The Trio: RFK Jr.'s Podcast Guest Injected Stem Cells Into His WHAT?!

Summary

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Bulwark Takes: The Trio – "RFK Jr.'s Podcast Guest Injected Stem Cells Into His WHAT?!"

June 11, 2026 | Hosts: Sam Stein, Tim Miller, Will Sommer

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Overview

This episode of "Bulwark Takes" reunites the irreverent trio—Sam Stein, Tim Miller, and Will Sommer—for another rollicking spin through the latest outré political news and right-wing personalities. Known for body humor, NSFW asides, and surfer-level shade, the panel bounces from the FBI trolling journalists on Twitter to Neo-Nazi candidacies, internecine right-wing influencer battles, and, most memorably, an RFK Jr. podcast guest who famously injected stem cells into his penis.

Comedy and media criticism blend with real journalism as the team dissects everything from stem cell “penis maxing” to masculinity policing in MAGA-land and the cultic rise of a Pacific Northwest megachurch pastor.

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Key Discussions and Insights

1. Show Disclaimer & Tone Setting

[01:00–02:15]

• Tim Miller warns: “There will be body and sexual themes in the Trio video, as usual, and I will give personal sexualized thoughts... For some people, it’s a little jarring.”
• The trio debates the necessity for a unique jingle as a “signpost” for the podcast’s irreverent energy.

2. FBI vs. The Right—and Will Sommer

[03:51–08:52]

• Will recounts being publicly trolled by the FBI's Rapid Response Arm on Twitter after his reporting about intra-MAGA conflicts and FBI interventions.
  • Will: “Yeah, clickbait scum... I wrote in False Flag…about the FBI’s kind of wading into the MAGA civil war.” [04:28]
• Discussion on the normalization of government agencies meme’ing against critics; jokes about how much worse it could be under authoritarian scenarios.
  • Tim: “...If they’re not going to do [serious investigations], dunking on Will and failing on social media with Jim Carrey gifs…is superior.” [06:23]
• Will describes the mild domestic panic: “I was talking to my wife...I looked and I said, the FBI is mad at me, it would seem.” [07:02]

3. Neo-Nazi Mini-Candidacies and MAGA Mishaps

[08:55–12:17]

• Greg Bovino, former border patrol and mini-neo-Nazi, being floated as a possible 2028 GOP primary candidate, with an erratic operator (Jacob Engels) at his back.
• Engels’ recent meth-related arrest gets the deep-dive, with Will providing both narrative and color from the police report (including Engels’ creative insults at officers).
  • Will: “He’s...a Roger Stone protege...He got busted...police say he had meth on him...So even as he’s running the Bovino exploratory team...he’s facing a felony meth charge.” [10:05]
  • “He called the police or someone else ‘motherfucker queer’ and a ‘double-jointed pussy.’” [14:12]
• Tim on meth: “Methamphetamine...is not a high class narcotic…” [11:27]
• Will tells a “Jacob tried to James O’Keefe me” anecdote. [15:05]

4. MAGA Influencer Insults: ‘Your Husband Is Gay’

[17:48–21:01]

• Will reports on the latest right-wing online trend: conservative women accusing rivals’ husbands of being gay when they fail to meet hypermasculine standards.
• Example: “Alex Clark...a kind of Maha podcaster for Turning Point USA...She’s like a very influential figure...She’s engaged...as soon as I saw his face, I was like, it’s over for them because...he has a soy face as they say.” [19:00]
• Candace Owens’ subsequent ridicule of Clark’s fiancé, referencing his “effeminate” qualities and niche blog ("Running on Butter").
  • Candace: “...no person in their right mind would accuse of being masculine. A man named Vance Voteberg, who...calls his readers ‘buttercups,’ is a big Swifty...objectively effeminate.” [21:14]
• Vance Voteberg’s video response: “I won the national fiddle competition...Tonight I’m gonna do just that [pray for you].” [23:21]
• Tim: “If you’re talking about how men need to be masculine...you open yourself up to this kind of critique...these guys have created this culture...where you have to be a certain way or else you’re going to start calling each other the f slur.” [24:07]

5. RFK Jr. and the Stem Cell Penis Episode

[25:32–33:43]

• Will breaks down the headline story: On RFK's government-podcast, guest Ben Greenfield describes injecting stem cells into his penis for enhancement.
  • Sam: “He made headlines because he announced that he had extracted stem cells from his body fat and injected them directly into his penis to make it bigger.” [26:37]
  • “Vice reports: the procedure he insisted, worked like a charm. Within days...his erections were larger and harder and his orgasms were better...admitted that the orgasms might be a placebo effect...” [26:43]
• The crew lampoons the grab bag of pseudoscientific health fads discussed (red light therapy, cold plunges, PEMF, peptides, running barefoot, CMax for “verbal fluency,” “methylene blue” drinks, and more).
  • Tim: “The RFK thing is the weirdest part about all of this. His body looks inhuman. He can’t talk, his voice is horrible. His skin looks like a crocodile…” [28:52]
• Discussion turns to vibrating cock rings and their relevance to RFK’s guest’s therapies.
  • Tim: “...the same guy that RFK was hanging out with giving health advice...was also working on haptic stimulation of the testicles...to enhance arousal and blood flow.” [29:43]
• Sam’s deadpan: “Imagine waking up being like, I need to insert stem cells in my dick.” [31:06]
• Audio excerpt from Greenfield:
  • “The...stem cells into the dick. That...was an interesting one. But it did...I think from what I can tell looking in the mirror, it got bigger.” [33:00]
  • “Half inch.” “Like, maybe that much. Like, enough to tell. And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better.” [33:13]

