Tim and Will Torture Sam With Candace Owens’ Moronic “Documentary”

Summary

Bulwark Takes: "Tim and Will Torture Sam With Candace Owens’ Moronic 'Documentary'"

Podcast: Bulwark Takes
Hosts: Tim Miller, Will Sommer, Sam Stein
Release Date: February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tim Miller, Will Sommer, and Sam Stein dissect Candace Owens’ latest foray into culture-war conspiracy with the first installment of her documentary “Bride of Charlie,” which speculates wildly about Erika Kirk’s (wife of Charlie Kirk) involvement in her husband’s murder. The trio also opens with a look at the right-wing “investigative” genre à la Nick Shirley and his imitators, before diving headfirst into the conspiracy-laden, and overtly antisemitic, narrative spun by Owens. The show explores both the absurdity and the danger of these right-wing media tactics, unpacking each “theory” with skepticism and biting humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Right-Wing Antisemitic “Investigations” (Nick Shirley & Tyler Oliviera):

• [02:18–04:45]
  • The conversation starts with a profile of Tyler Oliviera, a Nick Shirley-esque internet figure who targets immigrant and Jewish communities with sensationalist “exposes.”
  • Will describes Oliviera:
    “He rose to fame, such as it was in 2024. He was a big Haitians are eating the dogs guy.” — Will Sommer [02:48]
  • The team mocks the “investigation” into “Jewish enclaves” in New Jersey, noting the long-established presence of Hasidic communities and GOP entanglement.
  • Notable Insight:
    “The great insight Jewish people had after World War II in America was that any kind of like bigoted movement will ultimately end up going after Jews as well.” — Will Sommer [04:54]

Quotes Highlighting Absurdity & Hypocrisy

• “Do they not know the Hasids are the Trump supporters here?” — Sam Stein [04:19]
• They observe the cyclical nature of antisemitism, regardless of political alliances.

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2. Candace Owens' “Bride of Charlie” and the Anatomy of Conspiratorial ‘Documentary’ Logic

• [07:00–35:05]
  (Main section of episode: thorough chronological analysis of Candace Owens’ documentary.)

Documentary Breakdown & Satirical Commentary

A. “Grieving Widow” Conspiracy (Vaccine, Zionists, and Victim-Blaming)

• Candace Owens draws parallels between media sympathy for a grieving widow and COVID vaccine skepticism, immediately veering into antisemitic tropes.
• Sam quickly calls out the subtext:
  “This is the Tucker Carlson school of, you know, provocateurness. Right? It's like we're just asking questions, folks. What's so wrong about asking questions? If you don't ask questions, you're, you know, your mind is controlled by the Jews.” — Sam Stein [09:40]
• Notable Moment: Tim notes the distinction between tasteless jokes and baseless murder accusations, emphasizing the Recklessly broad leap Owens makes [10:04–11:05].

B. Family Tree Obsessions, Birth Certificate Discrepancy & Freemasons

• Owens focuses on discrepancies in Erika Kirk’s birth date and alleged Masonic ancestry.
• “What happened between November 20th and November 22nd, 1988? That is what we need to find out — when the Jews implant the brain chip that programs you to kill your husband.” — Tim Miller & Sam Stein [13:47–14:00]
• Will points out Owens’ recycled tactics from prior conspiracy attacks.

C. Marblehead/‘Marblehood’ Marriage Certificate – “Laying the Groundwork”

• Owens strains credulity by connecting Erika’s parents' lack of marriage certification to military history (Marines).
• The hosts mock the tenuous link between random municipal trivia and deep-state plotting.

D. Great-Grandmother the ‘Numbers Runner’ & Heritage Conspiracies

• Owens’ focus shifts to Erika’s great-grandmother’s minor criminal record and vague links to Middle Eastern ancestry.
• Sam: “So what’s the point of any of this? She says gambling will play a big role... Are the Marines hitting the slots?” — [18:42]
• The cast notes the simultaneous innuendoes about Jewish and Syrian ties as mutually contradictory in the conspiracy logic.

E. Identity Politics and Ethnic Blame

• Extended riff on whether people “identify” with all aspects of their ethnic background, lampooning the premise that identity equals intent or guilt.
• “I'm already guilty of the murder because I am Jewish.” — Sam Stein [21:13] (delivered deadpan for comedic effect)

F. The Jewish Studies ‘Revelation’ & Further Antisemitism

• Owens claims a connection between Erika’s family’s involvement in a Jewish Studies center and suspicious, possibly criminal, intent.
• Sam’s patience wears thin: “Let me not be cheeky for a second: Fuck you. Honestly, it’s so obnoxious. It’s anti Semitic. It’s awful. I mean, she's doing irreparable harm. She's causing real endangerment of Jewish people across the country. Fuck you.” — Sam Stein [28:26]
• Discussion of how Candace simply calls out “Jewishness” as incriminating, with no logical connection to the crime.

