Andrew Cuomo (2:55)

No.

Curtis Sliwa (2:56)

Does he live in New York City? No. He lives in Chappa, the whitest suburb of America where even the lawn jockeys are white. He may know Wall street, he may know hedge funds. He has been wrong every step of the way with the billionaires. So let's say people come to the conclusion if someone somehow I lose somehow. And we know Andrew Cuomo's lost, he's already tossed into town. Oh, it's because of you, Curtis. Because really, it's because of the Democrats. Wait a second. Who created Zohan Mondami? Who embraced him? Who nourished him? Who supported him? And how dare you, people who know nothing about politics suggest that everybody who's going to vote for me is suddenly going to be reborn. We love Andrew Cuomo. He killed all these elderly. He's a sexual harassment. He told conservatives and Republicans in 2014, if you're conservative and you believe in right to life and the second amendment, you have no place in New York. You need to leave. This is the result of the Democrats self destruction. So I'm supposed to help them? How come they don't help themselves? Andrew Cuomo failed everybody in that primary. He even admitted it. Now he's basically saying, I can't win without Slewa votes. Where are your votes? Why don't you spend your money? And they got millions from the billionaires. Millions go out, get your own votes, convert SLIWA voters. But for me to drop out.

Andrew Egger (4:27)

Andrew, I'm gonna level level with you. I've never been a Curtis Lewa fan before. Now I get it. That was, I think, the single best performance I've seen by any politician this cycle. I understand it's an off year, so aren't a ton of races, but what do you think?

Andrew Cuomo (4:50)

I don't know. Look, you guys have been covering all this New York mayoral stuff quite a bit. I have not, you know, reported on the race. I've been. I live in Virginia. You know, I'm not. I'm not like you up there in New York City. But I don't know, watching that clip, I discovered something about myself. And it is that as far as The New York mayoral race goes. I really am a single issue voter. I would be if I lived there. And that issue is who is going to just nuke Bill Ackman. Best from orbit. Man, that was just really good. That was really good. From top to bottom. I don't know. What do you want to do? Where should we start? With old courtesy.

Andrew Egger (5:24)

You know, what I love so much about this is that Sliwa goes after Amman. But. And he goes after Amman on all of the things. On like the corruption with the billionaire stuff, on how stupid he is about politics, on tennis.

Curtis Sliwa (5:40)

Come on, Amman, stay in your lane.

Andrew Egger (5:43)

The Bill Ackman test. So that's a deep cut. You have to really hate Bill Amman to have followed his aborted professional tennis career.

Andrew Cuomo (5:50)

There was one for the real Amman heads out there. Yeah.

Andrew Egger (5:52)

Which is something I have done. He got a little stage fright. He got a little stage fright. His. His nerves. He had butterflies in his tummy. Ben. Tummy flies. And. And then for him to go after Cuomo, pointing out the inconvenience. Like, when this guy was governor, he killed a lot of old people.

Curtis Sliwa (6:13)

We love Andrew Cuomo. He killed all these elderly.

Andrew Egger (6:19)

I mean, he doesn't. He doesn't attack Cuomo for any. He just asked Cuomo for like the most straightforward thing, which is like, dude, you were governor during the pandemic and you made nursing homes into abattoirs. I mean, that's. Holy shit.

Andrew Cuomo (6:33)

I have only ever kind of like tangentially followed him. And my kind of impression of him was that he was just one of these sort of strange figures that sort of hang around perennial candidate type guys who are always kind of running. And I always feel like these guys, they tend to have a few things in common. And one of the things that they have in common is like just a sort of strangeness to them that like, they don't translate necessarily super well to sort of like digital stuff. And when he like, leaned across the table to. To like, look straight into the camera and be like, first of all, Bill Ackman is a jerk.

Curtis Sliwa (7:00)

Well, number one, Ackman is a jerk.

Andrew Cuomo (7:04)

I was like, whoa, okay. I didn't know you had this speed, Curtis. And then my admiration continued to grow throughout the course of the clip. I will say one other thing about him, and I think it's. There's this weird thing now where like the fact that he is sort of like an older school Republican guy, he's like been around New York City for like a long time, right? He's like kind of been A fixture. And obviously, you know, Republicans aren't winning races in New York City, so he has never had the opportunity to, like, you know, do the Rudy Giuliani thing, which is kind of the kind of guy he wants to be. Is like, a law and order mayor in New York City. But, like, the fact that he has been around, like, he's. He so predates the Trump era. He has not gotten the memo that you're supposed to just sort of, like, fall in line with whatever kind of like the. The GOP consultant class take is on anything. And, like, one of the weird things about the current moment is, like, the GOP consultant class take and the MAGA take tend to be the same thing. Like, you have, like, a lot of MAGA influencers out there who are just, like, doing MAGA versions of the GOP consultants now. Like, here. Yeah. And so, like. And so here, he's kind of, like, it really highlights that. Right? Because, like, it's crazy that there is sort of, like, MAGA people out there who are like, you know, who we should really vote for, you know, who's, like, our last best hope for New York City is Andrew. Andrew Cuomo.