6. MAGA Megachurch Pastor Russell Johnson: Cultic Charisma

[34:10–37:08]

• Discussion of a deeply reported Bulwark piece on the Pacific Northwest’s Russell Johnson, a millennial pastor making waves with a hybrid skater-boy/cult-leader image.
  • Tim: “I could see myself getting sucked into a cult by this guy, so to speak.” [35:24]
• Nicknamed by rivals as “Antifa Spurgeon”—“He’s a fiery young guy from Seattle who dresses like antifa but preaches like Spurgeon.” [36:40]
• Trio agrees Johnson represents a newer, more charismatic model for the religious right.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Miller: “Methamphetamine...is not a high class narcotic.” [11:27]
• Will Sommer (on FBI tweet): “The FBI is mad at me, it would seem.” [07:02]
• Sam Stein: “Imagine waking up being like, I need to insert stem cells in my dick.” [31:06]
• Tim Miller (RFK): “His skin looks like a crocodile’s. The epidermis does not look healthy.” [28:52]
• Candace Owens (via audio): “No person in their right mind would accuse of being masculine. A man named Vance Voteberg, who runs a health blog...calls his readers ‘buttercups’...” [21:14]
• Tim Miller: “...these guys have created this culture for themselves where you have to be a certain way or else you’re going to start calling each other the f slur. And it’s really pretty sad.” [24:07]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:00] – Viewer discretion disclaimer; discussion of podcast "tone"
• [03:51]–[08:52] – FBI’s public spat with Will Sommer over MAGA reporting
• [08:55]–[15:52] – Neo-Nazi mini-candidate Greg Bovino, Jacob Engels’ motel meth bust
• [17:48]–[24:44] – MAGA women & masculinity: “Your husband is gay” discourse
• [25:32]–[33:52] – RFK Jr., Ben Greenfield's stem cell penis injection saga, vibrating cock rings, "wellness" fads
• [34:10]–[37:08] – MAGA megachurch pastor Russell Johnson (the “Antifa Spurgeon”)

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Tone, Takeaways, and Final Thoughts

The Bulwark Trio continues to thrive in their unruly, sharp-tongued, deeply online mode: fast-moving, sometimes crude, but always grounded in actual reporting. This episode is a masterclass in dissecting the bizarre spectacle of right-wing media, influencer culture, and pseudo-scientific grifts—with groan-worthy but memorable humor. “RFK Jr.’s Podcast Guest Injected Stem Cells Into His WHAT?!” delivers both the laughs and genuine journalism, cementing why this trio’s chemistry works.

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Transcript

[Will Sommer]

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[Tim Miller]

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[Will Sommer]

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[Sam Stein]

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[Sam Stein]

All right, everyone, it's me, Sam Stein, managing at the Bulwark. I'm with Tim Miller and Will Sommer. The trio back in effect. Tim wanted to have a disclaimer up top.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, just a little programming note for people. There will be body and sexual themes in the Trio video, as usual, and I will give personal sexualized thoughts. Here's the thing. Sometimes I've just gotten some feedback from people who I think are very excited bull or consumers are consuming everything. And I get it. It's a little jarring. My guest in today's podcast is Ann Applebaum. It's like one minute you're with Ann Apple, you're talking autocracy, you're talking about what's happening in the Venezuela transfer of power. Then the next minute you're talking about gay three ways at a Turning Point USA event or whatever, meth addicts who are encouraging short Nazis to run for president. It's a dramatic change. And so for some people, it's a little jarring. And so just that is why we're working on a jingle for the trio. We're working on a jingle. And so when you hear the jingle, you'll know, am I up for this right now? Am I in the mood for an NC17 themed sitcom? Or do I want Ben Parker and Mark Hertling on command post discussing matters of war? And so that way it can kind of be A signpost for people.

[Sam Stein]

That's like a Pavlovian response when you hear that jingle. I guess if we're in the mode of doing sort of disclaimers and we're talking about people who might be uncomfortable with the content, I should reveal this was not a trio thing. It was with Will. I got some feedback about making fun of how fat the Neo Nazi proud boys were at the Delaney Hall. They're carrying cookies. And I made fun of their. Their rotund physiques.

[Tim Miller]

Christie was out there.

[Sam Stein]

No, but people were heavy. And I made fun of it. And not only did I get some negative feedback, my parents called me to admonish me about it. And they said it was wrong. Yes, they said it was wrong. And I said to them, well, look, these people are Neo Nazi ish. And they judge me by my looks. Can I judge them by their looks? And they said, no, don't. You shouldn't do that. They're. You're better than them. And I said, I'm not. And then they said, but you are. And we raised you that way.

