This Democrat Smells Blood in Deep Red Florida (w/ Bale Dalton)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bulwark Takes — "This Democrat Smells Blood in Deep Red Florida" (w/ Bail Dalton)

Date: May 1, 2026
Host: Tim Miller
Guest: Bail Dalton (Democratic candidate for Congress, Navy veteran, former NASA Chief of Staff)

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Bulwark Takes, Tim Miller sits down with Bail Dalton, a Democrat running for Congress in Florida’s 7th district against incumbent Republican Corey Mills. The conversation delves into the shifting political landscape in Florida, Dalton's service-driven background, his opponent's controversies, and challenges facing constituents—from cost of living to partisan rancor. Dalton makes the case that, despite Florida’s deep-red reputation, there’s a burgeoning opportunity for Democrats in districts once considered unwinnable.

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Key Points & Insights

1. Introducing Bail Dalton: Service-Driven Candidacy

[01:17–03:51]

• Dalton’s background:
  • 23-year Navy and Navy Reserve veteran.
  • Helicopter pilot with deployments in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa, and the Pacific.
  • Former staff for Senator Bill Nelson, focusing on national defense and veterans’ issues.
  • Led NASA as Deputy Chief of Staff and Chief of Staff, overseeing more than 16,000 personnel.
• Motivation to run:
  • Driven by witnessing representation that’s self-interested and disconnected from constituent needs.
  • Seeks to “give Central Floridians the option” for effective, engaged congressional representation.

2. Foreign Policy: Critiquing the Current Approach

[03:51–05:50]

• U.S. military actions:
  • Dalton expresses frustration and “absolute fury” over U.S. service members being placed in harm’s way with no clear strategic direction.
  • Cites lack of communication from leadership about the mission’s end state—“we’ve led ourselves into a war with no discernible end.”
  • Raises concern for military families left with unanswered questions about their loved ones' safety.

“We’ve led ourselves into a war with no discernible end and put our service members in harm’s way.”
—Bail Dalton [05:30]

3. Leadership Models: The Type of Democrat Dalton Aspires to Be

[07:15–09:37]

• Positive role models:
  • Former boss Senator Bill Nelson, for “constituent services and making sure people are actually getting somebody that cares.”
  • Praises veterans in Congress: Jason Crow, Pat Ryan, Chris Deluzio—public servants with real-life experience holding government accountable.
• Federal government’s defense responsibility:
  • Dalton stresses responsible and collaborative approaches to defense—not “going it alone” at huge cost.

“We see some veterans in Congress right now who are trying to, you know, hold our government as a whole accountable...”
—Bail Dalton [08:07]

4. The District: Florida’s 7th

[10:02–12:27]

• District geography:
  • Northeastern edge near Orlando, stretches up I-4 to the coast (Daytona area), includes health, aerospace, and service workers.
  • Noted both major parties have represented it before; post-redistricting, it remains an R+5 seat unchanged by current legislative wrangling.
• On redistricting:
  • Dalton critiques political manipulation of districts, citing Florida’s 2010 constitutional amendment against partisan gerrymandering.
  • “Our system is not for politicians to pick their districts. Our system is for people to vote who they think will best represent their area.” [11:42]

5. Opponent Profile: Corey Mills

[12:27–15:21]

• Controversies and criticisms:
  • Mills subject to a restraining order over alleged cyberstalking, blackmail, and attempted revenge porn.
  • Recent press on domestic violence in D.C., related to an extramarital relationship.
  • Major conflict of interest: Mills is a foreign arms dealer, refuses disclosure of clients, but sits on the House Armed Services Committee.
  • Accused of exaggerating or misrepresenting military service.

“At some point, you got to give it up, and you don’t want that point to be when a judge tells you you’re a danger to a woman.”
—Bail Dalton [13:49]

“He’s a foreign arms dealer that has refused to disclose what countries he sells weapons to, while sitting on the High Armed Services Committee… an incredible conflict of interest.”
—Bail Dalton [14:05]

6. On the Ground: Constituents' Real Challenges

[15:46–17:53]

• Key concerns:
  • Cost of living crisis dominates; people can no longer “think aspirationally.”
  • Small business owners squeezed by tariffs and health insurance costs.
  • ACA subsidy expirations threaten healthcare access for tens of thousands in the district.
  • A pervasive sense that government is failing, and the economy is worsening despite promises.

