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Hey, it's Howie Mandel and I am inviting you to witness history as me and my Howie do It Gaming team take on Gilly the King and Wallow $267 million gaming in an epic global gaming league video game showdown. Four rounds, multiple games, one winner plus a halftime performance by multi platinum artist Travie McCoy. Watch all the action and see who wins and advances to the championship match against Neo right now@globalgamingleague.com that's globalgamingleague.com everybody
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O from the Bulwark. I was on with my girl Nicole Wallace as well as John Heilman and Angela Carasone. We covered a lot of stuff including Donald Trump losing it a little bit, little dementia check in. We talked about Kevin Hassett, his economic advisor, talking about how consumers are going to feel pain, but that's the last of their concerns with the Iran war. And let me tell you, you can just mark this down right now in March. I don't think that anybody really appreciates how bad this economy is going to get for these guys come fall. I just you saw Delta today about how they had to raise airplane prices, food prices are going up, housing prices are going up, building materials are going up, gas prices are going up. We're back in 2022. We were back in 2022 and you saw what that did to Joe Biden and the Democrats. So I think it's going to be a nightmare. But I want to before we get whole segment, talk about the elephant in the room a little bit with the state of Israel and the Iran war because we discussed a little bit on the POD and discussed a little bit on the show which is his Joe Kent resignation today. Trump put him in the head of a counterterrorism center even though Trump said he was a nice guy but kind of weak on security. Strange place to put him given that Kent resigns. He puts out a statement that has some crazy stuff about Israel's involvement in Syria and the Iraq wars, but also talks about how we're fighting this war on behalf of Israel for Israel. And like, that's basically what Marco Rubio said. It's basically what Trump has said. Like time and again they have said that Israel is a threat. That like, you know, the Marco Rubio quote about how we thought that we knew that Israel was going to attack and then Iran would attack us. And so we couldn't wait for that. I mean, they have said it. They have said it. And it just isn't just putting outside of the context of all these semantic debates. Just like obviously Israel is much more at threat from Iran than we are. They're closer. Iran's proxies are attacking Israel. Iran themselves has attacked Israel. So that is a real thing. And the state of Israel has to deal with that. And I understand the concerns, security concerns that they have. Like people that live in Israel want to feel safe. I get, I understand that. That, though is different from saying that the US Is at risk here. And so what happened here, pretty clearly based on all the reporting, is that we had intelligence that Khamenei and a lot of his top leaders were gonna be having an all hands meeting for some reason somewhere. And it was going to happen the Saturday this war started. And Israel is like, it's go time to Donald Trump. And he said, yeah, that's what, that's what happened based on everything we know. Okay? And so Joe Kent, who has played footsie with neo Nazi children, who has a history of conspiratorial thinking and comments including targeting the Jews, who in his resignation statement, you know, again, tried to like, make some claims about the way Israel and the Jewish state has manipulated us in other areas that have far less evidence and are really magical thinking, honestly, compared to this situation. So he resigns, making this argument that he doesn't want to work for this administration, having been a veteran who's seen the horrors of war, he doesn't want to be complicit in a war that he sees as like, stupid and not having a rationale and being in large part pushed by Israel. That's true. So you don't want to ever hand it to Joe Kenny. He's about to go on to Tucker Carlson. Right, I get that. Okay. But like, this is what the administration has done. Like they have put themselves, Donald Trump, supporters of this war, Bibi Netanyahu and other supporters of this war have put themselves in this situation where like a statement like that, that in the past you would have said, oh, that's, that's a conspiracy theory about the Jewish puppet masters, you know, the Jew that the Israel got us into this war, right? They have made that thing now true. Like, it's just true. And I think that was a huge mistake. It was a huge mistake. You know, and I'm stealing this from John Lovett, but he said this something. Nothing that is anti Semitic is true, and nothing that is true is anti Semitic. And what is true is, like, we're in this war because of Israel. Maybe not entirely because of Israel, and part because Donald Trump got high on his own supply after Venezuela, and part because he thinks he's a great man. And, you know, like, there are other reasons, but it's not because we were in danger. And that is what the administration is saying. Joe Kent leaves, and Carolyn Levitt says that Iran was going to attack us first. Then Donald Trump says that we might be nuked by Iran. These things are ridiculous. These things are ridiculous. So if the administration is out there offering these absurd rationalizations for this fucking stupid war that are obviously false on their face, and then you have opponents of the war from inside the administration, they're saying, you know, this is because of Israel. Like, what do you think people are going to think? Who do you think people are going to believe? Joe Kent, somebody who's like, offering a plausible explanation for his resignation based on the facts, based on what