G. Text Chains, Fake Evidence, and Prosecutorial Absurdity

• “If you ever wanted to throw a case and get it thrown out instantaneously...fabricating text messages would probably do the trick.” — Sam Stein [30:23]
• Tim and Will point out the paper-thin premise for claiming the text record is fake, despite both sender and recipient being alive.

H. Masons, Bees, and Charter School Connections

• The “bee cult” motif: Owens latches onto Utah’s beehive symbolism, insinuating secret societies are involved based on a childhood costume photo.
• “She’s dressed as a bee... Candace has previously suggested that some sort of bee-related cult killed Charlie because Mormons are really into bee symbology.” — Will Sommer [32:42]
• “Bush and Walton family” conspiracy is tacked on when preschool funding is traced back to these benefactors—an everyman’s Boogeyman bingo.

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3. Meta-Analysis: The Social Media Clip Ecosystem

• Will suggests Owens’ documentary is structured for maximally viral TikTok clips—with each “revelation” crafted to sound isolated and ominous when excerpted [21:43–22:17].

Media Literacy Insight:

• Tim: “She knows that a lot of people hate Erica Kirk...if I put up a lot of clips, like trashing her, then people are going to engage with that because she's an easy target.” [22:17]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “There are Jews in New Jersey, Sam. There are Jews in New Jersey.” — Tim Miller [03:23]
• “The anti Semites are inside the leadership of the Republican Party. They're inside the house.” — Tim Miller [05:01]
• “She's really started to lump all of her critics in as, like, the Zionist...suggesting that this is all kind of like the Israeli state was...” — Will Sommer [09:32]
• “Fuck you. Honestly, it’s so obnoxious. It’s anti Semitic. It’s awful.” — Sam Stein [28:26] (Serious moment of calling out the harm in Owens’ rhetoric)
• “Possibly a bee cult. Possibly the Freemasons. Most likely the Jews, most likely the Center for Jerusalem Studies. Can’t rule out the Walmart family and the Bushes...” — Tim Miller [33:30]

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Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp (MM:SS) | Segment Description | |--------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:18–06:44 | Nick Shirley, Tyler Oliviera, and right-wing petty ‘investigative’ tropes | | 07:00–11:05 | Candace Owens’ documentary: Premise, “Grieving Widow,” setup for conspiracy | | 11:05–15:57 | Birth certificates, family tree, and military/Freemason “connections” | | 17:15–19:51 | Great-grandmother’s “criminal past” and ethnic innuendos | | 21:13–22:17 | Social identity riffs—satirical discussion of ancestry as conspiracy evidence | | 23:22–28:26 | Jewish Studies “smoking gun” and direct confrontation with antisemitism | | 29:22–30:55 | Debunking fake evidence claims: text messages, criminal justice basics | | 31:05–33:53 | “Bee cult,” Freemasons, Bushes & Waltons—preschool-age absurdities | | 35:05–36:05 | Wrap-up and the Washington Post’s credulity toward this “docuseries” |

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Style & Tone

Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain a sardonic, satirical tone while discussing the most outlandish “revelations” in Owens’ documentary. Sam plays the exasperated straight man; Tim and Will alternate between withering mockery and attempts at earnest media literacy.

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Summary of Takeaways

• Owens’ “documentary” is a gish gallop of innuendo, discredited tropes, and outright antisemitism, pieced together to maximize internet outrage rather than authenticate any real narrative.
• Each “revelation” relies on deeply familiar conspiracy formats (Freemason paranoia, Jewish cabal smears, ethnic-genealogical guilt), making it both dangerous and depressingly cliché.
• The ease with which such content spreads—levying decades-old stereotypes as “evidence”—is both a farce and a threat, as the hosts repeatedly highlight.
• Ultimately, the episode balances humor and outrage, calling listeners to apply skepticism and recognize the real dangers posed by this style of right-wing agitprop.

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“Here’s what we know. Nothing.”
— Tim Miller, summarizing the utter emptiness of Owens’ argument [34:08]

Transcript

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[Tim Miller]

Hey everybody, it's Tim Miller from the Bulwark here with the other potato boys, Will Sommer and Sam Stein. We're working on merch. Okay, I've requested Woke Bill, Crystal Merch, Potredo Trio Merch, and Capitalist Wing of Antifa Merch.

[Sam Stein]

Okay, I'm good with two of three

[Tim Miller]

on all that, but that's all.

[Sam Stein]

Okay.

[Tim Miller]

It's going to be a while. It's going to be a minute. We've got two topics to get to today. One is the latest investigation from Nick Shirley and his imitators in the investigative space, investigative journalism space in the MAGA media. And then obviously we have the first installment of Bride of Charlie by Candace Owens, something I've been just waiting to watch. But we're doing it cold. The producer has pulled together clips and I want to.

[Sam Stein]

You're doing it cold?

[Will Sommer]

Yes, I've watched it.