“People are unable to even think aspirationally anymore... they’re making crisis decisions at the kitchen table about how they’re going to put food on the table.”
—Bail Dalton [16:14]

“We were promised an economy that would be getting better; it’s getting worse. We were promised a government that would be working more efficiently; it’s getting worse.”
—Bail Dalton [17:42]

7. What Went Wrong for Democrats in Florida—and How to Fix It

[17:53–20:46]

• Why Democrats lost ground:
  • “Ugly” partisanship and leaders who only care about retaining power.
  • Divisive tactics have “pitted communities in Florida against each other.”
  • Many citizens are tired of being told to hate their neighbors.
• Dalton’s pitch:
  • Emphasizes local roots and bipartisan support as evidence for possibility of change.
  • Argues for returning to public service over party politics—“public service is a public trust.”
  • Predicts a “groundswell” of backlash from Republicans, Democrats, and Independents who are tired of being manipulated.

“I think where we are in Florida today is we've watched things sort of happen surreptitiously over time... people are now awakened to the fact that their rights and their representation have been taken away from them slowly.”
—Bail Dalton [19:50]

8. Closing Thoughts: Hope for Change

[20:46–22:01]

• Skepticism and hope:
  • Tim Miller is “a little skeptical… maybe some people like the hate fire.”
  • Dalton acknowledges negativity and “keyboard warriors,” but insists that public appetite for division is overstated; most want government to work and community to heal.
  • Finds optimism in his campaign’s cross-partisan support.

“We need to have people being willing to put themselves out there... with someone grounded in rational thought and the idea that public service is a public trust.”
—Bail Dalton [21:08]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You don’t want that point to be when a judge tells you you’re a danger to a woman.” —Bail Dalton [13:49]
• “We’ve led ourselves into a war with no discernible end...” —Bail Dalton [05:30]
• “Our system is not for politicians to pick their districts. Our system is for people to vote who they think will best represent their area.” —Bail Dalton [11:42]
• “People are unable to even think aspirationally anymore, which is what our country was founded on.” —Bail Dalton [16:14]
• “I'm tired of being told I have to hate my neighbor.” —Bail Dalton [19:17]

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Key Timestamps

• [01:17] — Dalton introduces himself, background in military and NASA
• [04:35] — Dalton on U.S. military direction and strategy
• [07:29] — Dalton discusses role models in public service, views on congressional accountability
• [10:16] — Geography and demographics of FL-7
• [12:27] — Dalton addresses district’s redistricting and systemic political manipulation
• [13:17] — Summary of allegations and conflicts against Corey Mills
• [15:46] — On-the-ground issues: cost of living, health care, small business
• [17:53] — Why Democrats lost in Florida; how to right the ship
• [20:53] — Hope for a shift in political climate, call for rational public service

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Conclusion

This episode offers a deep dive into the challenges and potential for Democrats in Florida’s changing landscape, centered through Dalton’s career of public service and indictment of both Republicans’ and Democrats’ failures in the state. The tone is urgent but hopeful, arguing that voters will respond to a focus on local integrity, accountability, and basic service over divisiveness. The discussion is candid, combining policy substance, personal stories, and sharp critique of Dalton’s opponent.

Transcript

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[Tim Miller]

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Bulwark. I'm Tim Miller, delighted to welcome a Democrat running for Congress in Florida against Corey Mills. He's also a Navy veteran and former NASA chief of staff. It's Bale Dalton. What's up, bro?

[Bail Dalton]

Hey, Tim, how's it going? Thanks for having me on.

