rally in North Carolina.
J.D. Vance
I think there are serious problems in 2020. So did Donald Trump lose the election? Not by the words that I would use.
Will
Okay, so Trump now has a fully compliant vice president. That was a major guardrail that saved our democracy four years ago. And just like that, it's gone. So what's the next guardrail Trump needed to remove? The answer is his Attorney general. In December of 2020, Trump pressured his then Attorney General, Bill Barr, to support Trump's lie that massive voter fraud had corrupted the election. But Barr wouldn't do it. Here's how Barr described those conversations in subsequent testimony to the House January 6th Committee.
Bill Barr
I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the was bullshit. And, you know, I didn't want to be a part of it. And that's one of the reasons that went into me deciding to leave when I did, I observed, I think it was on December 1st that, you know, how can we. You can't live in a world where. Where the incumbent administration stays in power based on its view, unsupported by specific evidence that the election. That there was fraud in the election.
Will
So Barr wouldn't play ball. But once again, an eager young politician stepped forward to signal that she would play ball. Pam Bondi, the former Attorney General of Florida, went to Pennsylvania after the 2020 election, and she stood with Eric Trump and Rudy Giuliani, and she claimed, falsely, that Trump had won that state.
Pam Bondi
Good evening, everyone. And as Eric Trump said, we are thrilled to have won Pennsylvania with 87% of the vote in.
Will
And then as Trump fell behind in the count, Bondi went on Fox News and said the election was corrupted by fake ballots.
Pam Bondi
We do have evidence of cheating, and I'll talk about that in a minute. The good residents who are all supporting us in Pennsylvania, their votes don't count by these fake ballots that are coming in late. And that observation, they're not letting us watch the process.
Will
Pam, did you just say fake ballots?
Pam Bondi
There could be. That's the problem. If they're letting.
Will
Do you know, Steve, do you have. Have you heard stories of, you know, ballots that are fake? And if so, just tell us what you know.
Pam Bondi
Well, we know that ballots have been dumped. There were ballots that were found earlier, early on.
Will
No, no. In fact, those stories about dumped ballots were false. Bondi never did produce evidence to support her allegations, but by talking about fake ballots, she proved she was a team player. So this time, when Trump did win the election, he picked Bondi to be his Attorney General. And again, he got what he wanted. Last month, at her confirmation hearing, Bondi refused again to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election.
Mike Pence
Are you prepared to say today, under.
Will
Oath, without reservation, that Donald Trump lost.
Mike Pence
The presidential contest to Joe Biden in 2020?
Pam Bondi
Ranking Member Durbin. President Biden is the President of the United States. He was duly sworn in, and he is the President of the United States. There was a peaceful transition of power. President Trump left office and was overwhelmingly elected in 2024.
Will
You heard it. She brags that Trump won in 2024, but she won't say he lost in 2020. Okay, so Trump now has a vice president who's willing to lie about election results and try to overturn the outcome. And he has an attorney general who won't admit that he lost an election and will accuse Democrats of cheating with fake ballots. So that's two guardrails of democracy gone. But just to be safe, Trump is getting rid of one more guardrail. The director of the FBI in 2020. The FBI director was, was Chris Wray. He was actually appointed by Trump in 2017 after Trump corruptly fired the previous FBI director. But during the 2020 election, Ray acknowledged that there was no sign of significant voter fraud. And after the election, here's what Ray said in response to this question from Senator Cory Booker.
J.D. Vance
And to be crystal clear on this, as FBI director, who is these would be federal crimes. You're aware of no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, correct? We are not aware of any widespread evidence of voter fraud, much less that would have affected the outcome in the presidential election.
Will
And Wray didn't just say he was unaware of widespread fraud. He explained that the FBI looked for fraud and couldn't find it.
J.D. Vance
As former Attorney General Barr and former Acting Attorney General Rosen have both said, we just, we looked, but we didn't see evidence of fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the presidential election.
Will
So when Trump won the 2024 election, he decided to get rid of Wray, which is already alarming because the FBI director is not supposed to be replaced when a new president comes in. The FBI director is supposed to serve an independent 10 year term. But Trump wanted a director who would help him lie about voter fraud. And he found just the right guy. Keshe Patel. Here's what Patel told Trump's followers a year and a half ago.
Keshe Patel
Donald Trump has every right to tell the world that he won the 2020 election. That is not an illegal position to take. He has every right to tell the world that the 2020 and 2016 and every other election in between was rigged by our government. Because they were.
Will
And then a few months later, Patel promised to go after the people he accused of rigging that election, including journalists.
Keshe Patel
They're the ones that lied to the American public over and over again to rig a presidential election. We will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government, but in the media. Yes, we're gonna come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections. We're gonna come after you, whether it's criminally or civilly. We'll figure that out, but.
Will
And then at his confirmation hearing a couple of weeks ago, Patel refused to back down from his allegation that Trump's loss in 2020 was rigged. Do you agree with him that the election Was stolen in 2020?
Keshe Patel
Senator, millions of Americans expressed concern, going back to multiple elections, over election integrity.
Will
You know, you're so skillful. You understand what I'm asking you? Can you say the words, Joe Biden won the 2020 election.