[Tim Miller]

I will is professional. Me and Sam are coming in cold. I wanted to watch it so badly last night, but for the content I decided we'll do it fresh. So we'll get to that next. But really quick, Nick Shirley. I want to put this. We'll just show a little clip here. This is a guy named Tyler Oliviera. Do you know anything about him? Will. Tyler Olivier?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, Tyler Oliviera. As you said, he's kind of a Nick Shirley type. He goes around to communities, often immigrant or kind of marginalized communities.

[Sam Stein]

He's.

[Will Sommer]

He rose to fame, such as it was in 2024. He was a big Haitians are eating the dogs guy.

[Tim Miller]

Ah, got it. Okay, well, Mr. Haitians are eating the dogs man has gone to New Jersey and he's discovered something in New Jersey that is very alarming. And Nick Shirley replied to him when he posted on this that he concurs. It's alarming. All caps. Nick Shirley writes expose it all. What is Tyler going to expose? Let's watch.

[Will Sommer]

Turning a once quiet town into a

[Tim Miller]

densely populated over trafficked Jewish enclave.

[Will Sommer]

Prioritizing Jews over non Jews.

[Tim Miller]

There are Jews in New Jersey, Sam. There are Jews in New Jersey.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, boy. Wait, hold on. Jews in the Tri State area? Oh, no, no.

[Tim Miller]

I went to Jew.

[Sam Stein]

Who could have known that?

[Tim Miller]

I'd like to call Tyler, let her know I went to George Washington University, otherwise known as New Jersey U. Okay. We're the unofficial state school for rich New Jersey kids. And they were all Jews. I was the only gentile at the school, basically.

[Sam Stein]

Congrats.

[Tim Miller]

So I'm just saying, I think that this is. It's not an investigation, I guess at this point. No, like, I think that, like the idea.

[Sam Stein]

What are they exposing exactly?

[Tim Miller]

That the Jews are the Hasids. He's focused on the Hasidics. Yeah, they've got a community. This is a 73 minute. I have not watched all 73 minutes. I don't know if Will has. It's a 73 minute long documentary documentary on the Jewish invasion of New Jersey. Can you be, can you be invaded if you're already there?

[Sam Stein]

No. But also, do they not know the Hasids are the, the Trump supporters here?

[Will Sommer]

Well, this has come up, Sam. This has come up because basically the reaction to this has been this is very similar to the Nick Shirley playbook. We're going to go to this community and we're going to find out. Some of them are on public assistance folks, but in this case Republicans are like, wait a minute, this is kind of a group.

[Sam Stein]

These are our people.

[Will Sommer]

These are. Yeah, these are Hasidic Jews. And so we've seen some, you know, particularly, I mean, obviously among Jewish conservatives, but others as well are like, oh, yikes. I don't know about this one. We might. You know, I, I think the great insight Jewish people had after World War II in America was that any kind of like bigoted movement will ultimately end up going after Jews as well. And I think that's what we're here, what we're seeing here.

[Sam Stein]

Well, I'm going to tell you something. We had that in, say, prior to World War II.

[Will Sommer]

Even better.

[Sam Stein]

Usually, usually ends up with us being targeted. I'm not surprised. I will just say this. This is the guy, Nick Shirley, who J.D. van said probably deserves a Pulitzer for his work. This is also the guy who broke open the big story the other week about a UPS store housing all these voters. He forgot to pan up to see the apartment. Apartment.

[Tim Miller]

There are apartments above the UPS store.

[Sam Stein]

So I'm not sure they should have put all their eggs in this guy's basket. He seems a little bit off.

[Will Sommer]

Well, yeah, we've seen. Nick Shirley has sort of endorsed this series. He didn't make this video, but he's saying, you know, expose them all.

[Tim Miller]

I gotta tell you, Sam, the there's, I think that your people, the chosen people, should be a little worried about what's happening on the right now. There were a lot of right wing Jews during the 2024 campaign. I got into an argument with one of them on msnow, then MSNBC talking about how they felt like they couldn't support Kamala Harris because the anti Semitic protesters on the campus, you know, with their river to the sea flags. And I was like, okay, but you do realize that like the anti Semites are like inside the leadership of the Republican Party. They're inside the house. It's like the people that were on the streets protesting Israel, whatever you think about their choices and their rhetoric, they were protesting Joe Biden. And it's like this is, These are like J.D. vance's favorite people. And they're going into communities going, there are Jews here.

[Sam Stein]

It's not even that. It's like Donald Trump every now and then will just be like all these Jews around me in this room. You're good for your money.

[Will Sommer]

Love your money.

[Sam Stein]

And it's like that trope's pretty old. Try a new one. It's, it's very evident. And it's going to, we're going to talk about it in the Candace stuff. I mean, that is, that is the absolute. That's not the subtext, that's the text where she's basically like, yeah, Israel did this.

