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Sam Stein
Hey, everybody, it's me, Sam Stein, managing editor of the Bulwark. I'm joined by Will Saltin, and we're here to talk about how lawmakers, specifically some of the Republicans, are talking, spinning, explaining the war that we've launched in Iran. Well, it was kind of a tour de force for a few of them on the Sunday shows, but in particular, the one that stood out to me was Lindsey Graham, who, you know, the guy likes this stuff. Let's just be honest about it. He was on there and he had basically, I wouldn't call it contradictory rationales for what was going on here. I, what I would say is he didn't really have a good ration. I mean, he, he said, well, we're taking out bad guys. And then the natural follow up was, what does that mean? What's the end. End game? And there was really nothing. I mean, frankly, nothing. We'll play the clip in a second. But I, I guess I was a little bit taken aback at how open they are to the idea that there is no step two, Right. It's basically, there's no plan.
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Right. You know, I think it is, Sam, that Lindsey and these other interventionists, so they wanted to win the internal war against the isolationists within the Trump administration. And they're winning it, obviously, Venezuela and Iran like that. And they also want to not make the mistake that interventionists have made in the past or most recently. So they want to not replicate Iraq. Right? Iraq was, we have a plan, we're going to go in, we're going to take over, we're going to set things up. These guys are like, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. We're not going to make that mistake. We're just going to Go take it down. Go kill the ayatollah. Right, and degrade the government. And then, hey, we'll see what happens. So that's the plan. It is no plan.
Sam Stein
Yeah, it's. It's MacGruber.
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Sam Stein
We'll see what happens. Why don't we play the clip? Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press. These are not difficult questions he's asked. What is the plan? And he's got nothing.
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How will the United States make sure that the next Iranian government isn't worse than the current regime?
Lindsey Graham (clip)
It's not our job to pick the next Iranian government. I don't remember being attacked by Iraq anytime. You know, in the past, Iraq is complicated, but, you know, we, we have a relationship with Iraq. It's up to Iran to pick your leader. It's not my job. It's not President Trump's job. We're not going to occupy the country. We're going to give the people of Iran a chance to do something they've never had before, chart their own destiny.
Sam Stein
In one sense, like, I'm not going to say I agree with it, because I don't. But, like, it is it. I think it's important that the United States not go around the world choosing who should run countries. But in another sense, you know, are we just going to play whack a mole if we don't like the leader of the country that emerges? Are we just going to do this all over again? Do they not recognize how destabilizing this would be both for Iran and the region? Do they not see downsides to not having a post war strategy to follow? I mean, are we just going to do the Venezuela model where we basically take the next person up and say, okay, you're going to die unless you work with us? Like, there's so many secondary questions that I have based on what Lindsay just said.
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Yeah, yeah. So, Sam, what exactly? How. I don't understand how the Venezuela model applies here in Venezuela. As I understand it, we talked to Delsey Rodriguez beforehand. We're like, we're going to go in, we're going to take out your boss. Now, you can either work with us or not. And here's what we want from you. We want the oil. We want you to stop doing the fentanyl, whatever it is. We don't have that in Iran. As far as I know, if we had anything like that, these guys wouldn't be talking this way. They wouldn't be saying, hey, it's up to you, you know, so there is no Venezuela model. In Iran. Secondly, secondly, this thing about it's not our job, not my job, not Trump's job. Sam, how is this going to go over if this war, we go on for three, four weeks, I don't know how long we go and we get a replacement who is like, from the IRGC or whatever, they're still doing the terrorism. They're still building the missiles. We're going to say, hey, it's not our job. Like, how's that going to go over with the voters? Like, voters aren't going to. American voters are not going to be like, hey, I know you guys went in there, didn't work out. We have the same stuff we had before. We got dead servicemen. But hey, it's not your fault.
Sam Stein
I don't know. It doesn't really make much sense. I recognize what they're doing here to a degree. I mean, the reference to Iraq is actually very instructive that he had there where he was just basically like, look, we don't want to do that again. We're not going to occupy the country. We know that no one will be in favor of something like that. But then what? I mean, this is the. And he was absolutely rejecting the sort of Powell Doctrine of you break it, you own it. In fact, I think he explicitly rejected that at one point. Kristen Welker asks him, will the United States pick the next leader of Iran or will the Iranian people pick the next leader? And his response is no. I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition.
Lindsey Graham (clip)
I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition.
Sam Stein
So, I mean, what was that? That was a weird one.
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Sam Stein
I mean, are we giving the Saudis a veto here? What's going on, Sam?