[Tim Miller]

It's going well. We had, I guess, a couple of weeks ago, Roger Sullenberger on to talk about all of the various crimes and misdemeanors and offenses, defenses and bigotries of Corey Mills. So we've covered that a little bit. That's where to get to that. But I wanted to have you on in part because this district really encapsulates something that I've been talking a lot about, which is I think the Democrats have big opportunity to win in places that haven't traditionally been targeted. You know, Corey won this district by 13 points. It's not a traditional swing district, but because of the year, because of how bad Trump's screwing things up, because of the bad candidate on the other side in particular. I think this is the type of race that needs more attention. So before we get to like the Corey drama, I just want people to hear a little bit about you and give us your little kind of, you know, I don't know, first date pitch in Canada, say.

[Bail Dalton]

Absolutely. Well, yeah, as you, as you noted, I've been now in the Navy and Navy reserve for over 23 years. It'll be my 24th anniversary here in about a month in May. Helicopter pilot supporting special operations throughout Iraq, Afghanistan as a. On the ground with the SEAL teams, as a forward air controller, and then commanded a helicopter squadron supporting special operations in the Horn of Africa and throughout the Pacific. So those, those have been some really good adventures. Some good, some bads there, but really the honor of a life to, to. To take care of, you know, 450 of my opinion, the best sailors in the Navy. I did some work for Florida's former Senator Bill Nelson, doing national defense foreign policy work for him, and of course, near and dear to my heart, veteran services, making sure our veterans are getting the benefits that they earned and the care that they need in their own transition. And then, yeah, even, even, maybe more exciting, I got the chance to help lead NASA as Deputy Chief of Staff and Chief of Staff, 14 centers across America, over 16,000 researchers, scientists, engineers and astronauts. You know, showing the world what America can accomplish every day when we actually work together. So it's been a life of public service that has been quite rewarding and many times quite frustrating. You know, now I'm running for Congress here in my home district in central Florida because, as you mentioned, we have a representative right now who seems quite uninterested, maybe because he can't be, because he's so distracted with what's going on with himself, but is uninterested in, you know, serving the needs of Central Floridians, and they deserve somebody better up in Congress, and we're going to give them that option.

[Tim Miller]

So given that military history, I'm wondering what you make of what's happening right now. And I guess we don't really know what to call it. We're working on things. A listener nominated decrease fire, which is what we're in now. We're not really in a war and we're not in a ceasefire, but we might be in a decrease fire. Trump said today that we're still. I think the plan is we're just gonna blockade the Strait of Hormuz for a while longer. So we need to close the strait to get it. And I'm just wondering, like, what you made of, you know, this war, of how the Defense Department, the Department of War, has handled it. Kind of. Any other thoughts on the foreign policy side of things?

[Bail Dalton]

There is a part of yourself that has to remove yourself a bit to just see how ridiculous this is, because the real emotion that I have is just one of just absolute fury, you know, that we have service members, I mean, people I know, people I served with that are in harm's way for an operation that seems to have no strategic direction from the top whatsoever. I've been getting about a million texts today about the Armed Services Committee hearing. I've been on the phones talking to voters, trying to address their actual needs. So I haven't seen a lot of it. But considering the volume of texts I have, I probably need to go back and watch some. But you know, look, you know, as a veteran and as a student of military history, you know, we're told that, you know, war is an extension of politics by other means, but in order for that to be successful, you have to have like a real strategic end state. And, and you know, I, I don't see us having that. And it certainly hasn't been presented to the American people or their representatives in Congress. So, you know, once again, we've, we've led ourselves into, you know, a war with no discernible end and put our service members in harm's way and left their families with questions about are they truly being taken care of or not.

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[Tim Miller]

How do you see yourself and where you would fit in the Democratic Congress? Like, is there somebody you think is doing a good job? You know, there's a lot of pretty negative feelings about people on the Hill these days. Yeah. Are there one or two examples of somebody thinks doing well?