[Tim Miller]

And so I just, well, I'm sorry, Mr. And doctor, you shouldn't be sorry. And these fat bodies that are out there trying to make us into a white nationalist country, trying to see their own dicks. No, there's no amends to be had. And they should get on GLP1s and expect and accept that we're in a pluralistic society. That's all. It's nothing against that if you're a good person. You know, again, I've said this before when I've gotten this feedback, I'm like, if I make fun of Stephen Miller for being a noodle orange pussy as a fellow noodle orangey, I don't take offense at that. I'm making. It's a specific attack on a specific person because they're a bad person. So I think if we attack a bad person for a trait that they have and you happen to share that trait, that's not an attack on you. Don't take it personal.

[Sam Stein]

I don't think I'm heavy set like those guys, but whatever. All right, we're going to be talking about Will's a variety of Will items, including the fact that the FBI may be on his trail. And Will, I don't know how you feel about this. When I saw this Tweet. So the FBI's Rapid Response Arm tweeted at will over a piece that he did about how the FBI is inserting itself into these MAGA civil wars. Which they are doing. So there you have it. So the tweet. There's the tweet, Will. When I saw it, I got a little anxious, and at first I was like, go get him, FBI. But then I was like, maybe I shouldn't encourage. Maybe I shouldn't encourage him. So, Will, how does it feel to be told by the FBI that you are just a clickbait paywall journalist?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, clickbait scum. I mean, this is a case where. You know, I wrote in false flag on Monday about this case where the FBI has kind of waded into the MAGA civil war. There's this woman named Elizabeth Lane from the post Soviet collapse. She's from Georgia, the Republic of Georgia, and she's kind of on Candace's side. And then she said, well, I'm using an FBI database to look up my enemies. And then someone said, at FBI, like, help. And the FBI said, we're looking into it. And so this was me saying, you know, they're kind of playing in getting into politics here. And they said, you know, well, we got to investigate our database or what. Have you even cash weighed in? Cash said, FBI strong. You know, and for me, I mean, I just said, like, I was like, well, it seems like if you're announcing it publicly before you have any charges, it seems a little political. And then they just shot back with a Jim Carrey GIF that said, like, are you gonna cry about it?

[Sam Stein]

Well, why don't you cry about it? Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Are you gonna cry about it?

[Will Sommer]

Well, I might. I mean, I do think. I was really like, oh, man, I can't get into a protracted back and forth with the FBI. And then when they just instantly went to the gif, I was like, all right, I guess I won. I think it's over.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. This is one of those things where it's like, on the one hand, you don't want the FBI really getting into your business just as a general rule of thumb. On the other hand, this has been one of the things, one of the areas where the administration has exceeded my expectations, which was I. I thought that Kash Patel was going to be really. It kind of really creating a lot of trouble for regime opponents and going through, you know, kind of like Bill Pulte had with mortgage documents. I was expecting cash to go through everybody's history. Any outstanding warrants? Did you forget to pay your parking tickets? You know, that kind of thing. Like, we're going to try to find things. We're going to take things out of context and make it seem like you're a criminal. You know, the types of thing you see in authoritarian countries. And Cash has just been unable to do that. And what he has been effective at is getting drunk and as well as doing these sort of kind of cheeky games where it's like, ooh, the FBI is going to dunk on you on social media. And it's like, that's. I guess that's where I'd rather the FBI be. Ideally, I'd like the FBA to be going after actual criminals, but short of that, if they're not going to do that, I think like dunking on Will or attempting to dunk on Will and failing on social media with Jim Carrey gifts. Like that is. That is superior to, like, you know, maybe some of the more pernicious things they could have been doing.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, it's all well and good until Will ends up locked. Locked up in prison.

[Will Sommer]

You know, I will say I did not love getting that notification on my phone. I was talking to my wife. We were like getting the kids out the door. And then I looked and I said, the FBI is mad at me, it would seem.

[Sam Stein]

And the fact that Cash responded himself, I mean, come on.

[Will Sommer]

Well, Cash, I. I think Cash maybe runs this account himself. This f. Rapid response, because as we got into. In this newsletter, this newsletter or excuse me, account will go like. It'll just post a video of Cash and they'll be like, America's director has done it again. And then he just responds like, emoji, flame emoji.

[Sam Stein]

He. If I actually did look at his challenge account, I forget. I forget it was the personal one or his professional one. But he's retweeting so much hockey stuff right now, like non stop hockey tweets. And it's just like, you gotta just do your job. Though I will say it's been a. It's been a nice week for Cash. He didn't come across too well. Just let me make my case. He didn't come across, like, too villainous and inconsequential in the Maggie Haberman Jonathan Swan expose. I mean, he was, like, mad, but it wasn't. But damn, bongino, like, I'm gonna rip up the White House furniture and he

[Tim Miller]

didn't make it to the situation Room. I'm not sure if it was because he was visiting the Honolulu field office or if he was too hungover or if he's watching his girlfriend's country music concert.

[Sam Stein]

Well, that brings me to my. That brings me to my second thing, which is this Is this came in through our tips line, which I appreciate all the people pointing this out. His girlfriend, the country music sensation Alexis Wilkins, did get a performance gig for a 250th anniversary party, an invitation only party. It just so happens that her performance is in Brussels, not in the United States, but she's going to be in Brussels. It appears on stage at their invitationally anniversary party. So congrats to her.