[Tim Miller]

It is indeed. Speaking of right wing antisemitism now we go to Bride of Charlie. We made you wait a couple minutes just to wait for the good stuff. Will, I guess before we go to the clips, since you've now watched it, did it meet expectations? Did it exceed any top level insights for us?

[Will Sommer]

Yeah. So I could get into this in the latest False Flag, but essentially on one hand, I think False Flag is

[Tim Miller]

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[Will Sommer]

Check it out. So on one hand, logically, I think it's kind of a flop. I think Candace has some, some new stuff, but stuff that you look at and you go, okay, but how does that prove she's an assassin or that she was involved in murdering her husband? I guess it's a bit weird, as we'll see. On the other hand, I think Candace succeeded in creating like a hype event that I think a lot of people have reacted to. I mean, it's gotten millions of views. We're recording this less than 24 hours after it dropped. And I think Turning Point and Erica are really on the back foot here.

[Tim Miller]

Well, let's go to it. I've been given just kind of a summary of each of these clips so that I can call for it. And the idea was that there were a lot of them and that I was supposed to choose which ones seem the best. And it's like choosing between one's. Children are my favorite Nuggets player. They all seem amazing. So we're going to get through as many as we can. We'll start with the one we've got titled Grieving Widow. I believe this is, you know, we're going chronologically here through the documentary.

[Narrator/Researcher]

That sentence, in my opinion, is this year's. Trust the science. She's a grieving widow. The mainstream media, of course, Zionists implied, are effectively telling you to roll up your sleeves and get the vaccine again. Dopes. Tyler Robinson did it. Erica Kirk is grieving. Please allow her to do so in the privacy of the billion dollar charity that she took over.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so nice lady. So where. So the idea here is that Erica Kirk is like the vaccine. And you know what? The vaccine didn't work. And it's also. She's also like the Jews. What's the setup here?

[Will Sommer]

If you say that Erica Kirk didn't murder her husband, you're just like Fauci saying, don't worry about the masks or put on your mask. I mean, yeah, I mean, essentially you can kind of see a logic to it. It's in that.

[Sam Stein]

Can you.

[Will Sommer]

She's. Well, she's saying, remember how people told us not to. Not to ask questions about the vaccine or whatever? Well, that's like when people say, I can't believe that you would question, you know, Erica Kirk's, you know, whether she was at a military base the day before the assassination.

[Tim Miller]

And what does this have to do with Zionism? Well, she just kind of tossed out Zionism there in the middle.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, she. She's really started to lump all of her critics in as, like, the Zionist, you know, suggesting that this is all kind of like the Israeli state was.

[Sam Stein]

She said. In this case, she was saying mainstream media, Zionist implied Jews controlling the media again, gotta get new trips. But secondarily, this is just like. This is the Tucker Carlson school of, you know, provocateurness. Right? It's like we're just asking questions, folks. What's so wrong about asking questions? If you don't ask questions, you're, you know, your mind is controlled by the Jews.

[Tim Miller]

All right, so I just want to say, because we've done this a few times, it's not my cup of tea, actually, to mock somebody whose husband got killed, but you can do that grieving widow thing. You can do that if you want to in a free country. You want to make fun of her suit pants, I'm down with that. I did some chuckling. I've listened to some people make some good jokes that made me chuckle. But it is a big jump from saying you can't make fun of a grieving widow to saying the grieving widow actually killed the husband, not the person that all the evidence who was confessed to the murder, dead. Okay? So there's a big space between that. We're gonna go through her evidence, though, because we want to be fair. Okay? Fair, balanced. We're truth seekers, so we want to see what she presents. She's seen something. A couple suspicious things about Erika and her family tree. There's a big focus on the family tree. Here they are. What is the word that she comes from A long line of. What Will do you know? Do you remember?

[Will Sommer]

Of Swedish Masons, I believe, or from Swedish Freemasons.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Okay, so she comes from a long line of Swedish Freemasons. So we go through the whole family tree. But we're going to start at the present day with Erica Kirk. And there's something fishy about the birth certificate.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Point is, we learned from this newspaper clipping that Erica was born on November 20, and she maintains that birthday today. But oddly, that would be news to her parents, Kent and Lori, for whatever reason, think that erica was born two days later, on November 22nd. We know this because of their divorce filings, which took place in 1998.

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[Sam Stein]

Well, I'm convinced she killed. She killed Charlie. That's it.

[Tim Miller]

There's a discrepancy between the birth date on the birth certificate and the divorce filings. Yes. We might need to send someone to Hawaii to find.

[Sam Stein]

Gotta get the long form. Gotta get the long form. Birth certificate.

[Will Sommer]

This is also very similar to the technique she used to argue that Brigitte Macron was trans, where she kind of throws out these like, weird discrepancies for like 40 year old newspaper articles. And you go, well, I. 30 year old, perhaps. And you go like, well, okay, but what would be. She never says what the implication is, and that's when they're covering up the three days infant Erica spent at Mossad training camp or whatever. I mean, what is the.