has happened. Are they going to believe him or are they going to believe the administration with their ludicrous lies? It doesn't make joking a good person. I can't get inside his heart or brain. It's not a great time. He's gone to the Tucker show, not the Bulwark show for his first interview. Or I could question him about these sorts of things, but, like, that's what's happened. And anti war people who were in the MAGA coalition, which was a significant part of the MAGA coalition, not, not as much as some people online will have you think, but, like, 10% of the coalition are people that aren't, like, particularly ideological but are hardline anti war. It would be a good thing for those people to at least see Trump clearly on this matter and see MAGA clearly and see that they got fooled. And, you know, I played that clip for Ashley Sinclair. If you missed that interview of Tim Dillon on his podcast talking about, it's hard to admit that you got got people that believed that Donald Trump was going to be anti war. Got got. They're seeing that clearly now. And some of them are still bad people with bad views. Some of them are not. Some of them were earnest people that were upset about what was happening in Gaza or Upset about Iraq or past wars, which is legitimate. And so now that's where we're at. And there are a lot of people that I think want to try to stifle that truth from coming out because it doesn't serve their purpose or their narrative. And I just, I don't think that's going to work. I just don't think it's going to work. So that's what we got right now. We've got a war that's a total shit show, doesn't have a clear rationale, people from inside the administration leaving, and a civil war inside MAGA over all that with some really, you know, as I say on the show next, with like conspiracy theorists on both sides of the argument and a big strain of bigotry and anti Semitism on both sides. And that's just the world we're living in right now. So we just gotta be truthful and be honest about how we see the world. And if I get something wrong, I'll tell you, I look at the comments, I read them. Not all of them, I get a lot of them, but I read them and I want to hear, I want to get feedback. We're all trying to learn and grow. So that's where we're at right now. Much more on that with Nicole and John and Angela. Stick around, subscribe to the feed. We don't bullshit you. What more can you ask for? We'll see you soon.
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Tragedy in all of this, Tim Miller, is that 13 men and women of the military have died, 200 have been injured, and thousands across the Middle east have died. And because Donald Trump has not seen fit to address the nation, and I'm not saying that that's a thing that makes war better. And I'm not saying that everyone believes them. And I'm not saying that what's been done in the past is what is right and this is wrong. But some of what he's experiencing that clearly agitates him. These are his words responding to his coalition. Civil war is the vacuum that is entirely of his own creation. What do you make of where this story stands today?
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Yeah, look, I think it's head spinning. It's probably head spinning for a lot of viewers, you know, kind of listening to us dissect this because it's like we basically have two factions fighting and it's one set of conspiracy theorists against another, right? Like it's essentially pro war conspiracy theorists against anti war conspiracy theorists. And at various times, each faction will occasionally touch on something accurate or true. But for the most part, you know, this is, you know, this whole fight is performative, right? It's wwe. And there's like, real life consequences that are being experienced, as you mentioned, by the folks that have died or been injured already by this war, but by everybody, the whole world. That's the craziest part about this. It is people in this country for whom prices are going up. That's true everywhere. Europe, Asia, you know, gas prices, food prices, everything is going to be more expensive now. The economy globally is going to get worse because of this war that there's no clear rationale for. And so you have Joe Kent that quits today, and, you know, as has been laid out, he's a conspiracy theorist, and he mentions in his statement that, like, you know, Israel might have been responsible for the Iraq and Syria wars, which is just. Which is not true. But with regards to this war, what he lays out in his statement is basically what the Secretary of State and the President have said at times, right? Which is that Israel took us into this war. And then you have the president responding to his resignation and his spokesperson talking about how Iran was an imminent threat to us. Trump said earlier today something about how if he hadn't done what he had done, we would have been nuked already by now. I think this is laughable and obviously ridiculous on its face. And so into that vacuum where you have the President of the United States offering nonsensical rationale for this war that's causing real harm, more conspiracy theories are going to proliferate. And so I think that is, you know, we have this sort of fog of war and fog of information right now, and there's nobody that can be trusted because you have an administration that's lying. Its most prominent opponents are people that have a history of advancing conspiracy theories. And the platforms where a lot of people are getting information are run by folks with an agenda, and there's increasingly a lot of disinformation on there. And so I think that' syou know, I think it's a confusing time for people to navigate, like, what is actually happening in this war.
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I mean, I guess my question for you is what happens now?