[Tim Miller]

Wow.

[Will Sommer]

It's amazing. I mean, it's the biggest stage in the world. The Brussels, the Brussels Embassy party.

[Tim Miller]

Was Carrie Underwood not available?

[Sam Stein]

Look, they're having trouble booking anybody, so I feel like there are more opportunities for it, but Brussels, it's not the worst place to go. Well, you have another story out today. A banger, a real banger, Greg Bovino, our little miniature neo Nazi, ex Border patrol official. He is a neo Nazi. He was, he was pound was in Portugal with actual neo Nazis. He's going to run, or at least he's open to running in 2028. He's been retweeting this website that just popped up in late May pushing him to be a candidate. He put out a statement saying all options are on the table. Obviously, I don't think he's gonna run. He's probably just doing this for some publicity sake. I, I would be surprised.

[Tim Miller]

He's, well, more of a serious candidate than Herman Cain. R.I.P.

[Sam Stein]

that's true. Well, there's one reason to suggest that it might not be a serious dalliance, which is that the person behind him is dealing with a motel incident in which he apparently got into a row with police officers, refused to leave, and was discovered with meth. So, Will, who is this guy?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, so this is a row or a row?

[Will Sommer]

A row. I always mispronounce it a row.

[Sam Stein]

That's the new word.

[Will Sommer]

This is a guy named Jacob Engels, a character I have dealt with for many years. He was Roger Stone protege, Laura Loomer buddy, Jacob Wohl buddy. But more recently, he has kind of fallen out with that world because he did not get a Trump World sort of affiliated patronage job. And so he's up in Wisconsin, apparently living out of at least one motel at some point. And basically he got busted. You know, according to police, they say he had meth on him. They say he had some pills on him. And so that's, that's where we're at. I mean, so even as he's running the Bovino exploratory team that Bovino has now endorsed, he's facing a felony meth charge.

[Tim Miller]

And you acquired the police report for this?

[Will Sommer]

I did. I did. You know, someone texted me a few weeks ago and said, jacob just got busted at a hotel with meth. And I said, what? And so I had it. And I was kind of thinking about it, and I was like, how do I want to use this? Whatever. Well, Jacob, I mean, how much is he around anymore? And then I. So he's kind of been issuing these sort of, I would say, erratic communiques. He's been appearing on shows like Stu Peters and saying Laura Loomer's transgender and all this kind of crazy stuff. And so I was like, well, how do I want to use this? And then obviously, the Bovino thing really took off, and I thought, oh, okay, this is relevant now.

[Tim Miller]

Huh? Well, so you've been sitting on this bombshell.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

For a couple weeks now. We got a good news like that Angles, Meth. Methamphetamine, I gotta tell you, is not. It's not a high class narcotic. You know, if you're getting into the meth space, you're not doing a lot of sleeping. Well, you don't have a lot of the. You don't have the resources.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, this was you. This was in the piece, Tim. Because Angles is upset that he's getting criticized for his meth use when there are others in the space. Clavicular. Who is using it in getting away with, like, adulation.

[Will Sommer]

Well, in fairness to clavicular, he does say. He said, well, why can't. Why can clavicular smoke meth and I get in trouble for it?

[Sam Stein]

In defense to Angles. He said that.

[Will Sommer]

Yes. Yeah. Well, and then, you know, in defense of angles, I mean, but also in defense of clavicular. I mean, you know, people talk about the meth a lot with clavicular. You know, that wasn't something that kind of just went away quickly.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, you're the motel. I mean, again, it's hard to compare him to clavicular. The world's leading looks Maxer, who is a partial club owner, who's kind of living the high life. You're getting tackled by cops at a motel with methamphetamine in your pocket. It's just, you know, context is meaningful in these sorts of situations when you're assessing them. I will say clavicular, just as an aside. I hate the rhinoplasty. I hate it. Yeah, he got a nose job. His nose is tiny now, and he's going. We're heading down a Michael Jackson trajectory.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, no.

[Tim Miller]

With clavicular right now.

[Sam Stein]

I've not seen a recent.

[Tim Miller]

I don't like it at all. I'm concerned about his mental health. He was very handsome before with a regular mid plus size nose, which is perfectly nice. And now he's got like a little tiny nose and it's concerning. I'm concerned, that's all.

[Will Sommer]

I'm with you, Tim. I'm hoping that the rhinoplasty will settle. I feel like sometimes these things look a little weird initially. But in his chats, people have been saying like, I think this guy named Dr. Miami did it. And they're like, you need to sue Dr. Miami. He busted your nose. And clavicular is like, no, my nose is fine.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. The pratfalls of looks maxing, you know, this is why you're trying to build a connection with an audience like we do, you know, based on candor, based on honesty, based on deep principle and a united mission. If you base it just on things on the surface, as you age, we all start to. Not Will, obviously, Will's kind of glow up. But most people, they start to.

[Sam Stein]

Clavicular is 24.

[Tim Miller]

He's already over the hill, I guess is what I'm saying.

[Sam Stein]

Based on the rhinoplasty, he's aged too fast. He's like. He'd barely be able to. Well, well, you were going to say something before.