[Tim Miller]

What happened between November 20th and November 22nd, 1988? Okay, that is what we need to

[Sam Stein]

find out when the Jews implant the brain chip that programs you to kill your husband. Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

All right, well, that's just one item though, guys. I don't. Don't get too, you know, don't. Don't start mocking Candace yet, all right? Like this. She's building a case. It isn't just about the birth certificate. It goes back also to her parents marriage certificate. Let's take a look at that.

[Narrator/Researcher]

I should also add that I could not find a single trace of their alleged marriage in Marblehood, Massachusetts. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but I couldn't find it across any date. And Marblehead, I would like to know, is certainly an interesting town to pick because it's the recognized birthplace of the Marine Corps. We're going to keep hearing the Marines coming up throughout this entire story. We're just laying the groundwork here.

[Tim Miller]

We're just laying the groundwork. So the Erica Kirk's parents allegedly got married in Marble Hood, Massachusetts.

[Will Sommer]

Marble Head, I believe. You can tell, you can tell how closely she's scrutinizing this, that she keeps saying a different name.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. What's the actual name, Will?

[Will Sommer]

I think Marblehead, Massachusetts.

[Tim Miller]

Marblehead. Marble Hood, Marblehead. They got married there. Allegedly. No evidence of that. I don't know anything about the Kirk parents marriage. I should just say, speaking for oneself, I got married in New Orleans at the Mariney Opera House. But like I actually got the certificate in Oakland at, you know, at the courthouse. Wait, there could be many situations.

[Sam Stein]

Hold on. Are you saying you killed Charlie?

[Tim Miller]

I'm not saying that. My point is, is I'm saying there are a lot of potential explanations why the location of your mayor there might not be documented, but who knows, Maybe there's something there. What do you think about the Marine Corps tease there, Sam? Where do you think that's headed?

[Sam Stein]

My guess, and again, I'm coming in really cold here, is there's some like. It's like a double layered Manchurian child thing where it's like the Marines kind of, I don't know, got to Erica Kirk's parents to program Erica Kirk 30 years ago to kill Charlie. Is that where we're heading? I don't know.

[Will Sommer]

I will say she never quite makes it explicit in this episode, so it's hard to know. But she, she does this a lot where she's like, that's interesting. This guy who works for Turning Point, his uncle was in the military and it's like a conservative with military ties.

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[Will Sommer]

To me. But actually go.

[Tim Miller]

In this case, they don't even have military ties. Their parents just got married at a place that happens to have a connection to the Marine Corps. We live in America, like every city has a connection to some military.

[Sam Stein]

You can't deny it's conspicuous, right? I mean, there's something odd about this.

[Tim Miller]

Right.

[Will Sommer]

She says Erica was born at a hospital that like a hundred years ago started as a military hospital in the Civil War, but then it became a civilian hospital. Just like the military is always giving away hospitals. That doesn't seem likely, does it? And it's like. You mean like an old hospital was just turned into a civil. That doesn't seem that crazy. But the idea is that the hidden hand of the military is at play.

[Tim Miller]

So what we've got here so far is a two day discrepancy on the birth certificate, the parent. We cannot find a marriage certificate for the parents. But the place where the marriage was supposed to take place was also the birthplace of the Marine Corps. Also born in a hospital that was once a military hospital. Let's go back a little further into the timeline, and we're gonna skip right over the grandparents. They might not have been involved in the plot at all. We're gonna go to the great grandparents. Yes, the great grandmother.

[Narrator/Researcher]

So let's bring in the OG Loretta Abbas, Erica's great grandmother, who died in 1990, who was just constantly being arrested for running illegal slot machines. Okay. She came over from Syria and she got to work bringing filth and fraud in Pennsylvania. Check out this article from 1941 where she testifies that she ran numbers. It says Loretta Abbas of Washington, Thomas Roberts, whatever. Whatever. Testified that they engage in the numbers business and had been arrested on numerous occasions.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, man.

[Tim Miller]

The great grandmother was running illegal slots in Pennsylvania. It's just another little dart on the board. Okay. We don't. We're not. We don't have the yarn up yet. We just want to put that up on the board for everybody in case there's a question. The great grandmother, Loretta Abbas, I'm surprised she didn't. I mean, there have been some terrorist leaders with the last name Abbas. Does that come up?

[Will Sommer]

Well, it's interesting. She makes a lot of. Erika's sort of like Lebanese or. She doesn't make much of her Lebanese heritage. She talks a lot about the Swedish aspect, but it's sort of a. It's a weird thing. I will say. Supposedly the great grandfather was also a big numbers guy. He gets. He was chased by the police and all his Numbers, tickets flew away. But as you might say, you might wonder, what is the point of any of this? Right? What is the. She says gambling will play a big role in this story. So we've got the Marines. Are the Marines hitting the slots? Where's it headed?