[Bail Dalton]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, the overall negative view is warranted, Right. We've just seen, certainly in my lifetime, a greater percentage of people who seem to be, you know, addicted to power or addicted to being on TV or addicted to have this information that we now see them trading on for monetary value. And that's not what the American people need. But yeah, I think there are some. I mean, first of all, working for Senator Nelson, I think I worked for one of the consummate public servants, you know, used to tell us public service is a public trust. And the main thing that we were focused on, no matter what part of the staff we were, was constituent services and making sure that the people who are represented are actually getting somebody that cares about them and cares about trying to solve their problem. So certainly grew up with that as, you know, part of my ilk and part of my value structure. And, you know, look, I think we see some veterans who happen to be in Congress right now who are trying to, you know, hold our government as a whole accountable for these decisions we're making and where we're, you know, exhibiting our values in terms of where we're putting our money and where we're putting our, you know, service members in harm's way or not. So I think we're seeing a lot of good leadership from, you know, folks like Jason Crow and Pat Brian and Chris d'. Aluzio. You know, I'm sort of the same vintage with some of the same experiences.

[Tim Miller]

I'm ozdementalist right now. You can't see this. I wrote down what I was like, who's he gonna say? I wrote down Pat Ryan. That's what I wrote down. Okay. I knew it. I felt it coming.

[Bail Dalton]

Well, look, I think those guys have done a good job of using their prior service and their experiences and trying to hold, you know, accountable folks that too often speak flippantly about where we are spending this huge amount of our taxpayer money and treasure and more importantly, where we're putting our service members lives at risk. I mean, absolutely, the goal of the federal government is to provide for our national defense, but we have to be doing so in a much more responsible way. And it's way too expensive monetarily and it's way too expensive with the lives of our service people to be going it alone.

[Tim Miller]

I think that that's right. I don't know if I want to compare myself to Oz the mentalist, because I do think it was kind of a big, big miss for him to not be able to predict little bit of this for us.

[Bail Dalton]

You know, you got to give it to him, though, because he came straight out and admitted it. And, you know, in today's day and age, when somebody is able to admit a weakness or admit, you know, missing something, that's a pretty rare thing in

[Tim Miller]

Washington D.C. accountability is important. Yeah, we'll get your point. Let's just talk about the district really quick so people can get their head. I said Daytona, but like, where is it? It's going like along the beach there. Does it make it over to Orlando? Like, what does the district look like?

[Bail Dalton]

Yeah, it's just slightly northeast of sort of the bottom southwest corner is just northeast of Orlando. We've got the i4 corridor, Maitland, Altamont Springs, Sanford, Debary. And then if you just take that sort of line up i4 where it goes north, south and take it all the way to the east coast. We're in Port Orange, which is just south of Daytona, down to New Smyrna. And this is a district that's filled with health, service, industry, aerospace workers. We've got incredible partnerships with the federal government and the Department of Defense and NASA, with folks out of our Embry Riddle and ucf, which is just to the south of this district. And also this district has been represented by both Republicans and Democrats before. Of course, Florida, it changes its lines quite often, which happens to be in the news today as well. Florida 7, where I'm. Where I'm running, has not. Would not be affected.

[Tim Miller]

No change at all.

[Bail Dalton]

Yeah, what we're seeing right now that is being debated is there's, you know, it's an R&5 district. We'll stay in our +5 district. It doesn't look like the borders are changed, you know, but on that point, not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but. And so just another crazy thing that we have, you know, representatives, whether they're in the state House in Tallahassee or in Washington D.C. think that they are able to just completely flaunt the will of the people. I mean, Floridians have spoken on this in 2010 with an amendment, voter approved amendment to our state constitution that said that redistricting can't be done in the way that they are doing it. And, you know, I think they're seeing in Tallahassee right now, again, a bunch of texts coming in from the crowds in Tallahassee that are telling people, Republican or Democrat, like, look, our system is not for politicians to pick their districts. Our system is for people to vote who they think will best represent their area. And, you know, this, this what's going on in Tallahassee has been going on for almost 20 years now in terms of, you know, people, our elected representatives, just not holding themselves accountable to the will of the people. And that's something that's got to change.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I don't know. I looked at that map and I'm not, you know, I don't. I know enough to be dangerous about Florida politics, you know, and they probably end up still picking up a seat or two. But I think that there's some backfire potential in there. Like a couple of those seats that, you know, Republicans won by 16, 17, 18. Now they move the district down to 8, 9, 10, and, you know, depending on how bad things get with the economy, with the war, people being upset about exactly the type of thing you're talking about, I think they might be putting a couple of their folks at risk. So let's talk about Corey Mills in particular. You said you were focused on constituent services. I assume he's not doing well on that count. Unless you're counting on kind of like cyber stalking people in the District or if there are any arms dealers in the District, he's probably treating them pretty well. But give us some of the hits on your opponent.

