Podcast Summary: Bulwark Takes – "Ryan Garcia Already Regrets Voting for Trump (w/ Van Lathan)"

Episode Details:

• Title: Ryan Garcia Already Regrets Voting for Trump (w/ Van Lathan)
• Host: Tim Miller
• Guest: Van Lathan
• Release Date: June 18, 2025
• Podcast: Bulwark Takes by The Bulwark

Introduction

In this episode of Bulwark Takes, host Tim Miller engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Van Lathan, a prominent media personality known for his candid discussions on various social and political issues. The episode delves into the complexities of social movements, political activism, and recent developments involving influencer Ryan Garcia. The discussion is both insightful and candid, providing listeners with a nuanced perspective on contemporary American socio-political landscapes.

Discussion on Recent Protests and the Pro-Democracy Movement

Tim Miller initiates the conversation by reflecting on recent protests, comparing different demographics and their participation levels. He remarks on the varying nature of protests, particularly highlighting the participation of upper-middle-class white individuals versus the more vibrant and spirited protests in New Orleans.

“My critique was mostly actually of the pro-democracy movement that we got to bring more people in.”
— Tim Miller [02:22]

Van Lathan responds by emphasizing the unique challenges faced by Black Americans in protest movements. He discusses the inherent sense of danger that Black communities often perceive and how it affects their participation.

“There is a sense of prescience for danger that exists for black people. ... We have this sixth sense, or maybe this developed pro evolutionary trait to be able to see when something is particularly dangerous.”
— Van Lathan [03:50]

The dialogue further explores the fatigue within the Black community regarding continuous activism and the importance of allies supporting without overshadowing Black voices.

“I appreciate it. ... there's just a part of me reflexively... it's going to bother me anytime white people are speaking for black people.”
— Van Lathan [07:03]

Sociological Implications of Allyship and Representation

Tim Miller expresses discomfort with well-meaning allies speaking on behalf of marginalized communities, pointing out the pitfalls of such representation.

“There was something about that sentiment that just rubs me the wrong way... It's just like a little bit of a speaking for an entire other identity part of it.”
— Tim Miller [06:06]

Van Lathan elaborates on the delicate balance allies must maintain, advocating for meaningful support that amplifies rather than replaces the voices of those directly affected.

“Allies tend to speak with you and not for you. However, they weren't speaking to black people there. They were talking to you.”
— Van Lathan [07:26]

He further discusses the broader struggle for American justice, rooted in his personal experiences with socio-economic disparities, and underscores the universal need for fairness and equal protection under the law.

Ryan Garcia's Shift in Political Stance

The conversation takes a pivotal turn when Tim Miller introduces the topic of boxer Ryan Garcia, highlighting Garcia's recent change of heart regarding his previous support for Donald Trump. Miller reads Garcia's tweet expressing regret over supporting Trump due to his stance on ICE and immigration policies.

“I may have voted for Trump, but I can't stay silent about what's happening with ICE in LA...”
— Tim Miller [16:39]

Van Lathan critiques Garcia's political naiveté, suggesting that Garcia was swayed more by Trump’s "vibes" rather than a substantive understanding of the implications of his policies.

“Ryan Garcia is a fucking moron, I just gotta say that.”
— Van Lathan [16:46]

He further analyzes the pitfalls of supporters being attracted to charismatic leaders without scrutinizing their true agendas.

“Trump was a vibes candidate. ... Nothing is more fickle than vibes. ... if you vote on vibes, you're voting for fragility.”
— Van Lathan [18:00]

Van Lathan emphasizes the importance of informed political engagement over mere emotional or superficial support.

Hope and Rehabilitation within Combat Sports Personalities

Seeking a silver lining, Tim Miller inquires about the potential for influencing more personalities within the MMA and boxing communities to adopt progressive stances.

“Is there something here? ... Is this just a one-off thing with this Garcia?”
— Tim Miller [19:01]

Van Lathan responds with a blend of realism and cautious optimism, acknowledging the challenges while expressing a willingness to engage directly and assertively with individuals like Garcia.

“You're gonna have to talk straight to them. ... Ryan Garcia got played. He got used like an idiot.”
— Van Lathan [19:38]

He suggests that rehabilitation of such figures requires direct confrontation rather than passive approaches.

“What we need now from the MMA UFC is whoever is a non straight up Nazi.”
— Van Lathan [21:55]

The discussion touches on the broader strategy of recruiting and supporting combat sports figures who can align with progressive values and serve as influential voices for change.

Concluding Remarks and Future Directions

As the episode wraps up, Tim Miller encourages listeners to engage with Higher Learning, indicating upcoming content and signaling a continuation of these critical discussions in future episodes.

“Go recruit them. Van Lathan and everybody go check out Higher Learning. It is awesome.”
— Tim Miller [22:21]

The episode concludes with a final mention of ongoing efforts to address and overcome the challenges discussed, leaving listeners with a sense of ongoing struggle and the need for persistent advocacy.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Tim Miller [06:06]: “There was something about that sentiment that just rubs me the wrong way... It's just like a little bit of a speaking for an entire other identity part of it.”

• Van Lathan [07:03]: “Allies tend to speak with you and not for you. However, they weren't speaking to black people there. They were talking to you.”

• Van Lathan [16:46]: “Ryan Garcia is a fucking moron, I just gotta say that.”

• Van Lathan [18:00]: “Nothing is more fickle than vibes. ... if you vote on vibes, you're voting for fragility.”

• Van Lathan [21:55]: “What we need now from the MMA UFC is whoever is a non straight up Nazi.”

Insights and Conclusions

This episode of Bulwark Takes offers a deep dive into the intersection of political activism, representation, and the influence of public figures in shaping societal narratives. Tim Miller and Van Lathan provide a candid examination of the challenges faced by marginalized communities, the pitfalls of allyship, and the need for informed and intentional support systems. The discussion surrounding Ryan Garcia serves as a microcosm of the larger issues at play, highlighting how personal affiliations and superficial supports can lead to unintended consequences.

Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the importance of substance over superficial support in political activism and the critical role of accountability among public figures. The episode underscores the necessity for continuous engagement, education, and direct action to foster meaningful and lasting societal change.

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