[Tim Miller]

I just would note that again, if I was in Candace's shoes, I'd be like, whoa, I found out that her great grandmother stained up Abbas. Maybe Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority, is involved here, but the Palestinian Authority can't be involved because it's the Jews. Erica has to be on the side of the Jews, so she can't also be on the side of the Palestinians. So we're gonna.

[Sam Stein]

Unless the plot goes way deeper than you and I can possibly conceive, that's something to consider.

[Tim Miller]

Sam, let's move forward to. I guess there's one more item about her Middle Eastern heritage that we should discuss here. Let's talk about that.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Erika herself is therefore Syrian Lebanese on her mother's side and Swedish on her father's side. So something which struck me as immediately odd about Erika is just how deeply she identifies as Swedish despite her public insistence that she was raised by a quote, unquote, single mother. Think about that. Just from a social perspective, if Erica was indeed raised by a single mother, wouldn't you expect her to identify more deeply with those Lebanese Syrian roots?

[Sam Stein]

I'm thinking about it from a social perspective, and I'm lost.

[Tim Miller]

Well, one thing I am learning is I didn't know me and Erica had this in common as a friend, fellow person with Syrian Lebanese ancestry. And so maybe that's why some of the commenters are mad that I've not been meaner to Erica Kirk. Maybe I subconsciously knew she was one of my people. I will say, as someone, again, I'm always trying to bring this down to the personal. So is that weird? Is that strange? I'm not sure, to be honest. I have a grandparent that has Irish genealogy, and I don't like Irish bars. I mentioned from time to time that I'm Syrian Lebanese, but I don't really identify with the Irish part of my ancestry because I think that St. Patrick's Day is heterosexual gay pride, and I don't enjoy going to an Irish bar and I don't like cabbage. Is that suspicious?

[Sam Stein]

I do. This is the second time on this podcast that you've implicated yourself in Charlie Kirk's murder. First is that you did not have your proper marriage place of record. And wow, you have Syrian Lebanese heritage.

[Tim Miller]

Sam, do you Identify equally with all. Is it just. Are you just Jewish or do you have any. Do you have anything else in the. In the ancestry? Is there anything that you. That you.

[Sam Stein]

Tim, I'm already guilty of the murder because I am Jewish. So you don't.

[Tim Miller]

What about Will? Do you equally identify with all elements of your genealogy?

[Will Sommer]

No. No, I don't. I feel more, you know, more the Scandinavian side than the German side. I guess it's all the same. Right? But.

[Sam Stein]

Okay, let's keep going.

[Tim Miller]

We've got a little bit more on the mother.

[Sam Stein]

Can I just pause for a second?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Sam Stein]

Is this really it? Like, I haven't seen.

[Tim Miller]

Is this really it?

[Will Sommer]

No, honestly, Sam, it is.

[Tim Miller]

It is.

[Will Sommer]

That's what's so crazy. Like, we're going to get a little more. Like, there's a couple angles and. Actually, this is a good point. Can I say I had an insight with some of our Bulwark colleagues. You might be watching this. You're like, wait, where is this all headed? Like, what is this? This, I believe, is structured this way to be clipped for things like TikTok for short form video. Because if you just clip it as, like, like one minute, like, what's up with the discrepancy in the divorce filings versus the birth certificate? And you throw that out, people might go, oh, my gosh, that's crazy. But then when you watch the whole video, you're like, why is it all over the place like this? And it doesn't add up to anything. I think that explains it.

[Tim Miller]

TikTok clipping. Yeah. I'll also say this. I think that Candace knows that Candace is savvy about one thing, which is audience development. And so I want to offer a cautionary tale to potentially some of our listeners. She knows that a lot of people hate Erica Kirk. She does. And there are a lot of people that hate Eric Kirk, and some of them are far right magas. Some of them are part of that internal feud between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson. Some of them just are lefties. Some of them are just regular people that aren't really ideological. They just. For whatever reason, Erica Kirk just. She doesn't have a very appealing affect, I think we can just say. And so I think that a lot of this is just like, if I put up a lot of clips, like trashing her, then people are going to engage with that because she's an easy target. I think there's a lot of that happening. Okay, but here we go. There's more. I don't want to understate it to just that because she is also not just gaining audience, she is trying to prove a true crime case that Erica Kirk assassinated her husband and her mother might be part of that. Let's hear more about Erica's mother, Carla.

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[Narrator/Researcher]

Jack Solomon eventually marries carla Fronsvay in 2002. And there are also some other really interesting facts about Jack.

[Tim Miller]

Jack, this is interesting.

[Narrator/Researcher]

And Erica's aunt, Mommy Aunt, I don't know. Carla live in Utah. He graduated from what is today known as Utah Valley University. He's very involved in the university. It was formerly known as Utah Valley State College. When he graduated from there, he also created on their campus the center for Jewish Studies. I mean, at the very least, you'd think with all of the money that he poured into that university, he might be able to call someone to get us more footage of Tyler Robinson.