[Will Sommer]

Oh, I was just going to say just to sort of finish the wrap up, set the scene for the Jacob Engels arrest. Since we were talking about like high class Matthews and you know, maybe other otherwise Matthews. So the. The cops were called. This was after Jacob had had a fight with his mom at the motel. And then he's refusing to leave. The next day he's kind of arguing with the receptionist. And they say Jacob used the following language. I think he called the police or someone else. Motherfucker queer. Okay, okay. And a double jointed pussy. And you know, and that is the kind of thing, you see it in the police report and you go, wow, this must have been quite a scene.

[Tim Miller]

What the fuck I might take. I might use that.

[Sam Stein]

It's not the worst. Maybe I'm revealing too much. And we could cut this out if you don't want to talk about it. But you said Jacob contacted you today to. You know, we got a couple small little factoids wrong. But he also. You said he loved the story.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, he's been very supportive of the story. He said he's happy to be like the right. The GOP is like tiger king or whatever with the meth connection. I mean, he's certainly a colorful character. If I could just One other Jacob story briefly. There was one time back when we were at the Daily Beast, Jacob wanted to meet up at Russia House, which is a bar, Russian themed. And I said, oh sure. And he shows up with this guy and this guy's really drunk and on the table. I can see it's the iPhone recording app. And he's saying things like, wouldn't you say the Daily Beast is always unfair to Republicans and stuff? And I was like, this guy's, this guy's trying to James o' Keefe me. And then the guy's like, oh, what? And then I. Jacob was like, oh, I hope he won't leave. I didn't know he was going to do that. And I said, the Vibe. The Vibe has been killed by this attempted project.

[Sam Stein]

So maybe not the smartest operative behind the Vino operation. Which leads me to think it might not go particularly far. But you never know. You never know. Corey Lewandowski ran Donald Trump's campaign. That worked.

[Tim Miller]

If you told me right now that you're from the future and either Greg Bevino or Nikki Haley are the Republican 2028 nominee, I would I'll put all my chips on Vivino.

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[Will Sommer]

Well, yeah, sure. So, so this is a, this is one about sort of like the folkways of the right wing media women. I mean, I think basically there's this example is this woman named Alex Clark who is a kind of Maha podcaster for Turning Point usa. She's like a very influential figure, but for a while. She's only 33. But people have said, well, if you're so trad. If you're so. If you want to like run in fields of grain with your kids or whatever, why aren't you married and why don't you have a kid? And she said, you know, this has been something she's grappled with. And so then she gave a speech at this convention and she said, you know, this is about your season of singleness and you know, don't feel abandoned by God, you know, when you're as old as me, 33. And then she said, but guess what, it's all changed because I'm engaged now. And she brings out her boyfriend or her now fiance. And now the thing is with all these, whenever one of these right wing media women unveils their, their husband or fiance, it's like the standards, they, if it's not like a SEAL Team six guy, everyone's like, this guy is gay. You know, I mean, he looks like a normal straight guy. And so now this became a big controversy.

[Tim Miller]

Normal, you say? Well, normal.

[Will Sommer]

Well, maybe not normal. Let me, let me qualify that.

[Sam Stein]

We put up the picture. He looks kind of nerdy.

[Will Sommer]

As soon as I saw his face, I was like, it's over for them because he's, he's giving, he, he has a soy face as they say. You know, he's like a guy, he doesn't look like a, like a huge hulking man.

[Tim Miller]

The Rock is pretty impressive though. So it's unlike the past scandals we discussed.

[Will Sommer]

I saw some people saying, saying that he, he, you know, Alex Clark could learn from others mistakes about posting a small engagement ring.

[Tim Miller]

Yes, he looks a little straighter in the other pictures. I feel like our photo editor chose the gayest one to put in the Newsletter. And I'm more. Do we have a homophobic photo editor? Was that intentional?

[Sam Stein]

Will chose the photo.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, Will, I see what you're doing.

[Will Sommer]

That was the one Alice Clark put out, I think. I think that was the one they promoted. So then people like Candace, who obviously, because this woman works for Turning Point, she's Candace's enemy, they start going through and they find things like this clip of this guy as a barista, and he claims it was a skit.

[Sam Stein]

Understand that what we do here is oftentimes people come, they don't understand, so

[Will Sommer]

he comes off with, like, a very effeminate way. And then they also have this mashup of Alex Clark saying, like, we need to return to masculinity. We need real meatheads to save America. And then they kind of compare that to her. Her fiance, who's a champion fiddle player, not the most masculine of instru and all these other things.

[Tim Miller]

So this new guy. I want to get to Candace's husband in a second, but this new guy, I guess I'm just visiting his sub stack titled Running on Butter.

[Sam Stein]

Is that really the sub stack?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, it's like a wellness thing about running on Butter.

[Tim Miller]

The sub thing is that it's holistic health for gym bros and grandmas maybe trying a little hard. There's a little bit of a Benny Johnson flavor to this. And then this picture is Running on butter with two American flags in 1776.

[Sam Stein]

Should we play the Candace video at this point? Because there's some good video of her talking about this. Let's play it.

[Will Sommer]

We need more masculine men.