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Okay, this is totally crazy. So let's go with your point about, look, they're right. The administration is right. Lindsey Graham is right to say we're not going to pick your leader. So the upshot of that should be the people of Iran pick the leader. Now, first of all, if that's your position, why the hell are you talking about the crown prince of Saudi Arabia? Why are you talking about, I mean, Graham could not stop talking in this interview about the Arabs. For people who are not familiar with the Middle east, the Arabs are not the Persians. The Persians are not the Arabs. The idea that the Persians are going to and people in Iran are going to be happy with, like, Arabs coming in and like, an Arab force like, that's insane. Absolutely nuts and right. He can't be that stupid. Can he.
Sam Stein
That's rhetorical. I mean, this is, to me, this is sort of like they've oversimplified. It's a game of risk. We're going to bomb here and then put people in here and we're not going to touch this. And suddenly it will work out and there'll be no problems whatsoever. It's absurd. I mean, the other, the other undercurrent of not just this interview, but basically every other interview today was why did we do this now? What, what was the issue that compelled you to do this now? And frankly, there was mixed messaging, to put it kindly on that front. So, for instance, Mike Turner, this is a direct quote. They, the Iranians had continued their intention to pursue nuclear enrichment. Their intention had not been abolished. They remained a threat.
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Rubio said they weren't enriching. They had continued their intention to pursue nuclear enrichment. They had said and declared that they were going to do that. Their programs had not been completely abolished and their intention had not been abolished. They remained a threat.
Sam Stein
So, George, just. The intention was itself a threat. But that's obviously not imminence, right? I mean, could it be an intention as imminence? No, couldn't be. And then there was Ted Cruz. Cruz. I was, I was a little bit surprised by how he got tripped up in the interview. Usually he's pretty good at this stuff, but he can't. He got really tripped up.
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I don't have present day intelligence on what progress they had made towards rebuilding nuclear weapons since we bombed their facilities. I have no indication that, that they were anywhere close to getting nuclear weapons because our bombing was devastating.
Sam Stein
Okay, so they're not close to getting nukes. He has no intelligence that they are close to getting nukes. They, we obliterated them a while ago. So what is the imminent threat?
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Yeah, they don't know. No, there, there is no imminent. I mean it for people who didn't. Nobody wants to watch all these shows. A series of these Republicans were on various shows today. None of them could answer this question. They used words like that one. Intention. Oh, it's their intention to build the weapons. People, if you are at the point where you are defining the intention to build dangerous weapons at some point in the future as an imminent threat, you have robbed the word imminent of any meaning. Right.
Sam Stein
It's meaningless.
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Yeah. So it means basically we can attack anybody because we can define any potential threat as imminent.
Sam Stein
Mark Warner, the vice chair, say, of the Intel Committee in the Senate, he said he was on cna. He said, I saw no intelligence said Iran was on the verge of launching any kind of preemptive strike against the United States of America.
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I saw no intelligence that Iran was on the verge of launching any kind of preemptive strike against the United States of America. None. None.
Sam Stein
So, I mean, I don't know. I was, I was unimpressed. The other thing I will say notable in its absence was there was not a single Trump official on the shows today. Not one. Unless you saw one.
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No, no. But I will say this, Graham and Tom Cotton was also on CNN talking about this. Graham Cotton, they're part of a group with Marco Rubio. These are the interventionists. They're the hawks in the administration. So they're kind of speaking for that wing I of the administration. I mean, Rubio actually is in the administration, but he was part of that circle. And they were up against the isolationists, the, you know, J.D. vance's and the Gabbards and the, you know, formerly the Marjorie Taylor Greens. And those people lost out. So there is the, the hawk wing of the Trump administration and the Senate Republicans won this fight and they were happy to go out and crow about it today.
Sam Stein
Yeah, but how long do you think? Well, we'll see. But. So three service members died, a number of others were injured. We don't know what the economic ripple effects are going to be like when the stock market opens on Monday, but doesn't look particularly good. We'll see. There's continued bombardment happening right now. Trump doesn't want a prolonged war. I don't think would be not in his nature. And he was quoted, we talked a little bit about this. Well, you know, do they have a Delsey Rodriguez for Iran? He was quoted in the Atlantic today saying that he's ready to talk with the next level of leadership in Iran who is still alive. I sense just from watching the guy that he's not going to want to get bogged down in anything like this. And that's probably why Graham's out there saying it's not our, not our job,
Lindsey Graham (clip)
not our job, it's not my job, not his job or my job.
Sam Stein
As you read it right now, what's your sense of how the president views this?
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I don't think he's figured this out. Look, I think the way Trump is operating is as long as these attacks on countries keep going well, he's going to keep attacking. So he, he did Venezuela, Venezuela worked out. So he's thinking, well, I'll try it, I'll do it in Iran. And that, remember, the hawks are constantly telling him to do this because they all have their agenda. Rubia wanted to take down Maduro. Graham wanted to take down the Ayatollah.