Keshe Patel
Joe Biden is the. Was the President of the United States.
Will
Today, Republicans in the Senate locked arms and confirmed that man to lead the FBI. So Trump now has in place a vice president, an attorney general, and an FBI director who support his lie that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. And that puts him in position to do what he tried to do four years, overturn the next election. And if Trump can't figure out a way to run for a third term, which would be unconstitutional, the person most likely to be the Republican presidential nominee in that election is J.D. vance. And guess who's going to preside over the counting of electoral votes? That's right, Vance. And if he needs an attorney general and an FBI director who will back him up by claiming that the election was fraudulent, he's already got those two people in place. That's how easy it is to end democracy in America. You just need to find the right people. See you next time.
Bulwark Takes: "Revenge Madman Kash Patel Confirmed As FBI Director"
Release Date: February 20, 2025
In this compelling episode of Bulwark Takes, hosted by Will from The Bulwark, the discussion centers around the alarming confirmation of Kash Patel as the new FBI Director. The episode delves deep into the implications this appointment has for the state of American democracy, highlighting a systematic erosion of democratic safeguards by the Trump administration. Through detailed analysis and impactful quotes from key figures, Will paints a concerning picture of the current political landscape.
The episode opens with Will referencing a recent trip by J.D. Vance, the Vice President, to Germany, where Vance criticized European democracies.
"For years, we've been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship is billed as a defense of democracy. But when we see European courts canceling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we're holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard."
Will counters Vance's assertions, arguing that Vance's statements distort the realities of European democracies. He emphasizes the hypocrisy in Vance's stance, pointing out that Vance himself was appointed to his position by advocating for overturning election results, a clear threat to democratic norms.
Will transitions to discuss the pivotal role of Vice President Mike Pence in upholding democratic integrity during the 2020 election.
"Despite what the former president and his allies have said for now, more than two and a half years and continue to insist to this very hour, the Georgia election was not stolen."
(03:20)
Pence firmly rejected President Trump's attempts to overturn the election results, reaffirming the legitimacy of the electoral process. In contrast, J.D. Vance, who succeeded Pence as Vice President, openly supported Trump's unfounded claims of election fraud.
"If I had been vice president, I would have told the states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors."
(04:35)
Vance's stance clearly aligns with Trump's agenda to challenge and potentially invalidate legitimate election outcomes, marking a significant shift from Pence's unwavering support for democratic processes.
The conversation shifts to the role of the Attorney General, highlighting the transition from Bill Barr to Pam Bondi.
"I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the was bullshit."
(06:39)
Barr resisted Trump's pressure to endorse claims of widespread voter fraud, ultimately leading to his departure. Enter Pam Bondi, who staunchly supports Trump's narrative of a rigged election.
"We do have evidence of cheating, and I'll talk about that in a minute... votes don't count by these fake ballots that are coming in late."
(07:58)
Despite lacking substantive evidence, Bondi perpetuates the myth of election fraud, positioning herself as a willing enforcer of Trump's unfounded allegations.
"President Biden is the President of the United States... President Trump left office and was overwhelmingly elected in 2024."
(09:16)
Bondi refuses to acknowledge Trump's loss in the 2020 election, further entrenching the narrative of electoral fraud within the highest levels of government.
The final pillar of democratic safeguards discussed is the position of the FBI Director.
"We are not aware of any widespread evidence of voter fraud, much less that would have affected the outcome in the presidential election."
(10:43)
Wray transparently communicated the FBI's findings, which found no substantial evidence of voter fraud in 2020. However, with Trump's 2024 victory, Wray is replaced by Kash Patel.
"Donald Trump has every right to tell the world that he won the 2020 election... Because they were [rigged]."
(12:05)
Patel enthusiastically endorses Trump's baseless claims of election rigging, signaling a complete overhaul of the FBI's stance on election integrity.
"Joe Biden is the... Was the President of the United States."
(13:10)
Despite clear evidence to the contrary, Patel refuses to acknowledge Biden's legitimate presidency, aligning entirely with Trump's agenda to delegitimize electoral outcomes.
Will synthesizes the implications of these appointments, warning of a future where democracy is undermined from within:
"That's how easy it is to end democracy in America. You just need to find the right people."
(13:31)
With the Vice President, Attorney General, and FBI Director all endorsing Trump's false claims of election fraud, the foundational safeguards of American democracy are perilously weakened. This alignment of key officials paves the way for attempts to overturn future elections, threatening the very essence of democratic governance.
Will projects potential future scenarios, highlighting the ease with which democracy can be dismantled when critical positions are held by individuals willing to violate democratic principles.
Will underscores the fragility of democratic institutions, emphasizing that the deliberate placement of compliant officials is a direct threat to the continuity and integrity of American democracy.
Conclusion
This episode of Bulwark Takes serves as a stark warning about the current trajectory of American politics. By systematically replacing key officials with individuals who support unfounded claims of election fraud, the Trump administration is positioning itself to dismantle essential democratic safeguards. Will’s in-depth analysis and incorporation of direct quotes provide a clear and urgent narrative on the potential erosion of democracy in the United States.