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Well, a lot of it's going to depend on what happens at the war. And, you know, I think that some of the negative consequences of the war at this point are inevitable. You know, it's going to take a long time for the price of goods to come back down. You know, who knows? Exactly. I don't want to pretend to be an expert on what it's going to take to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. But it seems like that's going to be a dicey prospect for a while to come, even if we are successful in that in a shorter medium, medium term. And what happens internationally and how Trump deals with all that. Does Trump go back to doing silly stuff like focusing on the arc to Trump in D.C. or does he continue to create damage and create harms on people's lives? So the reality of the world is going to matter. One political thing I think that has changed though is I felt four months ago when Angela was talking about how J.D. vance was navigating the early embers of this feud within maga, which I would call the MAGA establishment versus America first type folks, which is a lot about Israel and foreign policy. But some other issues, including Epstein. You know, J.D. vance navigated that pretty deftly. I hate to compliment J.D. vance, but like J.D. vance was the, was still the chosen person of both sides, right? Like the Trump loyalist side and the Tucker side.
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But Trump never laid his hands on him. He was like, eh, we'll see, right?
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But yes, sure, there was a we'll see. There was a we'll see. I'm just saying he's in a challenging position and for a while at least the Tucker people and the more Trump people were both JD Pro. I think that's kind of over now. Look, Tucker had a thing on his show about how the CIA came after him. Joe Kent has already said he's gonna go on Tucker's show after he resigned today. There's gonna be a, I think robust anti war, anti Israel faction on the maga. Right. And so I think that what is certain now that has changed is that there will be a full on civil war going into 2028. I'm not sure which side JD's gonna be on in, but there will be somebody challenging him from one side or the other. And I think that that's pretty clear at this point.
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Tim. Yesterday Trump was sitting next to Mike Johnson and outed a very severe health condition of a Republican member of Congress that had never been made public before, said he was near death, almost dead, would have been dead by June. You know, to John Halman's point, if Joe Biden had said any of those things, I mean the world would have stopped. We would have declared a holiday so everyone could stay home and watch Fox News. I mean, what is what explains the asymmetry in your view?
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He's out there a lot more than Joe Biden is part of it. And so I think that people like he's in everybody's face all the time. And so that gives him a little bit more control over the narrative. I think that is part of it. I think part of it is kind of one way of what John was saying. I asked Jake Tapper this question when he was on the pod a couple months ago and he was, and he said, you know, I think Trump's in a different part of the hospital from the memory ward and there's something to that. Like, even if you have critiques about the coverage, like there is something to that. But look, I think it's particularly notable on Iran. You know, I mean, you have to be on top of it when you're the commander in chief of a war. And he's given three press conferences, I think in the last two days where he's been asked about this stuff. Not exactly hard hitting questions. I mean, Peter Doocy was the main questioner in one of the press conferences and he's just all over the place. Like I was saying earlier, he was talking about how we're imminently at risk and how they might have nuked us if we didn't sign, if he didn't rip up the deal that Obama did. And in addition to the examples you guys gave, he's just very all over the map and doesn't seem to understand what the point is of the war or have the details down about what has happened. And so, I mean, I do think maybe this is a moment for people to check back in on this question given kind of the seriousness of the stakes.
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Well, Reuters, to their great credit, has checked back in with the American people on this question and here's what they said. 61% of respondents in the poll said they would describe Trump as having, quote, become erratic with age. 89% of Democrats, 30% of Republicans, 64% of independents described him this way. Just 32% of all respondents think he has not become erratic with age. Americans watch prices soar at the gas station when they pay for airline flights, pay for groceries, cost of everyday goods, which all continue to rise because of Donald Trump and lately because of the war of choice with Iran. Take a listen to what one of Trump's top economic advisers, Kevin Hassett, said to try to ease the concerns of American consumers and fail miserably while doing so.
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The fact is that the US Economy is fundamentally sound and that if it were to be extended this, it wouldn't really disrupt the US Economy very much at all. It would hurt consumers and we'd have to think about, you know, if that continued, what we would have to do about that. But that's really the last of our concerns right now because we're very confident that this thing is going ahead of schedule.
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Tim, I want to bring it. I mean, I think it's. First of all, you don't ignore it. I mean, I think this is the person making economic policy because no one, even if you love Trump to death, thinks that Trump is making economic policy. And two is not an outlier. The policies reflect this indifference to the consumers.
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Yeah, look, Kevin Hassett also gives off not exactly maga American. All right? So having him not care about people I think is pretty vivid. But look, I, sometimes I think we overrate the, the political strategist element of this. Like the economic consequences of this are going to be disastrous and they're going to be disastrous for consumers. And I think that's going to make the case pretty easy for Democrats to make in the fall.
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Hey, it's Howie Mandel and I am inviting you to witness history as me and my Howie do it gaming team take on Gilly the king and wallow. $267 million gaming in an epic global gaming league video game showdown. Four rounds, multiple games, one winner, plus a halftime performance by multi platinum artist Travy McCoy. Watch all the action and see who wins and advances to the championship match against Neo right now@globalgamingleague.com that's globalgamingleague.com everybody games.