[Tim Miller]

Are you compelled yet, Samuel? Her father created the Jewish Studies center at the university. You have to admit that is eyebrow raising.

[Sam Stein]

My eyebrows are raised.

[Will Sommer]

Anytime anyone has a connection with Jews, Candace will mention it and she'll kind of just say she's like, by the way, that person. A lot of Jewish people there. Makes you wonder.

[Tim Miller]

You don't find it interesting that her aunt the. That she has relatives that went to the university where Charlie was killed? You don't find that interesting?

[Sam Stein]

I don't, but they might have a map.

[Tim Miller]

They probably have the map of the tunnels. Do you think? You think he has the map of the tunnel?

[Sam Stein]

You would think, yeah. All that money he gave to the university, couldn't he pull some strings? I mean, it's getting close to being like, you know, Erica was spotted eating a bagel with lox that morning. Like, doesn't that raise questions about Jews? I mean, that's like where we're at basically.

[Will Sommer]

Just to clarify here, because it is a little confusing. Carla. Carla is. Yeah, Carla is. Is the. Is the aunt.

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[Will Sommer]

And so there's a lot of like, I think she's raising quite. She's basically suggesting that Erica is Jewish is sort of where this is headed.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, so Jack. So Jack isn't the father, it's the uncle. It's the. It's the aunt's husband.

[Will Sommer]

Yes, I think that's right. It's the uncle.

[Tim Miller]

I apologize. We regret the air facts.

[Sam Stein]

Well, no, it's not your fault because she called her a mommy Aunt.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, Erica's mommy, aunt's husband, which on our planet we call uncle uncle, but that uncle seems a little uncle.

[Sam Stein]

Jewish studies over here.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, the Jewish in law uncle doesn't seem quite as ominous as husband of Mamiyant who created the center there. And he doesn't have any inns anymore. I don't know. It's a coincidence. You have to note it. It is a coincidence. You would think that Erica would have a pretty good sense of the lay of the land there at the university if she wanted to plot out some kind of scheme. This is just going to be a compilation of other times that she mentioned your people, Samuel.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Let's listen to speaking about psychology, a social science that was created to be very clear by German mystical Jews. Right? They believed in mystical Judaism. They were practicing the occult. Jack Solomon was also a professor at BYU in political science. He's the former director of the university's Jerusalem Center. He also served on the center for Jewish Studies on the board at UVU Zion's Gate. Like I said, is his dedication. By the way, tesseract the school Itself is exceedingly Jewish in terms of the administration. It was run by Jewish executive directors. The teachers are all Jewish. Why are the Jewish people naming their schools looking glad? I'm just wondering.

[Tim Miller]

Mm. I'm wondering.

[Sam Stein]

I mean, I've been very cheeky about all this stuff, so let me not be cheeky for a second. You, like? Fuck you. Honestly, it's so obnoxious. It's anti Semitic. It's awful. I mean, she's doing irreparable harm. She's causing real endangerment of Jewish people across the country. Fuck you.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, yeah, the Jews don't have anything to do with this one. Actually, Tyler Robinson, not a Jew, had the roommates that he had feelings for who had. The craziest part about all this is that, like, it fits right into her anti trans playbook. Like, she could just. She could just. Just go with the Robinson wasn't trans. And I'm not encouraging demagoguery against trans, but, like, there's an open and shut. Like, he has a motive that's related to something that she talks about all the time, which is Charlie. Like, the fact they were mad about Charlie's attacks on. On, you know, people that have different gender identities and, like, that's what happened.

[Sam Stein]

What do they say? Maybe I forgot they have some sort of explanation for this. But will you probably know, what do they say about the incredibly incriminating text messages that Tyler sent? Like, well, they think it's fake.

[Will Sommer]

They think they're fake. They say, oh, doesn't it sound a little fake to you? I mean, that's the evidence.

[Tim Miller]

It doesn't sound like a Gen Z I hear. I see people messaging me about this when they're mad that I won't go along with their conspiracies. I have Gen Z kids. They don't talk like this. I know Gen Z friends. They don't text like this. And it's like, he was a homeschool Mormon, okay? He doesn't talk like your average Gen Z kid. He was a homeschooled Mormon kid. And here's the most important thing. The recipient of the text message is alive. The sender of the text message is alive. He doesn't want to be in jail for the rest of his life, presumably. So if the texts have been fabricated, it would be very easy for the sender or the recipient of the text to be like, yo, bro, we're being like, we're being framed by the Jews. Candace has it right. We didn't send the text.

[Sam Stein]

I mean, imagine. Yes, but beyond that if you ever wanted to throw a case and get it thrown out instantaneously, if you're a prosecutor, fabricating text messages would probably do the trick.

[Will Sommer]

Right?