[Bail Dalton]

Well, I mean, he's certainly putting the judicial system to work in terms of. As a federal judge had to issue a restraining order against them on behalf of a woman here in Florida who he was, as you said, cyber stalking, blackmailing, attempting revenge porn against. I mean, it's just crazy. I mean, this. This woman had to tell Corey Mills over 11 times to stop contacting her, and he refused to listen. You know, at. At some point, you got to give it up. And you don't want that point to be when a judge tells you you're a danger to a woman. And then, you know, was in the news last week, I think, again, this domestic violence dispute up in Washington, D.C. on behalf of another woman, also not his wife there in his, you know, twenty thousand dollar a month penthouse, which he didn't pay rent on for a while either. So, I mean, this, this guy's just Got a host of things and you know, that's just one silo of of his problems, how he treats people, specifically women. You know, he's a foreign arms dealer that has refused to disclose what countries he sells weapons to. While sitting on the High Armed Services Committee and overseeing, in fact, in one of the subcommittees, he's on, you know, these export licenses for weapons. So it's an incredible conflict of interest that Congress has allowed to go on since 2024. I mean, he, he likes to say he's only been under investigation and that he referred himself a couple months ago in November. These, these and that this investigation has been going on since 2024. And you know, we've also seen that. I mean, I guess, you know, when somebody tells you who they are, you know, believe them. He's also telling stories that have, about his military service that have been refuted by people who have actually served with them. And so, you know, whether that constitutes stolen valor by law or not, that's up for the judiciary to decide. But certainly as a veteran, I'm not interested in having anybody near. You know, my people are making decisions on their behalf that can't get their own story straight about their own military time.

[Tim Miller]

Is there anything else out there? You're watching, you're out among the people. Sometimes I feel I've got a great job, but I do feel a little bit like we have to go do our live events and you know, I've got to go to Jazz Fest and you know, I've got to go, you know, talk to the guys at the bars that I frequent. I gotta go to Ms. Mays to hear what's happening out there because I'm in my fucking hole all the time.

[Bail Dalton]

I love that Tim said he had to go to Jazz Fest as have

[Tim Miller]

to go just to hear what's happening out there among

[Bail Dalton]

in the, in the Gulf coast there. But yeah, you know, the best part of, of you know, this adventure is getting out and talking. You know, look, this is, this is, I'm from this district, I'm from Central Florida. I grew up here talking to friends and families and neighbors who are, who are fed up and you know, we've focus mostly on the corruption and grift that they're experiencing and their representatives in Tallahassee and Washington D.C. and that's a big part of it. But also, you know, talking to folks who are like, look, I don't have time to care about that stuff because this cost of living crisis that I'm in takes up all of my Time, you know, people are unable to even think aspirationally anymore, which is what our country was founded on. Right? Create a better life for your kids and for those that are coming behind you. You know, folks are heads down every day making crisis decisions at the kitchen table about, you know, how they're going to put food on the table. I mean, small business owners that are getting squeezed on both sides, right, by this chaotic tariff implementation where their cost of goods is going up, they've got to raise their prices, they lose customers, they can't keep employees on. Employees are, you know, dependent on a job for, for healthcare. And, you know, that ACA subsidies expiring as a crisis of Congress's own make and leaving, you know, tens of thousands, and, you know, over 45,000 people in this district alone without health care at all. And over 100,000 people will see their premiums, have already seen their premiums go up two, three and four times. So, you know, if you're paying $2,500 for your family of four to try to take care of your health, you know, now you're looking at 5,000, $6,000. I mean, people cannot do that right now, and they certainly can't do that with a future that they see as only getting worse. You know, we were promised an economy that would be getting better. It's getting worse. We were promised the government that would be working more efficiently. It's getting worse. So people are, people are fed up, and I'm right there with them.