[Sam Stein]

So yesterday, the Internet rightfully enjoyed themselves

[Will Sommer]

when they learned that she was engaged to a man seven years her junior who no person in their right mind would accuse of being masculine. A man named Vance Voteberg, who runs

[Sam Stein]

a health blog where he refers to

[Will Sommer]

the readers of his blog as his fellow buttercups, and he consistently drops references to Taylor Swift songs. He's a big swifty, and he is, without question, objectively effeminate. Take a listen.

[Sam Stein]

Hello, I'm Vance Filberg, and I was the instructor of the beginning fiddle class.

[Will Sommer]

So I'm gonna play you some. I do think he's, like, 15 in that video.

[Sam Stein]

It's called Tennessee Walks. People don't understand that what we do here is.

[Tim Miller]

I mean. Okay, so I just want to start by saying that everyone should be free to be themselves. You know, be unapologetically themselves. And if this man likes vagina and fiddling and butter, that's an appropriate combination of interests. On the other hand, if you're going out there and talking about how men need to be masculine and men need to be men all the time, you do open yourself up to this kind of critique. So you don't ever want to hand it to Candace, who is just a rancid. You know what? Just an unbelievably rancid human. And it's sick. And so it almost makes me a little upset that they made it, that you've engaged in this kind of public discourse, that you've allowed Candace to hammer you at this. It feels like a mistake on behalf of Alex Clark. And you don't have to do this from the start. You didn't have to be engaging in masculinity discourse. A man is a man. It doesn't matter exactly what their interests are.

[Sam Stein]

I know plenty of dudes who love fiddling and butter.

[Tim Miller]

Really?

[Sam Stein]

No, I don't. Vance Vodberg responded with a video of his own. Let's play that.

[Tim Miller]

Oh, hey, Candace, it's Vance Voter.

[Sam Stein]

Tonight I received some really kind, thoughtful messages from your equally kind and thoughtful followers. You guys found some cool old videos of me playing the fiddle. I think that year, the video you posted, I won the national fiddle competition. I was pretty good, but you can find that on the Internet. You can fact check me.

[Tim Miller]

You also found some videos of me

[Sam Stein]

doing some coffee shop skits. That was a coffee shop I grew up working at.

[Tim Miller]

I just wanted to let you know

[Sam Stein]

that it was today that I walked into work and I was talking sincerely with a colleague about how we need to be praying for you. And so tonight I'm gonna do just that.

[Will Sommer]

Tim didn't think that was a good rejoinder.

[Tim Miller]

I didn't. You gotta throw fucking hard, you know, you gotta throw hands back at her. The fake voice, the whole thing makes me sad. I have no idea. Like, this could very well just be a straight man that had kind of a high voice around puberty and also an interest in fiddling. That's allowed and appropriate. But it's like these guys have created this culture for themselves where you have to be a certain way or else you're going to start calling each other the f Slur. And it's really pretty sad. Honestly, I feel bad for Vance Voltberg. And also, I think Candace got the best of them, unfortunately.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, I have to say so. Unfortunately. Got to hand it to her.

[Tim Miller]

You don't have to hand it to her, but you can effectively analyze.

[Will Sommer]

Can you imagine, you know, this guy's out running errands or whatever. And his fiance's like, you need to film a video right now. And better have the deepest voice because Candace is chewing us up out here.

[Sam Stein]

Don't mention the fiddling. Don't mention. Oh, you mentioned the fiddling, actually. Feeling's fine, buttercups.

[Will Sommer]

Watching his videos, I was like, should I get into fiddling? Like. Like, it looks like just like. Like a little hoedown.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, man.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, historically, like, there was a fiddle off with the devil.

[Will Sommer]

Yes.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

You know, I mean, historically, fiddling has been a masculine pursuit.

[Sam Stein]

Charlie Daniels, fiddle and shit like that. Yeah, yeah, people fiddle. Fiddling is not gay. Fiddling's cool. Not that it's wrong to be gay.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, not a lot of it was gay.

[Will Sommer]

Wow.

[Sam Stein]

Why am I talking? All right, moving on. This one, actually, I really love this one. So RFK Jr. People don't really appreciate that. RFK Jr. In addition to really destroying our health bureaucracy in a myriad ways, is also podcasting. And he has put about, like five or six of these podcasts at the studio, which appears to be at hhs. They retrofitted this thing. It's ridiculous. It's super nice podcast studio. And he brings on exactly the type of people that you would imagine, like real, you know, earthy healthcare gurus who talk about microplastics and the need for, like, the pharmaceutical industry is horrible. Like, you know, devilish behaviors and addiction and all that stuff. Anyways, his most recent guest was this guy who is. Goes by the name Ben Greenfield, and he is most famous for regenerative health. And specifically in 2018, he made headlines because he announced that he had extracted stem cells from his body fat and injected them. Injected them directly into his penis to make it bigger. I'm recording that.

[Tim Miller]

Gay, do you think or.