Andrew Egger (8:17)

Andrew Cuomo.

Andrew Cuomo (8:18)

It's just an amazing thing all around. So I appreciated the clip.

Andrew Egger (8:21)

Yeah. He so got to understand Curtis Lewa is like a Tom Wolf character come to life. Mean, for all I know, he is a Tom Wolf character, and he pops up somewhere in Bonfire of the Vanities the way like Chris Hitchens does, and he's, you know, he's a quintessentially New York kind of figure. He's a quintessentially Trump kind of figure in that, you know, he. He's not even so much law and order as much as vigilantism. Like, he wants Bernie Getz New York. You know, again, never thought much of the guy, but at least he says what's on his mind. And I thought that was.

Curtis Sliwa (8:57)

Oof.

Andrew Egger (8:59)

When Bill Ackman's getting roasted by Curtis Lewa. You know, we have a phrase for this in journalism, Andrew. Strange new respect.

Andrew Cuomo (9:07)

Yes, yes, I can feel that. I feel the strange new respect. You can totally see where he's coming from, too. I mean, like, where does Andrew Cuomo get off? He's running as an independent in the race, you know.

Andrew Egger (9:16)

Yeah.

Andrew Cuomo (9:16)

Sliwa won a primary. Mamdani won a primary against Andrew Cuomo. People might remember. And so it's like. I mean, the idea that, like, everybody just needs to, like, well, you know, Curtis Sliwa, he fought a good race. But. But now it's time to face the music.

Andrew Egger (9:30)

I can ask you one thing. Why do you think Cuomo is doing this? After he lost to Mumdani? He did. He dropped out.

Andrew Cuomo (9:37)

Right.

Andrew Egger (9:38)

And at first he teased with the, you know, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Right. Because he had said the whole campaign that he would be running in November no matter what. And then he lost, and then he dropped out. And then he came back in. Like, if you're Andrew Cuomo, what is the point of being back in? Like, I don't fully understand it because your career in electoral politics is over, I think. I just don't see how there's a. Another act for him. And so the only thing I can think of is, like, he comes back in to reposition himself on the side of maga, but he's tried not to do that, too. Like, he's done a weird. Instead of just embracing the Trump stuff, he's done a lot of like, well, you gotta elect me, otherwise Trump is gonna really just drop the hammer on New York City. And if I'm. If I'm the mayor, you know, like, he won't. He won't come in like a Kaiju.

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Andrew Cuomo (10:34)

But even that is, like, weirdly like maga. It's like a bank shot, like, MAGA sympathetic thing. Because he's like, donald Trump is not gonna, like, single me out for destruction. Like, he will single out. So Ron, if he's elected, which Trump has promised to do. Right. I mean, Trump has basically said he's going to put Zoran straight at the top of his list of Democrats to punish, you know, if and when he's elected mayor and go after, you know, more federal contracts to New York City.

Andrew Egger (11:00)

It's a totally normal thing for President United States to do to threaten citizens by saying he will come after their municipality if they do not elect the people he likes.

Andrew Cuomo (11:10)

Yeah, yeah. And also possibly be wrong with that. And a totally normal thing for just like, sort of soulless machine politician guys like Andrew Cuomo to just sort of like, take that under consideration. Like, these are. This is just the facts on the ground now. You got to do real politic about the fact of who's in the Oval Office. And, you know, maybe. Maybe you might be tempted to see that enemy of my enemy thing and feel some solidarity towards Zoran. But wouldn't it actually be nicer if Donald Trump had no cause to go after New York, which also, like, I mean, just, again, we're just like, so far through the looking Glass and all this stuff. Cuomo was a main Trump like foil and villain during COVID You know, like back, back the one time the sort of national Democratic Party had its weird brief flirtation with Andrew Cuomo, national political figure. I don't know, like maybe, maybe he's still just chasing the high of that. He's like, ah, you know, we had it right then during COVID and it all kind of fell apart after that with the nursing homes and the sexual harassment scandals and things like that. But I, it's just, we're just one turn of the screw away from, from getting back in there, from being back on top. And I feel like a lot of politicians that's as deeply as they think about this sort of thing. You know what I mean?

Andrew Egger (12:16)

Does Andrew Cuomo wind up in the Trump cabinet in 2027?

Andrew Cuomo (12:20)

Maybe the Trump cabinet of 2031 could happen.

Andrew Egger (12:25)

Let's leave it there. We'll have more, more awesomeness. Good luck, America.

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