Sam Stein
Right.
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They're all getting what they want. They're. They're egging him along. He's going to keep going. And he thinks that the Venezuela model will mean that he'll succeed here, but he doesn't have. Remember, Venezuela was a day. Was. It was done in a day. Right. It was a surgical operation. There were no deaths. And we had our person in place in Delsey Rodriguez. None of that applies here. None of it. And so beyond this first day, as this wears on already, Sam, you can see in the polls, the polls are not good for, in terms of support for. For this action. So it's only going to get worse over the next several weeks.
Sam Stein
Well, we'll see. Well, thanks for doing this. I don't know why you torture yourself every Sunday watching these shows, but I genuinely appreciate it. It's a public service for those who are watching us talk about the shows we watched. I don't know why you're doing that either, but we appreciate that because they love us, Sam.
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They love us and we love them.
Sam Stein
I should. I shouldn't say that. I appreciate every bit of your viewership. Thank you so much for doing that. Well, take care, buddy. Everyone else, subscribe to the Bulwark, where you get great content like this. We really appreciate your support, like and favorite this stuff, too. Share it if you can. I'll talk to you soon.
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Date: March 1, 2026
Host: Sam Stein with Will Saltin
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Dissecting the Republican messaging — and mixed rationales — around the U.S.’s sudden war with Iran, including highlights from Sunday show performances by prominent interventionists like Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz. The hosts scrutinize the lack of articulated strategy, concerns over escalation, and the deeper implications of recent U.S. foreign policy actions.
In this episode, Sam Stein and Will Saltin analyze how Republican lawmakers are publicly making the case—or failing to make a coherent one—for the United States’ newly launched war against Iran. Through clips, quotes, and their own candid assessments, they deconstruct interviews from the Sunday political shows, focusing particularly on Lindsey Graham’s contradictory answers, the lack of any articulated endgame, and the use of “imminent threat” as pretext. The hosts also draw parallels to past interventions and debate whether anyone in the current Trump administration actually has a plan, or if Iran is being treated as the next move in a risky geopolitical game.
“He said, well, we're taking out bad guys…What does that mean? What's the end. End game? And there was really nothing. I mean, frankly, nothing.” – Sam Stein (01:16)
“…go take it down. Go kill the ayatollah. Right, and degrade the government. And then, hey, we'll see what happens. So that's the plan. It is no plan.” – Will Saltin (02:14)
“Yeah, it's. It's MacGruber.” (02:41)
“He was absolutely rejecting the sort of Powell Doctrine of 'you break it, you own it.'” – Sam (05:21)
“If that's your position, why the hell are you talking about the crown prince of Saudi Arabia...The Persians are not the Arabs. The idea...of an Arab force, like, that's insane.” – Will Saltin (06:20)
So What Was the Imminent Threat?
"The intention was itself a threat. But that's obviously not imminence, right?” – Sam (07:59)
“I have no indication that...they were anywhere close to getting nuclear weapons because our bombing was devastating.” – Ted Cruz (08:26)
“So they're not close to getting nukes. He has no intelligence that they are close...So what is the imminent threat?” (08:34)
“If you are at the point where you are defining the intention to build dangerous weapons...as an imminent threat, you have robbed the word imminent of any meaning.” (08:55)
No Supporting Intelligence:
"I saw no intelligence said Iran was on the verge of launching any kind of preemptive strike..." – Sam paraphrasing Warner (09:17)
“Three service members died, a number of others were injured. We don't know what the economic ripple effects are...but doesn't look particularly good.” (10:36)
“Already, Sam, you can see in the polls, the polls are not good...So it's only going to get worse over the next several weeks.” (12:07)
“It's MacGruber.” – Sam Stein (02:41)
“If you are at the point where you are defining the intention to build dangerous weapons...as an imminent threat, you have robbed the word imminent of any meaning.” – Will Saltin (08:55)
“The Persians are not the Arabs. The idea...of an Arab force, like, that's insane. Absolutely nuts and right. He can't be that stupid. Can he.” – Will Saltin (06:20)
“Trump doesn’t want a prolonged war. I don’t think would be not in his nature...He’s not going to want to get bogged down in anything like this.” – Sam Stein (11:04)
Candid, incisive, and at times incredulous, Sam Stein and Will Saltin deliver a well-informed but unsparing critique of the GOP’s messaging on Iran. Their discussion exposes confusion, lack of strategy, and concerning historical obliviousness among influential Republicans, painting a picture of reactive foreign policy with potentially dangerous consequences. The Bulwark’s brand of sharp, informed skepticism defines the episode, punctuated with humor and signature irreverence.