[Sam Stein]

Like, there's no universe where these people trying to put Tyler Robinson away for life and maybe give him the death penalty are like, you know what we need to do? We need to make up a tax exchange and then release it to the public. It's. I can't. How do people fall for this nonsense? I'm worried about humanity.

[Tim Miller]

Last one, Sam. I want to let you off the hook.

[Sam Stein]

Thank you.

[Tim Miller]

Once again. Once again, maybe I'm involved. Okay, the preschool Erica went to. Suspense.

[Will Sommer]

Let's watch.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Oddly, the filing for that daycare doesn't have a floor number. But I can show you this photo of her at daycare, lol, by the way, because I'll be addressed as a little bee and accidentally up some freemason hand signs. That's just like a nice.

[Will Sommer]

Looks adorable.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Thereafter, she moves to Arizona and she attends a school that they have virtually tried to wipe from public existence. Now, it's very difficult to explain this unless you're in the weeds, but there is another school by the same name that goes on for a little bit longer. But this particular school came to fruition when a man named John T. Goldie incorporated Educational Alternatives up in Minnesota. It was called Educational Alternatives Incorporated. Now, John T. Goalie was. Was a big guy. He had formerly helped launch Roundup, Monsanto. Just a little bit of government poisoning, you giving you a bunch of cancer. This time, though, he was. He was pioneering charter schools in America. He teamed up with the Walton family, the Bush family. Ooh, yeah. Everybody involved in this school that Erica's going to attend.

[Tim Miller]

So for preschool, Erica was doing free mason hand signs and then transferred suspiciously from one daycare to another daycare. The person that started that other preschool was funded by the charter school industry that funds every fucking charter school in the country. Like the waltz. So that's what's happening here.

[Will Sommer]

And the bushes.

[Sam Stein]

And the bushes. Don't forget them.

[Will Sommer]

I also need to point out, you know, the reason she's saying, oh, she's dressed as a bee is because Candace has previously suggested that some sort of bee related cult killed Charlie because Mormons are really into bee symbology. Beehives. And so when she looks at Utah, she sees a lot of bee stuff. And so she. So. So that's why she's saying, oh, interesting, she's dressed as a bee.

[Sam Stein]

Wait, come on, you have to tell me more about the bee stuff. What the.

[Will Sommer]

Well, Mormons do a lot of, like, beehive symbols. They're, they're into like the metaphor of a beehive. And so in Utah, there is a lot of like, beehive type stuff in, like, logos and stuff. And so when she looks at Utah, she. She goes, oh, my gosh, this organization has a B. And this one does. And so that made her think maybe some sort of bee related organization or secret society was involved in the assassination. And isn't it interesting that Eric is dressed as a bee in that picture?

[Tim Miller]

Possibly a B culture, possibly the Freemasons. Most likely the Jews, most likely the center for Jerusalem Studies. Can't rule out the Walmart family and the Bushes because she once went to a charter school that was supported by the Waltons and the Bushes. Luckily. Guys, how many more installments do we have of this will?

[Will Sommer]

We don't know. I mean, I think they're going to keep coming probably. I mean, she said she might do it all year if Ben Shapiro keeps criticizing her, so.

[Tim Miller]

I should have mentioned the Marine Corps is also involved wrapping this up.

[Sam Stein]

Syria, Syrian, Lebanese, Syrian.

[Tim Miller]

Here's what we know. Nothing. Erica was born maybe November 20, maybe November 22. After that birth, she went to a preschool dressed as a bee. One time she went to another preschool that was supported by the Walton family and the Bush family. Okay? That's what we know about her so far. Her parents, their marriage. We don't have a certificate for it, but it did happen in the same city where the Marine Corps was birthed. Grandmother. Excuse me. Don't know much about the grandmother yet. Great grandmother, illegal slots, Syrian, Lebanese. On the other side, the Swedish Freemasons. And then we have the mommy, aunts, uncle who started the Jerusalem Study center at uvu. Much more to learn. We're going to tie all those threads together, but that's what we know so far.

[Will Sommer]

No doubt there will be a payoff.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, we'll keep you posted. Final thing, I just want to put this on the screen. The Washington Post is a little, you know, it's just calling it right down the middle. Now, the newspaper formerly known as the Washington Post, they are interested in this story. They posted this post. This series promises to unearth secrets from Erica Kirk's past relevant to her stewardship of the powerful conservative nonprofit.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, come on.

[Tim Miller]

Just calling it like it is. Over the Washington Post. You know, no balls and strikes. Okay? No, we're not going to put our finger on the scale about whether Erica or Candace might be right here. They watched the first episode they learned about the bees, the Marine Corps, the Freemasons, and the Jerusalem Study center, and they're excited for the next installment. This has been the Potato Boys. That's Will Sommer. Sign up for his newsletter. That's Sam Stein. He's trying not to kill himself. I'm Tim Miller. We'll see you all soon. Subscribe to the feed with Verbocare Help

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