[Tim Miller]

All right, last thing, Democrats have lost a bunch of ground in Florida, and I do think sometimes there's a, you know, sense of, you know, blaming other forces out there. Right? Like, it's not actually the Democratic, the Democrats campaign or their platform and their policy problems. It's the voters are dumb or there was cheating, you know, whatever. There's always a lot of excuse making. Like, the reality is Florida was a real swing state not that long ago, and Ron DeSantis barely won against Andrew Gillum in 2018. Like, you know, we're all enough to remember that. And so when you look at just how ugly it's got between 2018 and 2024 for the Democrats in Florida, like, how do you assess why that was and like, what the party can do to right the ship.

[Bail Dalton]

Yeah, I think ugly is the right word. I mean, there's just so much ugliness now. And what I referenced before is once people are getting in power, it seems like the only thing they care about is staying in power. They don't care about creating good policy. They don't care about, you know, serving the people of which they represent. They only care about staying in their seat. And I think that has just, you know, that that's been a negative momentum, right? A snowball effect which has just created a real ugliness issue. You know, when you call everything a war, then people become war yours. And in order to have a war, you have to have an enemy. So we've had communities in Florida just pit against each other by this divisiveness that's been thrust upon them by bad actors and our elected representatives. And so, you know, the other thing that happens when I talk to people, they're like, look, I'm tired of being tired of being told I have to hate my neighbor. Right. I grew up in central Florida when it was the purplest of purple. Right. I think my right door and left door, next door neighbors were both registered Republicans. They are both supporting my campaign, by the way, because they are interested in somebody that is going to shoe some of this partisan politics and actually, you know, do what's right for the people. And so, yeah, I think where we are in Florida today is we've watched, you know, things sort of happen surreptitiously over time, sort of that, you know, drip, drip, drip, you know, torture of politics. And I think people are now awakened to the fact that, you know, they're really, their rights and their representation have been taken away from them slowly over time. And I think we're going to see a big groundswell against that again, Republican, Democrat, Independent, you know, government is not working for them, and they're being tired of being told they have to hate their neighbor because the communities and neighborhoods are where we live, as you reference, like, you know, that is no way to live in a place where you're either, you know, scared to go outside because of policies or scared to go outside because, you know, your neighborhood has become, you know, such a visceral, you know, hatred. And so people are tired of that.

[Tim Miller]

Well, I hope you're right. I'm a little skeptical. I think maybe some people like, like spewing hate. You know, some people like the hate fire.

[Bail Dalton]

But there are definitely, definitely a lot of keyboard warriors out there, as you well know. And I think one of these things is we need to have, you know, people being willing to put themselves out there and, you know, hear the hard questions and respond to them in ways that they, you know, may not agree with right at that moment, but at least they're having a conversation with somebody who's grounded in rational thought and is grounded in the idea that, you know, public service is a public trust and they just don't have that right now. And, you know, we're finding lots of support from folks of all stripes. And so, you know, I think that is indicative of, you know, maybe some positive momentum in the other direction.

[Tim Miller]

All right, he's Bail Dalton. He's running in Florida 7. Bail dalton.com if you want to, you know, get the texts or whatever.

[Bail Dalton]

Yeah, yeah, check us out. There's even an area where you can sign up to get news where you don't necessarily have to to get texts and emails. But yeah, bail Dalton.com check us out. We're running a campaign laser focused on Florida 7 and giving the people there again, my, my friends, families and neighbors what they need.

[Tim Miller]

All right, appreciate you, brother. Thanks for coming on the bulk. We'll talk to you soon. Keep us posted.

[Bail Dalton]

All right, Sam, thanks for having me. We'll stay in touch.

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