[Sam Stein]

Where did you put that? He was penis maxing, Vice reports. The procedure he insisted, worked like a charm. Within days, he claimed the his erections were larger and harder and his orgasms were better. He did admit that the orgasms might be a placebo effect, and he hadn't actually measured his ostensible growth. Still, he insisted stem cel had proven an effective means of male enhancement. He and RFK did not talk about stem cell injections into the dick, but they did talk about a host of insane stuff. And, I mean, I couldn't follow this stuff. You guys might know more about this. Tim, I. I suspect you do. I took notes. I watched all 40 minutes. Red light therapy, including weather can treat baldness. PEMF therapy. Have you ever heard of that one? I hadn't I don't know. Working out in non air conditioned locations to benefit your body. How long you should be in cold plunges if at all, being outside barefoot and swimming in the ocean and how that helps you peptides BPC157 and TB500 and injecting them into joints that hurt. Being anxious and doing a high stress workday during a high stress workday and quote using something like intranasal C link as an anxiolytic C max. Don't know what that is. For helping with verbal the intranasal verbal

[Tim Miller]

ceiling is pretty is pretty important for living a healthy lifestyle. I'm surprised you're not doing that.

[Sam Stein]

I'm not. Cmax for helping with verbal fluency Light sound simulation and haptic stimulation. He talked about a gravity chair lined with vibrational nodes and he had a five minute discourse as I said on cold plunges at the end he talked about longevity for about five minutes and he had this to say about maybe why this whole thing about trying to live as long as humanly possible is not exactly as great as it is made to seem.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, Lord of the Rings, right? Gollum lived a long time. Lived a really long time. Wasn't necessarily the the happiest, most fulfilled character in that book, but he had the the longevity game nailed down pretty good.

[Will Sommer]

You know, it is funny to be saying that. And then cut to RFK Jr who looks insane and he's like, yeah, of course, the pursuit of weird health. I wouldn't want to do that.

[Tim Miller]

The RFK thing is the weirdest part about all of this. His body looks inhuman. He can't talk, his voice is horrible. Like he has these straight. His skin looks like a crocodile's skin. The epidermis does not look healthy. And it's so weird that this has been his specialty, that people are like, this is the person I'm going to turn to for alternate therapies. And it'd be one thing if Mitt Romney was really into this. You look at Mitt Romney and they're like, bro, you look like you're 52 and you're 76. You look like a normal guy. He hasn't done any of this. All he does is just drink milk and get a good night's sleep. And then you have rfk who looks like an alien creature. And he's the one that's like, I should really try the haptic stimulation. I should mention on the haptic stimulation, it ties us to a topic from the last trio, which is haptic stimulation is just kind of a fancy way of talking about the vibrating cock ring again. So we should bring that back up because I received from our friends at Firm Tech, a sample of the ring that the Iowa candidate is invested in.

[Sam Stein]

Wait, hold on. Did you reach out to them or did they reach out to me?

[Tim Miller]

They reached out to me. They saw it via an intermediary. Yes.

[Sam Stein]

And they gave you a sample cock ring?

[Tim Miller]

They've given me a sample vibrating cock ring. I've not used it yet. I received it on Monday and then immediately flew to my dad's retirement party. I just got here.

[Sam Stein]

You didn't wear it on the plane?

[Tim Miller]

Didn't wear it on the plane, But I've got it here. It happens to be Pride in New Orleans this weekend, so we'll see if it gets a test drive or not. But I just want to point out that, yeah, the same guy that RFK was hanging out with giving health advice to people who injected stem cells into his penis, was also working on haptic stimulation of the testicles, which is using specialized devices to enhance arousal and blood flow or to support sperm and ejaculatory production. I mean, bro, like, must have been having some real bad ejaculations. I mean, he's, like, gone through multiple different strategies for improving his ejaculations, and his baseline could not have been good, I guess.

[Sam Stein]

Imagine waking up being like, I need to insert stem cells in my dick.

[Will Sommer]

That's. Yeah. It's like, I need to take drastic measures.

[Sam Stein]

I'm so upset with my ejaculation, I need to actually put stem cells in my dick.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. East him.

[Sam Stein]

I don't know. There's something serious about this, obviously, which is that our health secretary is sitting down with this guy, talking about these insane therapies as if, like, the common man's like, oh, yeah, you know what? I gotta get my hands on that BPC157 and the TB500, and, you know, maybe I'll CMax for my verbal fluency. What the fuck are we. How about just saying, get the flu shot?

[Tim Miller]

It's all ball bearings these days. It's small ball bearings.

[Will Sommer]

The other thing I would point out is RFK and this guy have another thing in common, which is they both love methylene blue. Now, methylene blue is a chemical, and you put it in your water, and it turns the water blue, and you drink it. And we know RFK has been photographed drinking methylene blue. This guy's a big methylene blue guy. So, you know. Does it have any health benefits? No. Can you get Lead poisoning from it? Potentially, yes. But, you know, depending on where you're getting it from. But. But. But, you know, they have a lot in common, I guess.

[Sam Stein]

Does it turn you blue? Like.

[Will Sommer]

No, I blew myself. Like, not like, colloidal silver. Colloidal silver is what turns.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, that's. That's the one that turns. I just. I just find this whole thing very creepy that you're going to do all these weird therapies. Therapies. To your body. And even he. Even the guy on the. The show, Greenfield, was like, rfk, occasionally. RK mostly listens there, and he's like, ah, okay. And then. But occasionally, like, is there evidence for it? And the guy's like, well, no, but I feel it. And it's like. It just doesn't make much sense to me. Okay, well, should. We want. Oh, there is an actual video of this guy talking about stem cells and dick.

[Will Sommer]

It's a good video. We should watch it.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, let's watch it.

[Will Sommer]

The.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, the. The stem cells into the dick. That. That was an interesting one. But it did. I think from what I can tell looking in the mirror, it got bigger.

[Sam Stein]

Half inch.

[Tim Miller]

Like, maybe that much. Like, enough to tell. And my erections got bigger and my orgasms got a lot better.

[Sam Stein]

For how long?

[Tim Miller]

They. They're still like that.

[Will Sommer]

Still.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

So it fits.

[Tim Miller]

So I think the stem cells kind of, like, stick with you.

[Will Sommer]

Rogan's into it. He says, oh, great. I think I'll be doing that.

[Tim Miller]

And did you see what he did with his fingers when they said how much longer? He was like, who cares if your dick is this much longer? One thing. We'll talk about it. If you're like, we're getting a Coke can down there after the stem cell injection. But, like, don't put a needle. If a needle's going in my dick, I need the benefits to be significantly greater than that.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, I would agree. I just can't believe someone at HHS was like, that's the guy I want to put on the pod. That's my guy. All right, moving on to other topics.

[Tim Miller]

I'm going to be on the Katie Turr show pretty soon. We're going to be discussing matters of state, but I got a little more time.

[Sam Stein]

Okay. You wanted to talk about this guy, because I think it gets your cock ring buzzing. The millennial pastor that we wrote about out in the Northwest, this guy Russell Johnson, who is like, the new hot thing in MAGA religious circles. We have a big piece on it. People should check it out on the Website and it's going to be pushed out, I think on Saturday morning on the email. But yeah, I mean, there's some interesting stuff to take away from the piece. Mostly about, like, the fusion of politics and church and, you know, questions about what this guy actually really is. Like a serious religious person or he's just kind of faking until he makes it. But Tim had a different takeaway.

[Tim Miller]

Well, I didn't know anything about him. And so I always like it when my own outlet can do research into an important thing that's happening in the right wing ecosystem that was outside of my field of vision because I do my best to stay relevant. But it's complex. There are layers out there. It's like an onion. Will knows about this. It's hard to kind of just encapsulate the whole universe. And so I knew nothing. I started reading and then I got to a picture and I was like, I get it.

[Sam Stein]

You get it?

[Tim Miller]

That's all I get.

[Will Sommer]

Like Machine Gun Kelly or something. He's like a little bit.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, he's a little.

[Sam Stein]

It's his aesthetic. That's what they say. He's got this kind of skateboarder aesthetic. He wears hoodies and stuff. Has a mullet.

[Tim Miller]

It's just like a lot of times when I see cult leaders, I'm just like, what? Like Doug Wilson, formerly known as Pastor Doug. You know, he's like an ugly, fat body and he's like, very annoying. And I'm just like, how could you get like, why is the Secretary of war and this man's cult like that? You know? And then sometimes you see a cult leader and you're like, ah, I get it. Charismatic, handsome. Yeah, you know, different world. I could, you know, if I wasn't so mentally strong, I could see myself getting sucked into a cult by this guy, so to speak.

[Sam Stein]

I guess that's fair. I don't know if I would get sucked into it. But he does. He's definitely, definitely different aesthetic. Okay, you gotta go. You got some TV to do.

[Tim Miller]

Will, you don't have any other fun facts for me about the pastor? I was hoping you're going to drop a fun fact.

[Will Sommer]

They called him like the antifa pastor.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, well, they. That's the. They say that ironically.

[Will Sommer]

Well, they think they feel that he looks antifa because he.

[Sam Stein]

Antifa Spurgeon. Antifa Spurgeon. That's what they say. And that's because.

[Tim Miller]

No wonder I'm into it. We're the capitalist wing of antifa.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, they. They say he's Like Charles Spurgeon, the 19th century Baptist preacher in England became famous for his charismatic oratory. And the antifa part comes from Johnson's fashion sense, not his ideology. And the slightly nonsensical nickname that brought those two elements together was inspired by slain mag activist and TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. Kirk was a big fan of this guy. Apparently. He said he's a fiery young guy from Seattle who dresses like antifa but preaches like Spurgeon. So that's where he gets his name.

[Tim Miller]

I mean, if you told me we're five years in the future and this guy is leading the big America fest moments, that seems more likely to me than Erica.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, I agree with that. Okay, fellas, another good one in the books. Can't wait for us to get our jingle.

[Tim Miller]

Jingle's coming. I mean, I don't want people to get too excited. The creative process is real. We want to make sure we're not using AI. It's a real human, real jingle. And yeah, I don't want to out him yet because you want the process to go through, but I'm sure that we're going to have one and I think that people will be happy about it.

[Sam Stein]

Trust the process. All right, Tim will. Thanks a bunch everyone who watched. Thanks a bunch. Subscribe to the feed. Bye.

[Will Sommer]

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[Tim Miller]

about your pet, but I just wire stuff.

[Will Sommer]

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[Sam Stein]

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[Tim Miller]

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[Will Sommer]

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